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What Happens To Summer TV Binges If Hollywood Writers Strike (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: There also should be plenty of new video fare if Hollywood's writers and studios can't agree on a new contract by Monday. The beautiful thing about a contract is everyone knows when it ends. In this case, the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, which represents some 350 production companies, and the Writers Guild of America, which comprises 12,000 professionals in two chapters, have had three years to prepare for a standoff. In these situations, show makers typically rush to complete a pile of scripts before the deadline. Jerry Nickelsburg, an economist at the University of California at Los Angeles, calls this stockpiling "the inventory effect." This is precisely what happened the last time writers walked off the job, from November 2007 to February 2008. If the writers do, in fact, go through with the strike they approved on Monday, jokes and soaps will be the first things to take a hit. Late-night talk shows and soap operas are to entertainment writers what delis are to hungry New Yorkers -- a daily frenzy of high-volume production. If the sandwich makers don't show up, everybody gets hungry quickly.

205 comments

  1. What happens? by chinton · · Score: 4, Funny

    Go outside and play...

    1. Re:What happens? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mommy or daddy will have to watch over you to make sure you don't run out into the street.. Also so that no one can accused them of being bad parents for letting you play unsupervised. This isn't the 1970's.

    2. Re:What happens? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hire new writers, and stop getting recycled retreads of movies that have been done three (or more) times before?

      I mean, how many Fast N Furious movies are we at? 8 ?
      How many Star Wars Movies?
      How many Superman/batman/thor/wolverine/xmen ....

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    3. Re:What happens? by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      And nothing of value was lost.

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    4. Re:What happens? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Hire new writers, and stop getting recycled retreads of movies that have been done three (or more) times before?

      Nah, it just means more reruns.

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    5. Re:What happens? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Wait...without the writers...

      Will the talk show hosts/comedians have to actually *GASP* remember how to be funny on their own, and create their own material?!?!?!

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    6. Re:What happens? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      i look forward to "I Love Lucy" reruns
      1960's era sitcoms is what i love

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    7. Re:What happens? by _merlin · · Score: 2

      Dream on. People will just keep staring at the idiot box, and possibly complain a little louder on Twitbook. The fact is, people really will lap up whatever's thrown at them, and watch the ads too, even if they're just watching so they know when to unmute the sound. People want to consume, and they don't want to put any effort into thinking about it.

    8. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go outside and play...

      Outside is for plebs. The patrician choice is, of course, to just watch anime.

    9. Re:What happens? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Improvawhatchion?

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    10. Re:What happens? by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1
      The HORROR.

      at the very least this will display to the world what anyone who watched SNL in the early 00's will tell you, that Jimmy Fallon is the unfunniest person on tv.

    11. Re:What happens? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      ...at the very least this will display to the world what anyone who watched SNL in the early 00's will tell you, that Jimmy Fallon is the unfunniest person on tv.

      Well, he *was* quite adept at laughing at everyone else's jokes and bits on SNL when he was a cast member.

      LOL..that guy could NOT keep a straight face during any skit....

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    12. Re:What happens? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Books on the beach.

      Wait, there's TV in the summer? Why?

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    13. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll go outside and play.
      IF the government decides to let them, and doesn't mommy coddle them.
      You see, Government licenses and backs TV because it knows that it's the Great American Pacifier TEAT that you all suck all day... it keeps you workers happy... it's BEER AND FOOTBALL for you morons.
      Meanwhile the Government keeps getting stronger and forcibly taking more things from you...
      taxes, civil asset forfeiture, slave wages, surveilance, data recording, datamining, warrantles searches, guilty before proven innocent, rigging election rules to prevent all but an effective single party pointless system, shitty insurance compared to rest of world, debt and interest control over your money by banking cartel, road pirates taxing you for "expired" papers.

      You're all fucking idiots.
      But hey, Take one for the team, eh.

    14. Re:What happens? by AVryhof · · Score: 1

      Get off my lawn!

    15. Re:What happens? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Wrong writers, which means we get to enjoy shitty unoriginal movies AND TV reruns.

    16. Re:What happens? by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that the decision to recycle, reuse, and remake is coming from the writers?

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    17. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... they just start a reality-show on the life of a comedian without any bookings...

    18. Re:What happens? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Right now, I'm binging on Deep Space 9 on Netflix. I am not worried about writers striking anything or each other.

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    19. Re:What happens? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      How many Superman/batman/thor/wolverine/xmen ....

      Still at 1. They keep retelling the origin story again and again and again and ...

    20. Re:What happens? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      Obligatory The Onion review addressing just this point:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Thank you Peter Rosenthal.

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    21. Re:What happens? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Think about this: There really hasn't been much of any new ideas for movie scripts for at least 50 years or more. There are a few exceptions to this, but very, very few.

    22. Re: What happens? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Any good SF anime released recently?

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    23. Re:What happens? by jedrek · · Score: 1

      Consider this: a late night host shows up on TV and does a 5 minute monologue 5 nights a week. Most comedians spend about 3-6 months writing and testing material to do 15 minutes.

      Using writers is the only way to create more than a small fraction of the TV time people demand.

    24. Re:What happens? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Consider this: a late night host shows up on TV and does a 5 minute monologue 5 nights a week. Most comedians spend about 3-6 months writing and testing material to do 15 minutes.

      Using writers is the only way to create more than a small fraction of the TV time people demand.

      Well, there are talented people out that that *can* do it. Hell, Robin Williams (rip)...could pretty much riff off anything any time anywhere....

      There's talented folks out there that can do it daily and don't need a ton of writers behind them.

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    25. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. They'd be much better off learning how to invest in Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Zclassic than sitting on their dumb asses watching all that stupid fucking TV being pumped in their cranium 24x365.

    26. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is exactly right. Hollywood has maybe a half-dozen scripts that they are capable of producing, and they've been recycling these stories from the very beginning. Sure, they swap the actors around and apply various coats of paint to the film, but if you've been watching Hollywood films for awhile, it soon becomes trivial to predict every character arc and story element by the ten minute mark.

      I can't really blame them though. There is always another crop of suckers ready to spend their money on this pap, and they're making boatloads of cash.

      The question I have to ask is, what is it that writers even do? I suppose they need to shuffle the dialog around enough that they avoid accusations plagiarism, but you'd think this could be done with an algorithm by now.

    27. Re:What happens? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I read that one of Lorne's ideas was that he did *not* want the kind of comedy variety shows that were on around then. Where part of the shtick were the stars and their sidekicks (and the audience) getting into laughing jags (often due to an ad-lib).

      Stars are expensive, too. Ensemble casts, not so much.

      Jimmy does seem to have a charmed life.

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    28. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay.. you're an outlier; you're one of those people for whom nothing is ever good enough anyway, and you're perpetually piss-and-vinegar about everything, all the time; you're making it far worse than it actually is. Typical pattern for someone like you, is next you'll trot out some ancient film or TV show that few if any actually liked, and say 'this is good entertainment, why do you need more than this?' and scoff at anyone who disagrees with you.

