i don't really follow compiler technology, but a lot of the speed improvements in the K7 and P4 look like they will depend on compiler specific optimizations. i'm sure the Intel provided C/C++ compiler will properly support all the new SIMD instructions in the P4, as will Visual C++ probably...but does gcc/egcs?
are linux users missing out on a big chunk of the potential performance available in the newer CPUs because their compilers are more tuned to cross platform availability than to x86 specific optimization, or do the GNU compilers already do a good job of supporting 3DNow! and SIMD?
i think they've all been too busy trying to feed, clothe, educate and house themselves to really get around to hooking up that new ADSL connection and get some quality pr0n flowing.
The mans point is that it is not consistent with his other applications.
you're right. it should be more consistent like the collection of Tk/Motif/Qt/GTK+/ncurses/console applications that he should be running on his 3l33t linux box.
errr..except that slight problem with not being able to display graphics. while it may surprise you, 99.9% of people surveyed said they like their web to have graphics.
Everytime a story about a distribution is posted, invariably the same comments about the superiority of debian's apt-get package management scheme are trundled out. has no-one here ever heard of, or even used the excellent urpmi utility that is included in recent Mandrake releases?
it acts in a very similar way to apt-get...you provide it with a list of package sources (file, FTP, NFS etc etc), which it then uses to build an index and a list of dependencies. installing new packages is a one command affair...dependencies are automatically managed and installed if necessary. urpmi can also be configured to allow non-superuser installation of RPMs from a specified list of 'safe' packages
urpmi has saved me loads of time when installing RPMs...why do people continually overlook this tool when comparing distributions and continue blather on about apt-get (and the fucking dreadful dselect)?
please try and keep on topic. the original story was about an engineering department. debian clearly belongs in either a political studies or theology department.
this reminds me of a classic article from The Onion...New Remote Control Can Be Operated By Remote...no more leaning forward to get remote from coffee table means greater convenience for viewers.
do any debian people here know what would (or could) be done with the $25,000? i noticed a few months back sun donated an ultra60...do they use this sort of money to buy extra hardware to help porting efforts? and if so, who's house does it get installed at? or in the true debian spirit, does it just stay in the box it was shipped in and everyone argues about where it will go on IRC for years and the thing never actually gets 'released'?
It uses 184 MBs of memory but it's quick and doesn't disk thrash on my 64 meg machine.
wow!!! you've only got 64MB of RAM, and a 184MB application doesn't cause disk thrashing? is that because you don't actually have your disk connected, or is it just that you've smoked all of your $3 crack in one hit?
errr...that would be because the rate of progress in the PC market is about 10,000 times that of what's going on in the Amiga 'market'.
if intel only brought out a new processor speed revision every 3 years, then the GHz 'god box' that you bought today would still be holding its value in another 24 months.
What do you do when you are stuck in code and your focus leaves you?
spend half the day reading 'ask slashdot' articles about what to do when you are stuck in code and your focus leaves you. if this doesn't work, try it for another couple of hours. i'll let you know how it goes.
if my boss is reading this, it's my evil twin posting this and yes the database code is finished.
less and less to those who seek to immerse themselves in the goodness of a unix environment (bad).
how does RedHat (or any distributon, for that matter) lessen the potential for total immersion in the unix environment? it's not like the graphical admin tools and scripts that are provided mean that you can no longer go into/etc with vi and hack till your heart's content.
skip automatic hardware detection, don't set up TCP/IP at install time, don't install any windows managers, and certainly don't install GNOME or KDE. there you go...its thin'n'crispy (tm) just like unix 'should be'.
on the other hand, you can install all the bells and whistles if you'd like, and pretend the technical details don't exist
i thought this whole 'choice' thing was what linux was about?
a damn cold place to stick racks and racks of overclocked Abit BP-6 dual celeron systems. pluto would be ideal. dare i say it...a beowulf cluster of these?
great. no-one recommends running slink anymore, but then potato can't be deemed stable enough to release yet because its 'still in the testing cycle'.
i think i get it...make the production release so old that you can say "but its really old and no-one uses it anymore", but then never get around to releasing the 'frozen' version so you can say "but it's still undergoing the testing cycle!".
