Have you tried the gatos project? I haven't gotten around to using it yet but that is where develpoment for ATI TV I/O happens. I know they have X drivers and video for linux drivers. I'm not sure how good there TV out support is but I would assume its better than the drivers that come with XFree86.
Well in NYC the department of sanitation takes away trash for homes and certian non profits for free. There funded through taxes. Also in NYC and Nassau ad Suffolk Counties (Long island) "waste management" companies are usually mafia frontends.
Funniest think I've ever read on slashdot. Also the truest.
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Yeah, but some people do look through the source code. Even if we were to assume most people looking at other peopels source code are looking for exploitable security vulnerabilities, that would still eventually lead to the general public finding out about spyware type things. Also, though not for security reasons, I've read through source code for programs I installed on my computer. My reasons were to attempt to modify source code. Sometimes I did and sent in patches, sometimes I decided not to for several factors.
Well my little brother plays diable 2 on 800x600 mode. Also it was finiky in 640x480 with the graphic adapter. It would flicker constantly. I had to dig out a 14" monitor to install windows 2000 on it.
also you just gave me another reminder why I have no intent on buying a USB keyboard anytime. Heck I have a usb mouse and it's hooked into the PS/2 jack.
Well PNP keyboards and nice, and it even works with Xfree86 pretty well. Although, if you get a dell PS2 ports are hot swappable. I can't wait for legacy free machines to become mainstream, firewire and USB is all most systems need for externam connectors anyway, besides video I/O that is. Thats probally why I'm looking at getting a mac next computer.
Thats where I get my 21" inch monitors. I tend to go with the cheap ones (sub $200), but they tend to develop problems after a couple of years. One of mine has a spot that tends to be redder than the rest of the monitor and the other stopped doing 800x600 resolution but works fine in other video modes. I'm thinking of spending $350-$400 for the next monitor and having it last a while because I need higher than 1600x1200 resolution anyway. My friends who shell out that kind of money for a monitor tend not to have problems. Of course its easy for me to live with crappy off color monitors cause I mostly need them for slashdot, which looks ugly regardless of monitor, and coding. Every once in a while I'll get into playing doom lan games, but even with all the High res and open GL mods for it its still pretty ugly.
This is the same guy who said network computers were going to take over the industry, about 6 years ago.
Well he was not alone. Sun tried making a java thin client. IBM of transition the PC market to the dumb terminals on mainframe paradim. And even though we don't realize it we have achieved the network computer model. I'll explain.
Most of our "killer apps" are web based. HTML/CSS/XML has become the Holy Grail works anywhere widget set that spans architectures, character encoding, OSes and the like. However, we don't reconigize this grail because while the grail of Christian mythology was not as Indy put it, "the cup of a carpentener," the grail of IT mythology was never a typesetting paradim that 12 years olds can grasp and 16 year olds can master.
Look at web mail. So many people use it. You can go on a Mac, a vt110 hooked into a vax, an SGI, or a Windows PC and use it with the (almost) same interface. It is the exact paradim as the AS/400 menu based system. Thats why so many AS/400 shops are transitioning from the "green screen" terminal emulators to web based frontends. The users grasp it, the programmers grasp it, and the managers like the buzzwords.
Sure we have so much spare CPU cycles on our PCs, but those are mainly used to run "dumb terminal emulators" like web browsers and the tradition email clients. But the main use of all that power is running legacy MsOffice apps people have yet to port over to a client/server paradim. Also, we are all used to spending between 1-3k for a PC and the industry has been able to deliver better models with alot more than more chrome each year. Notice, as an aside, that as people talk of moores law slowing or breaking that indeed computers are getting much prettier. Perhaps its just coincidence. But while were drawing comparisions to the auto industry, how much fossil fuel is burned by coal powered generators to power the 450 watt power supply you have there? How long before nader writes "Unclean at any clock cycle?"
Mabey we just need enough bandwidth where several 32bit color 1600x1200 vnc session will transmit fine and we can finally have web based spreadsheets. The "newest" of these tools was probally groupware. I say newest in that we had word processors, spreadsheets, xbase style databases that were very similar to how we know them today long before Lotus Groupwise. This tool being the newest and most recently perfected is already integrated onto the web. Goldmine, Lotus and Outlook all can be run via web interfaces.
Maybe its not that Ellison's conclusion has not come true, but that it has yet to come true.
Well through clever use of expire tags and such proxy servers are non issue. However a full blown mirror takes that away. Google caches are designed so most people only use them then the page is not currently accessible. You only tend to click on the cached version after the rgular version.
