Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production.
You mean like publicly owned corporations, which are called "Fascism" by modern lefties?
AND there is no greater "ownership" for a worker than owning your own business. But in the current "socialistic" "fascist" state, is taxed to death and out of existence by everyone supporting the agenda of welfare, social programs and whatnot. SO, why do Democrats and Bernie hate small businesses and try to tax and regulate them out of business?
The greatest form of "socialism" (using your definition) is small business in a free economic market.
TBH, this is another "Trump is evil" post, doing exactly the same thing Obama did to praise. See, Obama good, Trump evil for doing exactly the same thing.
This is why 1/2 of America doesn't take the whiny left seriously any more. The left has no ideas left, and all they have is "RACIST, SEXIST, MISOGYNY" chants and rioting.
Socialism always leads to collapse of the economy, as people figure out how to game the system. Because it hasn't collapsed everywhere yet, actually goes exactly to the article's premise.
Functioning society doesn't require socialism at all. It requires social contracts of approved behavior, and enforcement of those rules. The problem is, we have a bunch of people who think that rules don't apply to them because the rules are "oppressive". Well duh, rules are oppressive to people who don't want to be bound by them.
Socialism is "for the collective, at the expense of individual liberty". Where there is liberty, socialism cannot take root.
However, you are 100% correct, but that is because "All Governments" are not defending liberty and are actively suppressing liberty. It is just a matter of degree at this point.
Give me a break. You're just blind to the narcissism because it was hidden from you.
"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." - Obama
counted Obama using the words "I," "me," and "my" a total of 199 times in a 2014 speech where he vowed to use executive orders to bypass Congress if they wouldn't acquiesce to his agenda.
So, I call bullshit. Obama was one self centered asswipe. It's just that the left liked what he was doing so it was ignored or excused.
Nope. We have great examples after great examples of people doing what "sounds good", which ends up fucking up everyone else. See Venezuela and Bernie's pride in that country's socialism (before it collapsed)..
“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.”
Socialism is a proven failure, time and again.Yet it "sounds good" and that is enough to keep in propped up on college campuses and dens of Liberals everywhere.
Right, Obama (or Clinton) makes the same pronouncement and you're all for it, Trump makes it and it is "EVIL!!!!!"
Keep it up, and the Democrats will never get back in power. Which is fine by me. The Republicans too are proving just as inept. Which is fine by me. Perhaps we'll actually get a viable third party that doesn't whine like a bitch when they aren't in power, and actually is constructive when they are.
Wealth is relative. If the rich kill all the "poor" people, the definition of "poor" will shift. We'll always have poor people.
For instance, the "poor" people in America (and 1st world) would be considered extremely rich in most of the rest of the world.
If the Rich start killing the poor, it will eventually start killing of the previously designated "rich" who are not "poor", because the definition has shifted.
Technically, if courts worked correctly, we wouldn't need a law, a class action lawsuit or two, suing the vendor, the manufacturer and the seller into oblivion would suffice.
The problem is, courts aren't made for you and I, they are made for lawyers and crooks.
Microsoft Office is commercial software, if you're not paying them to keep the software up to date, then what are you paying for?
Open Source Office products, are generally gratis, and are patched in a more responsible manner. AND you have access yourself to patch it... yourself, unlike... Microsoft Office.
From start to finish, my dishwasher is under 4 hours (not 2 above). We don't run it during the day. I am not sure how that saves energy/money, running for so long, but that is the theory. The dishwasher I grew up with, did a whole load in under an hour.
The biggest difference between the one I grew up with, and the modern ones is that lack of etching on glasses caused by high pressure jets with food washing that was the result from the ancient dishwasher.
Its so bad, that often I do dishes by hand, because it takes too damn long in the dishwasher. I am sure that is "Energy Star" compliant.
companies put an agreed-on label on their products, they have an incentive to check unreasonable-sounding claims from their competitors as do consumer groups
I have NO problem with this. None. Zip. Zero.
