Oh there's a problem with some Muslims, yeah. High illiteracy in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and a lack of education and health crises. That doesn't mean there's a problem with Islam. Murder and terrorism are sins in Islam, ask any Muslim you meet. Don't believe me? Think of it this way. South America has more terrorist acts than the Middle East, but nobody blames Christianity.
I can only think you're referring to Islam's prophet Muhammad. If so, I'm offended because you're just making accusations up.
Bisexual, eh? That's a new one. Sorry, no dice. Muhammad, peace be upon him, definitely wasn't bisexual. He had been married over 9 times! And as for pedophile, yes he had a wife under the age of 18, but according to the Society of the 7th century, a person wasn't an adult until he or she went through puberty, and she was over that age.
Oh all the Muslim-bashers and Islamophobes are going to come out of the woodwork.
Let's look at the article
Nor will Yahoo! accept yahoo, osama or binladen. But it will accept god, messiah, jesus, jehova, buddah, satan and both priest and pedophile.
I guess Yahoo is trying to avoid the trolls and hatemongers. You can't have a screenname "I<3Osama," but you can have a name with Jesus in it. I suppose that makes sense from a certain standpoint, Jesus is a popular hispanic name (but so is Osama and Usama as a male name in the Arabic world).
Did you read my links? I guess I'll ahve to repeat myself. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf said that the 9/11 hijackers were "mass murderers, not martyrs," and that the only martyrs on 9/11 were the firefighters and rescue workers killed trying to save the lives of the victims.
The leading moral authority for Sunnis is the rector or Grand Imam of the al-Azhar Seminary/ University in Cairo, Egypt. Al-Azhar is perhaps the world's oldest continuous university and has been since the time of Saladin a major center of Sunni religious authority. The current incumbent is Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi. So what about Tantawi and Bin Laden?
Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi is a TV preacher, and pretty popular with a wide Arabic audience on Al-Jazeera. He absolutely despises Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaradawi has repeatedly condemned Al-Qaeda. He even gave a fatwa that it was a duty of Muslims to fight alongside the US in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda! Yusuf Qaradawi Condemns Al Qaeda.
If you're looking for someone to make a fatwa that says so-and-so is in Hell right now, you're not going to find that, as Muslims aren't allowed to judge people, only God can. They can say that murder and suicide are both hell-worthy sins, and they all said that. This isn't like Catholicism where you can just excommunicate people either. You can label Bin Laden a sinner (and believe me, there's quite a lot of people who did), but in Islam you can't say whether he's an atheist or not. That's just semantics, everyone knows Bin Laden is a wrongdoer, and have said so.
Deafening Silence? What non-International news channel do you watch?
Aside from every major Islamic organization condemning terrorism and violence, what more do you want? Sheikh Hamza Yusuf said, "Terrorists are mass murderers, not martyrs" but I guess he wasn't deemed newsworthy. Sheikh Qaradawi, a popular TV preacher, has always been against Al-Qaeda and even said it was legitimate for Muslims to join the US in attacking the Taliban.
What about the mass demonstrations in Indonesia against terrorism? Heck, they had a rally calling for the execution of the Bali bombers. Indonesian Muslims were so outraged at the terrorists that they tried to storm the prison to lynch the terrorists.
Go and visit any local mosque, and they will tell you how much they are opposed to terrorism of all forms. Heck, the mosque by my house keeps sending me emails condemning the latest violence, when I know it's obvious. Still, I can understand how jittery everyone is, since a few mosques have been burned down over the last few years, and someone smashed our window.
Hey, Bush is guilty of the same sort of terrorism, but if he's elected fairly, isn't assasinating a definite No-no?
How was Mossadeq a terrorist? He was voted in and supported by the people, that doesn't give the US, who claims to support all democracy, the right to go and install a dictatorship. He wanted to sell oil to the highest bidder or something? Let him!
Most Americans didn't own slaves, but that didn't prevent a good portion of them from joining the Confederacy and fighting the Union to defend slavery and their social order. Many in fact DID work against the practice, but they were viewed by the South as terrorists (Nat Turner's rebellion),Northern Liberals, or extremists (ie John Brown).
I dunno about you, but I think flushing a Quran really doesn't make America's allies like Qatar, Bahrain, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Jordan or Indonesia support us any.
Also, the US did release hundreds of people from Gitmo, after depriving them of the right to due process, and torturing a few of them. Go read what happened to Jamal Al-Harith. (I think his name was)
iTunes will open as usual, but you will also see a Mac partition mounted as well, with a file or files. It's part of their enhanced CD, maybe they'll add a Music video or something
You're too much "You think I'm not offended when every German is portrayed as a Nazi.. come on.." If idiots like the National Front and neo-nazi organizations weren't running around doing hate crimes then there would be no joke to make.
