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Olympic Tickets Contain Microchip With Your Data
OMNIpotusCOM writes "Tickets to the Olympic opening and closing ceremonies will contain a microchip with information about the ticket holder, including a photograph, passport details, addresses, e-mail, and telephone numbers. The stated intent is to keep troublemakers out of the 91,000-seat National Stadium so that they cannot cause disruptions while China is on world-wide television, but it brings up serious concerns for privacy and identity theft."
Well, that's it then. I'm not going.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
.. it brings up serious concerns for privacy and identity theft. Coming from a nation that brings up serious concerns for pretty much every other human right I can think of, this comes as no surprise.Do it yourself, because no one else will do it yourself. [beta blockade 10-17 Feb]
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Actually the real scarry thing is that if it works there then we are sure to see it used in other venues where security is a consern such as the World Cup (Soccer).
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
I don't see the problem with this. It's not like China has ever has taken advantage of technology to control people there. There aren't any stories of people being arrested just for disagreeing with the government. There aren't any human rights issues in China.
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>> so that they cannot cause disruptions while China is on world-wide television
So much for free Tibet... with every purchase.
i went on a cruise and having photos seems quite regular for regulating getting on and off the boat. i can understand China's point of view of trying to keep out bad people. though it raises moral concerns, don't forget that there's a big chance for terrorism--especially with the protests to china. i'm not saying that it's a good thing; i'm just playing the devil's advocate-- i don't want big brother either, unless it's in the hands that i voted for.
Those of us who think they know everything annoy those of us who do.
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What?
Call me a skeptic, but I don't see how having my email address embedded in a ticket would keep out troublemakers.
Maybe they feel there's a correlation between someone who doesn't want to share personal information and troublemaker.
Look guys, certain things are inevitable. They will eventually clone a human - somewhere in the world - regardless of laws. We will eventually have computer chips embedded under our skin - it will start with a way to track children, then a way to expedite purchases, then a way to hold critical medical info and so on. And so on and so on ...
All we can do is educate ourselves, stay informed and be alert.
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Going on the premise that China is the worlds first mature fascist government, would these tickets be considered unreasonable if the Olympics were being sponsored by a corporation? What if ExxonMobil hosted the Olympics? Or Walmart? Or HSBC? Or General Electric? If any of these companies hosted a sporting event, would it be unreasonable for them, as a business, to track this data within the tickets? My thinking is that China is simply becoming more of a corporate entity than a nation (albeit, a corporation with a billion employees). It seems like these tickets reflect that concept. Agree? Disagree?
I'd say it also brings up pretty serious concerns about the various definitions and interpretations of the word "troublemaker". Perspective is a wonderful thing - until they take it from you.
If it's for one event, it strikes me that they could have a unique ID number for each ticket, and then just cross-reference that number with an external database. Methinks that'd take care of a lot of problems.
We will eventually have computer chips embedded under our skin - it will start with a way to track children, then a way to expedite purchases, then a way to hold critical medical info and so on.
I think you've got some things out of order. We've already started by chipping pets and certain researchers. I think the next thing would be chipping soldiers as a replacement/supplement to dog tags. Once there, it will be a small step to chipping the elderly and ill, especially Alzheimer's and those who tend to wander off and forget things. Next will be children. Then, last of all, joe consumer. After all, Joe can carry a paypass RFID keyfob, or an RFID credit card. So why get it implanted?
Oh, and prisoners. They'll wind up getting chipped at some point as well.
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If they wanted to, they could have very easily tracked card number, and thereby person buying, with ticket info.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Most of the visitors will already have an RFID passport on them.
Since when did the Chinese government care about privacy and identity theft? They don't even care about human rights. You'd probably get a bullet for even mentioning the issue, in China.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
So long as everyone wants to buy cheap stuff at WalMart, the foreigners will not care about the human rights record of China only that they saved 'all this money' buying stuff they do not need with money they do not have.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
Westerners all look the same, anyway.
What's that? Ohh, you round-eyes got no sense of humour!
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The doctor said I'm not supposed to get Slashdot in it!
Cannot understand why they need to embed some many info there. A single ID is enough to look up all information already saved on the server.
This should not be tolerated! Our president must take a stand! President Bush should be willing to have America boycott the opening ceremony, just as the French President is willing to do, if China does not stop this nonsense-ical human rights violations.
Bring magnet.
Is this not more like "Your Rights Offline"?
