The code often uses K&R function declarations, but then does member-by-member copying of structs just using the assignment operator. Lots of small stupid stuff like that.
Sounds like a boring manual, long, but quite achievable task. Granted not worth it for shits and giggles, but if you want to port to Linux, or any OS, your going to need to switch away from Visual Studio anyway, and this is the least of the bottlenects. Speaking of Visual Studio, assuming the build system uses nmake, and you dotn want to rewrite makes files to work with gmake or pmake, The compiler OpenWatcom has wrappers for nmake, cl.exe and link.exe that call the watcom build chain. You would have to make your own version of the link and cl wrapper that redirected to gcc of course, but its a step in the right direction.
But when you go to sourceforge and see 'Stage 1 - planning: December 2001' (and nothing put out since then) it makes me wonder whether some people are REALLY dedicated to what they do.
Well is it really that bad? First of all the majority of commercial software development projects fail. Now when people expect to make money off writing software they have to pay programmers, and that means they probally have a high committment level and some sort of reason to think the project will be successful. Making a sourceforge project takes at most 15 minutes of filling out web forms. Theirs very little invested in the project, until a large amount of manhours are put into it, so abandonment is not that big a deal. Now, if I had to pay a thousand dollars to register my sourceforge project, I would damn sure be dedicated.
Alot of thos sf.net projects are pipe dreams and "hey wouldn't it be cool if...," ideas. Now I know for myself, when I get really into coding, things like eating and taking out the trash are things I consider serious interruptions that I try to avoid. Writing up a SF project is similar. I have a project I'm owrking on now whose initial release will probally be cathedral like. Its not going to be full 1.0, but the initial SF.net upload will be working useful code. Now I have a sf.net project with no work started becasue it was just a "wouldn't it be cool if...," idea. I had no clue where to start besides googling and reading code, so I made the project before having any clue about how I was going to code the damn thing.
The point is, you can't judge open source committment by the average follow through of every project on SF.net. The cost of entry is too low.
Quite frankly, most enterprise customers will happily pay license fees anyway.
Its not about willingness to pay money. I willing paid for Mac OSX. I willingly paid for SuSE, Open BSD, FreeBSD, tightvnc, OpenWatcom, and a few others.
However, open source is about more than license costs, its about community and better products. Their are large companies out their that face unique problems. However, their not really as unique as they think they are. Because of this custom systems to deal with individual problems evolve into things like CRM, ESM, and Groupware. Eventually these solutions get scaled down to benifit smaller entities. However, smaller companies have problems bigger ones don't. And sometimes Opensource can help to solve these problems.
As far as those that are willing to pay license fees, those that don't get open source and won't give back, sell them service contracts. This is what their expecting with a license, so give them what they want.
Theo couldn't be the boss if he switched to Linux, but what OTHER reasons are there?
Uh first of all competition. You have this small group with its own politics and motives that not Linux. This means their are probaly a few thing that they can get done better becasue they want to. For example, OpenSSH. Being OpenSSH did end up filling an important need, Linux, other unices and even Windows benifitted. Theo threw a bitch fit over the license of the packet filtering software in OpenBSD and this lead to another "more free" package being created and caused te author of the original package to rethink and clarify the license. The ports collection has some great ideas of package management. Linux imporved greatly upon them with debian. OpenBSD took telnet and rsh flat out of the source tree. Others will probally follow suit.
Well perhaps you should consider archiving some of your mail, and storing those archives in mboxes. Also qmail supports mbox right-nice. However, you'll need another pop/imap solution besides courier. I think theirs a pop daemon integrated in DJBs wonderful tarball of mta goodness though.
I want mail stored as one.mbox file per folder - like God intended it to be.
I want mail stored in a maildir, one file per message - like DJB intended it to be.
How does being a right-wing nutjob influence your coding decisions?
Well mainly its probally why I believe people have a right to write closed source software. I also believe that the market will correct itself, and deal with the Balmer's and McBrides of the world. As far as the auctual writing of code, well I am a C bigot that thumps on my K&R book like its the King James. However, I'm firmly against living to the letter of any paradim, so why my code tends to be procedural when I'm not writing java, their are a few gotos and some of my C code has object oriented aspects.
When a language has to piggy back on another or come up with these weird combinations you know it is on it's way out.
With that logic every language with a.NET version is dead. First of all their are plenty of projects that hanve ane will continue to be written in C and compiled into good old unmanaged binary executables that execute without any of this newfangled bytecode. Also the whole point of.NET and the JVM is compile once, run anywhere. Java and Foo# are just languages well suited for such tasts. Programmmers always find a way to use whatever weird language, library, or methodology with whahtever new technology.
