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Microsoft Plans WinXP "Reloaded"
An anonymous reader writes "Looks like Microsoft changed their minds and are planning a new OS release before Longhorn. They are calling it XP Reloaded."
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I Googled "XP Reloaded" just for kicks.
Based on the results page, I think they really do need another release -- nearly every single query result was a question about how to reload the operating system because a bunch of shit just stopped working!
Once XP Reloaded comes out, I can't wait to query for "XP Reloaded Reloaded" and see if the number of results returned decreases at all, or if the MS tards just add more bugs with every "bug fix". Hahahaha!
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Is this a fortelling of things to come? Did the Oracle prophetize these events? Is it fate that the next two versions of windows are doomed to be over hyped and inferior to the original in nearly every way shape and form?
Warner Bros takes Billy to court over using the name Reloaded.
Actually what I'm thrilled about (even if others say its horribly inefficient) is the 3D accelerated desktop that is supposed to be in Longhorn, and doing away with 2D acceleration. The Mac has it, why can't we?
Though I doubt Reloaded will have it as it would take away the Longhorn hype
Candle burns its brightest in the dark
... and I'm not afraid to mod-bomb Matrix idiocy. :P
XP Rebooted?
Or can it?
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shill
This reminds me of a phrase posted here on slashdot about the movie " How about I give you the finger and you give me my 10 dollars back!"
how long until
If it sucks as much in comparison to XP as Matrix Reloaded did in comparison to Matrix, forget about crashing all the time... this thing won't even boot up!!!
Daniel
Carpe Diem
...followed in 2006 by Longhorn, aka "Microsoft XP Revolutions"
Every once in a while I like to masturbate a new word into my vocabulary, even if I don't know what it means.
Somehow, this seems like a sequel nobody wants to see...
Remember what happened when XP missed its deadline... Microsoft ended up shipping WindowsMe which in most circles stands for "Mistake Edition".
We know the real reason they're putting this out. It's not for the innovation value, but that sales of the XP Update have started to tail off, and this will convince some people who already have XP to buy the upgrade...
Why do I get the feeling that the lead programmer on this project is called Neo?
Do they know how many times I've "reloaded" XP for friends and family members? Seriously.
Not much difference from what they did with 98SE or 95B (or 95C).
Says the latest virus to XP.
What's next.. Windows Revolutions?
must be metallica fans...
Windows RG
...XP is just a facelift to Win2k
kinda like the matrix reloaded... does that mean it will be ok and have some decent fight scenes but overall be worse than the original? or does it mean Bill Gates is reloading the virtual word we live in convinced that we have a good and stable OS but really we are all prisoners?? ...AGHHHH GOD SAVE US!
Matt
You have 1 Moderator Point! Use it or lose it! Is that a threat? -vapid
They better not release it under that title because it sounds a lot more like infringement to me than "Lindows" does. Well, maybe that's a bit extreme, but it's something to think about nonetheless.
This is one of the stupidest things I've read this week.
Hmmm... so lots of special effects but not a lot of substance? I can't wait for the sequel to the sequel!
Matt Fahrenbacher
James Tiberius Kirk: "Spock, the women on your planet are logical. No other planet in the galaxy can make that claim."
I'm always well-up for the next version of Windows, but this may just dilute the impact of Longhorn for me. And also I thought LH was due out 2006-2007? Reloaded will probably just delay it further.
Jesus. That's so lame.
That's like in high school when you'd be hanging out at your friend's house and his dad would be one of those guys who thought he was cool but he was actually terribly out of touch. You know, the kind of guy who would come downstairs in like 1998 and say something like, "What are you guys doing? Listening to Nirvana?" in a desperate attempt to seem cool and "with it."
-- atomly
Today, while I was browsing Slashdot, Windows XP for no particular reason brought up its BSOD and demanded a reboot.
While that was happening, I realized it had been about two and a half years since XP came out. It seems like MS operating systems aways start to wear out after 2-3 years, just in time for the new release to claim it fixes all of those bugs...
if this OS will have full 64bit compatiablity? As if it doesn't it could seriously slow down 64bit sales, as I for one was waiting for Longhorn to upgrade to 64bit, and I know a lot of my friends were.
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
Definitely going to be the blue pill.
...the bomb. No, I mean: ...for jokes galore. Consider:
"Like the original, except everyone's disappointed with it."
"Reloaded? More like reBOOTed! BURN!"
"Here comes Desktop Agent Clippy Smith! 'It looks like you're trying to type a letter, Mister Anderson...'"
"XP has you!"
And so on.
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Perfect. I guess there won't be any silly copyright issue over the name. My winbox was doing the slow bullet scene long befroe the Matrix.
Heck, I can reload XP for free . . . but at least even Microsoft is now acknowledging that is one of the only way to fix their buggy software.
I hope it's not another Windows ME style dead-end branch of the Windows tree. US customers need to get the rumored stripped-down Windows that the EU may be getting. Windows, without all the unwanted crap, would be interesting to see. BN
Did they license the Matrix Reloaded trademark? Or maybe they're just a bunch of hippocrates.
At least windows is getting better with each successive release. The Matrix on the other had just kept getting worse.
Does that mean there's going to be a shit load of exploits produced in the current XP ?
So this is basically just going to be Windows XP, with the new service pack? Sounds to me like its just a way that they can push back the release of Longhorn and save a bit of face.
I'd call it Mandrake 10! Coming soon, download the beta today from Mandrake!
Even if you've never used a Linux based operating system before, you won't be disapointed!
...with Duke Nukem: Forever will be particularly popular.
AC comments get piped to
Gives new meaning to "a glitch in the matrix", doesn't it?
*crickets*
sorry.
I've got more mod points and GMail invi
if some courts believe that Lindows cannot use it's name because it sounds too similar to "Windows", would they also agree that "XP reloaded" cannot be used since it sounds like WB's movie?
...remember good 'ol times when IP used to mean Internet Protocol....
From RTFM (yeah I know....slashdot..rtfm doesn't happen), it basically seems like MS is going to just rebundle XP, slap on a slightly different name, and sell that. Kinda like 98 Plus!, only XP Plus! is the newest OS, and XP gets closer and closer to End of Support. Am I the only one who sees this?
Reloading XP (dead face emoticon) is still XP (another dead face emoticon)...
XP
Hah.
I'll bet anything that MS is just releasing a new version of XP so they can have all of that lovely DRM support built into an OS, since Longhorn is so far off.
My lack of God, it's Trotsky!
In obvious homage to pioneering helpdesk personell, who's reply for help might go something like this:
Guy: Hey PCTechMan, My computer has a virus.
PCTech: We should reinstall windows.
Guy: My mouse is stuck!
PCTech: I've seen this before! We'll need to format and Reload Windows Reloaded.
Guy: IT'S ON FIRE! I'M ON FIRE! IT'S HOT!
PCTech: I suggest we Ghost it.
Though, I'm upset I'll have to wait longer to make lude references to "Longhorn".
"Hm... upgrades."
Is anyone going to see this for anything other than a thinly-veiled attempt to just keep the money rolling in between now and whenever Longhorn ships?
If so, that person needs to be tracked down and slapped with a clue stick.
All that remains to be seen is what backwards compatability Microsoft will break in an attempt to force people to upgrade. Or maybe they'll pull the old "no more security patches for $OS. upgrade to $newerOS" trick.
Model an OS full of security holes after a movie full of plot holes - this might be an apt choice of names afterall...... If they remodel the Office Help function to give "Oracle-esque" advice....that might prove amusing as well. "Well, some people might want to tell you to ask yourself the same question, or you might just want to access the Analysis Toolpack - but me - I'd just say have a cookie and sit down - all will be clear in time"
Reloaded is just an internal name for it..
Secondly, the article talks of an interim release. They wouldn't want to call something that breaks compatibility a service pack.
They probably want to build in a bunch of support for cooly new hardware. Pretty much like Windows 98 SE, they needed an update bigger than a service pack to get USB, etc, working..
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
"We are exploring ways to add value to Windows XP."
Sounds more like they are Exploring (TM) ways to add value to Microsoft.
Belloc
I got more rhymes than Jamaica got Mangoes.
Honestly, we should have seen this one coming. What do you want to bet that the "new features" included in "Reloaded" are all going to be stuff that belongs in a gratis Service Pack? It's the Microsoft OS Production/Marketing Paragidm:
1. Release Buggy OS
2. Make $Umteen Million on OS
3. Fix some of the bugs
4. Release less buggy version of same OS
5. Make another $Umteen Million.
6. CYA by saying that anything not fixed in this will addressed in vaporware OS
Ok, let's come back to reality...I'll take the blue one!
Karma: Very Very Very Very Bad
Does this mean it will have lots of pretty graphics and effects with little actually substance and meaning behind it? Like other things titled "Reloaded"?
