Same argument could be made for how it truly destroys lives and families. It is all situational, what is good for one is not automatically good for everyone......even those that supposedly don't know any better.
I had it for years, therefore I know it's value to ME. I only have low speed line now and it is all I need./System Engineer and work from home via VPN 1 day a week.
No such thing as free healthcare. Speaking as a Canadian who has spent 10 of his 50 years south of the 49th the US system wins for me. It has issues to be sure but the Canadian "free" system is far more expensive and the service is moving laughable at best.
My brother in-law was had a small heart attack this last thanksgiving and had to wait until wait for an MRI because the operators were away for the long weekend, now that's quality right there. I can add many more stories....its just sad.
I know a few canucks that have mortgaged their house to pay to get have surgery done in the US rather than wait the 6-18 months or longer in Canada.
When was the last time you heard of an efficiently and effectively run government program. They are only good at getting in the way and paying 10x the market rate for snow.
Heaven help us all if the US follows the same broken path. We'll have to fly overseas to find an available surgeon.
That's funny stuff. The only thing I see our (Canada's) multi-cultural openness leading to is more Sharia-law.....yes more. Majority rules, it's only a matter of time.
Switzerland, the land of openness, is struggling to close the flood gates now. You would like to think our country could watch, learn and adjust. Alas, we are to passive about anything not having to do with hockey.
The latest issue of dieselpower made it very clear (can't find the article online). The US diesel standards are by far and away more stringent than EU or Japan. Which probably plays a big factor in the availability of vehicles here.
Lobby for stronger emission standards where you are.....for our sake.
Poor comparisons, we can't make laws here for jobs that can be done somewhere else. US laws can't be imposed on companies that move their head office to China or Belgium or some other agreeable country.
I can't very easily hire a plumber that isn't local or go see a doctor that is in India. But as an employer I can open an office in Bangalor and have staff there and US employee/employer laws will not apply.
Thanks to open communication platforms and channels we have jobs.......thanks to open communication platforms and channels those jobs can be done by anyone, anywhere. Telecoms are dropping new lines across the ocean as fast as the can to keep up with the growing demand.
IT is global, learn to deal with it. If you need to join a union then chose a service that has to remain local like a plumber or electrician or truck driver or......or.....or.....or, this list goes on.
No you are not getting it, the salary will disappear if the market demand disappears. You can't force an employer to pay more for a service than it is worth any more than you can force a buyer to pay more for a product. An buyer has every right to shop around as does the employer.
If someone is willing to do a job for $12/hr then that is all that service is worth, no matter the education level or value of that service the day or year before.
If the goliath UAW can't keep the automakers in Detroit, a tech union is not going to be able to force employers to keep jobs in this country. We need to be willing to provide the service for what it is worth or move on a provide a higher value service.
This is basic economics people, nobody owes you crap.
If I'm replaced by someone in 3 years from now providing a comparable service for a lower cost then the short and simple is that I suck at providing that service and I need to adapt. Nobody in America deserves a handout that is not what got us where we are, think innovation, motivation and hard work.
If you want to live the lazy life and think the "man" should look after you then haul your immigrant ass back to what ever part of world your family originated from (unless your native, we are all immigrants....and even then). I don't want to pay the kind of taxes it takes to support the kind of society unions breed.
If your bored take a look at Norway. The taxes they pay and the effort most put forward.....I think it is a sad place, beautiful but sad. You may see it as a goal destination, in that case all the power to you.
SO your saying the auto unions in Detroit and Flint as mentioned were not big or aggressive enough? And organizing a union, which would take 40 years to get to UAW's size and clout, is somehow going to do that better.
Unionization will only speed the inevitable globalization of technical positions.
Dude........quit making eight tracks and move on. We are simply selling a service for a fee, If you don't offer a service for a price that someone is willing to pay for, including employee-employer, you can't use big brother to force them to pay. The buyer (employer) always has options, with or without a union.
I recall a story, unverified, from a few years ago that a single Wal-mart store in Quebec successfully unionized.......where are they now?.....huh.....the books soon showed the store was not profitable and closed it's doors one morning.
As far as H1B visa's are concerned, what's the difference if someone comes to the job or the job goes to them....either way your moving on.
How is this "lone wolf"? Everyone performs at a different level. Unions, by my definition, force employers to equally promote the complacent and the performer employee's. How is that good for business or good for the economy?