      I'll get off your lawn now, old man, before you have a stroke.

    29. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jewish pee-wee herman

    30. Re:What happens? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ha! Your last open-mic was disappointing, eh?

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    31. Re:What happens? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Heck, I have a whole bleepload of stuff on Netflix and Hulu that I haven't had time to see yet. It's going to be awhile before I even get to DS9.

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    32. Re:What happens? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Great link, thanks. It does beg the question of how many Citizen Kane's an average person can stick up their ass.

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    33. Re:What happens? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Friends, I have wasted a day.

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    34. Re:What happens? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Go outside and play...

      Sadly, that won't happen. I fear what *will* happen. The last writers strike is what brought all the reality show crap to the boob tube. No writers needed. Get plots from Jerry Springer. Mad-lib the script. Act like asshats. Biggest expense? The handy-cam.

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    35. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a neat character that you just made up. You aren't a writer by chance?

    36. Re:What happens? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      And Harpo in the mirror!

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    37. Re:What happens? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The HORROR.

      at the very least this will display to the world what anyone who watched SNL in the early 00's will tell you, that Jimmy Fallon is the unfunniest person on tv.

      Jimmy Fallon is a gleeful, energetic fanboy. He's not a comedian (not a credible one) but he found his niche with pop culture talk show host, about the only thing where that attitude can actually work.

    38. Re:What happens? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      It's pretty easy to predict an AC's character arc and motivations by around the 3-paragraph mark.

    39. Re:What happens? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Late-night talk shows and soap operas are to entertainment writers what delis are to hungry New Yorkers -- a daily frenzy of high-volume production. If the sandwich makers don't show up, everybody gets hungry quickly.

      The difference of course; if they serve pictures of sandwiches instead of real sandwiches, everybody still has the same caloric needs.

      If they serve pictures of mindless entertainment instead of real mindless entertainment, everybody was still mindlessly entertained.

      So while my first thought when you said "go outside" was, "*groan* oh no, the parks will get crowded," then I realized, "no, they won't."

    40. Re:What happens? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I can verify that in the 1980s it was still considered acceptable to let children run around unsupervised away from home using the "be home before dark" system. And if somebody wondered if it was OK or not, they would ask, "Does the child have experience navigating city streets on their own?" If you could read street signs and knew the general layout of the city, it was considered OK.

    41. Re:What happens? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Okay.. you're an outlier; ... you're making it far worse than it actually is.

      You're right. He's a complete sourpuss. Hollywood has at least 20 different scripts, if you can comprehend the depth of their subtlety.

    42. Re:What happens? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I was hoping for a tsundere but all I got was this yandere.

    43. Re:What happens? by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Acceptable in the 90's as well, at least in large cities. We were taught the suburbs were filled with pedos in vans, though.

    44. Re:What happens? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      His first 100 shows or so were ok. They had life. Then he sold out. Watch some of the first 100 or so and note how afterwards he's just a bought fan boy with no opinion: everything's great, love's everything, wasn't that awesome? Geez, sounds like someone else that's being front and centered in the media these days.

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    45. Re:What happens? by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      There's YouTube content generators that could run circles around late night and even premium channel (I'm looking at you, John Oliver!) comedy shows. Some put out a new show 3-5x a week. Writers simply help fill out a 22 minute show, but good hosts should be able to pull it off on their own in the event of a strike.

    46. Re:What happens? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I Love Lucy was 1950s. You can tell because domestic violence was still "in." It was cut in 1957.

      Then Leave It To Beaver went from `57-63, a wholesome interstitial period before the sexual revolution. Domestic violence was still popular, but there was at least enough shame to keep it out of television.

      Eventually there was Star Trek, which was the 1960s in full miniskirted glory.

    47. Re: What happens? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      ID-0, space mining.

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    48. Re:What happens? by gnick · · Score: 1

      His first 100 shows or so were ok.... Then he sold out.

      Sold out? Are you suggesting that during the first 100 shows he didn't care about his sponsors? Making TV shows is a business - Shows are made to be sold.

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    49. Re: What happens? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      To Love-Ru has an OVA coming out.

      The most exiting thing in anime this year might be a new season of Food Wars! Runner up is the new season of "Is it Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?" (Danmachi) which is airing now.

    50. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hire new writers, and stop getting recycled retreads of movies that have been done three (or more) times before?

      Bust the writer's union? How un-progressive. Off to the reeducation camps with you.

    51. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Een Soviet Hollywoodistan the screept ees een you.

    52. Re: What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahah he said anime and good in the same sentence. dont breed, you're not helping.

    53. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last writers strike is what brought all the reality show crap to the boob tube.

      Including one called "The Apprentice" that introduced red-state America to a snake-oil salesman named Trump.

      It's possible that the consequences of the last Hollywood writers' strike will include the end of human civilization.

      Good job, union goons, you fucked us all.

    54. Re: What happens? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'll check that one out.

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    55. Re:What happens? by Rande · · Score: 1

      It was public toilets for me. Could never use one without my mother looking around suspiciously.
      Luckily we lived out in the countryside, so we were free to fall down wells or attempt drowning without supervision. Didn't even have Skippy the Bush Kangaroo on hand to get help.

    56. Re:What happens? by iridium_ionizer · · Score: 1

      I mean, how many Fast N Furious movies are we at? 8 ?
      How many Star Wars Movies?
      How many Superman/batman/thor/wolverine/xmen .

      None of those movies were made because writers couldn't come up with new ideas. They were made because that was what studios had put their faith (and financial resources in). Some of this low-risk, almost-guaranteed return of franchises is due to the business strategies of the movie studios, but a lot of that just reflects what audiences watch / buy discs / buy toys for.

      There are tons of unproduced scripts that are written not based on studio decisions, but because writers feel that something is a good idea and would make a great movie. Some of these eventually get noticed and made into indie, art-house, or mainstream films (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_List_(survey).

    57. Re:What happens? by Meski · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they wen't on strike ten years ago, and no-one noticed that they never went back...

  2. What am I doing at TMZ?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did I get to the TMZ website?! I thought I was on Slashdot! This is so weird. The site looks like Slashdot, but the stories are mindless crap about TV shows and pop culture.

    1. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by TWX · · Score: 2

      You'll note that Slashdot dropped the, "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters," moniker a long time ago.

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    2. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by IRGlover · · Score: 1

      Not quite. It is still showing up in the title on home page for me. It doesn't seem to be on any article pages though.

    3. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by TWX · · Score: 1

      I don't see it there. Of course I'm running an anti-javascript plugin so as Slashdot's bloat of crosslinked Javascript grows I don't see the pieces that get shuffled-off to other sites.

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    4. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Requiring Javascript to display that tag line is pretty much the same as not having it at all.

    5. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And Apple dropped "computers" from their name. I just didn't think they'd actually stop caring about them altogether - and so soon.

