From the posts here, you'd think the title of the article was "Look at the silly Keep Out page".
Cmon guys its just a disclaimer. Given the potential audience, its not a bad disclaimer either. Traditional mac "classic" developers are used to doing anything they want with system extensions. If you've used MacOS9 and below, youre aware that there are a plethora of extensions out there that can cause all sorts of headaches...not all are freeware hobbiest projects.
More than anything else, I see that page as a warning to those used to using extensions to trample all over Apple's system code and cause major stability issues in the process in MacOS (not OSX).
While I agree with the majority of your post, I would like to clarify something for those unfamiliar with Macs. I'm sure Gawyn is aware of this, but others may not be. The iMac is designed for people who arent going to do much "upgrading" inside their case. Additions are either easy (RAM and 802.11) or are meant to be external (firewire, USB).
Apple DOES make tower cases that ARE meant to be upgraded inside, and Dell and others have copied the excellent case design. Accessing the inside of a new Mac tower is as easy as lifting a latch. The motherboard folds out and you have access to ALL the internals before you. No screws, no lifting the shell off a frame.
A cursory examination of the photo would reveal to nearly ANY biologist (marine or not, though my experience is in marine invertebrates) that this is NOT a scyphozoan ("Jellyfish"), or even a Cnidarian (supergroup containing jellyfish, corals, anemone's, hydras etc...) If you really didnt want to believe this is a squid, you might suppose it is a tentacled ctenophore (comb jelly which most people have never heard of but are really quite common).
From looking at the picture the animal appears to "fly" using its two HUGE fins (the fins are squid features). The mantle (head covering) is very narrow at the dorsal end (the end at the top of the picture Note to those who know what dorsal means: YES this IS the dorsal side of a squid...) while being fairly broad at the ventral side to accomodate (we presume) the mouth and organs.
The features of this animal are not at all un-squidlike, using occams razor and the BIOLOGICAL features of the animal (not just the way it looks to some shmo) its easy to hypothesize that this is a squid.
Take a look at the Pteropod Sea Angel (Clione) and tell me its a snail. When you can do that successfully come back and comment on this animal. (Note to others: Clione is VERY VERY cool, take a look at the pics if this/. story interested you)
Yes it is really from the MacOSX license. The mispellings are mine. Instead of cut n paste from Apple's website I typed it in from the printed version in my OSX packaging. Reason? I had the OSX box handy and I figured typing a few lines in was faster than searching for it online.
As an infogrames stockholder (via GT Interactive) I wish this were a non-issue with Civ III being released in Germany (and elsewhere) simultaneous with the American release.
I cant say the current situation will help their lackluster stock price. Perhaps this will spur inforgames to release localized versions faster (and maybe help get some of my money back!)
On the contrary, Apple's liscense is less forgiving in respect to multiple single family installations.
From the MacOSX Liscense:
2.A. This Liscense allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-Labelled computer at a time. This Liscense does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time....
Apple does not offer $10 off of MacOSX for single families wishing to install OSX on more than one computer. Additionally, if you own a non-Apple Mac clone the liscense does not allow you to install it even if you purchased a copy of OSX for it.
The major difference here is that there is no copy protection on MacOSX.
I would also disagree with your assertion that Apple makes "second rate" software. Especially if WindowsXP is considered "first rate" perhaps you meant to say "smaller" software maker.
I actually agree with you to an exent. When these things get to be practical computers with some kind of glasses that allow you to have a large workspace, then I want it running my favorite OS.
Your cluster might be interesting. Some kind of performace art thing where the performers combine to form "Wall of TV's" watch pictures. Call it something like "A really gay Monet Array".
Ok, This device seems like it might be "fun" for japaneese teenagers. Sort of like the keychain computer animals that kids were supposed to "raise". If you've taken a look at the gallery you'd know that the actual images are of very little value, even for spy camming pervs.
And it dosent look like it runs linux....YET! Not to mention MacOSX. Maybe Steve Jobs should check into a similar device as the next link in the digital hub. Its the natural progression....iMac, iBook, iPod....and the new watch cam.....iCantSeeADamnThingWithThisSillyWatch.
Back in the day, there were cards optimized to speed up ONE application. Radius (before it became just another name on cheap monitors) used to make cards that were specfically optimized to speed up photoshop filters. And they sold them in droves for $500+ Others did the same thing. The difference here is that Radius TOLD you beforehand that the card was basically designed to give you 24 bit graphics (when most computers were 8 bit) and to speed up photoshop.
Evidently ATI never told anyone they were buying a "Quake Accelerator". And therein lies the problem.
Just a clarificaiton. Technically its Science Magazine not "a Science Magazine" as stated on the main page.