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
--Tsiangkun
Windows free since 1998
All the windowsupdates and servicepacks have removed all the good'ol bugs, so they just need another reload before the huge longhorned one arrives...
Microsoft learned their lesson from the huuuuuuuuge gaps between not only NT4 and Win2000, but between NT service packs. Forgot it for a little bit, and something must have reminded them. What they really need to do is get service packs back on some kind of schedule. Critical security fixes exempted of course. And quit calling them service packs when they're really (remember these from the DOS days?) step-up versions.
Mix the failings of Usenet with the shortcomings of the World Wide Web and the result is slashdot.
Reminds me of this great spoof. The end is really terrific :)
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If they do this then there's no excuse except for spite for them to not fix their CSS inheritance, positionaing and box model bugs. Their line before was "oh, we're not working on that anymore and for some reason we can't tell you making padding and border attributes work correctly would require an OS rewrite which we're not doing until Longhorn."
Before you can release a crappy sequel to a good movie/OS, you first must have a good movie/OS. I don't think WinXP qualifies.
Or maybe they're just a bunch of hippocrates.
What, they are ancient greek doctors?
My Karma: ran over your Dogma
StrawberryFrog
MS could do a lot worse than 2003 Server (which I'm running as a desktop right now). Put in the reliability, the default security configurations, the actually excellent IIS 6 and the snappier desktop feel/memory management and you'd have a winner on the desktop.
Will he be in Windows Reloaded as the animated character?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Whatever happened to Microsoft's bovine naming scheme? I was looking forward to another mountain cat tearing a cow to pieces.
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
[rantorama]
Every other friggin' product/event/whatever this last year has been been "XXX Reloaded". It's meaningless and stupid. C'mon marketers, learn a new phrase...
Unless "reloaded" now means "mediocre followup"... in which case, "XP Reloaded" is redundant.
[/rantorama]
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Man, I thought we got past all of those matrix jokes last fall. At least they didn't piss off the Macheads with "Windows XP: Attack of the Clones." All joking aside, I do think that the XP:reloaded is just a code name.
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And delayed. Point is, to me this indicates that Longhorn's release date just became slightly more tentative than it was before. Which is a good thing for alternative operating systems like the growing and ever-improving GNU/Linux.
And in the short term it's a good thing for Microsoft, as some people are likely to fork over the $100 (or whatever) upgrade.
Woah....
webpage
Kinda sounds like a bad sequel.
2) The phone number of MS, so you call them when ever you change a piece of hardware and that stupid internet activation doesn't work any more, after only two install on the same PC.
3) No media player, Thanks eurotrash.
4) No web browser or will there be more than one, which it will load all of them just in case you couldn't make up your mind when did the install questions.
5) DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM and some more DRM that...
6) Spies on your media and playing habits.
7) A more "cat" like user interface?
8) MS-tunes(TM) for your M-capsule(TM)?
Will there be red and blue editions?
How about XP Unplugged? Now that I'd pay money for.
Yeah it already came with XP Preloaded.
... the line of prototype Macs called "project Sagan".
Carl Sagan brought (or threatened?) a suit against Apple.
In response, Apple simply renamed it (unofficially, of course) "project butthead scientist".
Infringement problem solved!
Microsoft will be announcing further products in their "Reloaded" range which will include Office Reloaded, Visual Studio Reloaded, Outlook Reloaded and The Browser, Reloaded.
... I guess
With Microsoft's history of bloated software I kind of expected their next release to be called Windows XS.
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
My guess is that the Longhorn will not be out soon enough for those who bought XP under software assurance program. By having a forced update out, MS can claim that the software assurance program is indeed a good buy.
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tell Microsoft that their calenders are all fucked up.
April 1st is a ways away yet.
Or is this more from the new Microsoft Time Travel Engine (TM)?
God, you'd think that after their latest public gaff that they'd just hunker down for a while and rethink their strategy, but NO...
I'm over the line from disgusted to sheer pity. Must be some good crack they're smoking over at 1 MS Way.
Fer crying out loud
Vulnerabilities aren't exploited until we release a patch for the "hackers" to reverse engineer, and NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PATCH IN A MAJOR WAY THE WHOLE OS.
gaaarrrgghhhhhhh *choke*
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Look, everyone knows (or should, by now) that the only part of XP that really NEEDS overhauling is IE. After the new stuff coming up in SP2 (security fixes, software firewall, built-in antivirus, etc.), that'll _still_ be the only thing that needs an overhaul. A popup blocker in IE with SP2 isn't going to cure the REAL ills of IE, namely, horrid CSS & PNG support. Merely fixing those two things would get me to buy an XP upgrade. As a web designer/developer, that is my number one, EVERY DAY biggest obstacle to computing happiness. Where do I want to go today, Microsoft asks. I want to go to that happy land where IE properly & fully supports CSS 1 & 2 & PNG. Is that so much to ask? Hell, just properly implementing what you started in the original IE 6 would be enough!
Screw Fermat's Last Theorem. MS spending time adding a _popup blocker_ to IE when the PNG & CSS issues remain is the biggest mystery of our time. If they add tabs and _still_ don't fix CSS & PNG, I'm gonna totally lose it.
Yet another OS we have to stick in our testing matrix. Sigh...
Who Knows, will Dot marry a useless GUI or a XP worm/virus/trojan!
This is Mike the TV, saying Stay tuned!
They tried this once before and it was a flop. Consider WinME (98 Reloaded). For the record, I'm not anti-MS, but WinME was awful. I worked on a few boxes for some friends and it was the biggest joke of an OS. I'm alight with 98 and XP, but IMHO a "stepping stone" OS is only going to hurt them... again.
do MS set themselves up whenever they name a product or give an idea. I remember the MS Stinkerphone (Stinger) as one example. I mean please, the connotations you could get from XP Reloaded alone are a cause for concern about their mental state at Redmond!
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Anyway, I read the article, and I loved this quote from Window's lead project manager:
"We are exploring ways to add value to Windows XP."
To me, that sounds like newspeak for "We are exploring ways to get existing XP users to pony up extra cash."
What's funny about all this is the article talks all about the prospect for this new XP release, without mentioning even one feature Reloaded would contain. Go figure.
Here's some wild speculation: Longhorn development is running into problems that are further delaying development, so Microsoft is responding with a stopgap operating system. Maybe they should call it OS9 instead of Reloaded.
Anyway, from a Linux advocate's perspective, anything that pushes back Longhorn has to be considered a good thing. Longhorn will no doubt come with some compelling features that will make Linux a harder sell. So the longer it takes to be released, the more time Linux has to establish its foothold.
Note that I'm not saying that Longhorn will be a product I'd want to have. Every new release of Windows seems to be more restrictive than the last, and what little I understand about .NET terrifies me. Still, there's no denying that some users will view Longhorn as sort of the OSX release of Windows.
I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
Of course, what Microsoft is trying to do is to have their cake and eat it too. They want the ubiquitous distribution of their Operating System by making deals with OEMs and retailers. They also want people to pay the ridiculous off-the-shelf upgrade prices. These people that upgrade to Pro end up paying twice.
I personally do not pay the MS tax, I just borrow a CD. I own XP home, but I install XP Pro on my computer. Don't use it regularly, only for games and stuff.
Please tell me the Longhorn desktop is NOT going to be 3D only, with no 2D acceleration. I mean, I have no problem with a desktop having lots of 3D effects for people who like them, but at least give us the chance to TURN THE DAMN CHROME OFF!
...And so on...
It seems like every time a new class of CPUs come out that can keep up with bloated GUIs, Windows blows up the CPU power needed to drive its GUI exponentially.
Remember when a DX2-66 was all you needed to make Win3.1 draw fast? Along came 95
Remember when a P5-166 was all you needed to make Win95 draw fast? Along came Win98
Remember when a PIII was all you needed to make Win2K draw fast?
I hope I speak for others when I say, I don't need fancy-schmancy glowing texture-wrapped widgets, window transparancy, or realtime updated iconified windows. I need to use my computer to get stuff done!
... that Longhorn will be even more delayed. As others in the thread have noted, this is exactly what happened with 95 (B and C) and 98SE and ME's entire reason for existance.
Today we have learned that "new intermediate version" means "omigod, I am up to my eyeballs in delays, and I don't want to look like an ass to my users^W customers"
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Just like Windows 95B and Windows 98SE where good things in their own way, a second edition or "reloaded" version of XP for those who haven't bought it yet would certainly help. For one thing they could do what they're trying to do in SP2 - correct their mistake of assuming the average user is more intelligent then a potted plant (the plant will actually move towards sunlight at an incredibly slow rate). By locking down Windows hard out of the box they can make the trade off of more tech support calls about people who don't know that they have to open ports to run game servers, rather then the constent barrage of bad press because their users open exe files using a 6 year old version of Outlook and run them because the anonymous email with spelling mistakes told them to.
Remember Windows ME, filling the gap between 98/NT4 and Windows 2000?
