>And privacy is already hard enough without naming permissions "full account access" when it does not include full access to an account, rather than to a certain subset of the account.
Assuming "full access" means "all access" is not a mistake.
It's probably a good idea to assume the worst in situations like this.
The fact that "full" wasn't "all" and people assumed otherwise, may result in better protection of peoples privacy and personal information.
There's more substance to the article than there is inaccuracy. It may be true that the app doesn't have access to a person's gmail account, but the privacy policy makes it clear users should have no actual sense of "privacy" for the data that is collected:
“We may disclose any information about you (or your authorized child) that is in our possession or control to government or law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate”
On top of that all versions of the app request access to a person's contact database, which does contain a tremendous amount of information that is totally not relevant to game play, including e-mail addresses of everybody in a person's contact database. In this manner, even if you don't play the game, if someone does who has your personal info in their contact list, then your privacy has been compromised as well.
>No one wants to hear it, but we're healthiest eating raw vegetables, fruits, and nuts/seeds/legumes as well. Stop feeding us the wrong foods, and obesity, heart disease, diabetes, colon cancer, and many many other serious medical issues basically go away.
>I would actually be interested to know what the logic is here
All you have to do is read the graphic they posted on the site.
It's pretty shallow to think they're motivated by betrayal. The people behind the site appear to also run other sites that promote prostitution and human trafficking, and they even extort money from their own customers to protect their privacy by charging a fee to have personal information removed (which as we all know is probably not actually happening - those sites probably never delete anything unless it's to protect their own ass). The media doesn't seem to be showing the whole side of the story and just claiming this is about the ashleymadison site when it's much more than that. This looks like it was some kind of long-term effort to stop a company from profiting from what many might consider to be illegal and immoral activities.
I'm not condoning what the hackers have done, but this appears to be a conflict between two dark groups on the internet. I don't see a good guy here.
It also means when the time comes for the traditional banking institutions to lobby the authorities to seize all the assets of this "illegal currency", they can easily do so.
How much in taxes do you think you paid last year? $1k? $5k? $50k?
How much of the Interstate that you use daily will that pay for?
Maybe 1/2 an inch of the interstate.
Whine to us all about how government is raping you...
while you enjoy electricity, navigable waterways, the internet, safe food, police protection, fire protection, libraries, schools, parks, national forests, etc.
>You are assuming a perfect world where taxes are used efficiently, whereas most western government have rather low bang-for-the-buck. At the end of the day, what really happen is more of the realm of "Everyone pays taxes, but infrastructures still sucks".
Are you on the Internet in America right now?
If so, then the government infrastructure is working quite well. Last time I checked, we had relatively clean water and air, reliable utilities, navigable waterways, weren't being invaded by some foreign army, and have roads from one end of the country to another.
This notion that government is largely errant and irresponsible doesn't jive with reality. The exception does not prove the rule.
>What's unrealistic is believing one strategy is always favored by evolution. Evolution tries everything, so you get all strategies tried.
Actually if you read the study, their conclusion is, the aberrations in the cooperation between the parties is the result of their desire to "change the game" and avoid being put in scenarios where there is no clear winning choice.
I learned to program on PLATO. It was an AMAZING system. In addition to supporting a variety of development environments, their system used a proprietary language called TUTOR. A good bit of networking technology today is derivative of this amazing system. I wasn't rich, although I noted a lot of kids who had access to PLATO tended to be children of CEOs and such. My parents worked at a college that had a grant to have the terminals available. The games on the system were also amazing.
As a programmer, PLATO was a great example of the "cloud"-type systems that will eventually become standard.. what Google is doing and Adobe is now proposing was done in the 70s at Plato, with centrally-hosted apps that routinely are updated automatically. As developers we could put in requests for program features and see them reflected in newer versions of the API. 512x512 resolution, touch sensitive screens, multi-player, real-time games between people all over the world..... in the 70s.
By the way, the original PLATO system has been ported and is running over TCP/IP. If you're willing to donate to the project, they have been known to grant access to people wanting to experience what it was like. See: http://www.cyber1.org/
By the way if anyone has the archive of the PLATO game 0drygulch.. PLEASE contact them... we've been dying to find that code and put it online.