Seriously, though, way back in the Stone Age when I attended the Olympics, things were a lot different. The volunteers were given unsold tickets for the events, and they basically had tickets for any event that was not sold out. I got to be friends with them and got a lot of free tickets.
So, what would stop somebody from using somebody else's ticket? Are they seriously thinking of carding everybody at the door to every event? That would have been impossible when I went. Just checking the tickets was almost too much for the volunteers. This is especially true since it is unlikely that the volunteer's tickets will contain that information and since the volunteers are the ones checking the tickets.
Then again, this is China we are talking about, so they could literally have hired everybody who will work the Games. That certainly was not possible in any of the previous host countries.
The really disturbing part of all this is not the tickets but the fact that the very same information has very probably already been shared with every corporate sponsor of the Games.
Big Brother Is Watching Your Wallet!
All data is speech. All speech is Free.
Never mind a chip. What's the lead content of the tickets?
ROTFL
Yes, thats why we see the good ole US of A protecting its citizens rights so very very well these days.
Tell people that it will stop the terrorism, drug problems, and help them buy new Hummers, and people will be voting FOR it, not against.
After all, pretty quickly the majority will see that this would be a great way to accurately identify those 'troublemakers' you mentioned, and keep them out of their nice safe middle-class lives.
I estimate that if you chipped the soldiers overseas, at least 20% of the US population would get chips just to show their support!
...Olympics watch you!
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from the Chinese? You don't say.
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People doing stuff other people don't like, regardless of what it is.
The question is, how big of a trouble makers can you be before you go to jail?
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OMG, you mean that during your VOLUNTARY attendance of a HUGE international event they have some way of tracking you?? God forbid! This is NOT such a big freakin' deal that all of you paranoid folk on Slashdot like to make it out to be. If you are so worried about being tracked then don't buy a ticket and don't attend.
This post shows how easily the poster lose his/her reasoning capabilities. Do you really think it's necessary to contain all data in the tickets? Wouldn't it be more efficiency just containing an ID but storing all info in background DB? Besides, not everything from your brain to your dick's size is necessary for identifying you as a terrorist. And, do you really think going to attend a easily-terrorist-targeted event like opening ceromony should be as anonymous as you can bash China on slashdot? Tell me why every time I need to take off my waist belt/shoes to US airport SA before boarding? and every time I have to leave my palm print scanned when entering US! The logic of China keeping-troublemake-away using eticket is simply false. Who do you think will make more trouble? a tiny pixel with ticket in ten thousands of seets or athelitics in the ground without tickets?
I do not see why you would have a problem with this. As someone who entered the United States from a different country, when I paid to attend college, all my information is tracked by the government (through my college). Other privacy issues involve my phone calls being freely tapped into. In fact, something that inconveniences me (not a privacy issue) is people not being able to transfer money into my bank account online which marks me as a non-resident alien.
As an alien in this country, I am subjected to intrusion of privacy by a multitude of institutions that I do business with - The only way to avoid that is to "go under" and become an illegal immigrant.
I perfectly understand the need for this. I am an immigrant to the USA and if the society here (which has been nice enough to tolerate me) feels safer by having my life glimpsed at, I am OK with it. I strongly dislike it, but atleast they let me stay here eh?
What my college does with my privacy and what the Olympics committee of China does with a tourist's is not all that different.
I would however be mighty pissed if I were a Chinese citizen and subjected to this treatment. I truly feel sorry for them.
I am just pointing out that aliens in a country having their privacy violated is not unusual and as an alien I am not particularly bothered by China doing it to tourists.
Note: This is NOT an "I have nothing to hide" issue. It's more of "Thanks for letting me be in your house, you can watch me and I will be on my best behaviour"
Cheers!
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So how do they keep troublemakers from just buying a ticket?
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
You might want to check where that "Made in the USA" crap is actually made. Some of the embedded products I work with are made in China but assembled here. Then it can be incorporated into other products, also mostly made in China, and those can be called MITUSA as well.
If it's made using a process that might peak the interests of the EPA it's probably made in someone else's toxic waste dump.
BTW there are things we cannot buy in the US unless we geared up to make them. We can't gear up to make them because the EPA would eviscerate us. It does not matter if we could do the job legally or not. It's not about slave labor but government regulation.