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    6. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      How did I get to the TMZ website?! I thought I was on Slashdot! This is so weird. The site looks like Slashdot, but the stories are mindless crap about TV shows and pop culture.

      There are few things that nerds care more about than TV shows and pop culture.

    7. Re:What am I doing at TMZ?! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, no, TMZ is "Writer Strike According to TV Actors."

      This is the "Writer Strike According to No-TV-Guy."

  3. Nothing, nothing happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, you must be talking about people who still watch TV.

    1. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I stopped watching TV 20+ years ago. Don't miss it. If I'm interested in a TV series, I got iTunes, Netflix or Hulu.

    2. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I stopped watching TV 20+ years ago. Don't miss it. If I'm interested in a TV series, I got iTunes, Netflix or Hulu.

      Wait, you stopped watching TV 20 years ago, and replaced it with watching TV?

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    3. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Wait, you stopped watching TV 20 years ago, and replaced it with watching TV?

      Yes and yes. But instead of the TV dictating my schedule, I watch TV on my own schedule.

    4. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by ranton · · Score: 2

      Wait, you stopped watching TV 20 years ago, and replaced it with watching TV?

      Yes and yes. But instead of the TV dictating my schedule, I watch TV on my own schedule.

      No one ever told you about VCRs 20 years ago?

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    5. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      No one ever told you about VCRs 20 years ago?

      I stayed away from VCRs. Otherwise, everyone would want me to fix their blinking 12:00 problem.

    6. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, you stopped watching TV 20 years ago, and replaced it with watching TV?

      There's a big difference between watching TV shows and watching TV.

      Like OP, I too cut the cable about 20 years ago. I got sick of the drivel on TV. I got sick of being inundated with commercials, continually interrupting the story. I got sick of ever-changing broadcast times. I was annoyed by the low quality of the video and the fact that shows were only aired in cropped 4:3 when full widescreen versions existed.

      I cut the cord. I bought DVDs so I could watch what I was interested in without being deluged with a pile of mind-numbing crud. I got the full picture instead of cropped versions. I got good video quality. I got zero story interruptions. I got zero commercials. I was able to watch as many episodes in succession as I wanted.

      The odd time I turn on OTA TV today, I turn it off within a couple of minutes of finding myself in a seemingly endless sequence of commercials. There is no way I'm going back to that sh!t.

    7. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wait until they find out that the same show on Netflix has the same writers and the same strike as it does on cable!

      There are huge advantages to not watching TV, but most of them require also not watching TV.

      If they're only trimming the advertising, they're at least slightly reducing the garbage inputs.

    8. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It isn't that hard, it should take less than a minute.

    9. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Most TVs let you edit the channel selection. Most people have access to at least 3 channels of broadcast PBS these days!

    10. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It isn't that hard, it should take less than a minute.

      True. But if you fix it for one person, everyone else you know wants you to fix it them as well. I've gone through that fixing PCs in the 1990's. When I announced that my going rate was $300 per hour, no one wanted to pay me and stopped bugging me about their PCs.

    11. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Rande · · Score: 1

      Must not have tried it on the early ones when UI hadn't been invented yet and the manual was translated from japanese to english via chinese.
      The way to set the clock was something like :
      Press and hold the channel up and down button simultaneously for 5 seconds, then press the channel down 5 times, then press and hold the CH up and down buttons again for 2 seconds, then use the buttons to select the day, CH up and down again for 2 seconds (hoping that you were close enough not to change the day), then adjust the hour, repeat for minute, then repeat for seconds, and then a final double press for 5 seconds to set it.

      And then, after you've achieved this, powercuts were commonplace in those days and people just gave up after a few times, hence the flashing 12:00 in many homes.

    12. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Genius! My mom might be disappointed, but I guess I could let her have a discount.

    13. Re:Nothing, nothing happens by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, and for people with two braincells it took 5 minutes.

      They're all about the same; you hold a button down until something flashes, and then there are one or two buttons changing the thing that is flashing. The only reason it takes a minute instead of 15 seconds is that you have to figure out which three buttons are used. And that isn't hard.

      It amazes me that some people can make it out of bed in the morning without hurting themselves.

  4. Answer: by avandesande · · Score: 3, Funny

    The march to 'Total Idiocracy' will delayed a few months.

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    1. Re:Answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other way around, writer's strike increase the amount of "reality" tv. Ow My Balls! will start filming next week.

    2. Re:Answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it will be like a long term power outage, everyone just goes to bed early and we get another baby boom.

    3. Re:Answer: by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Verbs partially cancelled.

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  5. Nerds and losers will have to go outdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and get a life.

    STRIKE!

    y'ALL Watch too much TV as it is.

  6. Umm, who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is this doing on /.?

  7. fuck hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and fuck all the work-shy californian communists that work there.

    1. Re:fuck hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how those "work-shy communists" are the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world.

    2. Re:fuck hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny? How funny? You think they are there to amuse y... oh right. nm

    3. Re:fuck hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      move out of your parent's basement neckbeard

  8. Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Trump provides all the entertainment we need. Who needs Hollywood when reality is so much fun to watch!

    Trump 2020! Make America great again and save us from those bad hombres, Mr President!

    1. Re:Trump! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I just hope he doesn't rage-quit before the mid-terms, this Congress is scary! They would get way too much done without him.

  9. Oh I don't know. Read books, or go outside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get off the couch and do something with your life. That's what will happen for most people.
    I mean lets look at the big picture here, which is why should anyone really give two shits about what anyone in Wollyhood does or doesn't do?

    I guess the worst thing that'll happen is fake TV, meaning even more quote "reality" TV shows will popup. Ugg!, I can hardly wait.

  10. Summer reruns by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    That's what we used to do not that long ago.

    Anyway who cares.

    1. Re:Summer reruns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figure I'll pan around and find stuff I've overlooked. There's probably two years plus worth of stuff I wouldn't mind watching.

      That illustrates the problem for these 'writers'; they are producing so much supply that — assuming you aren't watching TV twelve hours a day — you never see a rerun unless you want to watch something again. Supply and demand; prices (wages for writers, in this case) fall when supply is abundant.

  11. Backlogged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a huge backlog of TV shows and movies to watch, so running out of things to watch won't be a concern for quite some time. I just hope a strike won't ruin any of the few shows that I really like.

    1. Re:Backlogged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd actually welcome a break in new shows so I can catch up on some of my backlog. I started re-watching The X-Files from the start about a year ago, and I'm still only on season 2, to name just one. And there are loads of shows that looked interesting that I never even got around to checking out. Give me a year, and I might start to make a dent.

  12. Stockpiling what?? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Regarding the content and humour of the programs. The quality of the shows, reveals how you skimped and pushed the writers on fake deadlines. Why don't you motion monsters reach into your pockets and give the writers some money??

  13. it says something about the state of society today by ole_timer · · Score: 1

    that there a union and going on strike is even an issue - people pay for cable with channels that move money to these other people. sad really.

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  14. Last time: Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    So if we've learned anything from history the writers should keep striking.