Well it would appear in your case the problem threating you employment is your personal performance. Not that I'm getting all holier than though. Programming is a creative task probally not meant to be done on a 9-5 schedule. We've all had our lack of performance issues. However, that don't mean every time you lose a job in thie market its the fault of "the economy"
Beware of the porn collections of bi-curious girls. They tend to throw in sausage orgies "accidently mislabeled" just to mess with your head. huh-huh, I said head.
Believe it or not, there are sites out there with more bandwidth than Slashdot, and AOL-Time-Warner sites are a prime example.
Yes, but the tru power of slashdot is the concentration of that bandwidth being used to deliver a single page full of links, and the large amount of people who upon seeing a new story, will click on the links in it. Shashdot probally does indeed put a dent in AOL time warners available bandwidth, I also doubt that very few sites, mabey CNN and MSN could indeed harness the power of its readership to produce a slashdot like effect. Of course If MSN or CNN were to attempt to slashdot slashdot, they probally would. Then again, the revenue generated via the ad clicking would be great.
Your analogy is slightly flawed. There definatly certain conditions were you want a stick shift car. However, the auto industry is not forcing you into getting an automatic transmission, and the current stat of automatic transmissions, slap sticks, and other gear shifting technologies has made it so even in racing an automatic is becoming preferable. Also, some automatic cars are designed so if you downshift, it will indeed bring you down a gear immediatly.
Microsoft, at least according to your claims, which I tend to side with, Is not offering the user the option of control. You can get a car with a manual transmission. However, you cannot get a Microsoft OS and, for example, not install Internet explorer. It has been demonstrated that you can indeed remove IE from windows and still have the OS function, The automakers increase you level of choice, and truely innovate, by making an automatic transmission. Microsoft made IE, forced it down everyones throats, and minus activeX, which mainly serves a a method of locking you in to IE, Offers no great innovation.
Well by neccessity, the automatic transmission forced a UI change. There isn't a clutch in an automatic transmission. Obvisiously, the real innovation there was in the internal workings, but there was a UI change associatesd with it.
I'd hate to see your programming skills if you fail to see that fact.
You need to take my comment as it was meant to be taken. Linksys nat boxes have there place> Cisco routers have there place. However, you can do alot with a "pentiums out of dumpsters." There are some issues.
First of all initial setup will be hard, especially if your rolling you own and not using a floppy router distro.
Secondly, it can be hard to avoid the temptation not to strip down the system to bare minimum.
The best thing to do is have two similar machines running the same OS, one as a router and the other on the inside of your network will development tools. Then you can recompile rpms, or rebuild your source tree if your running OpenBSD, nfs mount the rpms, or/usr/src and/usr/obj if your running openbsd, and update your OS. Then again you should only be updating for a good reason. You can do some port fowarding magic so that you can ssh into the box inside the network from the outside world and that can serve as your shell account you use for quick nmaps and the like.
Well why would I want a CCNA admining my PCI-BUS 486 with a bunch of nic cards slapped in it. I know cisco certified people tend to be good at other stuff, but I'd much rather have an OpenBSD expert adminning it, no wait I'd rather admin it myself. Then again with softupdates and the like and a rock solid OS, what is this router administration you speak of?
Cost? I did pentiums out of dumpsters.
Linksys routers? You expect me to configure my router via http? I don't even get to tfp configuration files? What are you crazy?
Cisco? You want me to overpay for a propietary closed source OS. Sure it cam from berkley, but until gcc is ported to IOS I'll be rolling my own router. Besides, its good to have tht backup unix box for just when you need it.
From what I heard kde has a great gui PPP config tool. I'm also sure a local ISP would support the special version of linux if it gave them a monolopy on there money. It would be trivial to write a perl script that asks for your username, password, and which access number you would liek to use and edit the ppp confil file with all other things being equal. The geeks assembling these things would get the modem working in them. Heck, when recieving one of these computers, the end user could opt in for the internet package where he buys the 56k modem at cost from the non profit that is known to work with linux and it gets popped in and the ISP gives the dialup info to the tech and he sets it all up.
The hard part here, getting the geeks together to do this. Also finding the market.
MSDN can be hard to navigate as well. It all depends on what exactly your looking up. Have you tried the info pages. Most GNU software uses info as its main documentation. Many GNU man pages refer you to infro for the mst accurate info.
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Have you tried the gatos project? I haven't gotten around to using it yet but that is where develpoment for ATI TV I/O happens. I know they have X drivers and video for linux drivers. I'm not sure how good there TV out support is but I would assume its better than the drivers that come with XFree86.
Well in NYC the department of sanitation takes away trash for homes and certian non profits for free. There funded through taxes. Also in NYC and Nassau ad Suffolk Counties (Long island) "waste management" companies are usually mafia frontends.