First, how many of you really went to China to see what is happening over there? Or just read/watch "Western Media"? Second, how many of you really talked to normal Chinese people instead of those overseas? Please note: You are in the middle of the most rapid and the largest scale development in human history. Don't see this wave in US or Europe? Of cause not, cause it's in China. I'm Chinese. Even myself can't believe my it even though I go back China every year. I'm proud of that. Yes, we have problems. But everybody has. The key is China is progressing, growing and improving. And what I see, at least in US, is shrinking. Hmm. You can condemn China cause it has problem. But I don't think any average Chinese people care cause they are too busy on making money and enjoying their life. China was never influenced by foreign country from its history. It has its own pace. You can only watch. Wake up!
Look, you're going to a International Event Where there are going to be a LOT of rich, influential people. Security is going to be tight, it has to be.
They aren't even storing anything out of the ordinary on the chip for an event of this caliber.
with... flags! Those evil terrorists might unfurl a flag and kill... no one!
It's sad the tone of this article from CANADA so readily equates acts of terrorism with the possibility of someone simply unfurling a tibetan flag. Is it just the english speaking countries that have gone completely batshit insane, or is liberty actually enadangered EVERYWHERE in the world now?
that microwaving your tickets might not be so wise of an idea.
Im pro-human right just as much as anyone else who enjoys calling their politician dicks but lets inject some reality here. For those Americans talking about a police state go talk to anyone who is visiting the USA and you will see all the weird and bizarre hoops you now have to jump through that makes a visit to China look like a visit to your local coffee shop. Those who come from Europe, ID cards big brother camera all over the place and knee-jerk politicians bringing in "we have the right to anal probe you if you don't return a book on time" laws. Yes China has issues but western nations should be holding their heads in shame as they let their leaders destroy all the freedoms won by those who have risked lives and limbs over the years because it "doesnt effect me".
Regarding the original story, my biggest worry is how much of the information given to gain tickets will be sold by corrupt officials to countries who think freedom means you are free to scream while getting tortured.
In Taiwan I actually saw places that could get you the machines. So I suspect the reason people move to China from the US/UK probably is regulation. Of course there are places like Taiwan that have low regulation, cheapish labour costs but are still Open Societies in the Karl Popper sense. They're fun to live in too. I plan to do board manufacturing there, should I ever need to do any.
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In Communist China your ticket holds you!
Those who come from Europe, ID cards big brother camera all over the place
Been in the UK lately? And you better not be Brazilian..
What you're saying is that if I invite you to my house you feel that it is OK for me to demand you will tell me everything about yourself, including but not limited to your sexual preferences, infectious diseases, how much money you make and what you did with that child two weeks ago.
Oh, there was nothing with a child? Sorry, it's on the database and we know that is reliable because everyone providing that data is 100% reliable, unbiased and wholly without a personal or political agenda. And will only use that data for lawful purposes.
I hope I made you wake up to some degree. I am perfectly OK with law enforcement having access to such data fur just cause, but without oversight and control this sort of data becomes a bigger risk than picking up your soap in jail house showers..
Just because his vision of what the future looks like is different than yours? He said it in the most neutral way and judging by the replies he sure created a whole thread of conversation thereby adding some value to the discussion. I can't imagine how many idiots get mod points here!
I get finger printed, photographied, sometimes interrogated, paper-ed, belt & shoe stripped , and in future even technically stripped with some Tera-hertz waves. They can also snoop my laptop, require that I give my addresses where I live, and as far as I know, I have to have my passport ready at any time. The only difference I see, is that the chinese want to keep the same info on a stadium ticket and most probably in a database, whereas the US keep it in a database.Big. Effing. Deal. Sorry but you both suck for foreigner on privacy ground.
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presidenthuisamurderingratbag@tyrannicalassholes.gov.cn Put that in your ticket and parse it.
I piss off bigots.
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feel welcome.
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Just think how much more data will be in the tickets for the 2012 Olympics.
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What did you expect from a totalitarian government? I mean, this is China we're talking about.
Ugh, those flag-furlers are scary, ain't they? I guess it's like Dubya would say: either you're with us...or you're with the flag-wavers.
Development is programmable; Discovery is not programmable. (Fuller)
If a sufficient number of people wanted to screw this up, they could easily poison the data. Before attending the games, get together en-mass, and randomly exchange the tickets. A group of folks do this with reward points cards to mess with the demographic information / purchasing patterns data. They could do the same at the Olympics. Suddenly, no one who shows up at the gate matches their State Approved ID. The government can either arrest 10,000 tourists over the course of an hour, or make an executive decision to say 'screw it' and ignore the ticket information.