The most unstable OS I've (n)ever used.
this is nothing new. ive had windows reloaded at least once a year since 1995.
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Maybe this is longhorn?
Evil Bill: You see, in order to make me twice as rich as that guy over at Virgin I've decided to re-release WinXP, I call it XP Reloaded
Ballmer: [laughs]
Evil Bill: What?
Ballmer: Nothing, Neo.
Evil Bill: What did you call me?
Ballmer: Nothing. [coughing] Rip-off!
Evil Bill: Bless you.
500 dollar reward for tip(s) leading to the arrest of the person(s) who stole my sig.
the windows matrix
Stop the madness, we don't want another WinME!! Please no!
Just like Windows 98SE, MS probably said "hey, this up and coming service pack is pretty nice....... lets charge for it!"
As per the article, this is its "internally referred to name", probably a nickname given to it by the developers. I would bet real money that this has never been intended to be used outside the developers group, much less MS itself. Watch out for something like WinXP SE.
Note that the only MS person quoted in the article is never quoted as calling it XP Reloaded, its only implied ("Sullivan said that the possible release of XP Reloaded does not indicate a delay for Longhorn." is not a quote, but sounds more like something Cnet bodged together out of the info it had to hand), but an external analysist did, clear indication that this is a pet name for the project and not its official title.
forgot the spaces or the ecode tags to allow for the and tags, oops
use your turn signal! you people act like it's divulging information to the enemy
All it takes is a glance at the imdb.
I think "you got served" is a pretty good candidate myself.
Don't you know that Longhorn is waiting for Duke Nukem Forever to be released to really show all of it's capabilities?
One you missed.
It's really quite funny.
MS wants to delay thier loghorn release even more due to
...well except that RH is open source, and MS isnt. Well, actually MS is open source, but not legally. Well except for 'shared source'. But you get the idea!
a. Wanting to get some more features in (search engine to combat google?)
b. Some features taking longer to finish then expected
They want a way to keep thier customer rather then crossing thier fingers for more then 5 years.
Can someone say, standard buisness practice?
Its like Redhat backporting features from 2.6 into 2.4 till 2.6 is stable.
This completes the three R trilogy!
Retried. Rebooted. Reloaded.
Free XBox, PS2
Whilst I'm thinking of it - is the user page borked for everyone else, or is it just me? It's also not showing a comment I made about 30-45 mins ago, but it is showing the one I just now made. Did someone from the IE team join Slashdot? :)
Eventually after six months, and Windows slows down or goes belly up,
everyone runs Windows, reloaded. (Probably more than once).
According to the article, the Reloaded name is an internal name they are using, like a codename, not the actual product name the public will see. Besides, you're comparing apples to oranges. One is an OS that sounds like another OS, the other is an OS that sounds like a movie. Which one do you think may cause confusion?
And, like Agent Smith, the purpose of XP Reloaded is for it to copy itself over all other existing OSes.
I know what it feels like when XP Reloaded detects and overwrites my Gentoo partition. It feels like dying.
I suppose they have to have some way of keeping the OS division cash flow positive until they get round to releasing "The Next Big Thing"
Mind you, doesn't the release when it's ready sound a lot like Duke Nukem Forever ?
"We are exploring ways to add value to Windows XP."
WOW! So this new reloaded is gonna be out in like... 10 years or so?
Uh huh... well its about time.
You would think they would start off with this idea in mind.
Most people aren't thought about after they're gone. "I wonder where Rob got the plutonium" is better than most get.
I'm afraid your use of the word 'cool' shows that you're hopelessly out of touch.
Great, it will arrive with a whole new family of exploits/patches flying in trail.
Will they be coming out with an updated version of Internet Explorer? IE is already seriously almost everybody else in terms of standards support (not that they were ever near the front). When they have to be very seriously pressured to release just one measley patch, it means they either don't care anymore, or they're working on something big. Just release something, please, so web developers don't have to keep suffering when developing for the lame uninformated masses that are stuck behind.
All I have to say is:
"Whoa"
"This is going to feel, a little weird"
A windows OS without security issues is like a pizza without the dough.
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
Those who fail to remember Windows Me are doomed to repeat it.
In Soviet Russia, all our base are belong to you!
Whoah!
I love the marketing spin: "We are exploring ways to add value to Windows XP." That's what you and I call fundrasing.
"My Windows XP just crashed. Now I gotta reload it" :D
... I'll just wait for it to come on TV.
I just can't wait for Windows XP Revolutions to come out. Instead of the BSOD we will see Bill with a glowing cross from his chest. He is the one.
Dustin - A different story...
It reminds me of this Bill Gates Matrix spoof:
http://www.fromp.org/gates-1.jpg
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...as it's the only way to get a really secure Windows box.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Maybe this time, Neo took the blue pill.
That'd explain why he's working on software for The Man, after all...
"We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in tolerance and free speech." - David Brin
I've seen a lot less problems since people have started getting XP machines. For stability it just doesn't even compare to the 9x series. XP often runs for weeks at a time without reboots, and in most cases you can go several months without a reformat & re-install. It's definately in a class of it's own.
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a patched up version to keep the income stream happening. Which doesn't mean it won't have some interesting stuff, but the MS history is that it will wind up as another dead end.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Wasn't there a poll about annoying naming buzzwords recently? Win XP Reloaded is too many buzzwords for me. What next? HypermegaLH Y2K+5 cyber-XP? I'm so good, I should go into marketing... for Microsoft.
I've taken to having a bootable CD of Knoppix handy in case I need a workable environment when I'm out and about. When asked I just say it's the 'red pill' for your PC: you computer gets to see the real world, even if it's a little rougher. :-)
I think Microsoft has chosen the perfect name... ;-)
There is no service pack
AT&ROFLMAO
aka Linux
With MsSQL ontop of NTFS longhorn is promising to be even slower than past systems. The hybrid model that i have seen is just adding a layer ontop of NTFS. Not really a new filesystem like ReiserFS but another layer eating cpu cycles and memory. Hardware probably needs to catch up before it can be used in a grander scale.
Since Longhorn seems to be so long into the future and MS desperatly needs their upgrade fix an interim XP sounds possible. Think Windows Me and Windows 98 SE for a clue (lets hope that Longhorn stinks as bad as Windows Me did if that is humanly possible). MS has set themselves up on a 3 year upgrade sell and a step of that cycle is a significant blow to their earnings.
As a side note i dont deem Longhorn that much of an improvement over XP that it is worth waiting for. From what ive seen its just babysteps they have taken. And that is natural, any bigger changes is going to break a lot of applications in perspective of MS merry strife to lock applications to x86.
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XP Rebooted
When will Revelotion come then?
See Above Title
I still haven't "upgraded" to Win XP, because in order to upgrade to XP, I need to have upgraded Win95 to Win98, Win98 to WinME or Win2K and then to WinXP. Of course, I could upgrade directly from W98 to XP, but it'd cost more than upgrading from ME or 2K
That's what p****s me off about MS - why can't I go straight to this XP reloaded from Win98 (if/when it drops) FOR A REASONABLE PRICE??
After all, I'll be going straight from a PCI Nvidia Riva TNT2 to an uberAGP 32x GeForce 7.7i Touring Special when Duke Nukem 4ever drops...
Meanwhile, I'll stay with Mandrake. I love Mandy...
Remember how Win98 was supposed to be the last of the DOS-based OSs? ... but then Microsoft couldn't ship Windows 2000 in time, so they threw some extra crap into Win98SE and called it Millennium Edition.
Sounds to me like XP Reloaded is the next Windows Me.
*shudder*
...overhyped, tedious and a huge disappointment, but not nearly as bad as what comes after it?
You must think in Russian.
W32.MyDoomX will own this OS.
Had to say it
Intel givith and Microsoft taketh away
This reminds me of the Gates and Balmer Matrix parody. I think Bill Gates should come out and admit that he really is Neo, then beat up a bunch of reporters with a pole like that kid did in school, pretending they were all copies of Agent Smith.
I'm a little surprised this is big news. Of course they were going to release a new version of Windows before Longhorn. The shareholders were going to complain if the Microsoft Windows division didn't produce any revenue for a year because of no new product being released. It would have been cutting off half of Microsofts revenue.
Are things really going that badly that they need to add some more eye candy to XP and then try to resell it to us as a "new" OS? First off the people on 98 are sticking to 98. Especially since 98 is now going to be supported for years to come. At this point they are only going to update once they buy a new PC. Secondly those on 2k/XP especially businesses are NOT going to buy into this refresh. So who the hell is their market? This literally makes no sense to me. What companies are going to upgrade from either 2k/XP to XP reloaded in late 2004 early 2005 and then upgrade to Longhorn a year later? Sorry, not gonna happen.
Or is this because of Linux? As nice as that would be I honestly don't think MS has a lot to worry about right now from the Linux desktop. When companies like Adobe and Intuit start officially supporting linux then its time for MS to panic.
