Re:Why can't it be more like Linux?
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OpenBSD is the only BSD or Linux distro that I actually download off the primary site. I even download Gentoo files off ftp.openbsd.org, as it's a mirror of Gentoo's repository.
It's not very far (network wise) from Shaw's internet backbone, and I regularly get download speeds of 350 k/s or more.
Any Western Canadians out there, give it a try! The server's in Edmonton, AB, it's also known as sunsite.ualberta.ca
For various repairs I've had to do over the years, I've developed a nice toolkit that will handle anything I've seen so far.
* a firewire-ide bridge (here, look for firewire drivedock) * an IDE cable * a floppy cable * a network cable * several usb/serial/parallel cables * a laptop with firewire and a cd burner, IE a Sony Viao or Apple iBook with windows or mac os and linux installed * a hard drive full of cd images for various operating systems * a hard drive full of windows updates/mac updates/updates for whichever UNIXy os you carry with you * a phillips scredriver * a slotted screwdriver * a torx t9 and t8 screwdriver (for laptops) * an external firewire drive to do backups * a USB NIC (here's one) * drivers for the aformentioned USB NIC. * alternatively, a $10 PCI ne2000 NIC. * a stack of cheap cds. * a modem for your computer if it didn't come with one
I also use a Palm m515 with a serial cable and a program called pTelnet wich will act as a serial console program for Linux/BSD and non-free unix machines.
I'm hoping you got +5 Informative for the MacOS part, and not for the glib MS-bashing crap. While Win2K and XP do share a lot of code, there are significant differences (such as drivers running in the user ring)
I was bashing the (l)user who claimed that 10.2 vs 10.1 was a mere point release, which is mathimatically true. Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2 have as many differences between OS X 10.1 and 10.2 as there are between 2K and XP. I know that Win2K and WinXP have signifigant differences, as I use both.
If you had a clue, you would have compared Win2K to the Windows Server 2003 family.
I am looking forward to trying out 2003 server, but I'll have to wait until University starts in September and I can get it legally for free (as in beer). 2K server isn't a bad OS, but I like BSD and Linux better.
In fact Microsoft was selling DOS, Windows and other software when Apple was giving away System (up to 7.0.1/7.5.5)
While that is true, it is also a different situation. Microsoft had to sell software in order to make money. Apple is/was a hardware company, with software solely to sell hardware.
No they're not. Microsoft was doing it first. Win2K was a payed upgrade, as was XP. XP is a point release from NT by the same logic that OS X 10.1 and OS X 10.2 are point releases.
Apple doesn't charge for "point upgrades". OS X 10.2.[1,2,3,4,5,6,7] were free. So what if you had to pay for OS X 10.2? Microsoft made you pay twice for NT 5. Win2K is NT 5.0, XP is NT 5.1. Same difference.
As for variation in Canada, I've never experienced it in person, and even on TV it's only Newfies (who joined the Dominion relatively recently) who sound consistently different enough to place them. I think it might be a bit of an urban legend amongst Americans?
That's true of medium to large cities, but if you deal with farmers and rural folk, you'll see signifigant deviation.
I'm from Saskatoon(SK). I have cousins in Calgary(AB), Taber(AB), Rosetown(SK), Cessford(AB), Saskatoon, and Ontario. I speak similarly to the ones in Calgary and Taber. The rest have noticable accents. Ontario sounds funny to me, but I've gotten used to it over the years. I also met a woman from rural Nova Scotia, and she sounded almost newfieish, but slightly different, and much different from the people I know from Halifax.
So, there is a lot of regional variation in Canada, you just don't hear it because the cities all sound the same.
How so? LGPL allows you to use a licence that isn't GPL. GPL does not. I can't make a program with a BSD or my own licence, I must use the GPL with Qt.
Qt is better, IMHO, but the licence of GTK is better.
One of the things I like about my iBook is that it came with BOTH Software Restore CDs and fresh install CDs. I've used them both, but I've abandoned the Software Restore cds because OSX v10.2 came out, and that's not on the restore cds.
My University's web portal requires Netscape or Mozilla to use certain features like the file transfer and web tests. If you log in using IE and try to use those features it tells you how insecure IE is and gives links to download Mozilla and Netscape.