    Cause' that is the best show in history and Netflix should revamp it ASAP.

  15. "Porn for nerds. Stuff that splatters." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does any one alive remember from where that comes?

  16. 2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election. by netsavior · · Score: 1

    During the last writer's strike, NBC un-cancelled "The Apprentice" (which had low ratings) and aired "Celebrity Apprentice" during "Must see tv" Thursday.

    Trump would not be president today if NBC had decided to pay their writers instead of airing cult-of-personality bullshit.

    1. Re:2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Trump would not be president today if...

      If the Democrats had run a better candidate who knew to run a campaign to win the most state electoral votes instead of just the popular vote.

  17. Strike hurt "Heroes" by perotbot · · Score: 3, Informative

    This doesn't work for all shows, the disaster that was the shortened season 2 of Heroes that they never managed to write their way out of in the following seasons. The writers lost their momentum and the show suffered for it.

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    1. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It had other systemic problems. Writing after season 1 was bad, but producers never could figure out what the show was about. Too many reboots.

    2. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      I think Heroes was doomed from the start... and if not the start, by the conclusion of the season one finale. It was all tease, and when they finally blew their wad at the end, it was a half load.

    3. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Maser · · Score: 1

      Same thing with "Pushing Daisies". It never recovered from the strike and I fully blame the writers for that one. :-(

    4. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That shortened season was a blessing, it probably would have gotten really stupid (well, more than it had already gotten) if they let it run longer. Thanks to the strike, they resolved everything quickly and fairly painlessly. Unfortunately, they came back for a third season without learning their lesson and went back to being long, convoluted, and totally brain-dead stupid. The writers never had a clue, forget about "momentum."

    5. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too many moving parts without much of a payoff. And then every new plot undermined everything that came before until the whole thing was pointless. Save the cheerleader, save the world, but not really, and the cheerleader doesn't really get saved or even need saving, and the world is still kind of screwed no matter what. Eat at Arby's.

    6. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, it just drizzled out, no mid-air arch. Just a sad little blob, oozing out.

    7. Re:Strike hurt "Heroes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never managed to season 2. The show started being stupid in the middle of season 1. I finished that one season and never looked back.

      (it's been so many years I cannot elaborate on what I found 'stupid' I'm afraid...)

  18. Writers Should Take Care. by Dishevel · · Score: 0

    I have seen the writing coming out of Hollywood for the last couple of decades and my suggestion to these entitled little shits. Keep working. If you stop, the only thing that will happen is that people will realize that they have no real talent and that there are many replacements that can do their job AT LEAST as well.

    Don't strike if you are not needed.

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    1. Re:Writers Should Take Care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah. You think they will be replaced with people who can actually write?
      People who can write interesting stuff are kicked out the door because they want actual creative control over what they write.
      No amount of hiring people can fix that.
      They need a fundamental change in thinking.
      I say strike away. If they can afford to pay actors and actresses millions per episode, they can spare a couple of thousand for the writing staff.

    2. Re:Writers Should Take Care. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      No. I think that, at least looking at what is coming out of Hollywood that the current writers are shit. They can be easily replaced with other shit writers.

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    3. Re:Writers Should Take Care. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Hah. You think they will be replaced with people who can actually write?

      I don't, but I do think they will be replaced by corporate middlemen (corporations can't join unions) and the credit will go to the writers brand instead of to the writer, and since the writers all suck pretty bad none of them will be able to make any demands. And these companies (that are the new writers) will hire the humans as contractors under NDA, and they not only won't be able to strike, they won't even be allowed to complain in public.

      If we're lucky, a minority of writers will create a new guild or union that only lets in good writers, and they'll create a premium collective brand but still give writing credit to individual writers. Those shows will only be on premium delivery channels.

  19. Re:Last time: Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicl by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Agreed, Netflix should consider picking up that show.

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  20. Hollywood should win this time (& I hope they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The writers are in trouble. I already don't have time to watch all the TV that I have. I could easily last several months, watching new-to-me things that I'm actually somewhat interested in.

    And while I'm rarely on Hollywood's side on anything, in this case I would advise them to get serious, and I'd cheer for their victory. Don't renew the contract (I'm not saying get brutal with the terms; I'm saying don't have terms), and never again sign any contract with any guild or union. Just hire writers. There are plenty of people out there who are willing to do jobs. Destroy the Writers Guild permanently and forever, and then piss on the grave.

    I've never heard of any guild that wasn't thoroughly dedicated to the cause of unmitigated evil, from their very surface to their innermost core. Kill them. Kill them all.

  21. TV show writers on strike. So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    That's like government administrators on strike. Question for 100: How do you notice it?

    Quite frankly, a monkey could write the garbage we get fed these days. "Scripted reality", yeah, right, what kind of drugs do you have to be on to consider this to be in any way even remotely close to "reality"? In between we got court TV and other garbage that needs zero writer or talent by the actors, sorry, "genuine people presenting real cases".

    Hey, how about a new format? Akin to American Idol, how about American Writer? All the various fanfic writers get to send in their scripts and we get to cringe at their Mary Sue stories for a change instead of the talentless bawling of teenagers who were told by mommy and daddy that they can really sing.

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    1. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That's like government administrators on strike. Question for 100: How do you notice it?

      Show up at a national park and see if they barricaded the entrance.

    2. Re: TV show writers on strike. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has been doing his best to court a shutdown, even when he has the majority in Congress, which might as well be such a strike.

      So you may get your chance to notice.

    3. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Quite frankly, a monkey could write the garbage we get fed these days. "Scripted reality", yeah, right, what kind of drugs do you have to be on to consider this to be in any way even remotely close to "reality"? In between we got court TV and other garbage that needs zero writer or talent by the actors, sorry, "genuine people presenting real cases".

      Even the most lame reality TV show is scripted. In fact, that's one of the things the Screenwriters Guild is fighting about. Currently, if you write a script for a reality show, you are treated differently than if you write for a drama or comedy.

      You didn't think Honey Boo Boo was spontaneous, did you?

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    4. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently, if you write a script for a reality show, you are treated differently than if you write for a drama or comedy.

      They should be treated differently. They should be ostracized from society, preferably with extreme prejudice.

    5. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, all that scripting is what makes reality TV so unauthentic and boring. That's why I stick to entertainment where nobody knows what's going to happen. It all comes down to one wrestler's strength and skill vs another.

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    6. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should watch some shows from other countries if you are looking for quality. And I'm not suggesting Canada. The UK has some great drama. Australia has some good shows too. The do satire very well and the show Utopia (be careful as there are three shows called that in the world in the past few years) was great. New Zealand has put out a couple of hits but with their small population there's not a lot of money to fund shows. Check out The Almighty Johnsons and This is Not My Life. The later show was going to have a second season but the rights were bought by Hollywood and nothing was done with them yet.

