Appreciated. For those who do not click through on that link, here is a statement from one of the sources provided on Wikipedia: "We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!"
I certainly cannot claim that there are no scientists who, from certain persuasions, would definitely have an opinion on Evolution vs. Creation/Intelligent Design. I can also give this caution. To those of you who think that some who believe in Intelligent Design or Creation are 'ignorant', 'naive', or 'guileless' might think about others in human history who disagreed with each other.
Good answer, I appreciate it. I am not sure if I can give a response to you of as high quality. I always want to try to avoid the way of speaking that a person commonly finds when this topic comes up, that of dismissal, personal attacks, angry retorts, etc.
In any event, the best I can come up with to further the conversation is to ask you this: Couldn't we also ask 'If there is a Creator, why didn't he give us super powers?'
I like that, someone disagrees with evolution, so they are morons? I know I'm being a little unnecessarily sarcastic here, but where have I heard that before?
Since you mention Creationism, I want to also mention that Creationism is not the only viewpoint of those who believe in creation as described in the Bible. As a Jehovah's Witness, I feel fairly well educated about the matter*. One of the things that I have learned about the Bible, that I often hear being associated with Creationism, is that in Genesis 1, where the creative days are described, the "days" are not referring to "24-hour periods".
From Awake magazine, September 2006: "The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4)
* No, I am not a biology professor. No I don't think that I know everything. Please do not presume so or criticize me for not knowing everything.
I like your point about the livers. could you humor me: if there was an intelligent designer or even a Creator, would it be possible that he would use similar anatomical parts for different animals?
That is, such as a citation? Some example of what you speak as to further the topic? Really if you think about it, you've got home field advantage by picking the example and forcing it to stand or fall.
I see there is a lot of critical thinking going on here.
For discussion/perspective: Proverbs 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Note an important difference between what I see many others argue and this: It's not just whether doing what Jehovah God desires is obviously beneficial or otherwise. Nor is it doing so out of duty. Rather, most important and easiest to do when you are 'of that persuasion', is doing so out of love for God and a desire to please him.
The issue I take with this article is the blanket statement of "wall street". You can't blame every thing that may or may not have happened financially on "Wall Street".
Okay, I'll take that offer. Thank you though for expressing your opinion politely, and for inviting a response.
In World War II, Jehovah's Witnesses refused to take up arms on any and all sides of the conflict. This is because Jehovah's Witnesses endeavor to do like the first century Christians; Jesus said that his followers were "no part of the world" and that "all those who take the sword will perish by the sword."(John 15:19; Matthew 26:52). During the second World War, this earned them persecution from many of the countries involved.
This though, is not to say that they are pacifists, because they recognize God's right to wage war. They do not participate in wars because they realize that only Jehovah has the solution for all of the problems on the Earth, as well as the Power to accomplish that. More to the point of this issue, I'd like to quote directly this scripture, which shows God's means for cleaning the Earth of wickedness:
Jeremiah 25:31-33:
31 “‘A noise will certainly come clear to the farthest part of the earth, for there is a controversy that Jehovah has with the nations. He must personally put himself in judgment with all flesh. As regards the wicked ones, he must give them to the sword,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.
32 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.’
Note: As a resource for this comment, I used the May 8, 1997 Awake Magazine. Also, I'm willing to provide further notation/sources on request.
Further, it sounds like 'monopoly' is being used like it's a dirty word, but is a monopoly automatically a bad thing? I'm not asking is it ever a bad thing, but rather is it fundamentally a bad thing.
Look guys, do you know that the Government will spend $1.60 per dollar it takes in in revenue this year? That works out on a $4 Trillion-some budget to be ~$1.4 Trillion dollars of additional debt.
The future?
$1 Trillion each year in the red. Nevermind the unfunded liabilities of medicare and medicaid.
That means:
You have to CUT! lots of spending has to be cut! If you want those programs to go ahead regardless, then send in a cheque and help them fund it!
Just my opinion,
Regards
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I would like to add two more examples, that have soul and emotion:
Final Fantasy VI
Chrono Trigger
I'm not sure if the words "dead last" are an appropriate match for "eight most important".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve
Appreciated. For those who do not click through on that link, here is a statement from one of the sources provided on Wikipedia: "We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!"