Heh, the ironic thing is that I still use cygwin, Mac OS X, and Java for my development. The only reason I have it is to build things like MySQL for windows and such.
That might seem cool at first, but then it occurred to me: I'd much rather study CS at a school that is Unix-centric.
My school isn't Unix-centric, but it also isn't MS Centric. The two first year programming classes I took were in Java, which could be done on any of the departments workstations, IE: The "NT Lab", the "Open Source Labs" (NetBSD 1.6/i386), the "Penguin Lab" (Linux), The "Ultra Labs" (Sun), etc.
The second year classes are a little different. They are mostly math and theory but there is Java as well as MIPS assembly. Third year is a lot of C, Java, and unix programming. The OS course is done with BSD iirc. Fourth year, well, I don't know about fourth year yet:)
I won a free copy of Win2K during a promotional giveaway that Microsoft was running when it was first released. I've never had to pay for a Windows OS in my life, and I never will, and this way I can still run Windows legally.
My university is part of the MSDN Academic Alliance. I have legal copies of Visual Studio{6.0 Pro,.Net}, Windows {98, 2000, XP}, various servers, MSDN Library from July of 2002, MASM, and some other stuff. All of it is free (as in beer) to Computer Science majors, and some Engineering students.
Safari uses "WebCore", which is essentially a Mac port of KHTML used on KDE. See here for a Windows port. I don't know if they're working on a browser or not yet. Alternativly, you could install KDE on Cygwin or install a free unix clone like Linux or FreeBSD.
They want a yearly fee for your "my mac" email, or homepage or whatever the hell it is..
It's also a backup service, internet based storage, virus scanning, calendar and address book syncing.
and to keep your MacOSX up, you have to buy the upgrades??
Yeah, you know, like buying commercial software? Wow, that's shocking. I want Frozen Throne for free!!! It's just an upgrade!!! Why do I have to pay for the game twice???
Oh, and then comes along the OS upgrades that you want for your mac, and they won't run unless you buy a new machine
Okay, that's just FUD. Sorry pal, I've run 3 different verrsions of Mac OS on my computer, never had to buy a new one.
Hmmmm, I can install my Mandrake 9.1 distro on a machine 8 to 10 years old, can you do that with your MacOS??
I can install Mac OS 9 on any PowerPC based macintosh up till very recently. I can install Mac OS X on any G3+ Mac. I can install Mandrake 9.1 on my Mac, but I don't want to. Mac OS X has a better interface. I could also install Mandrake on any PCI based Macintosh.
I can actually use that same 8 to 10 year old machine for damn near anything I might want to.
That's super. It really isn't special, so I don't see what your point is. A friend of mine has a Powerbook Duo which he uses every day, that's 10 years old BTW.
And yeah, PC users shop by initial price only, just as Mac users shop by color matching their pullover sweaters to their Machines only.
You mean that all Mac users have snow white or metallic pullover sweaters? Let's not compare Macs of 5 years ago to PCs of today.
So before.. when you guys made the arguement that Macs were better because of quality.. not speed.. you were just saying that because you were jealous of our clock speeds?
No. We still say that they're better because of quality. But now they are better because of quality AND speed.
Good luck with that. You will probably see a PPC970 motherboard at the local computer shop sometime, but it won't be from Apple, and it won't run Mac OS. Linux would scream on these machines, so it isn't a bad investment.
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OpenBSD is the only BSD or Linux distro that I actually download off the primary site. I even download Gentoo files off ftp.openbsd.org, as it's a mirror of Gentoo's repository.
It's not very far (network wise) from Shaw's internet backbone, and I regularly get download speeds of 350 k/s or more.
Any Western Canadians out there, give it a try! The server's in Edmonton, AB, it's also known as sunsite.ualberta.ca
Yeah, but Canada shares timezones with the USA. It would spell things wrong for us Canucks.
For various repairs I've had to do over the years, I've developed a nice toolkit that will handle anything I've seen so far.
* a firewire-ide bridge (here, look for firewire drivedock)
* an IDE cable
* a floppy cable
* a network cable
* several usb/serial/parallel cables
* a laptop with firewire and a cd burner, IE a Sony Viao or Apple iBook with windows or mac os and linux installed
* a hard drive full of cd images for various operating systems
* a hard drive full of windows updates/mac updates/updates for whichever UNIXy os you carry with you
* a phillips scredriver
* a slotted screwdriver
* a torx t9 and t8 screwdriver (for laptops)
* an external firewire drive to do backups
* a USB NIC (here's one)
* drivers for the aformentioned USB NIC.