What is NOT needed, is government program to do so. Consumer Reports does a great service, and is way more effective than government would be doing the exact same job. AND they aren't influenced by donations to political campaigns. The problem I have is "Government MUST do it, because nobody else will" mentality.
General Welfare is nebulous at best. It is used to describe just about anything someone wants, from Energy Star to just about every social welfare program that has become an Entitlement. Not sure how "Promote" becomes "Entitled" in perpetuity.
The odd thing is, we can't even begin to end programs that have long since served their purposes. Energy Star was great idea, but no longer has any meaning. As I pointed out, it has done nothing to curtail the greater energy sucking Vampires (LED clocks) that are plugged into every outlet of my house. Because my toaster needs a clock.
Except that this program actually got companies "in line"
Got "in line" with what? It is just another label people ignore.
The thing of it is, that energy efficiency doesn't matter once you bought the thing that has its "Energy Star " sticker on it. Nobody calculates that the Fridge you bought 20 years ago is actually costing you money, because its energy usage is twice as much as what is available now. The new "Energy Star" stickered Fridge is twice as efficient as your "Energy Star" stickered Fridge in your kitchen. Most people think they are the same sticker, meaning the same thing "energy efficient" and relative efficiency is nothing but "fancy math stuff"
And "Energy Star" has done nothing to reduce the vampire energy loss due to everything having a damn clock in it, and the blue LED lightbulb, slowly sucking power unknown and unseen because, like the waste in federal spending, it is so small as to simply be an "rounding error".
So, I reject the idea that it is "in line" with anything actually useful, like forcing people to get rid of their 2nd (3rd) Fridge sitting in the Garage, from 30 years ago, which still has the "This unit costs $20 year to operate" Energy Star Sticker still on it. Even though it is more like $20 / month now, 30 years later.
I would feel fine, if you could specified exactly what you want to cut. But unlike what you're protesting (you are) isn't actually something defined constitutionally as a function of Federal Government, Defense spending actually is one of the items specifically mentioned...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...
The Energy Star program costs almost nothing. There are zero government employees actually testing products.
Then, almost by definition, it is worthless. Does nothing, cost nothing and yet people are whining about it disappearing. Do you see the problem yet? Do you even begin to realize that the whole thing is a sham / scam feel good "But the evil _______ are cutting this valuable program!" anytime someone wants to remove it?
And there are thousands such programs with little more than nothing useful, but we can't cut them without some bleeding heart trotting out some anecdotal case.
Those proposing regulations should be able to explain what is "absolutely necessary" about their regulations, and let people decide for themselves. What we don't need are self important people telling us what is absolutely necessary just to regulate something.
I am really sure that most regulations and such start out with the best of intentions. But what I do know is that every time an edge case comes along, those regulations get expanded, to the point of ridiculousness. After all, we have to shut down that kids lemonade stand because it violates some health code somewhere.
I'm more inclined that PE certification, like so many professional certifications, is mostly about eliminating competition and running a kind of cartel,
I can assure you that the PE certification process/requirements was started with a good intention of preventing disasters. However, the ONLY thing that prevents disaster are people who can actually do the work properly, and that the certification process/requirements are incapable of making sure that critical calculations are done correctly. We only can certify that they should be done correctly, and the person doing them should be able to complete those calculations correctly. Not that they actually can or will.
The REAL test is, if a government requires certification, and is in charge of certifications, then the liability for any failure by a certified "engineer" should rest with the certifying authority, or the certification is meaningless. And now, you know where the real problem is. It isn't the certification or the process, it is there is no liability on/for people making the requirements up.
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Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production.
You mean like publicly owned corporations, which are called "Fascism" by modern lefties?
AND there is no greater "ownership" for a worker than owning your own business. But in the current "socialistic" "fascist" state, is taxed to death and out of existence by everyone supporting the agenda of welfare, social programs and whatnot. SO, why do Democrats and Bernie hate small businesses and try to tax and regulate them out of business?
The greatest form of "socialism" (using your definition) is small business in a free economic market.
TBH, this is another "Trump is evil" post, doing exactly the same thing Obama did to praise. See, Obama good, Trump evil for doing exactly the same thing.