How did changing the email client change the number of spams in a given day? I dont understand the connection.
Becasue he setup Mozilla's junk mail filtering. She didnt see the span therefore it didn;t exist. Sure it was downloaded, but she never auctually saw it.
So does united artists for their POS (point of sales aka cash register). They have quite the inroads in that market. Probally will stay that way to. Lets face it, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Changing a $20 to be a 200 dollar bill is just stupid.)
Being two dollar bills were silver notes, I would say that you'd probally have better luck passing off 200 bills.
I would ask people what version of software they were running and maybe 30% knew.
I work for an ISP today. One of my duties is phone support. When I ask customers what version of Outlook their running maybe 5% of them know.
Me:Ok click on help|about. What does it say.
Alt =
I remember setting up my mouse driver, and configuring the menue to alway be their on my 8088 with my logitech mouse. Of course I turned from these sinful ways, and later learned the joys of the reveal codes command.
no no no. YOU just don't get it! Free Software is not about making better software. It's about encouraging freedom and building a better community.
But Open SOurce is about better software.
By the way, I use free software, so thanks for your hard work. I appreciate it, because it lets me play with cool toys for free. It doesn't make my life any better though, just cheaper.
You and the parent just don't get it. The point of Free Software and Open Source Software is to create better software. Its not about making more money from the software. Its not even about making less money from the software. Its just about making better, more useful software.
Open source works through innovation and support.
Their is auctually some code out their that has yet to be written that some corporation out their needs. This leads them to paying a developer real money to write it. They then go buy a car and a house and all that other stuff. At that point the closed source advocate tries to develop it into something he could sell to other corporations. The open source advocate puts up a cvs repository, makes a home page for people to download the software, and gets the community involved in maintaining the project. This means that the maintainance programmer has a reduced workload.
The second method of making money is supporting software. By support I mean charging money for anything releated to the software. Selling computers that run linux is providing support. Writing books is providing support. Selling pressed CDs is support. Also, some people auctually do buy the mythical "linux support contracts" from the likes of redhat and Novell.
In addition to these two methods their is a third method of making money with open source. Using open source software to make money. Watcom is a perfect example of this. Many years ago the Watcom C/C++ and Fortran compilers were these wonderfully advanced compilers that were used by many people. Eventually they got bought by a driver writing company. They needs a little modernization that the company could not finance on their own. So they launched www.openwatcom.com and setup a source repository. They get free labor from people with an interest with the compiler, and we get a free compiler that isn't gcc. Some people do indeed download and use the compiler to write closed source software and not give anything back. However, other than a little bandwidth, these people take nothing away from the project.
Well FreeBSD is an elitist democracry. You must be chosen by those in power to participate in the democratic process. Also, people are given specific scopes of responsibility (port maintainers), so the decision process is more of a delegated benign dictatorship.
SMB market? I though MS was calling their embraced and extended from DEC file sharing protocal CIFS these days. Also, in terms of speed and security Linux has windows beat. Unfortunatly samba has some ways to go for drop in Windows 2k active directory server replacement.
So...just thinking to myself, um, what happens if Linus is...snuffed out?;)
Well, you got Alan Cox and the rest of Linus's trusted lieutents. Their will be chaos, a power struggle, and life will go on. If they don't get their act together, then their are the BSDs and the Hurd. The kernel is such a small part of linux. Even GNU/Linux is such a small part of what is linux. Their is so much non GNU free software involved in what we consider linux. You have X, KDE, VIM, xmms, mozilla, samba and alot more.
In that case, you must take a look at SuSE 9.0 plus Winerack. Sure Crossover office and WineX are closed source, but stuff drips back down to the wine proper source tree. I got Diablo II running on a Dual PIII 450. Way overkill indeed, but the game runs smoothly and hes not aware I'm sshed in attenmpting to compile OpenWatcom.
I'd pay $10/year for good no-nonsense DNS service, and I think I could talk my company into $10/year/workstation if there was a good public image for it.
Being the current DNS service is run on the registration fees of domain name owners, why would you need $10 a year from ever workstation on the internet. Also, how does one regulate this? By IP address? You can do some NAT Voodo and make a whole class A's DNS queries appear to be coming from one IP. Auctually, if you had a DNS server on your network that would be making all the queries to this "premium enterpruse ready" DNS root server. Sounds like this would jsut make fat cats fatter.
Slashdot Mirror
But then Request-For-Change was how all this internet stuff got started anyway! Auctually its request for comments!!!