* alternatively, a $10 PCI ne2000 NIC.
* a stack of cheap cds.
* a modem for your computer if it didn't come with one
I also use a Palm m515 with a serial cable and a program called pTelnet wich will act as a serial console program for Linux/BSD and non-free unix machines.
I'm hoping you got +5 Informative for the MacOS part, and not for the glib MS-bashing crap. While Win2K and XP do share a lot of code, there are significant differences (such as drivers running in the user ring)
I was bashing the (l)user who claimed that 10.2 vs 10.1 was a mere point release, which is mathimatically true. Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2 have as many differences between OS X 10.1 and 10.2 as there are between 2K and XP. I know that Win2K and WinXP have signifigant differences, as I use both.
If you had a clue, you would have compared Win2K to the Windows Server 2003 family.
I am looking forward to trying out 2003 server, but I'll have to wait until University starts in September and I can get it legally for free (as in beer). 2K server isn't a bad OS, but I like BSD and Linux better.
Yeah, then set up Apache to redirect its homepage to http://slashdot.org/
In fact Microsoft was selling DOS, Windows and other software when Apple was giving away System (up to 7.0.1/7.5.5)
While that is true, it is also a different situation. Microsoft had to sell software in order to make money. Apple is/was a hardware company, with software solely to sell hardware.
No they're not. Microsoft was doing it first. Win2K was a payed upgrade, as was XP. XP is a point release from NT by the same logic that OS X 10.1 and OS X 10.2 are point releases.
Apple doesn't charge for "point upgrades". OS X 10.2.[1,2,3,4,5,6,7] were free. So what if you had to pay for OS X 10.2? Microsoft made you pay twice for NT 5. Win2K is NT 5.0, XP is NT 5.1. Same difference.
As for variation in Canada, I've never experienced it in person, and even on TV it's only Newfies (who joined the Dominion relatively recently) who sound consistently different enough to place them. I think it might be a bit of an urban legend amongst Americans?
That's true of medium to large cities, but if you deal with farmers and rural folk, you'll see signifigant deviation.
I'm from Saskatoon(SK). I have cousins in Calgary(AB), Taber(AB), Rosetown(SK), Cessford(AB), Saskatoon, and Ontario. I speak similarly to the ones in Calgary and Taber. The rest have noticable accents. Ontario sounds funny to me, but I've gotten used to it over the years. I also met a woman from rural Nova Scotia, and she sounded almost newfieish, but slightly different, and much different from the people I know from Halifax.
So, there is a lot of regional variation in Canada, you just don't hear it because the cities all sound the same.
a) Qt doesn't become "completely GPL", it becomes BSDL
How is that relavent to my post? The original poster said that GPL was better than GPL.
b) Qt already *is* "completely GPL"
I know, I didn't say otherwise.
c) Qt is also licensed under the QPL, which allows you to use other licenses than the GPL for your software
It isn't on the Macintosh or Windows, so for cross platform coding, it may as well be just GPL.
d) The GPL allows you to use some other licenses for your software, too
It doesn't allow you to use a commercial licence, therefore the LGPL is better for a library like Qt or GTK+.
I could go on, but, really, guys, go read something before posting.
As you can probably see, I did read something before posting... the AC's post to which I was replying. Your post added nothing to the conversation.
How so? LGPL allows you to use a licence that isn't GPL. GPL does not. I can't make a program with a BSD or my own licence, I must use the GPL with Qt.
Qt is better, IMHO, but the licence of GTK is better.
One of the things I like about my iBook is that it came with BOTH Software Restore CDs and fresh install CDs. I've used them both, but I've abandoned the Software Restore cds because OSX v10.2 came out, and that's not on the restore cds.
Did you ever drink alcohol before age 21?
Yes.
BAM! you just broke the law.
No I didn't. It's legal for me to drink at 19. In some other provinces it's legal at 18, and in some countries in Europe, it's 16.
My (Canadian) University is piloting a new VoIP infrastructure in its new buildings set to open in August.