As someone who was out there in the gulf documenting the effects of the spill, I'm disappointed that there is no actual details or data or maps indicating where actually the oil is located? Where are the details?
I got a call two days ago from these people. I strung them along until they gave me a web address to go to in order to download some software and run it on my computer. Then while they were expecting me to do that, I ran a WHOIS on the host and IP, found out who was hosting them (it turned out to be an American company) and I contacted their abuse team and reported the site as being fradulent. 24 hours later, their web site was shut down.
It also helps when you contact their abuse department, that you tell them you work for an antivirus company and you're going to add the IP address of the site to your blacklist. In many cases, there are hundreds if not thousands of web sites operating from the same IP. They will take quick action rather than have one bad customer cause 900 other customer sites to not be accessible.
I am not sure there's much advice us older programmers can give new developers because the industry is a lot different now.
In the old days we were often tasked with solving a problem, and we were more-often free to use whatever tools and technology were best, and we also thought of development environments as tools, which we could switch out if the application required something different. We also did all our own testing. I recently worked with a younger programmer on a project and it was miserable. He couldn't give me 20 lines of code that didn't have a bug in it, because he was dependent upon having some QA person test his work and an IDE that would hilight every mistake.
Nowadays there is so much abstraction going on in programming, people don't really seem like they're programming as much as they're using some sort of GUI development tool and plodding through innumerable amounts of API documentation and going on witch-hunts to try and figure out why something that's documented to work, doesn't actually work. I remember a big Oracle project I was on where my software wouldn't work properly and I couldn't figure out why. It took me several months of bitching on usenet to finally get a rep within Oracle contact me privately and tell me I wasn't crazy, they knew about the bug and just weren't acknowledging it. In the old days, there wasn't as much of that going on. Programming was simpler and less bureaucratic.
I think the reason there's no job security in programming is because basically, nobody's really doing any "programming" these days.
Modern programmers know less about machines and languages than they do APIs and UIs. Everything is so object-oriented and encapsulated, and there are so many square pegs developers are asked to fit into round holes, they're not really designing stuff as much as working on an assembly line sticking various parts-pieces together with no real sense of oversight of the big picture.
This really is security 101. Actually it's not even security 101, it's programming 101. You always assume the information fed to you is potentially invalid and qualify it.
How in their right mind could anyone at Verizon not check to see if the account id was legit? This is not a simple oversight. This is gross incompetence, or else it was intentionally left this way.
The form we know as "pinball" is uniquely American. Bagatelle games are different. Bagatelle is more like gambling and based on chance.
In 1947, when Gottlieb, a Chicago-based company, introduced the first pinball machine with flippers, Humpty Dumpty. Things changed. Thereafter all games soon became flipper-pinball-machines.
>I'm glad you think you're informed, but you're wrong in this case.
Reality shows otherwise. If pinballs were popular they'd still be in every bar. There'd still be arcades all over the place. There isn't.
Yea, there are a few retro-arcades and "bar-cades" popping up now, but they're just pandering to a retro audience at a moment when they have disposable income. The same still holds true for the new manufacturers. They're not really breaking into new markets except tapping into an existing market. It may be appearing to grow, but that's because it really doesn't have anywhere else to go. Pinball all but disappeared 10 years ago.
Games now cost in excess of $6500. It's no longer profitable to operate them. They are much higher maintenance than video games and neither bring in the coin-op money they used to. It is unfortunate since pinball really is a uniquely American form, a great combination of technology + mechanical design + art + culture.
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>And privacy is already hard enough without naming permissions "full account access" when it does not include full access to an account, rather than to a certain subset of the account.
Assuming "full access" means "all access" is not a mistake.
It's probably a good idea to assume the worst in situations like this.
The fact that "full" wasn't "all" and people assumed otherwise, may result in better protection of peoples privacy and personal information.