Which would explain his releation to the prince of heck.
The code often uses K&R function declarations, but then does member-by-member copying of structs just using the assignment operator. Lots of small stupid stuff like that. Sounds like a boring manual, long, but quite achievable task. Granted not worth it for shits and giggles, but if you want to port to Linux, or any OS, your going to need to switch away from Visual Studio anyway, and this is the least of the bottlenects. Speaking of Visual Studio, assuming the build system uses nmake, and you dotn want to rewrite makes files to work with gmake or pmake, The compiler OpenWatcom has wrappers for nmake, cl.exe and link.exe that call the watcom build chain. You would have to make your own version of the link and cl wrapper that redirected to gcc of course, but its a step in the right direction.
Slashdot is running on MySQL you troll, but I'd prefer if they used postgres.
But when you go to sourceforge and see 'Stage 1 - planning: December 2001' (and nothing put out since then) it makes me wonder whether some people are REALLY dedicated to what they do. ...," ideas. Now I know for myself, when I get really into coding, things like eating and taking out the trash are things I consider serious interruptions that I try to avoid. Writing up a SF project is similar. I have a project I'm owrking on now whose initial release will probally be cathedral like. Its not going to be full 1.0, but the initial SF.net upload will be working useful code. Now I have a sf.net project with no work started becasue it was just a "wouldn't it be cool if ...," idea. I had no clue where to start besides googling and reading code, so I made the project before having any clue about how I was going to code the damn thing.
Well is it really that bad? First of all the majority of commercial software development projects fail. Now when people expect to make money off writing software they have to pay programmers, and that means they probally have a high committment level and some sort of reason to think the project will be successful. Making a sourceforge project takes at most 15 minutes of filling out web forms. Theirs very little invested in the project, until a large amount of manhours are put into it, so abandonment is not that big a deal. Now, if I had to pay a thousand dollars to register my sourceforge project, I would damn sure be dedicated.
Alot of thos sf.net projects are pipe dreams and "hey wouldn't it be cool if
The point is, you can't judge open source committment by the average follow through of every project on SF.net. The cost of entry is too low.
Quite frankly, most enterprise customers will happily pay license fees anyway.
Its not about willingness to pay money. I willing paid for Mac OSX. I willingly paid for SuSE, Open BSD, FreeBSD, tightvnc, OpenWatcom, and a few others.
However, open source is about more than license costs, its about community and better products. Their are large companies out their that face unique problems. However, their not really as unique as they think they are. Because of this custom systems to deal with individual problems evolve into things like CRM, ESM, and Groupware. Eventually these solutions get scaled down to benifit smaller entities. However, smaller companies have problems bigger ones don't. And sometimes Opensource can help to solve these problems.
As far as those that are willing to pay license fees, those that don't get open source and won't give back, sell them service contracts. This is what their expecting with a license, so give them what they want.
Gee, I was expecting ^X from a pico fan like you. Have you finally seen the light?
Theo couldn't be the boss if he switched to Linux, but what OTHER reasons are there?
Uh first of all competition. You have this small group with its own politics and motives that not Linux. This means their are probaly a few thing that they can get done better becasue they want to. For example, OpenSSH. Being OpenSSH did end up filling an important need, Linux, other unices and even Windows benifitted. Theo threw a bitch fit over the license of the packet filtering software in OpenBSD and this lead to another "more free" package being created and caused te author of the original package to rethink and clarify the license. The ports collection has some great ideas of package management. Linux imporved greatly upon them with debian. OpenBSD took telnet and rsh flat out of the source tree. Others will probally follow suit.
Well perhaps you should consider archiving some of your mail, and storing those archives in mboxes. Also qmail supports mbox right-nice. However, you'll need another pop/imap solution besides courier. I think theirs a pop daemon integrated in DJBs wonderful tarball of mta goodness though.
I want mail stored as one .mbox file per folder - like God intended it to be.
I want mail stored in a maildir, one file per message - like DJB intended it to be.
Long live qmail!!!!
How does being a right-wing nutjob influence your coding decisions?
Well mainly its probally why I believe people have a right to write closed source software. I also believe that the market will correct itself, and deal with the Balmer's and McBrides of the world. As far as the auctual writing of code, well I am a C bigot that thumps on my K&R book like its the King James. However, I'm firmly against living to the letter of any paradim, so why my code tends to be procedural when I'm not writing java, their are a few gotos and some of my C code has object oriented aspects.