Science is the Journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) and along with "Nature" (its british counterpart) it is one of the premier general science journals.
Actually, Apple didnt agree not to make "Sounds" but did agree that their computers would not be used for "music" including "chords" which is what the sosumi sound is albeit a slightly discordant one.
SGI is doing such great business these days. FYI, Apple has enough cash to buy SGI if they were worth it....they arent. SGI's restructuring and wacko business model have basically doomed it. The intel based series is just more competition for Intergraph....now theres a wildly successful business;-)
It absolutely amazes me how someone can talk about nails in Apple's coffin and in the same paragraph reccomend SGI. SGI died when they became SGI (As opposed to Silicon Graphics) They just dont know it yet. Maybe this kind of anti-FUD is enough to raise SGI out of the pink sheets....I doubt it.
I have a Motorola Starmax (604e 200MHz) running SuSE and a Sparcstation 5 170 MHz running Sparc linux. In CPU intensive applications (Gimp, Setiathome etc) the Starmax is about 3 times faster than the SS5. The SS5 is slightly newer than the Motorola, however, that particular model was the last sun4m ever made. sun4u machines were already being made when the SS5 170 was released.
If you are used to running fast ultra's then a two or three year old mac will seem slow, if youre used to older ultras or sun4m's then a G3 or 604e will perform nicely in comparison in general desktop use.
Mandrake linux will not run on any machine that is the "equivalent of a 286". The slowest PCI powermac (required for PPC linux) is nearly Pentium II class....So you shouldnt be dissapointed.
I dont know how the embedded device market breaks down, but many of the embedded linux products I've heard about are not running on X86 CPU's. Since WINE is X86 only, will the plugins be available only on X86 based devices? Does anyone have a Pentium IV in their combination cell phone/portable ballroom space heater?
I run mostly on Apple hardware (I have SGI, sparc and IBM RS6k too) but I SERIOUSLY doubt that a 733 MHz G4 Mac is as fast as a 1.5 GHz PIV, though I would easily believe its faster at the same clock rate. From all the "properly cool your chips" posts I'd say any professional benchmarking was conducted with a setup with adequate cooling.
For Folks looking to really cool down their intel chips, try and find a used SGI indigo2 case and rip the fan out of it. Talk about a HYOOGE fan. When will we see intel and AMD pushing refrigeration units for their systems? Better be fast...multicore G5's are on the way.
OSX is only case insensitive if you are using HFS+ paritions. OSX is case sensitive if you are using UFS. The reason for installing OSX on a HFS+ partition is so that it can coexist with "Classic" MacOS on the same partition. Darwin has no need for this and it is perfectly fine to install it on a UFS partition.
Evidently, a Carbonized version of iMovie will not ship with MOSX 1.0 either. iMovie is an extremely important product for apple. Many new macs were sold based on the ease of DV editing with Firewire and iMovie.
If Apple plans on preinstalling MOSX on new macs this summer, it better have support for apples core technologies. Anyone can run unix on a cheap PC or an old Sun, SGI, RS6k, NeXT etc. (for less than $300). Apple is selling unix that will run cheap commercial grade apps and will fully utilize apple's core technologies (Firewire, iMovie, FCP, iDVD (very cool) etc...) with the ease of setup and use that mac users expect.
There are elements of MOSX that I long the be able to use on Linux, Irix or Solaris (try dragging a file nested in a zillion folders onto a terminal window) but ultimately I just want to be able to edit movies of my baby and her grandparents from my handycam without rebooting into MacOS9.
SysAdmin Mag ran a dilbert a few months back...Dilbert was lookin at his hand funny and dogbert asked him what he was doin....Dilbert was surfin the web on his PDA ring that displayed 1 char at a time.
These PDA things are never gonna see widespread use until people can download and view large amounts of smut on them...preferably streaming color video.
Maybe the guy with the PDA beofwulf cluster idea would consider running a streaming QuickTime smut server.
I'm not so sure your right about the PPC linux community. First off, it may be small compared to the intel linux community but it is the second largest linux hardware platform. NeXT, (pun intended) Most of the Linux-PPC community are mac folks to some extent, excepting the small number of IBM PPC users. I would guess that 90% or better will run MacOSX in either a dual boot environment or on another machine.
Whether MacOSX succeeds or not is entirely dependent on the Mac community and developer acceptance...Linux will have very little effect. Linux is still too complicated to use/administer for the vast majority of folks.
As for MacOSX cutting into the linux market, I have trotted quite a few of my linux pals through my office for a "test run" (at their request) since installing MacOSX PB. NetInfo and ProjectBuilder are usually big hits. Last week one of those guys bought an iBook to dual boot SuSE/MacOSX. The sample size is small and the results are inconclusive....but dont assume that linux users, even intel fans, will ignore MacOSX.