There's more substance to the article than there is inaccuracy. It may be true that the app doesn't have access to a person's gmail account, but the privacy policy makes it clear users should have no actual sense of "privacy" for the data that is collected:
“We may disclose any information about you (or your authorized child) that is in our possession or control to government or law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate”
On top of that all versions of the app request access to a person's contact database, which does contain a tremendous amount of information that is totally not relevant to game play, including e-mail addresses of everybody in a person's contact database. In this manner, even if you don't play the game, if someone does who has your personal info in their contact list, then your privacy has been compromised as well.
One minute you blame government, the next you say we should listen to "public health officials." I think you contradict yourself.
I agree. But we should be celebrating good code where it is.
>No one wants to hear it, but we're healthiest eating raw vegetables, fruits, and nuts/seeds/legumes as well. Stop feeding us the wrong foods, and obesity, heart disease, diabetes, colon cancer, and many many other serious medical issues basically go away.
[citation needed]
3. The hackers posted a graphic that explained their motivation and you didn't read it.
http://securityaffairs.co/word...
The company running Ashley-Madison also runs sites that promote human trafficking.
>I would actually be interested to know what the logic is here
All you have to do is read the graphic they posted on the site.
It's pretty shallow to think they're motivated by betrayal. The people behind the site appear to also run other sites that promote prostitution and human trafficking, and they even extort money from their own customers to protect their privacy by charging a fee to have personal information removed (which as we all know is probably not actually happening - those sites probably never delete anything unless it's to protect their own ass). The media doesn't seem to be showing the whole side of the story and just claiming this is about the ashleymadison site when it's much more than that. This looks like it was some kind of long-term effort to stop a company from profiting from what many might consider to be illegal and immoral activities.
I'm not condoning what the hackers have done, but this appears to be a conflict between two dark groups on the internet. I don't see a good guy here.
It also means when the time comes for the traditional banking institutions to lobby the authorities to seize all the assets of this "illegal currency", they can easily do so.
How much in taxes do you think you paid last year? $1k? $5k? $50k?
How much of the Interstate that you use daily will that pay for?
Maybe 1/2 an inch of the interstate.
Whine to us all about how government is raping you...
while you enjoy electricity, navigable waterways, the internet, safe food, police protection, fire protection, libraries, schools, parks, national forests, etc.
>You are assuming a perfect world where taxes are used efficiently, whereas most western government have rather low bang-for-the-buck. At the end of the day, what really happen is more of the realm of "Everyone pays taxes, but infrastructures still sucks".
Are you on the Internet in America right now?
If so, then the government infrastructure is working quite well. Last time I checked, we had relatively clean water and air, reliable utilities, navigable waterways, weren't being invaded by some foreign army, and have roads from one end of the country to another.
This notion that government is largely errant and irresponsible doesn't jive with reality. The exception does not prove the rule.
>What's unrealistic is believing one strategy is always favored by evolution. Evolution tries everything, so you get all strategies tried.
Actually if you read the study, their conclusion is, the aberrations in the cooperation between the parties is the result of their desire to "change the game" and avoid being put in scenarios where there is no clear winning choice.
I learned to program on PLATO. It was an AMAZING system. In addition to supporting a variety of development environments, their system used a proprietary language called TUTOR. A good bit of networking technology today is derivative of this amazing system. I wasn't rich, although I noted a lot of kids who had access to PLATO tended to be children of CEOs and such. My parents worked at a college that had a grant to have the terminals available. The games on the system were also amazing.
As a programmer, PLATO was a great example of the "cloud"-type systems that will eventually become standard.. what Google is doing and Adobe is now proposing was done in the 70s at Plato, with centrally-hosted apps that routinely are updated automatically. As developers we could put in requests for program features and see them reflected in newer versions of the API. 512x512 resolution, touch sensitive screens, multi-player, real-time games between people all over the world..... in the 70s.
By the way, the original PLATO system has been ported and is running over TCP/IP. If you're willing to donate to the project, they have been known to grant access to people wanting to experience what it was like. See: http://www.cyber1.org/
By the way if anyone has the archive of the PLATO game 0drygulch.. PLEASE contact them... we've been dying to find that code and put it online.