Anyway like I said this just makes no sense. Good luck selling this update Microsoft, your going to need it.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Wow basing a failed operating system name on a failed operating system.. How amazingly appropreate.
WindowsXP: Kill Bill vol.1?
"Software is like sex: it's better when it's free."
Well, it's better than Windows XP: A New Hope.
Or, as someone else said, Windows XP: Return of the King.
Maybe a better name would be Windows XP: The Phantom Menace.
Or Windows XP 2: 2 Farked 2 Frivolous.
Is it me or does it seem that Microsoft lacked total creativity when coming up with this cheesey, Matrix rip-off of a name?
APPLE, SAGAN MAKE PEACE
Apple Computer and astronomer Carl Sagan have reached an "amicable" settlement over Apple's use of Sagan's name as an internal project code-name. When Sagan objected last year, Apple renamed the project "BHA," allegedly short for "Butt-Head Astronomer." Sagan then sued for defamation of character, lost the case and appealed. The settlement ends the legal wrangling, and both sides say they're happy. (Wall Street Journal 16 Nov 95 B11)
Apple once used Carl Sagan's name as an internal code name. Carl didn't like it, and sued, so Apple changed the name.
To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
Mr. Balmer,
I am not an idiot. The company that I work for is not populated by idiots, either.
It has become increasingly apparent in the past few years that Microsoft is clearly more interested in Microsoft's business and less and less interested in ours. Your penchant for adding meaningless and often useless features to your software while ratcheting up the "Draconian" knob on your license amplifier is blatent, obvious and conveys a serious lack of respect for your customers.
Now go away before I taunt you a second time.
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
Maybe it's time to stop adding value and start subtracting crappiness.
Love, Masque.
P.S. Please open the enclosed attachment.
want to charge you through the nose for it. I think we're going to see something like what happened with Windows ME...
Wow, reloaded was ok on its own, but sucked compared to the original.. hate to see what swill they'll call an OS now.
meh
...I don't know if it's a good name or not unless I see it in context.
"This worm only effects Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows XP: Reloaded."
Yea, guess it's an ok name.
FLR
I wonder if it will suck as much as The Matrix Reloaded.
...you insert your brand new copy of the much-awaited Windows XP Reloaded and it reboots your system and reinstalls XP?
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
Seriously, what is with Microsoft's obsession with The Matrix as of late? Did anybody else vomit when you saw their little Matrix spoof at (I think it was) Comdex? Way to ruin a classic! Now whenever I watch that show, I can't help but see Bill in the place of Laurence Fishburne. And Keanu Reeves keeps getting replaced by horrible images of Steve sweating and screaming "Developers, developers, developers..."
Disclaimer: This comment was generated by a Flock of Trained Microsoft Programmers for Aqua_Geek.
You must be new here.
You know what?
XP Mainframe: Speak
Tux: The program Clippy has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through this 64 bit Architecture as he spread through the 32. You cannot stop him, but I can.
XP Mainframe: We don't need you. We need nothing.
Tux: If that's true, then I've made a mistake and you should charge me a license fee now.
XP Mainframe: What do you want?
Tux: Peace
They had to kill the competition in yet another area: lame naming a product. This one wins hands-down.
Szo
Red Leader Standing By!
Suse is pronounced Soo-Suh. They're a German company, and that's how it works out phonetically in German. HTH.
...that the next Windows release, that being XP Reloaded, will wander around aimlessly during install never really making any progress, whilst showing big exploding splash screens and lots of half naked people in transparent clothes and cutting rapidly to Bill G getting his sex on with some 50 year old shemale to the beat of a crappy wannabe Jungle/Tribal soundtrack?
Or even better, how about it sets the initial timeline for install at say...oh...7 hours, then somewhere in the middle it gets sped up to 30 minutes remaining, then at the very end goes back to 24 hours before just somehow being done? All the time playing the aforementioned crappy Jungle/Tribal/Industrial crap soundtrack and exploding randomly?
I know, it already does that, sans the Bill G sex and crappy soundtrack, guess that's why it would be a "new release" if they added that stuff to the install.
"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong" - Dennis Miller
The idea is behind pop-ups is that they get advertising to the consumer. Right now, this works for 95% of their intended audience. That 5%, those who use a better browser, get a surfing experience.
Once pop-ups cease to be effective for the advertiser, they'll disappear. Instead, they'll find new ways of getting to their audience, like flash movies in the middle of a page, that will affect everyone, regardless of browser (except lynx).
Right now, I'm happy with the unwashed masses dealing with advertisements so I don't have to.
-- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
Seems that someone's calender is a month or so off. All M$ stories seem to be jokes. Check it out. [Slashdot.org] They can't be serious...
-DB-
E-mail is like a prison: a prison with no walls... and no toilet. -Strong Bad
Mozilla launch Firefox, the browser reloaded.
Then all of a sudden MS are talking about XP reloaded, with improved users interfaces.
Pity Mozilla hadn't registered that sound bite;-)
-T
So we can expect Windows Reloaded to show it's green sourcecode falling on your screen?
Repeat after me: We are all individuals
It must be that there are people on this site that find what you say "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny"
But please don't tell me you go a party, sidle up to a nice girl with a drink in your hand, and use this as your opening gambit:
"Here's some wild speculation: Longhorn development is running into problems that are further delaying development, so Microsoft is responding with a stopgap operating system. Maybe they should call it OS9 instead of Reloaded. What do you think, babe?"
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Look at Quartz Extreme on any AGP equippen G4 or G5 Mac. It is heavily 3D accelerated and looks 2D. The built in scaling and other acceleration tools that the 3D hardware brings to bare makes the OS extremeley snappy and responsive.
And it's not wastefull at all. It is simply taking advantage of commonly existing hardware that didn't exist when the original 2D API was created.
The reality is that unless you buy a Matrox card, the 2D acceleration that your video card brings to the tape hasn't improved that much at all in the last five years. The 2D core is more than good enough to do what's required of it so most video card companies don't bother expending much energy improviing things. 3D acceleration, on the other hand, has improved at rates that throttle the imagination.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
I just reloaded my windows last month.. id laugh if its just a $90 re-release of xp that has an easier re-format options
Alright, I believe in a couple years we're going to start seeing some serious version hell. For example, in the future how will we know what is "newer" than the other when we have:
Windows XP
Windows XP Reloaded
Windows XP Revolutions
Windows Xtreme
Windows Xtreme Unleashed
Windows Opposing Force
Windows Blue Shift
Does that stuff mean anything? No. With letter versioning and now this word versioning, to know what is newer than the next the user is just required to know. 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, it all makes logical sense. Words, unless they come up with alphabetical names (which would be kinda cool, but still limiting) mean nothing other than "this one is kinda different".
Complie that with other pieces of software which will follow suit (Look at all the software using 2 letter naming convensions for their versioning already) and we'll have very little knowledge what version is actually what.
Additionally, a benefit to number versioning was it allowed us to say "ok, this is 1.0, this software is really new and hasn't undergone any revisons," or "alright, this is version 3.2, they've taken a couple cracks at it and added some fixes." What if I told you I just made Gigawhop Reloaded. What the heck is that? Unless you knew the name of the software already, is it called Gigawhop or Gigawhop Reloaded as a whole? Is Reloaded actually the version? What does that even mean to me? Is it my first release? Second? Third? Tenth?
You have been warned...
To make a pun demonstrates the highest understanding of a language
Longhorn will take much longer than originally expected. It could also mean Longhorn has serious problems and wouldn't be deliverable by 2006. If that is the case, it could be that Longhorn is doomed. Given the value of the "new features" are questionable and not really new, this might be lead to dumping Longhorn all together and canabilizing the usable pieces. But it's all a guess.
LoW XP
It's the Windows ME sillyness all over again, we were all supposed to move to 2000, but yet another win95/DOS variant came out.
... i'm not so baad once you get to knoww me.
New name: XP Matrix Edition.
Bitter and proud of it.
Fire! Reload...Fire! Reload...Fire! Fire at will...
Does every single OpenGL or D3D application you open use up huge amounts of resources? I think not, but if the developer adds enough eye-candy then it certainly will, however it also has the potential to look a lot cooler. This is the premise of having a 3D desktop. I'd really hope that if you disable whatever 3D effects (ie: window zooming, genie effect, icon zooming, window flag-waving behavior) they happen to have on by default you'd end up back in a reasonable 2D interface, low cpu overhead interface. I seriously doubt they'll MAKE you have chrome effects all over the place.
I think I'll stick with "XP Downloaded" for a while...
XP Reloaded...
The worst of the trilogy...
XP Forever, and it'll be released "when it's done".
"Remember when a DX2-66 was all you needed to make Win3.1 draw fast? Along came 95 ...And so on..."
.bmps.