This is why 1/2 of America doesn't take the whiny left seriously any more. The left has no ideas left, and all they have is "RACIST, SEXIST, MISOGYNY" chants and rioting.
Socialism always leads to collapse of the economy, as people figure out how to game the system. Because it hasn't collapsed everywhere yet, actually goes exactly to the article's premise.
Functioning society doesn't require socialism at all. It requires social contracts of approved behavior, and enforcement of those rules. The problem is, we have a bunch of people who think that rules don't apply to them because the rules are "oppressive". Well duh, rules are oppressive to people who don't want to be bound by them.
Socialism is "for the collective, at the expense of individual liberty". Where there is liberty, socialism cannot take root.
However, you are 100% correct, but that is because "All Governments" are not defending liberty and are actively suppressing liberty. It is just a matter of degree at this point.
No, neither of them made it about themselves.
Give me a break. You're just blind to the narcissism because it was hidden from you.
"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." - Obama
counted Obama using the words "I," "me," and "my" a total of 199 times in a 2014 speech where he vowed to use executive orders to bypass Congress if they wouldn't acquiesce to his agenda.
So, I call bullshit. Obama was one self centered asswipe. It's just that the left liked what he was doing so it was ignored or excused.
Nope. We have great examples after great examples of people doing what "sounds good", which ends up fucking up everyone else. See Venezuela and Bernie's pride in that country's socialism (before it collapsed) ..
“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.”
Socialism is a proven failure, time and again.Yet it "sounds good" and that is enough to keep in propped up on college campuses and dens of Liberals everywhere.
My signature fits.
Right, Obama (or Clinton) makes the same pronouncement and you're all for it, Trump makes it and it is "EVIL!!!!!"
Keep it up, and the Democrats will never get back in power. Which is fine by me. The Republicans too are proving just as inept. Which is fine by me. Perhaps we'll actually get a viable third party that doesn't whine like a bitch when they aren't in power, and actually is constructive when they are.
but to obey their elite masters without question..
You mean like politicians in DC?
I knew it!!!!
First, the rich could just kill all poor humans.
Wealth is relative. If the rich kill all the "poor" people, the definition of "poor" will shift. We'll always have poor people.
For instance, the "poor" people in America (and 1st world) would be considered extremely rich in most of the rest of the world.
If the Rich start killing the poor, it will eventually start killing of the previously designated "rich" who are not "poor", because the definition has shifted.
Technically, if courts worked correctly, we wouldn't need a law, a class action lawsuit or two, suing the vendor, the manufacturer and the seller into oblivion would suffice.
The problem is, courts aren't made for you and I, they are made for lawyers and crooks.
But, if you want to sell your produce to society, and society has placed some negative value on fertilized or irrigated crops
"Plants Crave Electrolytes!"
Not really. But keep telling yourself that, because we know you're kicking yourself for not mining coins when the could be mined by normal computers.
Hack me! My IP is 127.0.0.1
Good Luck!
Microsoft Office is commercial software, if you're not paying them to keep the software up to date, then what are you paying for?
Open Source Office products, are generally gratis, and are patched in a more responsible manner. AND you have access yourself to patch it ... yourself, unlike ... Microsoft Office.
Hire new writers, and stop getting recycled retreads of movies that have been done three (or more) times before?
I mean, how many Fast N Furious movies are we at? 8 ? ....
How many Star Wars Movies?
How many Superman/batman/thor/wolverine/xmen
Two hours
From start to finish, my dishwasher is under 4 hours (not 2 above). We don't run it during the day. I am not sure how that saves energy/money, running for so long, but that is the theory. The dishwasher I grew up with, did a whole load in under an hour.
The biggest difference between the one I grew up with, and the modern ones is that lack of etching on glasses caused by high pressure jets with food washing that was the result from the ancient dishwasher.
Its so bad, that often I do dishes by hand, because it takes too damn long in the dishwasher. I am sure that is "Energy Star" compliant.
companies put an agreed-on label on their products, they have an incentive to check unreasonable-sounding claims from their competitors as do consumer groups
I have NO problem with this. None. Zip. Zero.