I certainly cannot claim that there are no scientists who, from certain persuasions, would definitely have an opinion on Evolution vs. Creation/Intelligent Design. I can also give this caution. To those of you who think that some who believe in Intelligent Design or Creation are 'ignorant', 'naive', or 'guileless' might think about others in human history who disagreed with each other.
Appreciate your reading this.
Good answer, I appreciate it. I am not sure if I can give a response to you of as high quality. I always want to try to avoid the way of speaking that a person commonly finds when this topic comes up, that of dismissal, personal attacks, angry retorts, etc.
In any event, the best I can come up with to further the conversation is to ask you this: Couldn't we also ask 'If there is a Creator, why didn't he give us super powers?'
I like that, someone disagrees with evolution, so they are morons? I know I'm being a little unnecessarily sarcastic here, but where have I heard that before?
Since you mention Creationism, I want to also mention that Creationism is not the only viewpoint of those who believe in creation as described in the Bible. As a Jehovah's Witness, I feel fairly well educated about the matter*. One of the things that I have learned about the Bible, that I often hear being associated with Creationism, is that in Genesis 1, where the creative days are described, the "days" are not referring to "24-hour periods".
From Awake magazine, September 2006: "The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4)
* No, I am not a biology professor. No I don't think that I know everything. Please do not presume so or criticize me for not knowing everything.
What a nice way of disagreeing with somebody. Did you ever wonder why people who don't believe in evolution are so zealous in expressing themselves?
I like your point about the livers. could you humor me: if there was an intelligent designer or even a Creator, would it be possible that he would use similar anatomical parts for different animals?
Please don't attack me or belittle my question.
The way to deal with it is to tell the student that whether or not they accept evolution, the overwhelming majority of scientists do...
Citation please.
That is, such as a citation? Some example of what you speak as to further the topic? Really if you think about it, you've got home field advantage by picking the example and forcing it to stand or fall.
Nice.
Anything else to add to the conversation?
I see there is a lot of critical thinking going on here.
For discussion/perspective:
Proverbs 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Note an important difference between what I see many others argue and this: It's not just whether doing what Jehovah God desires is obviously beneficial or otherwise. Nor is it doing so out of duty. Rather, most important and easiest to do when you are 'of that persuasion', is doing so out of love for God and a desire to please him.
That's my perspective.
The issue I take with this article is the blanket statement of "wall street". You can't blame every thing that may or may not have happened financially on "Wall Street".
It's a vague statement!!!
Okay, I'll take that offer. Thank you though for expressing your opinion politely, and for inviting a response.
:
In World War II, Jehovah's Witnesses refused to take up arms on any and all sides of the conflict. This is because Jehovah's Witnesses endeavor to do like the first century Christians; Jesus said that his followers were "no part of the world" and that "all those who take the sword will perish by the sword."(John 15:19; Matthew 26:52). During the second World War, this earned them persecution from many of the countries involved.
This though, is not to say that they are pacifists, because they recognize God's right to wage war. They do not participate in wars because they realize that only Jehovah has the solution for all of the problems on the Earth, as well as the Power to accomplish that. More to the point of this issue, I'd like to quote directly this scripture, which shows God's means for cleaning the Earth of wickedness:
Jeremiah 25:31-33
31 “‘A noise will certainly come clear to the farthest part of the earth, for there is a controversy that Jehovah has with the nations. He must personally put himself in judgment with all flesh. As regards the wicked ones, he must give them to the sword,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.
32 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.’
Note: As a resource for this comment, I used the May 8, 1997 Awake Magazine. Also, I'm willing to provide further notation/sources on request.
Fallout quote! The first and 2nd one have such good intro's.
What he said. :)
Further, it sounds like 'monopoly' is being used like it's a dirty word, but is a monopoly automatically a bad thing? I'm not asking is it ever a bad thing, but rather is it fundamentally a bad thing.
Regards
Look guys, do you know that the Government will spend $1.60 per dollar it takes in in revenue this year? That works out on a $4 Trillion-some budget to be ~$1.4 Trillion dollars of additional debt.
The future?
$1 Trillion each year in the red. Nevermind the unfunded liabilities of medicare and medicaid.
That means:
You have to CUT! lots of spending has to be cut! If you want those programs to go ahead regardless, then send in a cheque and help them fund it! Just my opinion, Regards