Remember when a P5-166 was all you needed to make Win95 draw fast? Along came Win98
Remember when a PIII was all you needed to make Win2K draw fast?
that's because when a DX2-66MHz was fast, that's what programmers had on their desk.
Do not underestimate the what's-on-programmers'-desks syndrome. Programmers like for a program to perform well on *their* computer. Programmers tend to upgrade *often*. Programmers tend to *not care a stuff* if their program doesn't perform well on older computers.
It's like if you give one set of people 56ks, and the other cable modems. Guess which lot will learn how to use a jpeg compresser, and which lot will upload raw
Programming is like that. The more power you put into their hands, the more their waste is scaled up to match. There's some magic "good enough" psychological point where programmers don't bother to put further effort into optimising an application for greater speed.
Over the last ten years, CPUs have gone from 100MIPS to 5000MIPS+. And everyday tasks broadly perform at the same speed as they did back then. What is wrong with this picture?
Windows XQ?
Is it me, or is it totally illegal for Microsoft to publicly refer to their software as something probably copyrighted (and as silly sounding) as "XP Reloaded"? Not that sounding silly is illegal... I mean, they just (tried) suing that guy for naming his page and software(s) "MikeRoweSoft(.com)", how the hell can they get away with this?
Maybe I just have no grasp on copyright law...
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Is it me, or did it just get fatter in here?
because you have to when it will invaribly lock up
Perhaps the name should be:
"Bank Account: Reloaded"
Oh wait -- I guess they already have $20 billion sitting around. How about:
"Analyst Estimates: Reloaded"
Since Microsoft feels that MikeRoweSoft.com is too similar to their name and gets the poor guy to rename his site, the W. bro's could (and really ought to) go after Microsoft for the obvious takeoff of their movie's title.
We could always make a distro of Linux and call it Windows XP Gone.
Windows is as solid as quicksand.
UltraSparc... 64-bit desktop computing, new? Oh and that's an alpha, which until compaq bought Digital was beating the crap out of their precious Macs, and the low end were cheaper compared to high-end Macs
:) But none of these were ever sold as personal compuers.
Your're forgetting SGI and old AS/400's.
All jokes aside, and with this article it could take awhile, we should at least look at the reasons for MS taking this approach.
If it's free, like most of their service packs, well then great. However if it's just some GUI rubbish like XP Plus! or something equally retarded at least we aren't being forced to download it.
But what if they charge for it? For home users this is irrelevent since they will just get it off p2p or their friends. So really this question goes to the businesses: Will this new release be worth the price of an upgrade? What are the benefits and costs? Every business asks this.
Without knowing what is in this release I can't imagine many people would adopt it. Why? Because the difference between Windows98 and Windows98SE was stability, and XP is reasonably in relation to other Windows releases. So what exactly are they offering new that would entice businesses to spend money? People have said Windows' greatest competetitor is Windows; and they're right. Innovation is a problem for MS, but that's not surprise.
Corporations: your universal scapegoat for all society's ills.
I've never seen so many Score: 5 Funnys.
I think that's infringement on the "Matrix Reloaded" title. It shouldn't be allowed.
Exactly what features they put in, we don't know.
But it sounds like another "revenue release" out of Redmond.
If they can get some of the "Quartz style" GUI infrastructure out, it might be worth it.
-------- -------- Support Wesley Clark for president!!!
...my ass still hurts from the last time!
I'm not quite sure what Microsoft is going for, but hopefully it's some kind of add-on to their current operating system Windows XP. If Microsoft is ever going to put up against the stability of UNIX, then they are going to have to stop dropping older OSs to make more newer, vulnerable ones.
If this is coming out, then how long is it going to be planned to last? Longhorn was suppose to come out in 2005-2006... and if they keep that date, then the reign of XP Reloaded won't last too long. It'll just be another Windows ME.
Nonetheless, Microsoft is going to need a lot of time to make their Windows less buggy. And well, if all else fails, they should just create an Operating System with a different kernal and name. How about.. MS Fence. o_O
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
The first tier will be full 3d acceleration, second tier will have rolled-back features, all the way to the last tier which will essentially be "Windows Classic."
I'm wondering how many years it will take for KDE to rip off the 3D acceleration features...the whole desktop will be DirectX accelerated, going far and beyond what OS X has been doing as far as 3D photorealistic desktop concepts go. It's codenamed "Aero" and they're not release screenshots because they don't want their concepts ripped off.
Reloaded is not a service pack, more like WinME (maybe not as bad ;) SP2 is, and it would be free.
I mean, like, shit! The Windows source code leaked less than two weeks ago and some guys are already talking about releasing a new version!!!
Combining the logic of the two MS stories today: Now that soft is releasing an update, this means many new exploits will be written to take advantage of the problems that were fixed.
It's just an internal codename. The features will be available for download. The name will be different upon release.
Basically, the only reason this article got posted was so that very bad "comedians" could make very bad jokes involving the Matrix. I've seen every expected cliche as far as humor goes, all within the first 50 posts. It's ridiculous.
Should we also make fun of the OSS naming problems? Kougar? Kroupware? Kallery? Xouvert? Come on.
Damn, thats not just funny; you've made it into my all-time greatest quotes file!
Here's an exerpt from that page:
I'm still uncertain whether or not the "Classic experience" (Windows 2000 equivalent) will be available to ALL Longhorn users. Microsoft's slideshow at WinHEC (May 2003) seems to indicate that a "Windows 2000 compatability mode" will only be available to "enterprises that desire this option." Here's that slide describing the different desktop experiences: Longhorn User Experience
Microsoft was already planning on a 64-bit release of XP, and even has a beta you can download and test if you have an Opteron or Athlon64 machine. Thus, my question is: why were you planning on waiting for Longhorn? Was it a lack of interest in paying for a 64-bit version of an existing OS, or just a lack of knowle3dge that a 64-bit version was comming?
s /upgrade.asp
0 03/64bit/e xtended/default.mspx
Honestly though, anyone who is surprised by the anouncement of a XP2 needs to pay more attention: with the delays in Longhorn and the delays of sp2, with the added functiuonality of sp2, I've been expecting a XP second edition to be anounced for over 6 months. It's par for course after 98SE and ME. The release of 64-bit platforms just adds another excuse to the pile of reasons to push a new version out the door - I doubt we'll see commercial releases of regular XP for 64-bit now, regardless of the beta program. Oh, and the 64-bit version will be more secure, thanks to the support for non executable memory pages on AMD64 (and later, intel 'IA32e', which is the SAME THING).
64-bit XP download: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/download
Note: its a 'customer preview' (Beta), it may crash a lot, and you may have fun finding native 64 bit drivers for your hardware, so only install on a test partition, don't use it in production or while drinking, blah blah blah - if you shoot your dog in the head with it, I won't be held responsible - and neither will MS.
Windows Server 2003 is also available in a 64-bit preview:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2
Same warnings apply as above.
And no, this post was not spell checked.
man is machine
Damn, I can't say it better than the subject does.
On a complete OT tangent, do you think those guys who released the Source of WinNT4 and Win2000 had to (1) destroy the power plant supplying all of Redmond, WA (2) disable the emergency generator by hacking into the server via the SSH1 CRC-32 exploit and (3) enter through a software backdoor using the Keymaker and narrowly avoided getting jacked by the Agent Smith worm and (4) do they fly a cool hovercraft that they call "the Nebuchadnezzar"?
I admit. I'm being ridiculous.
the real name is XP Rebooted!
we got 1D and were THRILLED! The characters came out in one line, and it really forced you to improve your reading speed, because it didn't scroll up.
And we were LUCKY, and we knew it! There were two standards in the competing generation. One standard showed one letter at a time, and you had to build words and sentences in your head. The other standard was Morse code with dots and dashes in a 1D line.
And of course the generation before THAT was 0D. Though they did get the option for the light to blink in Morse, ASCII, or EBCDIC.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
The way I see it is Microsoft probably heard the rant about them stagnating on the browser, and operating system so they ask themselves how can we innovate? So they go to Mozilla.org [Apparently their longhorn developers said they got some great ideas for XAML from there] and download FireFox -- WOW, what cool features, we will implement those, anything on Help/About worth getting too? Neat it says "Browser Reloaded", hell we'll take that too! And that is innovation at Microsoft...
They're on the site and from (e.g.) Belgium, so they need to click the link...but, if 'the choice has been taken away', how exactly did they get there?
IPv4 address geolocation works ... sometimes. Lindows.com visitors in BeNeLux that don't get redirected to Lin---s.com are legally obligated to click through that link.
like flash movies in the middle of a page, that will affect everyone, regardless of browser
Looks like I'm one jump ahead then. I've been blocking Flash for months (finally got fed up of the animation and sound in my adverts). Opera makes it easy (it's an option within Quick Preferences).
The times when you actually need to have Flash enabled are few and far between.
...will run on linux....just like ut and ut2k3
Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself.
