Unprepared doesn't indicate incompetence. Unprepared means the big guys in DC were telling people it was "rare" and "unlikely" to get to the US, less than a week before. You want to blame someone, blame the people dismissing it as not a threat at the top levels. The incompetence you want to start with, is CDC, WHO, Obama Administration who didn't want to admit there is a problem. GOLF!
I don't know about virus mutations, but I rather doubt I'll trust the government to tell me the truth. They were greatly mistaken about Ebola in the US, from the moment they said "do not worry, it isn't coming here" to the time it arrived was less than one week. THEN they tell us that it is hard to catch, and then two workers have caught it, and several others are in quarantine waiting for 21 days to go by. And we've spent nearly 1 Million dollars trying to clean up the first case.
So, excuse me when I don't believe our government. It lies, that is what it does. Because to tell the truth is more dangerous than to lie and simply say "oops sorry".
We are good at both. The problem isn't panic though. Panic is caused by uncontrolled fear. Fear of death is real fear. It is also inevitable. Thus people fear the inevitable, and act irrationally when faced with it. IF you want to solve the fear of death issue, then we need to face our own mortality, dead on (pun intended).
Unfortunately, we have too many people trying to avoid facing it, who hide and obfuscate death, because they are scared of it. Feedback loop completed.
Except for that one very specific symptom of traveling to Western Africa!... for now.
FTFY
We're working really hard to make sure that Ebola isn't the racist disease it is now. You see, being insensitive to one's place of birth is RACIST. Even the relatives of the dead guy are claiming RACISM at the Dallas hospital is why he died. So, we're focusing on useless measures just so we remain PC.
Everything is better than something, especially when something is more or less the same as doing nothing with noise. I'm for using EVERY means to stop this shit once and for all, and you are not. Thanks for trying.
Not only is there absolutely no way to close all the borders to anyone coming in from "Ebola Land" (please tell me I don't need to explain why), but the *cost* of doing so is probably beyond what you can even imagine.
We could. We don't have the will to. There is a difference. And the cost? that is an interesting claim considering the ONE (1) Ebola person who came here, cost the US and TX and DALLAS people over 1 Million dollars (and climbing) to treat, clean up his mess, simply because he wanted free healthcare. Did you know that?
Ebola is a very low-transmission disease (in the first world, at least).
Tell that to all the WHO people who have contracted it an died. Tell that to the Dallas Nurse who is fighting for her life right now. Very reassuring you repeating it though.
The point is someone going from Africa to Europe and then to the US. Do we know every country that every person landing in a US airport has been in for the past 21 days?
Ask the NSA?;)
but it won't stop the spread entirely.
I am not looking to stopping it completely. I'm looking at the best way to keep it from spreading. Period. Right now, it isn't contained. It isn't likely to be contained any time soon because people are too scared to do ALL the things needed to contain it as best as we can. BEST means all options on the table, even the ones we don't like because they are not Politically Correct.
They can, but many do not. Ability doesn't mean willingness. I applaud you. You can be on my plane with all the deaf people;) "Common Sense" is an oxymoronic statement. It isn't that common any more. Unless of course they are in an emergency row. Until it affects others. Like I said, you can fly on my plane filled with deaf people;) Where are the fucking emergency rows again? Just hope you have Capt Sully flying.
I didn't slippery slope the argument. And slippery slope is a logical fallacy, not because it isn't true, but because it isn't true all the time (can be false). I'm not constructing a logical argument to an ultimate truth, therefore crying Slippery slope is not a falsification.
If you're going to toss around logical fallacies, please apply them to the previous point, which is completely nullified because no supporting argument was made, just opinion. He offers up an argument "draconian sledgehammer won't work" which is either wrong, or applies to ALL "solutions" equally, and therefore the conclusion is that we shouldn't even try it (implied conclusion).
My point, which is not slippery slope, just asking for equal application of "won't work" across ALL options. If that is the criteria for supporting doing something or not (as was implied) then, every solution "doesn't work".
Despite your best wishes, being sick should never be a crime.
This is true. But if you lie, break other laws and otherwise endanger others because of your actions, or inaction, that SHOULD be a crime. When you voluntarily quarantine people and they DELIBERATELY leave, they have threatened others with death or great bodily injury, and that should be a FUCKING CRIME even when you're sick. In short, committing crimes is a crime, even when you are sick.