    7. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      This exactly. How about while the writers are out, we get some new blood out of the art schools and colleges, and let them design and write some original stuff for once. For example, the typical American gritty movie plot just needs to be tossed out the door, and other stuff done. For example, Patient Zero in the typical zombie movie dies early, and the movie winds up being a fish out of water romance between an investigator and a biotech person. New stuff that isn't the same crap we have been seeing. With FX so relatively inexpensive, the big Michael Bay explosions can take backstage to actual characterization and plot.

      Maybe some uplifting stuff for once. I'm damn tired of dystopic settings.

    8. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like government administrators on strike. Question for 100: How do you notice it?

      The military stops getting paid. My brother-in-law was in the military when the government was shut down when Clinton was president and when the government was shut down they were not getting paid or having the money to do training. I work with military spouses and when Obama was president and the government had an 11th hour rescue from being shut down but it did effect the pay of some of some soldiers. They got paid but it was behind schedule.

      Not really important to the main topic of this post but I thought I would add it.

    9. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, all that scripting is what makes reality TV so unauthentic and boring. That's why I stick to entertainment where nobody knows what's going to happen. It all comes down to one wrestler's strength and skill vs another.

      I like the way you think.

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    10. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      That would be easier if they were given proper blame in the credits.

      Right now they're treated differently than other writers, but still treated like normal humans.

    11. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The UK formula works pretty well; even if you paid the actors millions of pounds, they're only allowed 20 pence per day for production expenses. If it wasn't in the prop room when you wrote the script, you're going to be at work all weekend with the cardboard and crayons.

      They end up having no choice but to provide content within the words spoken and physical actions of the actors.

      If it is a really popular show like Mr Bean with only 1 regular actor, then they afford to film 5 minutes of each episode outdoors.

    12. Re:TV show writers on strike. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, all that scripting is what makes reality TV so unauthentic and boring. That's why I stick to entertainment where nobody knows what's going to happen. It all comes down to one wrestler's strength and skill vs another.

      With folding chair to the opponent's head, Sloppy wins The Internet!

      I don't know if I believe what I just saw, ladies and gentlemen.

  22. Expect slow change, and more of the same... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More horribly contrived 'reality' TV shows.

    More people just dropping cable.

    More slow shifting in funds eventually turning online streaming into the primary source of entertainment.

    That said, Hollywood isn't losing it's glamour anytime soon - just like lottery tickets are still somehow a thing (and are much bigger than Hollywood) - folks are still going to want dumb entertainment dressed up real pretty.

    It's all basically a reflection of the US draining into a 'normal' nation, slowly less of a superpower as it goes from Roosevelt-style nation-building in shared self-interest, to ever-more privatized Reagan-style promotion of corporate interests.

    The air is sinking out of the national balloon - we're all statistically more peaceful and happy, but a dwindling percentage are putting much interest in maintaining any system of enforced social mobility, and instead just let the rich get richer and pull those funds out of the nation for private interests.

    I mean, we've elected Donald Trump as president, somehow on the basis of populism, thinking the living symbol of arrogance and greed will help anyone else. In 20, 50, 100 years from now, we'll still be amazed at how stupid that was.

    So yeah, more reality TV, more slow disillusionment, and more bleeding of the system as we seek ways to distract ourselves from it all.

  23. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe we just go outside and enjoy life and say fuck you to Hollywood?

    Or just watch YouTube videos and play video games. Do said writers even produce anything of value anyway?

  24. Markov Chains and AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who will know the difference?

  25. Like and unlike before by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    1) Like before, people who would never have gotten a shot at writing will now get it.
    2) Unlike before, there is such a huge quantity of material available for viewing, most people could spend their entire lives watching things they've never seen before running out. The only hit will be current pop culture, and trust me: Most people would be happier without it.

    1. Re:Like and unlike before by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah that was my thought when I read about this a few weeks back... there are all kinds of shows I've heard are great that are sitting neglected in my Netflix and Amazon queues until I get around to them.

    2. Re:Like and unlike before by sjames · · Score: 1

      H1-Bs to the rescue! It's Bollywood Summer!

    3. Re:Like and unlike before by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      2) Unlike before, there is such a huge quantity of material available for viewing, most people could spend their entire lives watching things they've never seen before running out. The only hit will be current pop culture, and trust me: Most people would be happier without it.

      That's my situation. I have a bleepload of stuff on Netflix that I haven't gotten to yet, and another pile on Hulu. And that's just the stuff that's on my list.

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    4. Re:Like and unlike before by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      That's one thing India can't provide us, Bollywood isn't allowed to use crass sexualization or show a lot of skin. Why does Bollywood have a musical dance number every other scene? Because if they're dancing, they're allowed to lift their dress up to 17mm above the ankle! If they're not singing and dancing, no side-ankle for you!

      Same reason China can't do it.

      We're going to need H1-Bs from Poland and Bulgaria. All you have to do to convert popular Polish or Bulgarian scripts for the US market is indicate that the actors should put on some underwear or swimwear.

    5. Re:Like and unlike before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped watching Bollywood, because they became to Hollywood. Horrible story lines and half naked peoples. I prefer the older, more modest, Bollywood flicks. Were the most skin you saw, was some ladie's belly during a filmi. Nollywood is following suit now as well. *sigh*

  26. What *could* happen? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yep. Hey, you know what's great? Talking to people. Sex. Building models. Organizing one's rock/stamp/severedhead collections. Writing code. Playing with the cat/dog/cockatrice. Martial arts. Photography. Reading. Taking courses. Exercising. Working out a sane budget. Listening to music. Playing music. Sewing. Legos. Fooling with hardware. Home improvements. Giving the domicile a good once-over at the ultra-picky level, just for the fun of it. Putting the yard in tip-top order. Walking the canine or the cat. Visiting Rome, Paris or Venice (while pretending to be Canadian, of course.) Or just going to see a friend. You know, in person, not with that phone-tumor. Taking a walk, preferably somewhere you haven't been or really love. Etc. Lots and lots of etc.

    Television... I just can't bring myself to call that "great." The couch, it really does make for potato generation.

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    1. Re: What *could* happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is wrong with the couch? You can sit on the ground if you want but that's bad for your kidneys.

    2. Re:What *could* happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep. Hey, you know what's great? Talking to people. Sex.

      This article is about what happens if the writers strike, not what happens if I get a complete personality transplant.

    3. Re:What *could* happen? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Lego.

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    4. Re:What *could* happen? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yep. Hey, you know what's great? Talking to people. Sex.

      This article is about what happens if the writers strike, not what happens if I get a complete personality transplant.

      Spoken like a true Slashdotter!

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    5. Re:What *could* happen? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yep. Hey, you know what's great? There are TV shows for all that you mentioned. I went over it twice, because the thought that everything that you mentioned was a TV show was mildly amusing, but figured, "nah, can't be everything". Yep.

      I think you just created Rule 34 for TV.

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    6. Re:What *could* happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I've been here since ~98, but I'm sick of karma whoring so I mostly just post as AC nowadays. So yeah.

