I DO have my own business. Honestly, I'm coming from this at a selfish angle. I do on-site service and consulting. Even though businesses are the bulk of my clients, there are private individuals that also pay me for help. The more people that can afford my services, the better off I am. Outsourcing, in all industries not just in the tech sector, hurts my potential client base. You can't sell if people can't afford to buy what you offer. When the 'consumer' cannot afford to 'consume' (working BK and McD's, and other traditional 'service' jobs) then we're ALL in a world of shit.
Call it whining and complaining if you want. It's a matter of the future of our economy beyond the fat-cats pulling down millions of dollars a year, and get bonuses bigger than the money they supposedly save by outsourcing.
Tell ya what buddy. If you can guarantee that things I buy will only cost me half as much then I'll do the job for the 'half' pay that you so much uphold. Otherwise go fuck yourself.
I've never heard of this guy. If he's sat on all those boards, etc... Someone would have heard of him before 'memogate'. Oh, I forgot... benches outside doors have boards.
So Linux will cost me the price of an Epson printer. Nobody wants to have to go out and buy more shit just to suit an operating system.
"Buy a TV"
Got one, why buy another?
"How hard is./configure, make, make install?"
Not hard at all IF ALL DEPENDENCIES ARE MET. Usually they aren't. Then you have to do a LOT of./configure, make, make installs, get-apt, irpmi, etc... to just get one freakin program installed.
So, what good is an operating system if it's only good out of the box with no modifications? Might as well be a locked down windows box that disallows any installing. Actually, it would be no better than windows.
As I've said before, it's ok to surf the web with and read email, but it's not good for much else without a bunch of jumping through hoops, etc...
It will always be a hobbyist/tinkerer operating system and not much else. It's not ready for the desktop for the average user, and I don't believe it ever will. I use it, and I would drop all my windows partitions if I could do everything under Linux that I can do under Windows. Which, to date, cannot be done. I spent a good six hours today working to get mythtv installed under Mandrake 9.2. Still won't work, I know the dependencies are met, etc... Finally decided that AS A KERNAL Linux is ok, but the apps that are wrapped around it ARE SHIT unless your running a bare server (kinda how Windows 3.1 was shit wrapped around DOS). Hell, I can do that with Windows if I absolutely wanted to, but I prefer to run Linux on my servers since I can lock the extraneous stuff down. After working on other peoples machines all day getting them straight, I don't want to have to do it on mine to simply install an app.
That's the fundamental difference.
They say Linux is free, and on the desktop you get what you pay for (as they say).
Uh, yeah. I've been trying to urpmi mythtv. stops EVERY SINGLE TIME because of a failed dependency. I want the magical freakin version of urpmi that you have.
Out of the box, it is 'install and go' (for the most part). Then there comes the time when you want to do something with it other than surf goatse.cx and read SPAM all day. Such things like connect a printer (actually trivial for an admin), watch tv (not particularly trivial for anybody), scan, etc... The nightmare starts. Download this,./configure - make - make install - DAMN! - download that./confgure etc...
Honestly, it's a big huge technological cluster fuck.
If it were true, I wouldn't trust it. There was a way back in the old Apple days where you could modify the apple dos where you could control the head movement on floppies and do 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 tracking. problem with that was the closer you moved the tracks the more magnetic overlap you would get that would cause corruption. 1/2 tracking could theoretically double the amount of stuff you put on a floppy.
you could teach the kid how to kick the other kids asses for making fun of him. He's smart, evidently, he just needs to learn how to put fear to his use.
Their going to get their way eventually. Time to go back to local stage plays and wandering minstrels. Give it up people, move along, there's nothing more to see here.
Your one of the reasons why companies like SCO continue to get away with what they think they can. You are unwilling to defend yourself. As I said, your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. You, sir, are what's known as an enabler.
I can't afford to defend myself either, but when/if the time comes I can't afford to NOT defend myself. This is the crux of the whole situation... the seperation of the men from the boys.
EV1 didn't make a deal to protect you. What EV1 did was to add the shadow of legitimacy to SCO's spurious and unproven claims. You by extension also add the shadow of legitimacy to SCO's claims.
I doubt that Head-Surfer has anything to say that will change my mind. There are few things that 'make' us what we are individually. One of those things is who we associate with. EV1 chooses to associate with SCO. Just as I don't associate myself with crack whores or those that associate with them... I will not associate myself with a company/person that is associated with SCO.
You feed SCO through EV1. Their both in bed together now, and you know that one of them is a skanky disease ridden whore, and you think it's ok to sleep with the other?
First, this is the email I sent to their sales team...
"I've been trying to decide which hosting company to use for my business. I've been looking long and hard at a few, ev1servers being one of them. Your purchase of licences from SCO has helped me narrow down the pack by eliminating hosting by ev1servers from consideration. Bravo, and thank you." (my name with-held(sp))
Their response...
"If you do not want to host with the best in the business, that is definitely your choice, but I would not recommend it.
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I DO have my own business. Honestly, I'm coming from this at a selfish angle. I do on-site service and consulting. Even though businesses are the bulk of my clients, there are private individuals that also pay me for help. The more people that can afford my services, the better off I am. Outsourcing, in all industries not just in the tech sector, hurts my potential client base. You can't sell if people can't afford to buy what you offer. When the 'consumer' cannot afford to 'consume' (working BK and McD's, and other traditional 'service' jobs) then we're ALL in a world of shit.
Call it whining and complaining if you want. It's a matter of the future of our economy beyond the fat-cats pulling down millions of dollars a year, and get bonuses bigger than the money they supposedly save by outsourcing.
"If russia is so great why don't they sell their games there.. of course not, no money. sell in america where everyone is rich."
USED to be rich.
Pretty soon the running joke will be...
"In Capitalist America"...