There are no better solutions, simply because you don't "like" the one I proposed. It does work, and limits other people being exposed to a deadly virus that doesn't care one wit about Political Correctness. We already are using Quarantines because they DO work. Keeping people lockin, and locked out, will limit exposure. It sucks, but it does work.
But let us let everyone in who isn't showing symptoms in (or out) only to have them be contagious later. What could possibly go wrong?
I really can't tell if you're for Competition or Monopolies. Most conservatives believe the government created monopolies are a bad thing, while liberals support Government regulated monopolies, because of, you know, regulations. Every regulation that increases the cost to enter into the market reduces competition, raises prices, and profits. Creating The very Corporatocracy that you claim you're against.
And voting for Obama because he wasn't Romney is why liberals are just plain stupid. They elected someone who has no experience doing anything, because he looked better on paper (having done nothing, including voting "present"). You're disappointed in him, but he has done EVERYTHING he said he was going to do, you were either too dumb or not paying attention what he was actually saying.
And how is the whole "spreading the wealth around" thing working out? These last six years has seen the wealthiest people getting richer, while the middle class is being bludgeoned by more taxes, more regulation, more government telling them what to do, more invasion of privacy, more scandals. I wonder if this was GWB (or Romney) how you guys would be apoplectic how evil he was.
You know it is bad when Cheney and Carter both say the same thing about Obama's foreign policy. Suck it up and admit that you can't fix this Obamanation, and actually vote for real change (Libertarian).
Please let me know when you can take a train or drive to the USA from Africa. Europe can deal with it differently, but a train, car ride from West Africa to France is a long long way around. Flying is already being limited for the exact reason it should, people can get sick on the plane and infect everyone.
And when Political Correctness starts killing people, will people be smart enough to stop with the PC idiocy? Ebola doesn't care about our sensitivities.
The only way to fix this at this stage is to let your congresspeople know that you'll fire them if they don't fix this.
This is not the only way to fix it. It isn't even the best way to fix it. It isn't even the cheapest way to fix it. This is the stupidest way to fix it.
The best way to fix it, is to free the last mile from Monopolies. Build out Municipal Fiber, build a COLO facility for ISPs to offer their wares to the Municipal Customers, using the now UNRESTRICTED last mile. No need for any "laws" or "regulations" or big money spent on politics. Fix the problem were it starts, last mile.
Competition is actually pretty healthy once you get out of that residential last-mile
The solution is to break up Monopoly of the Last mile. Municipal owned transport media (Fiber) back hauled to a COLO where several ISPs can offer their services is the only solution that is viable in the long term. Then Verizon FIOS, Comcast, TimeWarner, Cox, Charter and all the rest can compete on "we offer high speed Netflix", and Cable Channels people actually want.
Your logic is impeccable. But only if that is all there is.
1) A deaf person is rare. A plane full of idiots who can't stop listening to their crappy music for 1/2 hour is not. 2) A deaf person already knows how to deal with their impairment, and their awareness in other areas exceeds the average person's already. A plane full of idiots who can't stop listening to their music is not aware of anything, because they have already escaped into their own musical world.
ALL other things being equal, I'll take a plane full of deaf people over a bunch of idiots who can't stop listening to music for 1/2 hour.
yeah, stupid people more worried about being Politically Correct rather than take simple solutions to huge problems, because it might offend someone. Ebola doesn't care about offending people, it just kills 70% of the people who get it.
2) Mandatory 21 day Quarantine, solves the issue. Lie about it, get caught, and go to prison for 3-5 years. Life if you spread Ebola after lying and somehow survive.
Why do we have to have finely nuanced approaches that don't work is beyond me.
Verizon Customers demanding Content, how dare they !
In Netflix Case, they can provide ALL the content their (Verizon's, Comcast's etc) customers are demanding. Verizon and others are trying to pass the cost associated with the demands of their customers (bandwidth) onto Netflix. If Netflix can produce the content, and deliver it to Verizon, and yet Verizon doesn't upgrade their capacity, because they want get more money, then they should be going to Joe Customer for more money to pay for Joe Customer's demands (Netflix).