    7. Re:What *could* happen? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Talking to people. Sex. Building models. Organizing one's rock/stamp/severedhead collections. Writing code. Playing with the cat/dog/cockatrice. Martial arts. Photography. Reading. Taking courses. Exercising. Working out a sane budget. Listening to music. Playing music. Sewing. Legos. Fooling with hardware. Home improvements. Giving the domicile a good once-over at the ultra-picky level, just for the fun of it. Putting the yard in tip-top order. Walking the canine or the cat. Visiting Rome, Paris or Venice (while pretending to be Canadian, of course.)

      Good news, there is still PBS.

    8. Re:What *could* happen? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      There are TV shows for all that you mentioned.

      Yeah, sex on TV is okay. If you don't fall off.

      But the advent of flat-screens has pretty much turned it into a standing-room-only enterprise. Erected a barrier to the laydown, as it were. It's hard on some of us. So to speak.

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    9. Re:What *could* happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, let's bicker about whether the plural of Lego is Legos. I say it is.

    10. Re:What *could* happen? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the big consoles were always the best. Just clear the working TV off of the top of it, and there you go.

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    11. Re:What *could* happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they are using Lego ® like a verb, i.e. google something vs. Google ®.

  27. Average IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Question: What Happens To Summer TV Binges If Hollywood Writers Strike
    Answer: The collective average IQ of the nation goes up by 1 point.

  28. Breaking news by Bill+Hayden · · Score: 2

    This story just in from our First World Problems desk...

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    1. Re:Breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids in Africa could have eaten those scripts.

    2. Re:Breaking news by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      First world problems are important. How can we give a crap about the third world if we have our own problems.

    3. Re:Breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate that expression. It's just a way to one up literally anything.

      "Just got hit by a bus? Well boo hoo. At least your country has buses!"

      Give it a rest!

    4. Re:Breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah really fuck the third world. A few centuries back we had a comparable level of technology and education. Some rose, others did not. A person that works hard on one side of the planet owes someone that does not on the other side of the planet nothing.

    5. Re:Breaking news by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      What are those silly first worlders going to try to do next, protect people from internet pixels? Oh, wait...

    6. Re:Breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I blame the cartoon adaptation of Aesop's the ant and the grasshopper.
      The grasshopper plays his fiddle, sings, dances and generally parties it up.
      Singing "the world owes me a living" over and over.
      I fear that many youngsters took that as advice and not a warning.*
      TL;DR syndrome with destructive results.

      *I'm not going to spoil the story, go read it for yourself.

  29. Ensuring Their Own Demise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In these situations, show makers typically rush to complete a pile of scripts before the deadline. Jerry Nickelsburg, an economist at the University of California at Los Angeles, calls this stockpiling "the inventory effect."

    But.. why? "Rushing to complete" implies that the writers are working longer and/or harder than they normally would, just to give the producers more scripts than they would have otherwise had before the strike begins. But more scripts means the producers can try to ride out the strike longer, making it more likely that the writers will blink first. Am I missing something here?

    1. Re:Ensuring Their Own Demise? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      "I wanted the money." -- some Hollywood writer, through the mouth of Sean Connery

      They probably get paid for the work. Doing the work might be against the guild's interests, but be for that writer's interests. I don't think it makes sense to assume that guilds and members necessarily have the same strategic goals. Isn't part of the whole point of these contracts, to put writers out of work unless they join the guild?

      I know people who are members of unions. It's just another expense, required as a condition for the job. It's not on your side; if it were, then you wouldn't be required to join. Presumably the writers have a similar relationship with the guild, so the money you make rushing to complete scripts more than outweighs whatever nebulous benefit the guild will get in its negotiations -- and then take a percentage of.

      Writers and Writers Guild are two totally different things, perhaps even somewhat adversarial. (Though presumably not so adversarial that the writers would be willing to ally with the producers to defeat this third party. If it were that adversarial, then the alliance would have already happened. So I guess the situation is a bit complicated.)

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    2. Re:Ensuring Their Own Demise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >It's just another expense, required as a condition for the job.

      Don't most half-decent unions put away some of those dues into a fund so that you have money to draw on while striking? Usually not your full salary, but still something.

    3. Re:Ensuring Their Own Demise? by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Other news claims that writers are mad because their incomes went down, because TV "seasons" are shorter now.

      If seasons are shorter, AND that has lead to decreased annual pay, THEN we know that more writers are getting paid! Because there aren't less total episodes being filmed, there are just more different shows, each with less episodes.

      You're not missing anything, they're talking out at least three sides of their mouths.

    4. Re:Ensuring Their Own Demise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and should research the subject before deciding to spew shit out of your mouth. Let's consider what Mark Evanier has to say, given that he's been writing for television for like 40 years:

      http://www.newsfromme.com/2017/04/15/striking-a-pose/

      "I am sure they will get that authorization but the magnitude will be critical. If it's by 51% or even 70%, the Producers will figure that the Guild is weak and divided and that a lousy offer will be accepted. They'll assume that even if we do go on strike, it won't last long. If the vote is 90% or overwell, that might make them think a bad offer won't be cost-effective."

      The vote was 96% of the 67% that voted. I'm pretty sure that means that the writers and the WGA have their interests well aligned.

    5. Re:Ensuring Their Own Demise? by iridium_ionizer · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that usually writers are committing to a show for a whole season at a time. The writers are expected to show up to an office and write and have writer's meetings and table readings and rewrites. The writing is very collaborative especially if the show has a season arc and continuity.

      So if the writer used to get $10,000 per episode + 0.01% residuals for helping write a 22 episode season which they spent 7 months working on 9-5 plus occasional overtime. And now they get $10,000 per episode + 0.01% residuals for helping write a 13 episode season which they spent 7 months working on 9-5 plus occasional overtime. Obviously they are getting paid less for the same amount of work. And most people think that the quality of most scripted TV shows has gone up in the past 20 years.

      So what the writers are asking for is more money per episode. They would also like more flexibility in the work schedules. I have heard that they often have non-compete clauses in their contracts, so they cannot write for another show while they are are currently working on a season. http://www.npr.org/2017/04/19/524751648/netflix-and-cord-cutting-era-complicates-writers-guild-contract-talks

    6. Re:Ensuring Their Own Demise? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, it is not the same amount of work. 22 does not equal 13. They can't have more money per episode because there are the same total number of episodes being created, there are just more shows with shorter seasons. It is the same amount of pay for the same amount of work.

      It is the same amount of pay for the same amount of work.

      There is nothing that is going to happen to cause 22 to equal 13 in just one part of the equation.

  30. There's 100 years of TV/Movies to watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's already more stuff to watch than I have time to watch. They could stop making new tv shows and movies and I'd still never get through the existing backlog of quality stuff to watch that already exists.

  31. I'll watch youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reality of the situation:
    More content that is relevant to me is being produced every minute than I can possibly watch.