Funniest think I've ever read on slashdot. Also the truest.
Yeah, but some people do look through the source code. Even if we were to assume most people looking at other peopels source code are looking for exploitable security vulnerabilities, that would still eventually lead to the general public finding out about spyware type things. Also, though not for security reasons, I've read through source code for programs I installed on my computer. My reasons were to attempt to modify source code. Sometimes I did and sent in patches, sometimes I decided not to for several factors.
Well my little brother plays diable 2 on 800x600 mode. Also it was finiky in 640x480 with the graphic adapter. It would flicker constantly. I had to dig out a 14" monitor to install windows 2000 on it.
also you just gave me another reminder why I have no intent on buying a USB keyboard anytime. Heck I have a usb mouse and it's hooked into the PS/2 jack.
Well PNP keyboards and nice, and it even works with Xfree86 pretty well. Although, if you get a dell PS2 ports are hot swappable. I can't wait for legacy free machines to become mainstream, firewire and USB is all most systems need for externam connectors anyway, besides video I/O that is. Thats probally why I'm looking at getting a mac next computer.
Thats where I get my 21" inch monitors. I tend to go with the cheap ones (sub $200), but they tend to develop problems after a couple of years. One of mine has a spot that tends to be redder than the rest of the monitor and the other stopped doing 800x600 resolution but works fine in other video modes. I'm thinking of spending $350-$400 for the next monitor and having it last a while because I need higher than 1600x1200 resolution anyway. My friends who shell out that kind of money for a monitor tend not to have problems. Of course its easy for me to live with crappy off color monitors cause I mostly need them for slashdot, which looks ugly regardless of monitor, and coding. Every once in a while I'll get into playing doom lan games, but even with all the High res and open GL mods for it its still pretty ugly.
CMU scientist guessed that networks of such machines would mean the end of timesharing by the mid/late 80's.
The human desire for individual ownership will never let that happen.
Well Linux doesnt have much of anything but a bunch of device drivers and a system call to init which loads up the rest of a GNU system.
This is the same guy who said network computers were going to take over the industry, about 6 years ago.
Well he was not alone. Sun tried making a java thin client. IBM of transition the PC market to the dumb terminals on mainframe paradim. And even though we don't realize it we have achieved the network computer model. I'll explain.
Most of our "killer apps" are web based. HTML/CSS/XML has become the Holy Grail works anywhere widget set that spans architectures, character encoding, OSes and the like. However, we don't reconigize this grail because while the grail of Christian mythology was not as Indy put it, "the cup of a carpentener," the grail of IT mythology was never a typesetting paradim that 12 years olds can grasp and 16 year olds can master.
Look at web mail. So many people use it. You can go on a Mac, a vt110 hooked into a vax, an SGI, or a Windows PC and use it with the (almost) same interface. It is the exact paradim as the AS/400 menu based system. Thats why so many AS/400 shops are transitioning from the "green screen" terminal emulators to web based frontends. The users grasp it, the programmers grasp it, and the managers like the buzzwords.
Sure we have so much spare CPU cycles on our PCs, but those are mainly used to run "dumb terminal emulators" like web browsers and the tradition email clients. But the main use of all that power is running legacy MsOffice apps people have yet to port over to a client/server paradim. Also, we are all used to spending between 1-3k for a PC and the industry has been able to deliver better models with alot more than more chrome each year. Notice, as an aside, that as people talk of moores law slowing or breaking that indeed computers are getting much prettier. Perhaps its just coincidence. But while were drawing comparisions to the auto industry, how much fossil fuel is burned by coal powered generators to power the 450 watt power supply you have there? How long before nader writes "Unclean at any clock cycle?"
Mabey we just need enough bandwidth where several 32bit color 1600x1200 vnc session will transmit fine and we can finally have web based spreadsheets. The "newest" of these tools was probally groupware. I say newest in that we had word processors, spreadsheets, xbase style databases that were very similar to how we know them today long before Lotus Groupwise. This tool being the newest and most recently perfected is already integrated onto the web. Goldmine, Lotus and Outlook all can be run via web interfaces.
Maybe its not that Ellison's conclusion has not come true, but that it has yet to come true.
Well until someone makes replacement WADS for all the sprites and stuff ala freedoom.
I would use sharks with freaking laster beams personally.
Well through clever use of expire tags and such proxy servers are non issue. However a full blown mirror takes that away. Google caches are designed so most people only use them then the page is not currently accessible. You only tend to click on the cached version after the rgular version.