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From the posts here, you'd think the title of the article was "Look at the silly Keep Out page".
Cmon guys its just a disclaimer. Given the potential audience, its not a bad disclaimer either. Traditional mac "classic" developers are used to doing anything they want with system extensions. If you've used MacOS9 and below, youre aware that there are a plethora of extensions out there that can cause all sorts of headaches...not all are freeware hobbiest projects.
More than anything else, I see that page as a warning to those used to using extensions to trample all over Apple's system code and cause major stability issues in the process in MacOS (not OSX).
While I agree with the majority of your post, I would like to clarify something for those unfamiliar with Macs. I'm sure Gawyn is aware of this, but others may not be. The iMac is designed for people who arent going to do much "upgrading" inside their case. Additions are either easy (RAM and 802.11) or are meant to be external (firewire, USB).
Apple DOES make tower cases that ARE meant to be upgraded inside, and Dell and others have copied the excellent case design. Accessing the inside of a new Mac tower is as easy as lifting a latch. The motherboard folds out and you have access to ALL the internals before you. No screws, no lifting the shell off a frame.
A cursory examination of the photo would reveal to nearly ANY biologist (marine or not, though my experience is in marine invertebrates) that this is NOT a scyphozoan ("Jellyfish"), or even a Cnidarian (supergroup containing jellyfish, corals, anemone's, hydras etc...) If you really didnt want to believe this is a squid, you might suppose it is a tentacled ctenophore (comb jelly which most people have never heard of but are really quite common).
/. story interested you)
From looking at the picture the animal appears to "fly" using its two HUGE fins (the fins are squid features). The mantle (head covering) is very narrow at the dorsal end (the end at the top of the picture Note to those who know what dorsal means: YES this IS the dorsal side of a squid...) while being fairly broad at the ventral side to accomodate (we presume) the mouth and organs.
The features of this animal are not at all un-squidlike, using occams razor and the BIOLOGICAL features of the animal (not just the way it looks to some shmo) its easy to hypothesize that this is a squid.
Take a look at the Pteropod Sea Angel (Clione) and tell me its a snail. When you can do that successfully come back and comment on this animal. (Note to others: Clione is VERY VERY cool, take a look at the pics if this
Yes it is really from the MacOSX license. The mispellings are mine. Instead of cut n paste from Apple's website I typed it in from the printed version in my OSX packaging. Reason? I had the OSX box handy and I figured typing a few lines in was faster than searching for it online.
As an infogrames stockholder (via GT Interactive) I wish this were a non-issue with Civ III being released in Germany (and elsewhere) simultaneous with the American release.
I cant say the current situation will help their lackluster stock price. Perhaps this will spur inforgames to release localized versions faster (and maybe help get some of my money back!)
On the contrary, Apple's liscense is less forgiving in respect to multiple single family installations.
From the MacOSX Liscense:
2.A. This Liscense allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-Labelled computer at a time. This Liscense does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time....
Apple does not offer $10 off of MacOSX for single families wishing to install OSX on more than one computer. Additionally, if you own a non-Apple Mac clone the liscense does not allow you to install it even if you purchased a copy of OSX for it.
The major difference here is that there is no copy protection on MacOSX.
I would also disagree with your assertion that Apple makes "second rate" software. Especially if WindowsXP is considered "first rate" perhaps you meant to say "smaller" software maker.
I actually agree with you to an exent. When these things get to be practical computers with some kind of glasses that allow you to have a large workspace, then I want it running my favorite OS.
Your cluster might be interesting. Some kind of performace art thing where the performers combine to form "Wall of TV's" watch pictures. Call it something like "A really gay Monet Array".
And it dosent look like it runs linux....YET! Not to mention MacOSX. Maybe Steve Jobs should check into a similar device as the next link in the digital hub. Its the natural progression....iMac, iBook, iPod....and the new watch cam.....iCantSeeADamnThingWithThisSillyWatch.
So was it Danny Radcliffe's voice or not?
I should have a funnny sig here...
Back in the day, there were cards optimized to speed up ONE application. Radius (before it became just another name on cheap monitors) used to make cards that were specfically optimized to speed up photoshop filters. And they sold them in droves for $500+ Others did the same thing. The difference here is that Radius TOLD you beforehand that the card was basically designed to give you 24 bit graphics (when most computers were 8 bit) and to speed up photoshop.
Evidently ATI never told anyone they were buying a "Quake Accelerator". And therein lies the problem.
Just a clarificaiton. Technically its Science Magazine not "a Science Magazine" as stated on the main page.
Science is the Journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) and along with "Nature" (its british counterpart) it is one of the premier general science journals.