    There's also the bonus that it's more likely to be interesting, because the people producing it have to get creative without millions to throw at special effects and explosions.
    And, you know, because they probably enjoy what they're making rather than doing it to say they work in Hollywood.

  32. Cancer rate increases. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cancer rates spike as indoor people venture outdoors.

  33. The Widow by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Look, I don't care what the Screenwriters Guild and the studios do, as long as nobody fucks with my Into the Badlands. It's like somebody put all my shitty tastes and adolescent fantasies into a blender and made a TV series out of it. I love that fucking show.

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    1. Re:The Widow by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      It's like somebody put all my shitty tastes and adolescent fantasies into a blender and made a TV series out of it.

      Holy shit... I finally know how to describe this to others! Thanks. I'm still trying to figure out how I didn't know about it until just recently.

    2. Re:The Widow by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out how I didn't know about it until just recently.

      Oh, I'll tell you why. Because season one only recently came to Netflix. It's the same as with Preacher, and Hap & Leonard and other cool shows. The target demographic (idiots like me) don't watch cable TV, but when it comes to Netflix, we're all over it.

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  34. Opposite Thought by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    People who can write interesting stuff are kicked out the door because they want actual creative control over what they write.
    No amount of hiring people can fix that.

    How is the answer not to hire the creative interesting people that were kicked out? Since they already hate the existing system it seems like they would no go with a strike - and all of the production that matters now (Netflix, Amazon) is giving creators creative control anyway.

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  35. Given more people stream now than ever... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    I predict a decline in American television will result in an uptick in streaming and piracy of foreign content... and there are a few Canadian shows that do well in the American market that might get a boost in the traditional distribution arena.

    There are plenty of English-language productions out there. The UK, Canada, and Australia could take the opportunity to grab a bigger piece of the market from the USA.

    1. Re:Given more people stream now than ever... by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'm finally going to bring this up. And I suppose I'm about to make some friends or enemies, but I don't know which.

      Is it just me, or does Canadian TV suck? (I'm not talking about Australia or Britian. Just singling out Canada.)

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    2. Re:Given more people stream now than ever... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Isn't there a requirement in Canada that they air a certain percentage of Canadian content? That would promote the creation of bulk crap at the cheapest investment possible.

    3. Re:Given more people stream now than ever... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Is it just me, or does Canadian TV suck?

      Yes and no. It actually gets a bit complicated.

      First, a lot of our premium talent moves to California where the money is. The USA is, after all, right there, speaks the same language, has a compatible culture, and is 10x our size.

      But we still manage to keep a lot of talent here - where the budgets are a bit smaller. And despite THAT, we still are known for our kids' programming and occasionally a comedy or drama that rises to the top and goes international.

      And you have to remember we are a BIT different, and cultural differences will affect how you interpret what you're watching. There's stuff Canadians can't wait to have return between new episodes that most Americans would probably turn off at any time.

      And finally, you have American shows produced in Canada for the financial advantage. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're crap... but they're not OURS regardless.

      So... maybe the best answer to your question is, 'Mostly but not necessarily'.

    4. Re:Given more people stream now than ever... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Actually it's probably around the same percentage of good stuff that gets created. I image that there is a lot of crap that gets made in the US that doesn't leave there, especially regional shows. Traditionally we've been known for making bad TV shows but that's changing. The two shows that are currently well known from here are Orphan Black and Murdoch Mysteries. All of the work that we do for the American studios is creating the expertise to improve our shows.

    5. Re:Given more people stream now than ever... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >The two shows that are currently well known from here are Orphan Black and Murdoch Mysteries.

      I didn't know Orphan Black was Canadian. Murdoch was awesome for 9 seasons, but now I'm looking forward to the 'spinoff' set a couple of decades later.

      I was thinking more along the lines of Schitt's Creek or maybe Letterkenny (but I don't know how well that's done internationally if at all). Or in the past, Due South and on the lower end of the scale Forever Knight and Night Heat.

      > All of the work that we do for the American studios is creating the expertise to improve our shows.

      I don't think we were ever that far behind except for the top talent going south and the lower budgets. With the costs going down as electronics and software improve, budgets have to be mattering less on those fronts... hell, amateurs can put out something decent if they have talent.

      >Actually it's probably around the same percentage of good stuff that gets created.

      I would doubt that on an apples-to-apples comparison. Their entertainment industry is disproportionately larger and drawing on a much larger talent pool. Bell curves being bell curves, I'd expect their top end - however you define the cut-off - would have to be better than ours.

    6. Re:Given more people stream now than ever... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I don't think we were ever that far behind except for the top talent going south and the lower budgets.

      I was thinking more about the support people and industries. Even the processes for interfacing with government to deal with permits (blocking streets for example) improved when people start doing it as part of their full time job and government wants to encourage the work. Having Hollywood make their shows here has trained people in many areas such as set building, props, lighting, catering, visual effects, etc. Our industry is way ahead of what it would have been if it had to grow on its own. Now if it can take the money from the successes and fund new shows.

      I haven't heard about a spinoff of Murdoch but then I haven't watched much TV this year. I haven't been in the mood for it and have been listening to podcasts and music instead.

      I haven't heard about Letterkenny. In the past there was The Kids in the Hall which was great until they went to the US and they were restricted in their material. Flashpoint was a police drama that did fairly well too (for a Canadian show).

  36. When I was a kid... by toonces33 · · Score: 1

    We had this thing called a frisbee. It is kind of limited for today's crowd however - no WiFi, no Bluetooth, you can't use it to take selfies. But we had lots of fun with it, and if you have a dog it is even better.

  37. Re: 2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You act as if the margins on the critical states weren't so close that a mere rainstorm could have changed the outcome.

    Or some subterfuge by the Republicans in the state governments.

    The fact is, Trump slinked into office, but he was guaranteed to have enough support that he could conceivably win regardless. If you want o blame Hillary, blame for no picking a VP candidate to really fire folks up.

  38. Doctor Horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully a new Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, or something like it

  39. Re: 2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No Hillary was as unlikable as Trump was stupid. She was the third term Bill Clinton and the electorate didn't want another fucking Bush dynasty or Clinton dynasty. Not to mention she is a horrible cunt and a worthless human being. Being more evil than Trump is a goddamned accomplishment to boot.

    So fuck off with the "slinked' bullshit, in 1992 Hillary's penis slinked into office in a 3-way race with only 42% of the popular vote. So spare me the "she could've won if she picked a better VP." She couldn't have won if everyone who didn't vote for her died the day before the election.

  40. Netflix outsources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only the US market will suffer. The rest of the world will barely notice. And Hollywood will lose more ground to other interests.
    Netflix already has a pretty good mix of international fair. If Hollywood writers strike they just become more irrelevant. Netflix will up non-Hollywood production.

    This is about money in Hollywood. If the Hollywood producers want to keep making money they had better settle with the writers.

    1. Re:Netflix outsources by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Fare.

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  41. I'll be blissfully unaware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be blissfully unaware as I haven't watched TV in years. If other people are upset, I don't give a shit... unless they start rioting in the streets where I live. Thankfully there aren't any of "those types of people", so I doubt it would come to that here.