Tell ya what buddy. If you can guarantee that things I buy will only cost me half as much then I'll do the job for the 'half' pay that you so much uphold. Otherwise go fuck yourself.
Of course, someone has to drag out Smoot-Hawley. So I'll drag out a different pov.
http://www.etherzone.com/1999/bend040199.html
It does no good to 'make money' when the number of people that can afford your product dwindle with every layoff and 'outsource'.
That's the deal. Our economy depends on money moving around. Certainly doesn't help if the money moves overseas OUT of the economy.
All that text just to say "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!"
Yeah, used em, very nice. That's what I first thought of after reading the article.
I've never heard of this guy. If he's sat on all those boards, etc... Someone would have heard of him before 'memogate'. Oh, I forgot... benches outside doors have boards.
and how did you manage this miraculous feat?
C'mon, tell us how you really feel.
"Obviously you don't have much experience, if any becaues it is urpmi and apt-get"
A spoonerism on one, and a simple misspelling on another.
Mythtv was just an example of many.
"Get an epson, nearly all of them are supported."
./configure, make, make install?"
./configure, make, make installs, get-apt, irpmi, etc... to just get one freakin program installed.
So Linux will cost me the price of an Epson printer. Nobody wants to have to go out and buy more shit just to suit an operating system.
"Buy a TV"
Got one, why buy another?
"How hard is
Not hard at all IF ALL DEPENDENCIES ARE MET. Usually they aren't. Then you have to do a LOT of
So, what good is an operating system if it's only good out of the box with no modifications? Might as well be a locked down windows box that disallows any installing. Actually, it would be no better than windows.
As I've said before, it's ok to surf the web with and read email, but it's not good for much else without a bunch of jumping through hoops, etc...
It will always be a hobbyist/tinkerer operating system and not much else. It's not ready for the desktop for the average user, and I don't believe it ever will. I use it, and I would drop all my windows partitions if I could do everything under Linux that I can do under Windows. Which, to date, cannot be done. I spent a good six hours today working to get mythtv installed under Mandrake 9.2. Still won't work, I know the dependencies are met, etc... Finally decided that AS A KERNAL Linux is ok, but the apps that are wrapped around it ARE SHIT unless your running a bare server (kinda how Windows 3.1 was shit wrapped around DOS). Hell, I can do that with Windows if I absolutely wanted to, but I prefer to run Linux on my servers since I can lock the extraneous stuff down. After working on other peoples machines all day getting them straight, I don't want to have to do it on mine to simply install an app.
That's the fundamental difference.
They say Linux is free, and on the desktop you get what you pay for (as they say).
Uh, yeah. I've been trying to urpmi mythtv. stops EVERY SINGLE TIME because of a failed dependency. I want the magical freakin version of urpmi that you have.
Out of the box, it is 'install and go' (for the most part). Then there comes the time when you want to do something with it other than surf goatse.cx and read SPAM all day. Such things like connect a printer (actually trivial for an admin), watch tv (not particularly trivial for anybody), scan, etc... The nightmare starts. Download this, ./configure - make - make install - DAMN! - download that ./confgure etc...
Honestly, it's a big huge technological cluster fuck.
If you want to install something in windows you just install it. it just works.
If you want to install something in Linux you have to build it, build what it depends on, etc.... ad nauseum. It doesn't 'just work'.
Windows is for people that just want to get things done. Linix is for people that want to tinker and play at getting things done.
chromi is dead slow unless you install the x drivers for the card that use hardware acceleration. it was dead slow on my nvidia cards till I did this.
If it were true, I wouldn't trust it. There was a way back in the old Apple days where you could modify the apple dos where you could control the head movement on floppies and do 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 tracking. problem with that was the closer you moved the tracks the more magnetic overlap you would get that would cause corruption. 1/2 tracking could theoretically double the amount of stuff you put on a floppy.
Now, hard drive control is a different matter.
you could teach the kid how to kick the other kids asses for making fun of him. He's smart, evidently, he just needs to learn how to put fear to his use.
Their going to get their way eventually. Time to go back to local stage plays and wandering minstrels. Give it up people, move along, there's nothing more to see here.
This damn thing has been out for what seems like forever.
Your one of the reasons why companies like SCO continue to get away with what they think they can. You are unwilling to defend yourself. As I said, your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. You, sir, are what's known as an enabler.
I can't afford to defend myself either, but when/if the time comes I can't afford to NOT defend myself. This is the crux of the whole situation... the seperation of the men from the boys.
EV1 didn't make a deal to protect you. What EV1 did was to add the shadow of legitimacy to SCO's spurious and unproven claims. You by extension also add the shadow of legitimacy to SCO's claims.
I doubt that Head-Surfer has anything to say that will change my mind. There are few things that 'make' us what we are individually. One of those things is who we associate with. EV1 chooses to associate with SCO. Just as I don't associate myself with crack whores or those that associate with them... I will not associate myself with a company/person that is associated with SCO.
You feed SCO through EV1. Their both in bed together now, and you know that one of them is a skanky disease ridden whore, and you think it's ok to sleep with the other?
If you continue to feed them then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
First, this is the email I sent to their sales team...
"I've been trying to decide which hosting company to use for my business. I've been looking long and hard at a few, ev1servers being one of them. Your purchase of licences from SCO has helped me narrow down the pack by eliminating hosting by ev1servers from consideration. Bravo, and thank you."
(my name with-held(sp))
Their response...
"If you do not want to host with the best in the business, that is definitely your choice, but I would not recommend it.
Thank you,
Aaron Conklin
Sales Supervisor
1-800-504-7873
www.ev1servers.net"
The best in the business? My ass, more like the most clueless in the business. More like run by the clueless.
I only deal with smart persons and smart entities, ev1 is not one of them.