When a language has to piggy back on another or come up with these weird combinations you know it is on it's way out. With that logic every language with a .NET version is dead. First of all their are plenty of projects that hanve ane will continue to be written in C and compiled into good old unmanaged binary executables that execute without any of this newfangled bytecode. Also the whole point of .NET and the JVM is compile once, run anywhere. Java and Foo# are just languages well suited for such tasts. Programmmers always find a way to use whatever weird language, library, or methodology with whahtever new technology.
How did changing the email client change the number of spams in a given day? I dont understand the connection.
Becasue he setup Mozilla's junk mail filtering. She didnt see the span therefore it didn;t exist. Sure it was downloaded, but she never auctually saw it.
Expensive hardware, Insecure software, and the failure of security through obscurity.
So does united artists for their POS (point of sales aka cash register). They have quite the inroads in that market. Probally will stay that way to. Lets face it, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Changing a $20 to be a 200 dollar bill is just stupid.)
Being two dollar bills were silver notes, I would say that you'd probally have better luck passing off 200 bills.
I would ask people what version of software they were running and maybe 30% knew.
I work for an ISP today. One of my duties is phone support. When I ask customers what version of Outlook their running maybe 5% of them know.
Me:Ok click on help|about. What does it say.
Alt =
I remember setting up my mouse driver, and configuring the menue to alway be their on my 8088 with my logitech mouse. Of course I turned from these sinful ways, and later learned the joys of the reveal codes command.
no no no. YOU just don't get it! Free Software is not about making better software. It's about encouraging freedom and building a better community.
But Open SOurce is about better software.
You and the parent just don't get it. The point of Free Software and Open Source Software is to create better software. Its not about making more money from the software. Its not even about making less money from the software. Its just about making better, more useful software.
Open source works through innovation and support.
Their is auctually some code out their that has yet to be written that some corporation out their needs. This leads them to paying a developer real money to write it. They then go buy a car and a house and all that other stuff. At that point the closed source advocate tries to develop it into something he could sell to other corporations. The open source advocate puts up a cvs repository, makes a home page for people to download the software, and gets the community involved in maintaining the project. This means that the maintainance programmer has a reduced workload.
The second method of making money is supporting software. By support I mean charging money for anything releated to the software. Selling computers that run linux is providing support. Writing books is providing support. Selling pressed CDs is support. Also, some people auctually do buy the mythical "linux support contracts" from the likes of redhat and Novell.
In addition to these two methods their is a third method of making money with open source. Using open source software to make money. Watcom is a perfect example of this. Many years ago the Watcom C/C++ and Fortran compilers were these wonderfully advanced compilers that were used by many people. Eventually they got bought by a driver writing company. They needs a little modernization that the company could not finance on their own. So they launched www.openwatcom.com and setup a source repository. They get free labor from people with an interest with the compiler, and we get a free compiler that isn't gcc. Some people do indeed download and use the compiler to write closed source software and not give anything back. However, other than a little bandwidth, these people take nothing away from the project.
Well FreeBSD is an elitist democracry. You must be chosen by those in power to participate in the democratic process. Also, people are given specific scopes of responsibility (port maintainers), so the decision process is more of a delegated benign dictatorship.
SMB market? I though MS was calling their embraced and extended from DEC file sharing protocal CIFS these days. Also, in terms of speed and security Linux has windows beat. Unfortunatly samba has some ways to go for drop in Windows 2k active directory server replacement.
So...just thinking to myself, um, what happens if Linus is...snuffed out? ;)
Well, you got Alan Cox and the rest of Linus's trusted lieutents. Their will be chaos, a power struggle, and life will go on. If they don't get their act together, then their are the BSDs and the Hurd. The kernel is such a small part of linux. Even GNU/Linux is such a small part of what is linux. Their is so much non GNU free software involved in what we consider linux. You have X, KDE, VIM, xmms, mozilla, samba and alot more.
In that case, you must take a look at SuSE 9.0 plus Winerack. Sure Crossover office and WineX are closed source, but stuff drips back down to the wine proper source tree. I got Diablo II running on a Dual PIII 450. Way overkill indeed, but the game runs smoothly and hes not aware I'm sshed in attenmpting to compile OpenWatcom.
I'd pay $10/year for good no-nonsense DNS service, and I think I could talk my company into $10/year/workstation if there was a good public image for it. Being the current DNS service is run on the registration fees of domain name owners, why would you need $10 a year from ever workstation on the internet. Also, how does one regulate this? By IP address? You can do some NAT Voodo and make a whole class A's DNS queries appear to be coming from one IP. Auctually, if you had a DNS server on your network that would be making all the queries to this "premium enterpruse ready" DNS root server. Sounds like this would jsut make fat cats fatter.