    Fuck Hollywood. Fuck the viewers.

    If I believed a flood was actually coming to coastal cities like LA, I'd buy and burn a barrel of oil every day just to speed up the process.

  42. Watch all the stuff on my watch list? by Baleet · · Score: 1

    There are many television programs and movies in my watchlists and queues and on my shelves that I just haven't gotten around to watching yet. I think I have enough to tide me over for a while.

  43. Re: 2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    No Hillary was as unlikable as Trump was stupid. She was the third term Bill Clinton and the electorate didn't want another fucking Bush dynasty or Clinton dynasty. Not to mention she is a horrible cunt and a worthless human being. Being more evil than Trump is a goddamned accomplishment to boot.

    However horrible Hillary was, she was nearly President. Let's not pretend that Trump had some sort of amazing landslide blowout.

  44. More Healthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It means that kids will get away from the television and play outside. Childhood obesity drops.

  45. Watch the best series of past decades? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    There are millions of hours of television available for you to watch. If you can't watch your favorite epic series, then taking a little break to watch some classics can be a lot of fun.

    Classic series (not an exhaustive list and in no particular order):
    Get Smart (1965-1970)
    Hill Street Blues (1981-1987)
    M*A*S*H (1972-1983)
    Roots [miniseries] (1977)
    Danger UXB (1979)
    Dallas (1978-1991)
    Cheers (1982-1993)
    The Muppet Show (1976-1981)
    Seinfeld (1989-1998)
    Taxi (1978-1982)
    Twin Peaks (1990-1991)
    X-Files (1993-2002)
    The Twilight Zone (1959-1964)
    All in the Family (1971-1979)

    Or maybe some guilty pleasures:
    Bonanza (1959-1973)
    McHale's Navy (1962–1966)
    Gunsmoke (1955-1975)
    Rawhide (1959-1965)
    F Troop (1965-1967)
    Hogan's Heroes (1965-1971)
    The Rockford Files (1974-1980)
    Quantum Leap (1989-1993)
    WKRP in Cincinnati (1978-1982)
    The Addams Family (1964-1966)
    Petticoat Junction (1963-1970)
    The A-Team (1983-1987)
    Dragnet [1951 series] (1951-1959)
    Dragnet [1967 series] (1967-1970)
    Millennium (1996-1999)
    Mission: Impossible [1966 series] (1966-1973)
    Mission: Impossible [1988 series] (1988-1990)

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  46. Lots of ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... good BBC programming available.

    Particularly now that Deepak Chopra and his ilk have pushed it off the PBS stations with their infomercials scamming geezers.

  47. good year to do it by superwiz · · Score: 1

    The last big Hollywood strike happened in 2008 and it brought us a very, very robust presidential primary season. Everyone watch Democratic and Republican primary debates instead of scripted TV. This Summer there is no upcoming election to speak of (not even a midterm one). So there is no alternative sources of entertainment on TV. Might be a boon for video games though. Yes, I know people can turn off and go outside, but they can do it even if there is no strike. Only a very small percentage will make lifestyle changes in response to withdrawal of a certain stimulus. They are more likely to seek an alternative stimuli which are as close to the original as possible. And the network executives are perfectly aware of that. So they will most likely cave in to the writers demands.

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  48. The Quality Improves by fsckinhippies · · Score: 1

    Maybe I am just out of the TV thing.

  49. One word.... by bobdehnhardt · · Score: 1

    Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-long Blog.

    Okay, that's at least 4 words, depending on how you feel about hyphens. But that little bit of awesome came out of Joss Whedon's strike-addled brain in 2008. If history repeats itself, I won't be crying...

  50. Show more reruns... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    There are so many reruns on now what's a few more? I'd bet most people won't even know there's a strike.

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  51. What happens? Nothing by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Nothing happens, you just go outside, you lazy n00b

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  52. Other nations sneak in their writers by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    The UK, Irish, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian governments start to set up tax payer funded front companies in the USA to push their own entreatment related products and services deep in the USA.
    US audiences are presented with foreign 1960-90's plots. Acted by Canadians with perfect US accents in low tax and production friendly Canada.
    Every new US series is set in a "Seattle", "Maine" or "North Dakota" Canada with scripts that have some positive comments about Canada and its policies.
    Random charming characters from Australia, Canada, New Zealand or Ireland might feature in later seasons.
    Plots often feature visits to or from the nations funding the series.
    Maple syrup and timber products get product placements.
    A large kangaroo or a random trip to Australia is effortlessly worked into the plot.

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  53. What happens? This is what will happen. by McFortner · · Score: 1

    If the strike goes on you can say hello to more reality shows. Since they will have little time to prepare, it will be crappy shows along the line of Jersey Shore.

    Prepare yourself, suckage is coming.

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  54. Watch Anime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...my list of To Watch list is only 9345 series with about 13-26 series. By the end of summer...it be in the five digits. I live in the Firehose!

  55. Summer TV? Who cares? by kattisch · · Score: 1

    Being in Montana, is there really anyone who would spend their summer watching TV? I don't think so. The summers are short and BEAUTIFUL and it's way to amazing to spend it indoors. Besides, I think we should hire Canadian writers. USA's shows are so trashing and mostly disgusting. The language is getting more foul. Look at Heartland--a Canadian show that has been on the for 11 seasons and still going strong and audiences of ALL ages love it. Once upon a time before American TV became an opening and a supply pipe which hell uses to vomit its impurities upon the earth, we had writers who could actually write shows that the whole family could watch and enjoy. So why would you want to sit and watch the ugliness of shows produced in the US? Time to turn off the TV and do something great. Get off the couch, go outside, take a walk, become a productive citizen again, and thank God for his reminder that a life well lived brings a flood of amazing joy that does not go away!

  56. Most of the effects are a few months away by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    Except for late night talk shows there will be little immediate effect. Any scripted show that will premiere during the summer is already written, if not already filmed. But some fall shows are currently in production and may not have all their scripts in hand; if the strike drags on they could be affected.

  57. Re: 2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No she wasnt. She proved that even a used, smelly, worn-out tennis shoe could beat her. IMHO it wasnt that peeps liked Drumph more than Hillary... its most peeps simply did not like Hillary.

    FFS Feel the Commie Bern probably would have beaten her except for the backroom deals she did with the DNC... and if that had not happened drumph probably wouldnt be prez right now.

  58. Re: 2007: Writer's strike caused the 2016 election by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    She proved that even a used, smelly, worn-out tennis shoe could beat her

    Most people would have voted for a used, smelly, worn-out tennis shoe over Trump as well. We were all fucked because they were really the two worst candidates for President I've ever seen.

    Again, no landslide or mandate for Donald Trump.

  59. Who cares? by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    Let them strike. TV has sucked for the past 25 years. It's all garbage with a few small exceptions and those are cartoons mostly.