And like I said, since they (Netflix/Verizon etc) all live in the same COLO, it is literally just a cable away from an upgrade. The interview I saw had Netflix CEO basically saying "We'll buy the equipment for Comcast, if they can't afford it" The problem isn't bandwidth, both sides have enough open room on their own part of the network, it is the interconnect between them, and that is entirely the problem of the Bandwidth sellers, who want to have Netflix pay for delivering content, their own customers are demanding.
And in other news, you get what you pay for.
Unfortunately, no. Most of the US doesn't have a choice between FIOS providers, or Cable Providers. If that were the case, Verizon FIOS would have to compete with "We provide top notch delivery to services such as Netflix. We guarantee HD quality 95% of the time!"
The problem is, the government is not doing what it can do, because it is afraid of offending people in a world where Political Correctness is going to kill millions.
Ebola is easy to stop. We have oceans to protect us. All we need to do is stop allowing the 25,000 VISAS from affected countries from being used to gain entry. But t hat is too politically incorrect, so instead we're going to infect our troops by building hospitals there. Don't tell me that it is "low risk", because that is what they said in Dallas. And one million dollars for the first patent later we having stopped anything.
Here is an idea, lets use Military to kill people and break things, and if we can't stomach that, bring them home. That is what they do.
The problem isn't the bandwidth. Verizon FIOS has the bandwidth, and Netflix has the Bandwidth. The problem is not the bandwidth, the problem is you, willing to "pay more" to get Verizon and Netflix to install a cable between their switches at the COLO facility, which is something they should do. But if Verizon FIOS is anything like Comcast, they want to charge Netflix to bring Netflix to their own customers.
You are Netflix Customer You are Verizon FIOS Customer You are already paying for their service (both sides).
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Unprepared doesn't indicate incompetence. Unprepared means the big guys in DC were telling people it was "rare" and "unlikely" to get to the US, less than a week before. You want to blame someone, blame the people dismissing it as not a threat at the top levels. The incompetence you want to start with, is CDC, WHO, Obama Administration who didn't want to admit there is a problem. GOLF!
Because being told what to do by an overbearing government is "Civilization". No thanks.
So, smart tech firms should be hiring women, who work for substantially less money than men, all other things being equal.
But they aren't. Why? Because men hate women!
I don't know about virus mutations, but I rather doubt I'll trust the government to tell me the truth. They were greatly mistaken about Ebola in the US, from the moment they said "do not worry, it isn't coming here" to the time it arrived was less than one week. THEN they tell us that it is hard to catch, and then two workers have caught it, and several others are in quarantine waiting for 21 days to go by. And we've spent nearly 1 Million dollars trying to clean up the first case.
So, excuse me when I don't believe our government. It lies, that is what it does. Because to tell the truth is more dangerous than to lie and simply say "oops sorry".
We are good at both. The problem isn't panic though. Panic is caused by uncontrolled fear. Fear of death is real fear. It is also inevitable. Thus people fear the inevitable, and act irrationally when faced with it. IF you want to solve the fear of death issue, then we need to face our own mortality, dead on (pun intended).
Unfortunately, we have too many people trying to avoid facing it, who hide and obfuscate death, because they are scared of it. Feedback loop completed.
I think you mean seppuku
Except for that one very specific symptom of traveling to Western Africa! ... for now.
FTFY
We're working really hard to make sure that Ebola isn't the racist disease it is now. You see, being insensitive to one's place of birth is RACIST. Even the relatives of the dead guy are claiming RACISM at the Dallas hospital is why he died. So, we're focusing on useless measures just so we remain PC.
I got an A in logic as well.
Everything is better than something, especially when something is more or less the same as doing nothing with noise. I'm for using EVERY means to stop this shit once and for all, and you are not. Thanks for trying.
Not only is there absolutely no way to close all the borders to anyone coming in from "Ebola Land" (please tell me I don't need to explain why), but the *cost* of doing so is probably beyond what you can even imagine.
We could. We don't have the will to. There is a difference. And the cost? that is an interesting claim considering the ONE (1) Ebola person who came here, cost the US and TX and DALLAS people over 1 Million dollars (and climbing) to treat, clean up his mess, simply because he wanted free healthcare. Did you know that?