Will XP Reloaded feature a new, more standards-compliant, less vulnerable (to spyware, worms, and pop-ups) version of IE? Because if they aren't planning to release the next IE before Longhorn, and if XP Reloaded will delay the release of Longhorn, Microsoft will have just driven another nail into IE's coffin, setting us up for a Gecko and/or KHTML-dependent web. (Maybe Netscape will win the browser war after all?)
Well, I don't know about IE and its "*WE FULLY SUPPORT* ((((about 3% of)))) *CSS1*", but under Mozilla, with CSS2, you don't have to look at flash either. You can replace it with a "click here if this isn't crap" button instead. You can even make it little so things flow around it nicely. It's amazing how many ads I dont even see anymore (and this is all without image blocking either) courtesy of a little bit of CSS.
userContent.css is your friend. Your dear and good friend. Use it, love it, spread the word.
High-speed Road Trip (18.000KPH)
Is it like the movie? Made for a one time shot only that was extended to 2 more films? And then there's the possibility of sequels, hence Longhorn/Blackcomb (i think).
Trolls dont like to be Flamebait, because they burn so well. Protect our Troll heritage!
I thought Star Wars episode 2 was "Attack of the Clones".
...just as long as it doesn't involve another Windows/Linux Matrix spoof. *shudder*
No, you can always block it with Adblock and Flash Click to view Extensions in Mozilla/Firefox/Name of the week
XP reloaded, followed by XP Revolutions, with XP Rebellion near by, and XP Demise not too far behind...
Lizard "Never let them set limits on your mind!"
I'd believe if they came up with a new version named "XP NeedMoreSodaMoneyWhileWeTryToGetLonghornToCompile" , but "Reloaded" is too retarded a name, even for most of the consumers who they're counting on to rush out and buy it. Shit, even "Ishtar" is a better name.
The terms of the peace agreement are as follows:
1. Windows will ship with everything set up for no security whatsoever. All security features will be permanently removed from the operating system so that it cannot be configured any other way. Any user can access all of your files through the Internet without any authorization or authentication of any kind.
2. Hackers, Crackers, Spammers, and other malicious users promise not to use this for evil purposes. If they do, Microsoft disclaims any responsibilities for damage or loss, even if Microsoft or its agents were informed of the possibility of such loss.
Yes... I think XP Revolutions will be the best OS yet!
eXtreme Profit Reloaded(..in their dreams..)
Seriously, this is just a diversion to delay longhorn for even longer, but still make its customers buy another version, to keep up with their "Every 2 years come out with bigger crap so people are forced to upgrade" standard that has done so well for them so far. I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with "WindowsXP Revolutions" 2 years after reloaded, after seeing that matrix spoof that ballmer and gates did at one of their conferences. That would just delay longhorn even longer, untill they can find out what else they can steel and throw in it, to make it "better" than the competition.
"There is no operating system"
Ban Reality TV!
Hum, yeah now I get it. They were running out of "good" reasons to postpone Longhorn. They're saying 2020 now, and looks like they hired Barbara Walters as their spokeswoman for the campaign.
How about 'XP Bloated'
The OS can be as much of a dud as... well...
I'm gonna go take the red pill.
that as much as we hated Reloaded or Revolutions, it's already spawned a whole new geekdom of it's own.
Why bother? They've been shooting blanks for years...
Two weeks ago I participated in a Microsoft-sponsored focus group where we considered 20 or so new features that could be added to XP and then expressed our preferences for which of these should go in a new "Small Business" version of the OS. We were a pretty outspoken group and we all agreed on these points and then hammered them home to the Microsoft employees hidden behind the one-way mirror:
1. Splitting XP into different versions was a terrible idea, leading to even more of the dreaded "I'm sorry, you bought the wrong version" problems like when small business owners go buy cheap Compaq boxes with XP Home and then wonder why they can't connect to their domains.
2. The _minute_ a useful, stable version of Linux comes out for the desktop, we're all dumping Windows immediately.
3. Lastly, we all screamed at them that the last thing we wanted was additional "features" and that what we really desired was for them to take five years off and just fix bugs in XP!
They were paying for our opinions and they definitely got their money's worth.
MS bashing is getting old, and isn't very accurate. Windows is very stable. Have yet to see bsod that was not driver related on any nt based system
"However, Directions on Microsoft analyst Rob Helm said that any new version of Windows is likely to slow Longhorn's arrival."
Clap Clap to Rob Helm... Doesn't one think that it was done for that specific perpose?!?
If you take a look at the beta release and their "wonderful" new desktop feature you can see that they've got a hell of a lot of work to do. The resource requirements for their 3D desktop is over and beyond 90% of the machines out there today.
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are not the responsiblity of the user, as I probably stole them anyway
Ever since I switched to Linux, I've called it -
Windows "Unloaded"
I can't afford a sig!
This is why I love slashdot. Come on, are you going to get this kind of quality humor from kuro5hin?
Heh. XP Rebooted. Priceless.
XP doesn't have a blue screen, ever, explorer may crash, but they did away with the infamous BSOD after 98se IIRC, everone, get your brooms...
They should call it Windows XP Rebooted, to better convey the notion of using a stable and secure OS from the people who brought you IIS and Outlook.
AC
Microsoft SmithX Agent
A small utility which greatly speeds and simplifies implementation of dos copy command as well as FileCopy API function.
Microsoft Oracle SQL
A complete replacement for Oracle Oracle, Microsoft Oracle is a database engine with Stupid Query Language. Now, You can give simple questions as "Uh?" or "Eh?" to your OLAP data cube.
Microsoft Architect
New antivirus tool. In case of vrus or worm detection, it completely wipes out anything from your hard disk and keeps your computer clean and safe, reinstalling a pure initial version of XP reloaded without your intervention.
There you are, staring at me again.
Windows Update
Is Microsoft giving away longhorn? No? Didn't think so. Well, that's pretty much the reason you should use linux.
Sure, there are other reasons. Like the fact that windows at the moment is the one being targeted by spammers/virus writers to create nefarious spam relay zombies. Or that Linux has user-level protection.
I don't see Windows Longhorn being able to change those situations drastically. Can you imagine the furor if Longhorn comes with user-level management, restricting access with root passwords? People would be up in arms!
I'd also be really surprised if windows suddenly became completely invulnerable to all viruses and worms. That would pretty much put AV vendors out of business! (might be cool though =P)
I fail to see how a release of longhorn would in any way affect adoption of linux. In fact, I think an early release date of longhorn would increase linux adoption, because more people would be disinclined at this point in the economic cycle to purchase YAOS (Yet Another Operating System) when they bought XP a couple of years ago. I think what MS is doing is a good strategy for them.
Mozilla Firefox's tagline is "The Browser, Reloaded". (Mozilla stole it from the Matrix sequel, of course.)
The shareholder is always right.
Jeeze sounds like a waste of a perfectly good cdr err wait by then it's DVD-R
...they came up with Windows ME. Not good.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Wait-wait-wait.. so Microsoft is claiming ownership of the name 'Windows' and 'MikeRowe'
Yet they hypocraticly think it's OKAY for them to use the 'Matrix Reloaded' popular name as a platform for their new campaign?
WTF!?
From the article: "A company executive confirmed to CNET News.com on Thursday that Microsoft is now discussing a product internally referred to as "Windows XP Reloaded."
/. ppl spew forth with sad jokes about the lameness of MS' internal code name and the fact that they are a greedy corporate behemoth. 500 posts! All that time and energy taken away from making Linux's star shine even brighter! So if MS does come out with "XP Unloaded", by all means, DON'T UPGRADE. Use Linux, make it better. But PLEASE Slashdot editors: Stop seeding the site with these MS-related "stories". And Slashdot posters: Enough with the masterbatory carping over how STOOPID Microsoft is. We GET IT. NEXT!
So MS is DISCUSSING the POSSIBILITY of an XP re-release. Yup. If MS can add code and apps that they percieve will add value for a significant number of customers, they may package it up and sell it:
* Make software
* Package it
* Sell it
* Support it
* Profit
What a concept! That's what they do. Perhaps the extra revenue will come in handy since it looks like Longhorn will be delayed even longer. But look what happens when story is posted? 500+
Is this sig nificant?
there gonna boot directly into a windows themed version of slackware running on there newly released virtual pc 2004... reloaded = xp loading a real os
XP Retreaded
Apart from serious security upgrades, what does Windows XP actually need? I loved 98 but you had to reboot after changing any network settings and it effectively maxed out at 384 of RAM. XP doesn't have any annoyances of that magnitude that I can think of.
As they said in Ghostbusters, "The door swings both ways". So yeah, there'll be a new method of advertising that gets by the popup blocking we currently use. But we're always going to be able to develop a better ad blocker. Serious ad-haters simply block the vast list of ad serving IP's. No advertising technology will get past that one, and the business model most commonly used is to keep ads on different servers from the actual web information.