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The article states that the inclusion of chips would prevent the transfer of tickets. It's very common practice for tickets for major events to be resold; would each ticket need to be rekeyed in the event of a sale? Disallowing ticket resales would be unprecedented in Olympic history. In addition, most sponsor organizations, the IOC, and participating countries are usually given largeblocks of tickets to do with as they please. The logistical requirements will be huge if BOCOG requires each of these tickets to have the information encoded as well.
--Sam
> And as long as you furriners keep bashing us and flying planes into buildings we'll welcome you back. I'm glad you sold your US assets. I'm sick of furriners buying everything up.
You couldn't have proved the parent's point better if you'd tried.
As I see it, only a few countries like North Korea didn't erupt in protest and try to stop the torch from passing through. It's no longer at all about what the people want, it's about what the IOC wants because there are VAST UNTOLD RICHES to be made from this whole process. Lately, China is known primarily for defective goods, knockoff goods with zero gov't attempt to stop them, tained foods, human rights abuses, and a steady stream of new cyber attacks.
I say the Chinese government (not the people so much), the whole Olympic organization, and their sponsors can take a hike. Whoever continues to support it at this point gets what's coming to them. I'm just looking forward to seeing how many foreign-but-not-neccesarily-American tourists get trapped in Chinese prisons while over there while their governments stay quiet out of fear of upsetting China.
Relax, the penalty for identity theft in China, like everything else, is probably beheading. ;-)
"The way in which you recognize an evildoer, somebody who wants to throw a bomb, somebody who wants to unfurl a Tibet flag is not on the basis of their identity,"
I don't know about identities, but I'd say there's quite a difference between someone throwing a bomb and unfurling a Tibet flag, but maybe that's just me.
You couldn't pick a better group of marks!
People attending the Olympics in China are (unless family of athletes / staff) filthy rich. Aside from the exempted classes, EVERY American attending will have a net worth well over a million. The estimates for decent housing and decent air travel (NYC or LA) to the games exceeds $50k/person. If you can afford to take the spouse for a $100k jaunt to China - you have disposable income,
Targets? Don't you see those big targets on their backs?
Contemplate the wealth of those from other nations - the poorer the nation the higher the net wealth of the attendee. OTOH, they will have their personal security details along.
This is a black-hat hacker Christmas.
an RFID tag only carries a 96 bit unique key and since they know who's buying the ticket anyways its not a big deal that they match them up at the gate. And who really cares if you unique key gets stolen?
It isn't as if china isn't home to a huge lot of the identity thefts already...lets give them some more info...
> Seriously, though, way back in the Stone Age when I attended the Olympics,
Gee, most people had to wait for the Bronze Age, and even the Iron Age, before they could attend an Olympics.
That maybe you're just not wanted?
I'd like you to name someplace better, so that I can dredge up all the stupid nonsense they engage in when foreigners try to enter the country. Go ahead, pick one so I can highlight the abuses they engage in and hyperbolically rant about abusing foreigners.
You genuinely think there is anything even remotely abnormal about the things you listed? You clearly can't travel extensively if you do think so.
And while a lot of place ask you pointed question, even place which are considered anti democratic don't go as far as ask you to remove belt and shoe and most of the stuff I cited *ALL* together and *EVERY TIME* you travel there. And frankly, if you start comparing the US to the bottom, then YES I am sure you can find a shittier country which handle foreigner even more poorly. But then i will ask you when you stopped being the beacon of freedom and started to be the beacon of country which are better than Hell-hole-country.
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For evidence of different perceptions on whats important, take a look below by pythonist (1289628) on Wednesday May 28, @01:42AM (#23567123). Great post pythonist.
How are they going to get my data? I've no intention of insulting myself or the Olympic ideal by attending this drug-and-machinery festival.
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Anyone reasonable is actually going to fly to china to watch this.
Note: anyone REASONABLE.
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The Olympic rings and torch ceremony have Nazi origins. Both still honored today, as if they are worthy of such great honor.
"The torch relay that culminates in the ceremonial lighting of the flame at Olympic stadium was ordered by Adolf Hitler, who tried to turn the 1936 Berlin Games into a celebration of the Third Reich."
"With Hitler's influence, the rings became part of the Nazi pageantry at Berlin - and they've come to symbolize the Olympics ever since."