Ebola is a very low-transmission disease (in the first world, at least).
Tell that to all the WHO people who have contracted it an died. Tell that to the Dallas Nurse who is fighting for her life right now. Very reassuring you repeating it though.
The point is someone going from Africa to Europe and then to the US. Do we know every country that every person landing in a US airport has been in for the past 21 days?
Ask the NSA? ;)
but it won't stop the spread entirely.
I am not looking to stopping it completely. I'm looking at the best way to keep it from spreading. Period. Right now, it isn't contained. It isn't likely to be contained any time soon because people are too scared to do ALL the things needed to contain it as best as we can. BEST means all options on the table, even the ones we don't like because they are not Politically Correct.
They can, but many do not. Ability doesn't mean willingness. ;) ;)
I applaud you. You can be on my plane with all the deaf people
"Common Sense" is an oxymoronic statement. It isn't that common any more. Unless of course they are in an emergency row.
Until it affects others.
Like I said, you can fly on my plane filled with deaf people
Where are the fucking emergency rows again?
Just hope you have Capt Sully flying.
I didn't slippery slope the argument. And slippery slope is a logical fallacy, not because it isn't true, but because it isn't true all the time (can be false). I'm not constructing a logical argument to an ultimate truth, therefore crying Slippery slope is not a falsification.
If you're going to toss around logical fallacies, please apply them to the previous point, which is completely nullified because no supporting argument was made, just opinion. He offers up an argument "draconian sledgehammer won't work" which is either wrong, or applies to ALL "solutions" equally, and therefore the conclusion is that we shouldn't even try it (implied conclusion).
My point, which is not slippery slope, just asking for equal application of "won't work" across ALL options. If that is the criteria for supporting doing something or not (as was implied) then, every solution "doesn't work".
Despite your best wishes, being sick should never be a crime.
This is true. But if you lie, break other laws and otherwise endanger others because of your actions, or inaction, that SHOULD be a crime. When you voluntarily quarantine people and they DELIBERATELY leave, they have threatened others with death or great bodily injury, and that should be a FUCKING CRIME even when you're sick. In short, committing crimes is a crime, even when you are sick.
There are no better solutions, simply because you don't "like" the one I proposed. It does work, and limits other people being exposed to a deadly virus that doesn't care one wit about Political Correctness. We already are using Quarantines because they DO work. Keeping people lockin, and locked out, will limit exposure. It sucks, but it does work.
But let us let everyone in who isn't showing symptoms in (or out) only to have them be contagious later. What could possibly go wrong?
I really can't tell if you're for Competition or Monopolies. Most conservatives believe the government created monopolies are a bad thing, while liberals support Government regulated monopolies, because of, you know, regulations. Every regulation that increases the cost to enter into the market reduces competition, raises prices, and profits. Creating The very Corporatocracy that you claim you're against.
And voting for Obama because he wasn't Romney is why liberals are just plain stupid. They elected someone who has no experience doing anything, because he looked better on paper (having done nothing, including voting "present"). You're disappointed in him, but he has done EVERYTHING he said he was going to do, you were either too dumb or not paying attention what he was actually saying.
And how is the whole "spreading the wealth around" thing working out? These last six years has seen the wealthiest people getting richer, while the middle class is being bludgeoned by more taxes, more regulation, more government telling them what to do, more invasion of privacy, more scandals. I wonder if this was GWB (or Romney) how you guys would be apoplectic how evil he was.
You know it is bad when Cheney and Carter both say the same thing about Obama's foreign policy. Suck it up and admit that you can't fix this Obamanation, and actually vote for real change (Libertarian).
I got an A in calculus.
Please let me know when you can take a train or drive to the USA from Africa. Europe can deal with it differently, but a train, car ride from West Africa to France is a long long way around. Flying is already being limited for the exact reason it should, people can get sick on the plane and infect everyone.
And when Political Correctness starts killing people, will people be smart enough to stop with the PC idiocy? Ebola doesn't care about our sensitivities.
The only way to fix this at this stage is to let your congresspeople know that you'll fire them if they don't fix this.
This is not the only way to fix it. It isn't even the best way to fix it. It isn't even the cheapest way to fix it. This is the stupidest way to fix it.