Never worked for a union and never will. I have worked on and built some great teams though and I still can't see how that makes one a "lone wolf". This country was built on innovation and ambition and I have a hard time associating either of those with a union.
Sure there are some crappy employers out there but I'm willing to bet that there are a lot more under-performers looking for a free ride.
is just another tax and a freakin huge one at that. UHC like that implemented her in Canada is proven not to work. It is clearly more expensive than the health coverage Americans enjoy now and far less effective.
The American system needs some work to be sure, but don't think that UHC is the fix.
Unless I'm thinking this whole thing backwards.....maybe our crappy healthcare fits well into the "let the old die" mentality.
Funny, I switched from pre-paid to lifelock...not switching back. Experian's suit is about revenue self-preservation and nothing more. Lifelock is hurting their bottom line by not allowing them to sell my info to others. My credit card junk mail has gone to zero. And I know that my $10 only buys me something that I could do myself that was very clear when I signed up and I am good with that.
No matter who you choose the system is still only as good as the credit issues process of validation. If they don't properly verify someones SSN there is nothing anyone can do.
Working in Alberta's IT industry seems pretty much the same as the US. All of coders and administrators in our shop are exempt and completed a drug test to get the job. Only diff is the number of holiday and vacation days a year. The day my employment starts looking like a union gig, I'm moving on.
Issues and attitudes like this only speed the decline of North America's leadership in the world. Both countries were founded on innovation and hard work. Canada's so-called "progressive" labour laws (and a crappy healthcare system) are leading the way down the tubes, they cause business to find other sources.
Employment is a privilege not a right. If you don't like your job get another one.....or like my lazy ass cousin just live off the taxpayers.....oh man don't get me started.
Unions can't stop jobs from going overseas. If the Auto-giants can move production to other countries, considering the rigors they have to go through with logistics and construction etc., moving Tech jobs would be a breeze. Just ramp down one set of offices and ramp up another, mission accomplished.
Your assembly line. The product is conceived, made and owned by the company which is made up of all persons employed by it. If any of you are hit by a bus tomorrow, including the CEO,CIO,CFO or whoever the company survives.
On the other hand, if the product was truly concieved and made by you and the company reaps the reward......your a dumb ass.
Do they think those of us that represent large corps are just mindless drones making our decision based on their esteemed brilliance? They may be the industry experts, but lets face it, their conclusions are to support their own best interests not ours and rightfully so.
On second thought, groups like this probably do have an impact on our the decision making process. Just not in the way they planned!
P.S. Isn't Solaris 10 supposed to be open source? http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5364052.html
You gotta be kidding right? Who do you think owns a good chunk of the US debt? China is fast becomming the next world military superpower, Little articles like this show they have the inclination. In fact they may well be already. We are just to stupid to see it.
Look at the big picture. Large country, large population, technical savy, individually not wealthy but as a country very wealthy, and most importantly very secretive. Not much news gets in our out that they that the gov. doesn't control. Even internet access is managed.
They could kick a little US ass without blinking an eye. They could lose an entire US population worth of soldiers and still come out smiling.
Look at the N. Korea issue. US didn't have to deal with it, just nicely asked China to speak with them. After some humming and hawing China sends over a low level Gov. official and N. Korea goes quiet. Like the freakin mofia.
Scares the crap outa me when I think about it to hard. I have to stop now.
1) Fuel prices are declining again. 2) At the pumps, Americans still pay less than half the price of most European nations. 3) As prices increase users are inclined to be more conservative. 4) As prices increase investments in technology to extend existing supplies are more viable. 5) As prices increase investments in alterative energy sources are also more viable.
But hey lets not confuse the issue with facts and human tendancy.
Been a Vonage customer for over a year now. They sent me an e-mail last week to let me know they are reducing my rate by $5 a month........Leave it the hell alone.
If they actually win some or all of the suit against IBM alone does that not bring there value into the billions? . Would eminent domain consider the entire value of the company or just the current value of the product?
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Same argument could be made for how it truly destroys lives and families. It is all situational, what is good for one is not automatically good for everyone......even those that supposedly don't know any better.
I had it for years, therefore I know it's value to ME. I only have low speed line now and it is all I need. /System Engineer and work from home via VPN 1 day a week.