Actually, Apple didnt agree not to make "Sounds" but did agree that their computers would not be used for "music" including "chords" which is what the sosumi sound is albeit a slightly discordant one.
SGI is doing such great business these days. FYI, Apple has enough cash to buy SGI if they were worth it....they arent. SGI's restructuring and wacko business model have basically doomed it. The intel based series is just more competition for Intergraph....now theres a wildly successful business ;-)
It absolutely amazes me how someone can talk about nails in Apple's coffin and in the same paragraph reccomend SGI. SGI died when they became SGI (As opposed to Silicon Graphics) They just dont know it yet. Maybe this kind of anti-FUD is enough to raise SGI out of the pink sheets....I doubt it.
Proud owner of 3 mips based SGI's...and 5 macs.
I have a Motorola Starmax (604e 200MHz) running SuSE and a Sparcstation 5 170 MHz running Sparc linux. In CPU intensive applications (Gimp, Setiathome etc) the Starmax is about 3 times faster than the SS5. The SS5 is slightly newer than the Motorola, however, that particular model was the last sun4m ever made. sun4u machines were already being made when the SS5 170 was released.
If you are used to running fast ultra's then a two or three year old mac will seem slow, if youre used to older ultras or sun4m's then a G3 or 604e will perform nicely in comparison in general desktop use.
Mandrake linux will not run on any machine that is the "equivalent of a 286". The slowest PCI powermac (required for PPC linux) is nearly Pentium II class....So you shouldnt be dissapointed.
I dont know how the embedded device market breaks down, but many of the embedded linux products I've heard about are not running on X86 CPU's. Since WINE is X86 only, will the plugins be available only on X86 based devices? Does anyone have a Pentium IV in their combination cell phone/portable ballroom space heater?
I run mostly on Apple hardware (I have SGI, sparc and IBM RS6k too) but I SERIOUSLY doubt that a 733 MHz G4 Mac is as fast as a 1.5 GHz PIV, though I would easily believe its faster at the same clock rate. From all the "properly cool your chips" posts I'd say any professional benchmarking was conducted with a setup with adequate cooling. For Folks looking to really cool down their intel chips, try and find a used SGI indigo2 case and rip the fan out of it. Talk about a HYOOGE fan. When will we see intel and AMD pushing refrigeration units for their systems? Better be fast...multicore G5's are on the way.
OSX is only case insensitive if you are using HFS+ paritions. OSX is case sensitive if you are using UFS. The reason for installing OSX on a HFS+ partition is so that it can coexist with "Classic" MacOS on the same partition. Darwin has no need for this and it is perfectly fine to install it on a UFS partition.
Evidently, a Carbonized version of iMovie will not ship with MOSX 1.0 either. iMovie is an extremely important product for apple. Many new macs were sold based on the ease of DV editing with Firewire and iMovie. If Apple plans on preinstalling MOSX on new macs this summer, it better have support for apples core technologies. Anyone can run unix on a cheap PC or an old Sun, SGI, RS6k, NeXT etc. (for less than $300). Apple is selling unix that will run cheap commercial grade apps and will fully utilize apple's core technologies (Firewire, iMovie, FCP, iDVD (very cool) etc...) with the ease of setup and use that mac users expect. There are elements of MOSX that I long the be able to use on Linux, Irix or Solaris (try dragging a file nested in a zillion folders onto a terminal window) but ultimately I just want to be able to edit movies of my baby and her grandparents from my handycam without rebooting into MacOS9.
SysAdmin Mag ran a dilbert a few months back...Dilbert was lookin at his hand funny and dogbert asked him what he was doin....Dilbert was surfin the web on his PDA ring that displayed 1 char at a time. These PDA things are never gonna see widespread use until people can download and view large amounts of smut on them...preferably streaming color video. Maybe the guy with the PDA beofwulf cluster idea would consider running a streaming QuickTime smut server.
I'm not so sure your right about the PPC linux community. First off, it may be small compared to the intel linux community but it is the second largest linux hardware platform. NeXT, (pun intended) Most of the Linux-PPC community are mac folks to some extent, excepting the small number of IBM PPC users. I would guess that 90% or better will run MacOSX in either a dual boot environment or on another machine. Whether MacOSX succeeds or not is entirely dependent on the Mac community and developer acceptance...Linux will have very little effect. Linux is still too complicated to use/administer for the vast majority of folks. As for MacOSX cutting into the linux market, I have trotted quite a few of my linux pals through my office for a "test run" (at their request) since installing MacOSX PB. NetInfo and ProjectBuilder are usually big hits. Last week one of those guys bought an iBook to dual boot SuSE/MacOSX. The sample size is small and the results are inconclusive....but dont assume that linux users, even intel fans, will ignore MacOSX.