In the days that more and more are migrating to an OS that will run happily on a 486
that's right...all those happy new linux users running KDE, GNOME, Netscape, GIMP, XMMS, BladeEnc, StarOffice...all on a 486!!! and they say it beats a 1GHz Athlon running Win2000!!! wow...those Linux programmers are smart guys. either that, or most linux zealots are full of shit about this whole "linux runs great on a 486" lie.
Why? Well, upcoming Intel "whitebox" servers WILL NOT USE INTEL CHIPSETS! They will use chipsets from Reliance Computer Corporation (RCC), now known as Serverworks.
spot on. i just bought a Tyan Thunder 2500 (based on the ServerWorks IIIHE chipset), mainly because it has proper support for 133MHz SDRAM, without any hacks or kludges. that, and the fact that it has 64 bit PCI slots, 8 SDRAM sockets, and of course dual CPU support.
if you can actually find one of these boards, its a pretty mean piece of bad azz mofo hardware.
Why do people have such adversity toward Apple? ? let's see...they make a bunch of fundamentally ordinary PCs (clear casing aside), which sell for inflated prices, bundled with a hopelessly obsolete operating system that would have been tossed out years ago if not for epic scale incompetence and stupidity on behalf of apple's management
hardware performance is consistently oversold, almost to the point of blatantly lying about it. as for innovation, the majority of apple's core hardware technology has been 'borrowed' from the intel world...PCI, USB, IDE, AGP...even that piece of shit ATI graphics controller chip.
this might all be OK if the goddamned things didn't cost about $1000 more than they're worth, and if steve jobs had his mouth stitched shut before each apple product launch.
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i don't really follow compiler technology, but a lot of the speed improvements in the K7 and P4 look like they will depend on compiler specific optimizations. i'm sure the Intel provided C/C++ compiler will properly support all the new SIMD instructions in the P4, as will Visual C++ probably...but does gcc/egcs?
are linux users missing out on a big chunk of the potential performance available in the newer CPUs because their compilers are more tuned to cross platform availability than to x86 specific optimization, or do the GNU compilers already do a good job of supporting 3DNow! and SIMD?
i don't know...someone please tell me.
When is the rest of the world going to join in?
i think they've all been too busy trying to feed, clothe, educate and house themselves to really get around to hooking up that new ADSL connection and get some quality pr0n flowing.
The mans point is that it is not consistent with his other applications.
you're right. it should be more consistent like the collection of Tk/Motif/Qt/GTK+/ncurses/console applications that he should be running on his 3l33t linux box.
No problems with lynx 2.8.4dev.10 on linux.
errr..except that slight problem with not being able to display graphics. while it may surprise you, 99.9% of people surveyed said they like their web to have graphics.
i bet you use debian too.
Everytime a story about a distribution is posted, invariably the same comments about the superiority of debian's apt-get package management scheme are trundled out. has no-one here ever heard of, or even used the excellent urpmi utility that is included in recent Mandrake releases?
it acts in a very similar way to apt-get...you provide it with a list of package sources (file, FTP, NFS etc etc), which it then uses to build an index and a list of dependencies. installing new packages is a one command affair...dependencies are automatically managed and installed if necessary. urpmi can also be configured to allow non-superuser installation of RPMs from a specified list of 'safe' packages
urpmi has saved me loads of time when installing RPMs...why do people continually overlook this tool when comparing distributions and continue blather on about apt-get (and the fucking dreadful dselect)?
how about..."Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these Playstations!!!"
Has anyone noticed a striking resemblance between this story and the Amiga resurrection one posted below it?
A long-forgotten, primitive system is revived. A small population of geeks go "Wow". The rest of us go "Why the fuck?"
please try and keep on topic. the original story was about an engineering department. debian clearly belongs in either a political studies or theology department.
thankyou.
Can any /.'ers think of anything that needs writing, but nobody wants to?
a tool that scans freshmeat and slashdot and figures out what needs to be written, but where nobody wants to do it.
the hell there won't be beowulf references!!