No such thing as free healthcare. Speaking as a Canadian who has spent 10 of his 50 years south of the 49th the US system wins for me. It has issues to be sure but the Canadian "free" system is far more expensive and the service is moving laughable at best.
My brother in-law was had a small heart attack this last thanksgiving and had to wait until wait for an MRI because the operators were away for the long weekend, now that's quality right there. I can add many more stories....its just sad.
I know a few canucks that have mortgaged their house to pay to get have surgery done in the US rather than wait the 6-18 months or longer in Canada.
When was the last time you heard of an efficiently and effectively run government program. They are only good at getting in the way and paying 10x the market rate for snow.
Heaven help us all if the US follows the same broken path. We'll have to fly overseas to find an available surgeon.
That's funny stuff. The only thing I see our (Canada's) multi-cultural openness leading to is more Sharia-law.....yes more. Majority rules, it's only a matter of time.
Switzerland, the land of openness, is struggling to close the flood gates now. You would like to think our country could watch, learn and adjust. Alas, we are to passive about anything not having to do with hockey.
The latest issue of dieselpower made it very clear (can't find the article online). The US diesel standards are by far and away more stringent than EU or Japan. Which probably plays a big factor in the availability of vehicles here.
Lobby for stronger emission standards where you are.....for our sake.
If is cost $350m to build a diesel plant in Brazil, how is it only $100 in the Mid-West?
Poor comparisons, we can't make laws here for jobs that can be done somewhere else. US laws can't be imposed on companies that move their head office to China or Belgium or some other agreeable country.
I can't very easily hire a plumber that isn't local or go see a doctor that is in India. But as an employer I can open an office in Bangalor and have staff there and US employee/employer laws will not apply.
Thanks to open communication platforms and channels we have jobs.......thanks to open communication platforms and channels those jobs can be done by anyone, anywhere. Telecoms are dropping new lines across the ocean as fast as the can to keep up with the growing demand.
IT is global, learn to deal with it. If you need to join a union then chose a service that has to remain local like a plumber or electrician or truck driver or......or.....or.....or, this list goes on.
No you are not getting it, the salary will disappear if the market demand disappears. You can't force an employer to pay more for a service than it is worth any more than you can force a buyer to pay more for a product. An buyer has every right to shop around as does the employer.
If someone is willing to do a job for $12/hr then that is all that service is worth, no matter the education level or value of that service the day or year before.
If the goliath UAW can't keep the automakers in Detroit, a tech union is not going to be able to force employers to keep jobs in this country. We need to be willing to provide the service for what it is worth or move on a provide a higher value service.
This is basic economics people, nobody owes you crap.
If I'm replaced by someone in 3 years from now providing a comparable service for a lower cost then the short and simple is that I suck at providing that service and I need to adapt. Nobody in America deserves a handout that is not what got us where we are, think innovation, motivation and hard work.
If you want to live the lazy life and think the "man" should look after you then haul your immigrant ass back to what ever part of world your family originated from (unless your native, we are all immigrants....and even then). I don't want to pay the kind of taxes it takes to support the kind of society unions breed.
If your bored take a look at Norway. The taxes they pay and the effort most put forward.....I think it is a sad place, beautiful but sad. You may see it as a goal destination, in that case all the power to you.
I gotta get back to work.
SO your saying the auto unions in Detroit and Flint as mentioned were not big or aggressive enough? And organizing a union, which would take 40 years to get to UAW's size and clout, is somehow going to do that better.
Unionization will only speed the inevitable globalization of technical positions.
Dude........quit making eight tracks and move on. We are simply selling a service for a fee, If you don't offer a service for a price that someone is willing to pay for, including employee-employer, you can't use big brother to force them to pay. The buyer (employer) always has options, with or without a union.
I recall a story, unverified, from a few years ago that a single Wal-mart store in Quebec successfully unionized.......where are they now?.....huh.....the books soon showed the store was not profitable and closed it's doors one morning.
As far as H1B visa's are concerned, what's the difference if someone comes to the job or the job goes to them....either way your moving on.
How is this "lone wolf"? Everyone performs at a different level. Unions, by my definition, force employers to equally promote the complacent and the performer employee's. How is that good for business or good for the economy?
Never worked for a union and never will. I have worked on and built some great teams though and I still can't see how that makes one a "lone wolf". This country was built on innovation and ambition and I have a hard time associating either of those with a union.