Well it would appear in your case the problem threating you employment is your personal performance. Not that I'm getting all holier than though. Programming is a creative task probally not meant to be done on a 9-5 schedule. We've all had our lack of performance issues. However, that don't mean every time you lose a job in thie market its the fault of "the economy"
Beware of the porn collections of bi-curious girls. They tend to throw in sausage orgies "accidently mislabeled" just to mess with your head. huh-huh, I said head.
Believe it or not, there are sites out there with more bandwidth than Slashdot, and AOL-Time-Warner sites are a prime example.
Yes, but the tru power of slashdot is the concentration of that bandwidth being used to deliver a single page full of links, and the large amount of people who upon seeing a new story, will click on the links in it. Shashdot probally does indeed put a dent in AOL time warners available bandwidth, I also doubt that very few sites, mabey CNN and MSN could indeed harness the power of its readership to produce a slashdot like effect. Of course If MSN or CNN were to attempt to slashdot slashdot, they probally would. Then again, the revenue generated via the ad clicking would be great.
Ok but XV is a direct rendering extension for X. And it works nice. Whats the issue here?
Your analogy is slightly flawed. There definatly certain conditions were you want a stick shift car. However, the auto industry is not forcing you into getting an automatic transmission, and the current stat of automatic transmissions, slap sticks, and other gear shifting technologies has made it so even in racing an automatic is becoming preferable. Also, some automatic cars are designed so if you downshift, it will indeed bring you down a gear immediatly.
Microsoft, at least according to your claims, which I tend to side with, Is not offering the user the option of control. You can get a car with a manual transmission. However, you cannot get a Microsoft OS and, for example, not install Internet explorer. It has been demonstrated that you can indeed remove IE from windows and still have the OS function, The automakers increase you level of choice, and truely innovate, by making an automatic transmission. Microsoft made IE, forced it down everyones throats, and minus activeX, which mainly serves a a method of locking you in to IE, Offers no great innovation.
Well by neccessity, the automatic transmission forced a UI change. There isn't a clutch in an automatic transmission. Obvisiously, the real innovation there was in the internal workings, but there was a UI change associatesd with it.
I'd hate to see your programming skills if you fail to see that fact.
- How many cars have a choke control today?
- Three on the tree shifters on the steering colum came and went
- the automatic transmission
- the eletric flywheel (developed for a caddy)
- power steering
- power brakes
- the automatic transmission
- digital spedometers. not very popular but some exist
- egronomic improvements
To borrow from Theo DeRaat, the car industry has been evolutionary rather than revolutionary.You need to take my comment as it was meant to be taken. Linksys nat boxes have there place> Cisco routers have there place. However, you can do alot with a "pentiums out of dumpsters." There are some issues. /usr/src and /usr/obj if your running openbsd, and update your OS. Then again you should only be updating for a good reason. You can do some port fowarding magic so that you can ssh into the box inside the network from the outside world and that can serve as your shell account you use for quick nmaps and the like.
First of all initial setup will be hard, especially if your rolling you own and not using a floppy router distro.
Secondly, it can be hard to avoid the temptation not to strip down the system to bare minimum.
The best thing to do is have two similar machines running the same OS, one as a router and the other on the inside of your network will development tools. Then you can recompile rpms, or rebuild your source tree if your running OpenBSD, nfs mount the rpms, or
Well why would I want a CCNA admining my PCI-BUS 486 with a bunch of nic cards slapped in it. I know cisco certified people tend to be good at other stuff, but I'd much rather have an OpenBSD expert adminning it, no wait I'd rather admin it myself. Then again with softupdates and the like and a rock solid OS, what is this router administration you speak of?
Cost? I did pentiums out of dumpsters.
Linksys routers? You expect me to configure my router via http? I don't even get to tfp configuration files? What are you crazy?
Cisco? You want me to overpay for a propietary closed source OS. Sure it cam from berkley, but until gcc is ported to IOS I'll be rolling my own router. Besides, its good to have tht backup unix box for just when you need it.
From what I heard kde has a great gui PPP config tool. I'm also sure a local ISP would support the special version of linux if it gave them a monolopy on there money. It would be trivial to write a perl script that asks for your username, password, and which access number you would liek to use and edit the ppp confil file with all other things being equal. The geeks assembling these things would get the modem working in them. Heck, when recieving one of these computers, the end user could opt in for the internet package where he buys the 56k modem at cost from the non profit that is known to work with linux and it gets popped in and the ISP gives the dialup info to the tech and he sets it all up.
The hard part here, getting the geeks together to do this. Also finding the market.
New slogan: Dewd, your getting my old Dell!!!
MSDN can be hard to navigate as well. It all depends on what exactly your looking up. Have you tried the info pages. Most GNU software uses info as its main documentation. Many GNU man pages refer you to infro for the mst accurate info.