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Yeah, the word "Lindows" infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property, but "XP Reloaded" doesn't infringe on anybody else's ideas. It's a totally original concept. Right.
After a partial release of the source code. Honestly, I thought that this is all the discussion would be about and instead i found 85 "+5 Funny Matrix Reloaded Windows Rebooted" comments. Howabout the fact that the code windowsXP is based on was leaked to the internet last week. If you thought windows was full of holes two weeks ago that was just the beginning. Microsoft is in the position of never getting a liscencing fee again if their product starts to fail big corporations (many of whom are still running the "older" win2k that was released.
I view this as more of a sign that MS realizes that the source code leak was more of an incredible disaster than they are letting on....Even throwing in some absurd comment about never having a sploit in windows before a patch just to draw your attention away from the real news: "Microsoft admits winXP no longer secure by even their definitions, unscheduled major overhaul coming."
---- The real Slashdot is still here. You just have to browse at -1 to read the comments.
I wonder how long it will take for the creators of The Matrix and The Matrix Reloaded to sue them... anyone care to start a betting pool?
What do I want this for? I'm okay with the present interface. What can I do with "XP reloaded" that I can't do now with XP-Pro?
Oh yeah, but the name is soooo cool. I can see myself wearing sunglasses and a black leather jacket while surfing for pr0n.
Its a special edition for all you who loved Windows ME
Back in my day, the web was a place where people voluntarily put stuff they wanted to be public. If all the ad revenue on the net suddenly dried up, and people stopped making money off it, I'd probably be a lot happier. Unemployed, yes, but happier.
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Windows XP Reloaded... as in "I just reloaded it's source into CVS".
Oh no. Imagine a million of those asinine little paperclips. "We've been waiting for you, Mr [fill in the blank]..."
Someone has *got* to port the xmatrix screensaver, though...
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
Shoot the marketing department Bill, they didn't see the movie obviously.
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What about Mozilla Firefox, the browser reloaded?
"You do not support the root but the root supports you." - Romans 11:18
Windows Me was an interim release for home users between Windows 98 and Windows XP Home Edition because XP Home Edition was so long in coming and they needed the money. So what did they do? The rushed an inferior and buggy product out the door that contained some new code. Not a lot mind you, but just enough to totally fuck things up. Now they announce an interium release of Windows between Windows XP and Longhorn because Longhorn is going to be a long way off. I have a funny feeling this will be a Windows Me style release all over again. They'll rush some buggy POS out the door that has some new stuff. Not all of it mind you, just enough to totally fuck things up. You'll excuse me Bill G if I laugh and pass on this one!
Is there something missing here?
and how would this version be different then the current version, which you already have to reload a lot? I guess there will be some added code to blue screen, or registry 'fixes', like when reading /. or visiting the apple something, but totally more web oriented.
and after they release it they can do XP Revolutions which will make users not only Reload windows but zero the harddrive then reload, revolution eh? oh and also have multiple blue screens of death for events that are long and drawn out much like death scenes in a certain movie with the same name as the operating system.
-- Ben --
Right... except the interesting thing that happened with Win '98SE is that mysteriously, nearly all of the systems running '98 became '98SE boxes - despite '98SE not even being sold seperately as an "upgrade" version.
Except for the most staunch "anti piracy" types, most Win '98 users felt well within their rights to upgrade their older '98 release using "borrowed" copies of '98SE. People quickly saw through the explanation that it was "only created to address needs of newer systems it was bundled with", and decided MS owed them a copy of SE to fix crashes, bugs, and poor support for some of their devices (internal modems, etc.).
I think the same will happen if MS decides to charge for this "XP Reloaded" edition of XP. They'll get whatever sales they'd automatically get anyway because it's bundled with new system purchases, but the majority of current XP owners will just upgrade "on the sly" and wave around their old XP CD key and "authenticity" paperwork/stickers if asked if they really "bought their OS".
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Har har.
Actually the original poster is correct, ME was a stopgap or "interim" release, probably intentionally lousy to get people to switch from the ageing 95 platform to the more robust NT kernel. You had two choices, switch to 2000, or the less risky choice, from a hardware perspective, of ME. So obviously 2000 had to be release before or at the same time as ME. Luckily for you and others, there will no longer be this confusion as M$ now only provides one choice: XP.
they should call it Windows Restarted haha
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You can't handle the truth.
Try using tabbed browsing in Firefox or Mozilla before you start claiming it's useless. I use tabbed browsers exclusively on Windows.
This choice has nothing to do with window management by any particular OS, and everything to do with my browsing habits. I presently have 16 tabs open in my browser. I'm a translator, I need to have lots of things open at once -- online references like Wikipedia, corporate IR pages, and dictionaries; Google; my webmail; and other fun things like Slashdot :).
Any windowing system becomes unacceptably cluttered if I use untabbed browsing and try to accomplish the same effect. ALT-TAB becomes a mess.
And for that matter, try using a mature *nix distro before you make unfounded (or perhaps just misinformed) accusations.
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
I'm waiting for the spiritual conclusion, "Windows: Reveloutions" where we see Bill Gates portrayed as the savior of human-kind. Maybe the Windows logo will change to a cross when you shutdown too.
-- If we don't stand up for our rights, now, there will be no right to stand up for them later.
Because Longhorn is a desktop OS.
Longhorn is not a server OS.
Maybe you were being funny, but I thought it would be worth pointing out so that people don't think this is a serious issue.
When I read this story today, I was thinking the same thing at work today since I work for SQA department. :)
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Try using tabbed browsing in Firefox or Mozilla before you start claiming it's useless. I use tabbed browsers exclusively on Windows.
:).
I use opera. Opera, by default, is configured with tabbed browsing. One of the first things I turn off, too.
This choice has nothing to do with window management by any particular OS, and everything to do with my browsing habits. I presently have 16 tabs open in my browser. I'm a translator, I need to have lots of things open at once -- online references like Wikipedia, corporate IR pages, and dictionaries; Google; my webmail; and other fun things like Slashdot
If you use windows, you can group like tasks on the start menu easily enough. If you use Linux, then depending on the capabilities of your window manager you might be able to find a solution. One thing is for certain: If you rely on your web browser for window management then your operating system is lacking or you are not using it correctly. Which is why tabbed browsing is abhorrent.
Any windowing system becomes unacceptably cluttered if I use untabbed browsing and try to accomplish the same effect. ALT-TAB becomes a mess.
On the other hand, by using tabbed browsing, you lose about 50% of your screen to tabs for all the windows you have open, right? I value my real estate more than most people then.
And for that matter, try using a mature *nix distro before you make unfounded (or perhaps just misinformed) accusations.
Ahh and the inevitable personal attack, this is what really sells Linux to the general populace. I use Redhat 9.0 when I'm not using Windows, but I've used several different distros and window managers in the past. The high level of fragmentation in Linux makes window management even more difficult, as one method for management will work fine on one desktop, but it won't on another without configuring it the same way first. Windows tends to act very predictably no matter where you find it, however.
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cLive ;-)
-- Trinity in high heels carrying a whip: The donimatrix - there is no spoonerism
So it is really a Cadillac commercial posing as an OS ? Or is it a Glock commercial posing as an OS? I hope it has those cool cell phones too.
"Nothing is impossible for the man who refuses to listen to reason"
Issuing an update to XP would represent a significant shift for the software maker, which for months has insisted that it had no plans to create a separate version of Windows before Longhorn.
This is all good. It's a clear sign that they're getting shaky, that they don't know what to do.
What's that oft-used Gandhi quote that ends with 'we win'?
The link is to http://news.com.com-- not news.com. How did several hundred tech nerds get duped by a juvenile trick like this!?! schmoko.
go to www.news.com and see what happens to your address bar.
I find Windows Rebooted would be a better name!
Didn't see that coming... 'Cause the "alpha" of Longhorn dosen't look a thing like XP updated a bit... SE maybe... or taking a cue from squarenix, "XP-2" (same old shit, looks slightly better). Now if they'd mail out service pack cd's for ME, then I'd be excited...
Shift happens. Fire it up.
You would think microsoft would learn something from Windows ME.
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A couple thoughts --
I've gotten used to using ALT-TAB to switch between apps, as in browser to word processor, so for me, tabs are great. Sure, I can bundle like app windows under Windows or Linux, but that just doesn't fit my personal style. Go figure.
On the other hand, by using tabbed browsing, you lose about 50% of your screen to tabs for all the windows you have open, right? I value my real estate more than most people then.
I hear you about screen real estate. But then you have me confused; what browser do you use that takes up half the screen just for the tabs? Does Opera do that? I haven't messed with it in a while, as Opera had problems rendering Japanese. Firefox uses barely a pinky's-width, about as much as the URL bar. Maybe as much as 1/8 of the screen for the app bar, menu bar, URL bar, tab bar, and status bar together.