Sure there are some crappy employers out there but I'm willing to bet that there are a lot more under-performers looking for a free ride.
My $0.02
is just another tax and a freakin huge one at that. UHC like that implemented her in Canada is proven not to work. It is clearly more expensive than the health coverage Americans enjoy now and far less effective.
The American system needs some work to be sure, but don't think that UHC is the fix.
Unless I'm thinking this whole thing backwards.....maybe our crappy healthcare fits well into the "let the old die" mentality.
Funny, I switched from pre-paid to lifelock...not switching back. Experian's suit is about revenue self-preservation and nothing more. Lifelock is hurting their bottom line by not allowing them to sell my info to others. My credit card junk mail has gone to zero. And I know that my $10 only buys me something that I could do myself that was very clear when I signed up and I am good with that.
No matter who you choose the system is still only as good as the credit issues process of validation. If they don't properly verify someones SSN there is nothing anyone can do.
Working in Alberta's IT industry seems pretty much the same as the US. All of coders and administrators in our shop are exempt and completed a drug test to get the job. Only diff is the number of holiday and vacation days a year. The day my employment starts looking like a union gig, I'm moving on.
Issues and attitudes like this only speed the decline of North America's leadership in the world. Both countries were founded on innovation and hard work. Canada's so-called "progressive" labour laws (and a crappy healthcare system) are leading the way down the tubes, they cause business to find other sources.
Employment is a privilege not a right. If you don't like your job get another one.....or like my lazy ass cousin just live off the taxpayers.....oh man don't get me started.
aarrghh!
"identify yourself" != "produce state issued ID"
Simply state your name, address and DOB and your compliant.
you forgot to add..... "and we proudly pay taxes through the nose for it!"
P.S. Calling everyone south of th 49th Yanks is akin to calling all those north of it Quebecois.
Watch out for that tree!!
Unions can't stop jobs from going overseas. If the Auto-giants can move production to other countries, considering the rigors they have to go through with logistics and construction etc., moving Tech jobs would be a breeze. Just ramp down one set of offices and ramp up another, mission accomplished.
Your assembly line. The product is conceived, made and owned by the company which is made up of all persons employed by it. If any of you are hit by a bus tomorrow, including the CEO,CIO,CFO or whoever the company survives.
On the other hand, if the product was truly concieved and made by you and the company reaps the reward......your a dumb ass.
Do they think those of us that represent large corps are just mindless drones making our decision based on their esteemed brilliance? They may be the industry experts, but lets face it, their conclusions are to support their own best interests not ours and rightfully so. On second thought, groups like this probably do have an impact on our the decision making process. Just not in the way they planned! P.S. Isn't Solaris 10 supposed to be open source? http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5364052.html
Sex in the City is sure to be disappointed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2002/04/14/whyd14.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/04/14/i xworld.html
You gotta be kidding right? Who do you think owns a good chunk of the US debt? China is fast becomming the next world military superpower, Little articles like this show they have the inclination. In fact they may well be already. We are just to stupid to see it.
Look at the big picture. Large country, large population, technical savy, individually not wealthy but as a country very wealthy, and most importantly very secretive. Not much news gets in our out that they that the gov. doesn't control. Even internet access is managed.
They could kick a little US ass without blinking an eye. They could lose an entire US population worth of soldiers and still come out smiling.
Look at the N. Korea issue. US didn't have to deal with it, just nicely asked China to speak with them. After some humming and hawing China sends over a low level Gov. official and N. Korea goes quiet. Like the freakin mofia.
Scares the crap outa me when I think about it to hard. I have to stop now.
lalala.....flowers and trees....lalala.....
1) Fuel prices are declining again.
2) At the pumps, Americans still pay less than half the price of most European nations.
3) As prices increase users are inclined to be more conservative.
4) As prices increase investments in technology to extend existing supplies are more viable.
5) As prices increase investments in alterative energy sources are also more viable.
But hey lets not confuse the issue with facts and human tendancy.
Been a Vonage customer for over a year now. They sent me an e-mail last week to let me know they are reducing my rate by $5 a month........Leave it the hell alone.
If they actually win some or all of the suit against IBM alone does that not bring there value into the billions?
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Would eminent domain consider the entire value of the company or just the current value of the product?