Wow! Could you imagine a beowulf cluster of these?!?
this reminds me of a classic article from The Onion...New Remote Control Can Be Operated By Remote...no more leaning forward to get remote from coffee table means greater convenience for viewers.
i wanna be a karma whore!
do any debian people here know what would (or could) be done with the $25,000? i noticed a few months back sun donated an ultra60...do they use this sort of money to buy extra hardware to help porting efforts? and if so, who's house does it get installed at? or in the true debian spirit, does it just stay in the box it was shipped in and everyone argues about where it will go on IRC for years and the thing never actually gets 'released'?
oh crap. its the $3 crack.
It uses 184 MBs of memory but it's quick and doesn't disk thrash on my 64 meg machine.
wow!!! you've only got 64MB of RAM, and a 184MB application doesn't cause disk thrashing? is that because you don't actually have your disk connected, or is it just that you've smoked all of your $3 crack in one hit?
errr...that would be because the rate of progress in the PC market is about 10,000 times that of what's going on in the Amiga 'market'.
if intel only brought out a new processor speed revision every 3 years, then the GHz 'god box' that you bought today would still be holding its value in another 24 months.
What do you do when you are stuck in code and your focus leaves you?
spend half the day reading 'ask slashdot' articles about what to do when you are stuck in code and your focus leaves you. if this doesn't work, try it for another couple of hours. i'll let you know how it goes.
if my boss is reading this, it's my evil twin posting this and yes the database code is finished.
less and less to those who seek to immerse themselves in the goodness of a unix environment (bad).
/etc with vi and hack till your heart's content.
how does RedHat (or any distributon, for that matter) lessen the potential for total immersion in the unix environment? it's not like the graphical admin tools and scripts that are provided mean that you can no longer go into
skip automatic hardware detection, don't set up TCP/IP at install time, don't install any windows managers, and certainly don't install GNOME or KDE. there you go...its thin'n'crispy (tm) just like unix 'should be'.
on the other hand, you can install all the bells and whistles if you'd like, and pretend the technical details don't exist
i thought this whole 'choice' thing was what linux was about?
(And what are we looking for on Pluto again?)
a damn cold place to stick racks and racks of overclocked Abit BP-6 dual celeron systems. pluto would be ideal. dare i say it...a beowulf cluster of these?
perhaps because it's still in it's test cycle?
great. no-one recommends running slink anymore, but then potato can't be deemed stable enough to release yet because its 'still in the testing cycle'.
i think i get it...make the production release so old that you can say "but its really old and no-one uses it anymore", but then never get around to releasing the 'frozen' version so you can say "but it's still undergoing the testing cycle!".
clever...very clever.
But then again, noone recommends running slink anymore.
so why the hell don't they release potato then?
In the days that more and more are migrating to an OS that will run happily on a 486
that's right...all those happy new linux users running KDE, GNOME, Netscape, GIMP, XMMS, BladeEnc, StarOffice...all on a 486!!! and they say it beats a 1GHz Athlon running Win2000!!! wow...those Linux programmers are smart guys. either that, or most linux zealots are full of shit about this whole "linux runs great on a 486" lie.
you're absolutely right!! what better way to secure a distro than by never releasing it
Why? Well, upcoming Intel "whitebox" servers WILL NOT USE INTEL CHIPSETS! They will use chipsets from Reliance Computer Corporation (RCC), now known as Serverworks.
spot on. i just bought a Tyan Thunder 2500 (based on the ServerWorks IIIHE chipset), mainly because it has proper support for 133MHz SDRAM, without any hacks or kludges. that, and the fact that it has 64 bit PCI slots, 8 SDRAM sockets, and of course dual CPU support.
if you can actually find one of these boards, its a pretty mean piece of bad azz mofo hardware.
Why do people have such adversity toward Apple?
?
let's see...they make a bunch of fundamentally ordinary PCs (clear casing aside), which sell for inflated prices, bundled with a hopelessly obsolete operating system that would have been tossed out years ago if not for epic scale incompetence and stupidity on behalf of apple's management
hardware performance is consistently oversold, almost to the point of blatantly lying about it. as for innovation, the majority of apple's core hardware technology has been 'borrowed' from the intel world...PCI, USB, IDE, AGP...even that piece of shit ATI graphics controller chip.
this might all be OK if the goddamned things didn't cost about $1000 more than they're worth, and if steve jobs had his mouth stitched shut before each apple product launch.
thank you.
The server was a dual-proc machine.
no. read the article again. the server was dual processor capable, but only had a single PIII installed.