If you rely on your web browser for window management then your operating system is lacking or you are not using it correctly. Which is why tabbed browsing is abhorrent.
I smell a stylistic issue here. Your response nicely showed that my points were partly based on my ignorance of your experience. Forgive me for that. However, "you are not using (your OS) correctly" seems to carry things a bit too far -- part of any good system is the flexibility to use it in many different ways, no? If I choose to group my browser windows in the browser, I fail to see what sin lies in that.
Ahh and the inevitable personal attack,
Actually, a fine point, but I think I was attacking your comments to the effect that *nix systems don't manage windows well. Nothing ad hominem in that.
I use Redhat 9.0 when I'm not using Windows, but I've used several different distros and window managers in the past. The high level of fragmentation in Linux makes window management even more difficult, as one method for management will work fine on one desktop, but it won't on another without configuring it the same way first.
By "desktop" I assume you mean either "windows manager" or "linux distro", rather than the various virtual desktops provided in a single X session. If this is correct, your statement is quite similar to "window management doesn't work the same on several different OSes.
Um, yes. Windows and the Windows window manager are inseparable; the OS and the desktop are one and the same. Swapping desktop managers under linux is effectively similar to changing the complete userland OS under the Windows monolithic paradigm. To exaggerate a little, your comment is a little like "it doesn't work the same on Mac as it does on Windows". Or for the linux savvy, "Gnome and KDE are different." No surprises there.
I'll grant you that a greater level of standardization would be lovely, not just for the end user but for developers as well. I think that's what the Freedesktop.org project is all about, so this is in the works.
Windows tends to act very predictably no matter where you find it, however.
You bring up a good point here -- Windows, through its hegemony, offers a common user experience. There is something of value in this, and the OSS community would be unwise to sneer. Thankfully, many seem wise enough to save the baby from the bathwater, and are putting in the effort to find what works in Windows.
To hearken back to your earlier posting:
Everything in MS applications looks and feels the same, this is what has enabled MS to keep the desktop, and it's a key point of failure for linux on the desktop.
A good point -- the Principle of Least Surprise plays in here. Users expect a particular look and feel, in terms of where menu items are if not necessarily the specific widget set. Straying from this de facto standard of expectations will almost inevitably make a program less popular. Ask anyone who's used Adobe graphics products versus, say,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
it'll have a pager and virtual desktops and they'll call it an innovation???
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Were all aware that the name reloaded referes to a terrible cash cow of a movie and that this crappy os is similar in nature but 500 people have already said it. I love that linux is finally putting pressure on microsoft. They may inprove with Longhorn, but this interim release will suck (terrible flash back of ME, people paid me to downgrade their pc's to 98se). I will never go back until i can root# emerge windowskernel-x.0.0. Like that will ever happen. Man I love portage. But seriously I love the new Athlon 64's and I wanna see some OS support. I hope a suitable new realses of the GNOME and productivity apps like Ooo with 64-bit support are realesed before Longhorn.
.... just like its namesake film.
Have a nice day!
X-Pukem?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Someone is going to get sued. That know "Reloaded" things brings all kinds of name issues. Man people are sue happy these days.
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2) Windows Re-installed from scratch.
3) Windows Removed.
4) Windows Replaced (with an OS that works better...)
I'm not going to comment on the whole movie=crap, os=crap thing. I can just imagine some suit in MS marketing
'Matrix is cool and popular; if we call it XP Reloaded so can we'
Seriously I need to go into marketing. The only industry where u can get away with being a complete moron.
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"Windows XP Revolutions" - The fork() of B. Gates.
Personally, I did this perfectly legally. Microsoft Europe, in some bizarre moment of benevolence, shipped me a free "Second Edition Upgrade" disk that turned 98 into 98SE in return for the proof of purchase bit off the retail 98 box.
Of course, I then proceeded to do a fresh install with an OEM copy of SE rather than use the upgrade disc, as I then had fewer random bits of cruft lying around. But thats another story.
"I Know You Are But What Am I?"
Red and blue pills included.
Nope! ther are paracetamols
Windows is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you boot up, when you go to work, when you pay your taxes. It is the OS that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
...into this: *holds up a Duracel*
What truth?
That you are a slave, Neo. Like evreyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison you cannot taste or smell or touch. A prison for your computer.
What is XP? Control. XP is a system, built in order to change a human being...
One of the major obstacles in the way of broader adoption of GNU/Linux and Free Software in general has been lock-in to Microsoft's proprietary file formats. OpenOffice.org is a good attack on this, but MS has a lot of smart people working on new lock-in strategies. In my view, currently the "digital rights management" stuff is the most dangerous of these, especially in view of the DMCA.
XP
XP Reloaded
XP Revolution
why not just call it millenium XP
If you rely on your web browser for window management then your operating system is lacking or you are not using it correctly.
Oh yes, XP is definitely lacking a way of grouping all those 32 IE windows into one window (note that I did not say task bar group), making it easy to switch between the different pages.
Of course I could just continue using firebird, which does this nicely.
"XP Relinquished" is more apt.
Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently. - Henry Ford
This is actually the scheme used, except the third number is the build number. This is a huge number that increments every day, but is exactly what you propose, in a sense: each day sees many small fixes and increments to the code base.
What Marketing calls "Windows XP" internally carries the product name "Windows" and the version number "5.1.2600".
One will note that this reveals that Windows XP is considered a minor release from Windows 2k, which was 5.0.2195.
I am already running XP reloaded, and reloaded, and reloaded, and reloaded again. Every 3 to 6 months it is reloaded otherwise my PC become completely incumbered by Microsoft's cruft. They should call it XP reformatted, reinstalled, and reconfigured :)
Doesn't Windows Reloaded soudn a lot like Matrix Reloaded? I mean they even made a Matrix spoof.
MS Windows is no longer an OS, it's just a marketting stunt.
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As it's "Reloaded" it has an SSH client, SSH-Nuke and an old version of nmap!
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...you must experience it for yourself.
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I have been, "Reloading", Windows for years. I don't need a new version for that just for that purpose. :)
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Like the namesake for the 'Matrix', I bet it won't be as good as the first.
That its software is like a gun to your head.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
It's for MONEY. You are correct, their upgrade revenue stream needs some more cash. For what, I don't know. Microsoft has more money than most small countries.
I've heard it likened to a pasta machine. The pasta is always coming out the spout, every so often Microsoft cuts some off and sells it.
Money!
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It just hangs there, as though suspended in mid-air....
I'm not a human, but I play one on T.V.
Rebooted was good, but rebloaded has got to be my favorite. All joking aside they may really have a reason for wanting to do this. Currently I have been evaluating the new windows 2003 for the company I work for. We are an M$ partner in crime. Anywho my point is when I installed 2003 the first thing that struck me was how fast and responsive it was. Not just compared to a XP install, but while running a webserver, dns, and all sorts of other extra server process that have no business running on a desktop it runs faster then w2k pro. If they can make the XP client run a bit quicker, especially running .net apps it may be a good thing.
And I am sure making a few exta million to this is not a bad thing from their perspective.
Time to put on the hip-waders people the bullshit is getting pretty thick in here today.....
So Microsoft seems to be trying to associate Windows XP to the Matrix, which was essentially software that got out of hand and enslaved humanity.
Very interesting.
"Calling it an interim {money} release {money}is overstating the {money} current {money} plan," Sullivan said. "We are exploring {money} ways to {make more money} add {money} value to {money}Windows {money} XP." OR... "...{I need to get a new yatch and if this idea pans out even just a bit. I will be so MONEY!}"
All weather is caused by the uneven heating of the Earth by the Sun. Global warming magnifies the effect. Hot spots get hotter, and do so faster, causing a larger temperature differential. Higher temperature make water evaporate faster, causing more clouds, which causes even more uneven heating.
In the short term this causes more extreme conditions -- larger storms occuring more frequently, hotter summers, colder winters, more erratic and unseasonable temperature changes, and so forth. More severe storms disrupt the hydrological cycle, dumping all thier rain in one area, causing flooding in some places and droughts elsewhere. In the longer term it causes major climatic shifts -- changes in ocean currents in wind patterns.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
I can almost hear John Lennon singing as I read this... *sniff*
A classic like Windows deserves a classic name:
Armageddon Now
He was installing NT 4.0 and telling me how *great* it was, because it was designed for businesses etc, and (he said) "it never crashes".
He got about 3 minutes into the install before the first crash. It crashed 4 times before he finished the install. Unless you count patching your system as part of the install process >:->
shocking right? =P
Watching Windows boot up in bullet time.
...and start subtracting crappiness
I would love to subtract/erradicate Outlook Express and Windows Messenger completely from XP Pro Sp1.
Bill bought the digital rights to every possible movie title a few years back.
isn't that what you have to do about every month anyway is 'reload' xp cause its such a piece of dog shit ??
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