The best way to fix it, is to free the last mile from Monopolies. Build out Municipal Fiber, build a COLO facility for ISPs to offer their wares to the Municipal Customers, using the now UNRESTRICTED last mile. No need for any "laws" or "regulations" or big money spent on politics. Fix the problem were it starts, last mile.
Competition is actually pretty healthy once you get out of that residential last-mile
The solution is to break up Monopoly of the Last mile. Municipal owned transport media (Fiber) back hauled to a COLO where several ISPs can offer their services is the only solution that is viable in the long term. Then Verizon FIOS, Comcast, TimeWarner, Cox, Charter and all the rest can compete on "we offer high speed Netflix", and Cable Channels people actually want.
Your logic is impeccable. But only if that is all there is.
1) A deaf person is rare. A plane full of idiots who can't stop listening to their crappy music for 1/2 hour is not.
2) A deaf person already knows how to deal with their impairment, and their awareness in other areas exceeds the average person's already. A plane full of idiots who can't stop listening to their music is not aware of anything, because they have already escaped into their own musical world.
ALL other things being equal, I'll take a plane full of deaf people over a bunch of idiots who can't stop listening to music for 1/2 hour.
yeah, stupid people more worried about being Politically Correct rather than take simple solutions to huge problems, because it might offend someone. Ebola doesn't care about offending people, it just kills 70% of the people who get it.
Quarantine anyone coming from Africa. Was a little critical thinking too fucking hard?
Because your weird draconian sledgehammer method won't work either?
Won't work? Nothing "works" 100%, so by that measure, your implication is that since it "won't work" we simply shouldn't do it. Great Suggestion!
The Real "Brute Force" approach.
1) How Dallas Happened.
2) Mandatory 21 day Quarantine, solves the issue. Lie about it, get caught, and go to prison for 3-5 years. Life if you spread Ebola after lying and somehow survive.
Why do we have to have finely nuanced approaches that don't work is beyond me.
Verizon Customers demanding Content, how dare they !
In Netflix Case, they can provide ALL the content their (Verizon's, Comcast's etc) customers are demanding. Verizon and others are trying to pass the cost associated with the demands of their customers (bandwidth) onto Netflix. If Netflix can produce the content, and deliver it to Verizon, and yet Verizon doesn't upgrade their capacity, because they want get more money, then they should be going to Joe Customer for more money to pay for Joe Customer's demands (Netflix).
And like I said, since they (Netflix/Verizon etc) all live in the same COLO, it is literally just a cable away from an upgrade. The interview I saw had Netflix CEO basically saying "We'll buy the equipment for Comcast, if they can't afford it" The problem isn't bandwidth, both sides have enough open room on their own part of the network, it is the interconnect between them, and that is entirely the problem of the Bandwidth sellers, who want to have Netflix pay for delivering content, their own customers are demanding.
And in other news, you get what you pay for.
Unfortunately, no. Most of the US doesn't have a choice between FIOS providers, or Cable Providers. If that were the case, Verizon FIOS would have to compete with "We provide top notch delivery to services such as Netflix. We guarantee HD quality 95% of the time!"
The problem is, the government is not doing what it can do, because it is afraid of offending people in a world where Political Correctness is going to kill millions.
Ebola is easy to stop. We have oceans to protect us. All we need to do is stop allowing the 25,000 VISAS from affected countries from being used to gain entry. But t hat is too politically incorrect, so instead we're going to infect our troops by building hospitals there. Don't tell me that it is "low risk", because that is what they said in Dallas. And one million dollars for the first patent later we having stopped anything.
Here is an idea, lets use Military to kill people and break things, and if we can't stomach that, bring them home. That is what they do.
I'd pay more for better bandwidth.
The problem isn't the bandwidth. Verizon FIOS has the bandwidth, and Netflix has the Bandwidth. The problem is not the bandwidth, the problem is you, willing to "pay more" to get Verizon and Netflix to install a cable between their switches at the COLO facility, which is something they should do. But if Verizon FIOS is anything like Comcast, they want to charge Netflix to bring Netflix to their own customers.
You are Netflix Customer
You are Verizon FIOS Customer
You are already paying for their service (both sides).
KimKardashian would be a dictionary attack, not brute force.
A bot net would have this cracked in almost no time.