We already have some labs with Linux too, the Penguin labs, as they are called. We also have the NT, Ultra, and "Open Source" (NetBSD 1.6) labs.
There is a wireless infrastructure too, it is very extensive throughout the student centre, Commerce, and Engineering buildings. Read about it here
My University's web portal requires Netscape or Mozilla to use certain features like the file transfer and web tests. If you log in using IE and try to use those features it tells you how insecure IE is and gives links to download Mozilla and Netscape.
I don't know, but I got it on CD, as it didn't come with visual studio.
Heh, the ironic thing is that I still use cygwin, Mac OS X, and Java for my development. The only reason I have it is to build things like MySQL for windows and such.
That might seem cool at first, but then it occurred to me: I'd much rather study CS at a school that is Unix-centric.
:)
My school isn't Unix-centric, but it also isn't MS Centric. The two first year programming classes I took were in Java, which could be done on any of the departments workstations, IE: The "NT Lab", the "Open Source Labs" (NetBSD 1.6/i386), the "Penguin Lab" (Linux), The "Ultra Labs" (Sun), etc.
The second year classes are a little different. They are mostly math and theory but there is Java as well as MIPS assembly. Third year is a lot of C, Java, and unix programming. The OS course is done with BSD iirc. Fourth year, well, I don't know about fourth year yet
I won a free copy of Win2K during a promotional giveaway that Microsoft was running when it was first released. I've never had to pay for a Windows OS in my life, and I never will, and this way I can still run Windows legally.
.Net}, Windows {98, 2000, XP}, various servers, MSDN Library from July of 2002, MASM, and some other stuff. All of it is free (as in beer) to Computer Science majors, and some Engineering students.
My university is part of the MSDN Academic Alliance. I have legal copies of Visual Studio{6.0 Pro,
Safari uses "WebCore", which is essentially a Mac port of KHTML used on KDE. See here for a Windows port. I don't know if they're working on a browser or not yet. Alternativly, you could install KDE on Cygwin or install a free unix clone like Linux or FreeBSD.
They want a yearly fee for your "my mac" email, or homepage or whatever the hell it is..
It's also a backup service, internet based storage, virus scanning, calendar and address book syncing.
and to keep your MacOSX up, you have to buy the upgrades??
Yeah, you know, like buying commercial software? Wow, that's shocking. I want Frozen Throne for free!!! It's just an upgrade!!! Why do I have to pay for the game twice???
Oh, and then comes along the OS upgrades that you want for your mac, and they won't run unless you buy a new machine
Okay, that's just FUD. Sorry pal, I've run 3 different verrsions of Mac OS on my computer, never had to buy a new one.
Hmmmm, I can install my Mandrake 9.1 distro on a machine 8 to 10 years old, can you do that with your MacOS??
I can install Mac OS 9 on any PowerPC based macintosh up till very recently. I can install Mac OS X on any G3+ Mac. I can install Mandrake 9.1 on my Mac, but I don't want to. Mac OS X has a better interface. I could also install Mandrake on any PCI based Macintosh.
I can actually use that same 8 to 10 year old machine for damn near anything I might want to.
That's super. It really isn't special, so I don't see what your point is. A friend of mine has a Powerbook Duo which he uses every day, that's 10 years old BTW.
And yeah, PC users shop by initial price only, just as Mac users shop by color matching their pullover sweaters to their Machines only.
You mean that all Mac users have snow white or metallic pullover sweaters? Let's not compare Macs of 5 years ago to PCs of today.
Linux is good for some things. Professional desktop publishing, graphics, motion video and 3d aren't them
I was talking about non-Apple PowerPC 970 machines. Linux would scream on them, and they wouldn't run Mac OS.
So before.. when you guys made the arguement that Macs were better because of quality.. not speed.. you were just saying that because you were jealous of our clock speeds?
No. We still say that they're better because of quality. But now they are better because of quality AND speed.
Good luck with that. You will probably see a PPC970 motherboard at the local computer shop sometime, but it won't be from Apple, and it won't run Mac OS. Linux would scream on these machines, so it isn't a bad investment.
Tritium and deuterium are used in fusion bombs. So I'd imagine that hydrogen 3 will be used in fusion reactions. The product (IIRC) is He3.