As someone who was out there in the gulf documenting the effects of the spill, I'm disappointed that there is no actual details or data or maps indicating where actually the oil is located? Where are the details?
Hell.. it takes a good 10 minutes to figure out what web site Sanjay "Shawn" Prakrameshi is trying to direct you to!
I got a call two days ago from these people. I strung them along until they gave me a web address to go to in order to download some software and run it on my computer. Then while they were expecting me to do that, I ran a WHOIS on the host and IP, found out who was hosting them (it turned out to be an American company) and I contacted their abuse team and reported the site as being fradulent. 24 hours later, their web site was shut down.
It also helps when you contact their abuse department, that you tell them you work for an antivirus company and you're going to add the IP address of the site to your blacklist. In many cases, there are hundreds if not thousands of web sites operating from the same IP. They will take quick action rather than have one bad customer cause 900 other customer sites to not be accessible.
I am not sure there's much advice us older programmers can give new developers because the industry is a lot different now.
In the old days we were often tasked with solving a problem, and we were more-often free to use whatever tools and technology were best, and we also thought of development environments as tools, which we could switch out if the application required something different. We also did all our own testing. I recently worked with a younger programmer on a project and it was miserable. He couldn't give me 20 lines of code that didn't have a bug in it, because he was dependent upon having some QA person test his work and an IDE that would hilight every mistake.
Nowadays there is so much abstraction going on in programming, people don't really seem like they're programming as much as they're using some sort of GUI development tool and plodding through innumerable amounts of API documentation and going on witch-hunts to try and figure out why something that's documented to work, doesn't actually work. I remember a big Oracle project I was on where my software wouldn't work properly and I couldn't figure out why. It took me several months of bitching on usenet to finally get a rep within Oracle contact me privately and tell me I wasn't crazy, they knew about the bug and just weren't acknowledging it. In the old days, there wasn't as much of that going on. Programming was simpler and less bureaucratic.
I think the reason there's no job security in programming is because basically, nobody's really doing any "programming" these days.
Modern programmers know less about machines and languages than they do APIs and UIs. Everything is so object-oriented and encapsulated, and there are so many square pegs developers are asked to fit into round holes, they're not really designing stuff as much as working on an assembly line sticking various parts-pieces together with no real sense of oversight of the big picture.
This really is security 101. Actually it's not even security 101, it's programming 101. You always assume the information fed to you is potentially invalid and qualify it.
How in their right mind could anyone at Verizon not check to see if the account id was legit? This is not a simple oversight. This is gross incompetence, or else it was intentionally left this way.
Don't these companies do security audits?
It's spelled G-O-T-T-L-I-E-B.
(until the 1980s)
The form we know as "pinball" is uniquely American. Bagatelle games are different. Bagatelle is more like gambling and based on chance.
In 1947, when Gottlieb, a Chicago-based company, introduced the first pinball machine with flippers, Humpty Dumpty. Things changed. Thereafter all games soon became flipper-pinball-machines.
>I'm glad you think you're informed, but you're wrong in this case.
Reality shows otherwise. If pinballs were popular they'd still be in every bar. There'd still be arcades all over the place. There isn't.
Yea, there are a few retro-arcades and "bar-cades" popping up now, but they're just pandering to a retro audience at a moment when they have disposable income. The same still holds true for the new manufacturers. They're not really breaking into new markets except tapping into an existing market. It may be appearing to grow, but that's because it really doesn't have anywhere else to go. Pinball all but disappeared 10 years ago.
The exception does not prove the rule. If pinball were still very profitable, they'd be all over the place.
Games now cost in excess of $6500. It's no longer profitable to operate them. They are much higher maintenance than video games and neither bring in the coin-op money they used to. It is unfortunate since pinball really is a uniquely American form, a great combination of technology + mechanical design + art + culture.
"This car is absolutely horrible.... yet somehow it's brilliant!"
Ron Paul is against government regulation. His policies would only make corporate overlords more powerful and have less authority to answer to.