What is NOT needed, is government program to do so. Consumer Reports does a great service, and is way more effective than government would be doing the exact same job. AND they aren't influenced by donations to political campaigns. The problem I have is "Government MUST do it, because nobody else will" mentality.
General Welfare is nebulous at best. It is used to describe just about anything someone wants, from Energy Star to just about every social welfare program that has become an Entitlement. Not sure how "Promote" becomes "Entitled" in perpetuity.
The odd thing is, we can't even begin to end programs that have long since served their purposes. Energy Star was great idea, but no longer has any meaning. As I pointed out, it has done nothing to curtail the greater energy sucking Vampires (LED clocks) that are plugged into every outlet of my house. Because my toaster needs a clock.
Except that this program actually got companies "in line"
Got "in line" with what? It is just another label people ignore.
The thing of it is, that energy efficiency doesn't matter once you bought the thing that has its "Energy Star " sticker on it. Nobody calculates that the Fridge you bought 20 years ago is actually costing you money, because its energy usage is twice as much as what is available now. The new "Energy Star" stickered Fridge is twice as efficient as your "Energy Star" stickered Fridge in your kitchen. Most people think they are the same sticker, meaning the same thing "energy efficient" and relative efficiency is nothing but "fancy math stuff"
And "Energy Star" has done nothing to reduce the vampire energy loss due to everything having a damn clock in it, and the blue LED lightbulb, slowly sucking power unknown and unseen because, like the waste in federal spending, it is so small as to simply be an "rounding error".
So, I reject the idea that it is "in line" with anything actually useful, like forcing people to get rid of their 2nd (3rd) Fridge sitting in the Garage, from 30 years ago, which still has the "This unit costs $20 year to operate" Energy Star Sticker still on it. Even though it is more like $20 / month now, 30 years later.
I would feel fine, if you could specified exactly what you want to cut. But unlike what you're protesting (you are) isn't actually something defined constitutionally as a function of Federal Government, Defense spending actually is one of the items specifically mentioned ...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ...
Not that it matters to people anymore.
The Energy Star program costs almost nothing. There are zero government employees actually testing products.
Then, almost by definition, it is worthless. Does nothing, cost nothing and yet people are whining about it disappearing. Do you see the problem yet? Do you even begin to realize that the whole thing is a sham / scam feel good "But the evil _______ are cutting this valuable program!" anytime someone wants to remove it?
And there are thousands such programs with little more than nothing useful, but we can't cut them without some bleeding heart trotting out some anecdotal case.
Please define absolutely necessary.
Those proposing regulations should be able to explain what is "absolutely necessary" about their regulations, and let people decide for themselves. What we don't need are self important people telling us what is absolutely necessary just to regulate something.
I am really sure that most regulations and such start out with the best of intentions. But what I do know is that every time an edge case comes along, those regulations get expanded, to the point of ridiculousness. After all, we have to shut down that kids lemonade stand because it violates some health code somewhere.
They are cutting __________ (pet program) !!! Bring out the Pitchforks and Torches.
They are for pollution!
They are for killing babies!
They are for eating kittens!
Grandma is going to eat dog food!
They Must Not Cut My Favorite Program, because evil!!!!!!
I'm more inclined that PE certification, like so many professional certifications, is mostly about eliminating competition and running a kind of cartel,
I can assure you that the PE certification process/requirements was started with a good intention of preventing disasters. However, the ONLY thing that prevents disaster are people who can actually do the work properly, and that the certification process/requirements are incapable of making sure that critical calculations are done correctly. We only can certify that they should be done correctly, and the person doing them should be able to complete those calculations correctly. Not that they actually can or will.
The REAL test is, if a government requires certification, and is in charge of certifications, then the liability for any failure by a certified "engineer" should rest with the certifying authority, or the certification is meaningless. And now, you know where the real problem is. It isn't the certification or the process, it is there is no liability on/for people making the requirements up.