I don't see how the existance of suicide bombers in Palestine justifies a gang beating up a pregnant Iraqi woman in her home in Oklahoma city. FYI, the world Islamic community condemned 9/11 and is pretty against suicide bombing. Where's your condemnation? (You seem to be supporting it when you put hate crimes against innocent civillians in the same sentence as suicide bombers. Both are wrong and should be condemned)
There's only one theocracy in the Middle East, Iran.
You can't blame Islam for monarchies. Why are people like Bin Laden and Zawahiri trying to assasinate the Saudi kings? Islam, contrary to Christianity in Europe, doesn't have "divine right of kings."
Oh ha ha ha, Arabic simpsons and suicide bombers. How so novel, I mean it's not like there's HATE crimes going on against innocent Arabs in the US and UK. Have you considered some people would be offended by the joke? How about the joke with the jews in the car ashtray? "I dont spend my time whining and bitching and being all sensitive about it.. I just get on with life"
I didn't say there wasn't oppression or backwardsness in the Middle East. I was annoyed by your overgeneralization that the entire place is oppressed and backwards. Maybe it was you referring to the entire middle east being in "the dark ages" and blaming Islam for it (as you demonstrated by your link to the extremist website).
I see you've changed your arguement while this thread progressed.
You telling me you saw a man on TV who said he saw something doesn't seem all too believable to me. You mean Iraqi people, who have satellite TV and modern plumbing and electricity, not to mention a number of universities, never heard of night vision? They had 10 years to watch repeats of Persian Gulf war videos, of course they know what it is. The most popular major in Iraq over the last few decades has been civil engineering, and prior to the sanctions, Iraq had one of the best healthcare systems in the Middle East. And where does the plastic in water bottles come from? (Petroleum products, which come from oil)
The LA Times reports that 44% of American Jews think Israel should be a state governed by both civil law and religious law. 54% of Conservative Jews opt for combination of religious and civil laws. Many Christians in America support the prohibition of abortion and outlawing of homosexuality. Adultery laws in America have only been recently overturned in the last few years, but the US military still has it (and prosecuted a soldier last year). Your point?
Islam never had a problem with evolution the same way Judaism/Christianity has. The Qur'an says that all life came from water (21:30, 24:45, and 25:54). Also, it says that one of God's attributes is that He is "the shaper" (some translations say "the evolver"). I never did a poll, but I think the majority of Muslims believe animals evolve. Muslims are divided on whether Adam, peace be upon him, was evolved or created (The Qur'an says he is the first man). Read Islam and Evolution to see how evolution is supported by some Muslims.
I hate how you overgeneralize. This thread was about the "Middle East" and you seem to be focusing only on Saudi Arabia, as if that is a representative of the rest of the 200 million people living there. The "Middle east" is backwards? How about Bahrain, which is already a modern tolerant democracy? What about Qatar, which has speech so free that international satellite news broadcasts from there? How about Kuwait, a country with a growing IT (along with a number other Gulf states and Jordan)? I can't forget Iran's numerous Persian films that frequently win international film awards.
To rebut your point about Saudi women, Muslims and Arabs worldwide are aghast at the restrictions Saudi Arabia makes on their women. I chalk it up to the monarchy dictatorship, there's no way those laws would exist in a democracy. Do you know Saudi culture? They have malls, with ladies underwear mannequins featured in shop windows. Women OB-GYNs run Saudi hospitals. We all know that Saudi Arabia doesn't speak for Islam (name one non-Saudi imam who endorses the monarchy).
When was the last time you saw a new computer, engine, or rocket or anything come out of South America? India? Australia? They probably got all their lessons from America, right? The Middle East once led the world in technology and science. Al-gebra is one example, opthalmology, improved star navigation, medicine, etc. Right now they're still working on advancing themselves. A lot of stuff held them back; lousy governments, colonialism, wars, etc.
By "Them" are you referring to Saudis or Afghanis? The Saudis don't usually kill women in a soccer stadium, maybe you're thinking the Taliban. And don't whine about another country's laws; America has some crazy ones of its own, and some that are criticized by supposedly modern countries (ie. anti-sodomy laws).
Women can go out in a t-shirt, ever been to Lebanon? BTW Europeans think Americans are rabid fundamentalists because nudity is banned in America. It's all relative.
Who says the Saudis need civilizing? What do you base that on? Ever been there? Ever met any? Did you Do you judge America solely on what the "Christian Taliban" wants to make the country into?
Saddam Hussein offered assistance to the US? Can you please show me a link, as google isn't showing anything. I heard Saddam Hussein was the only leader who didn't condemn the attack, and said something about America getting what it deserved.
I think a man who orders torture as an official tactic while starting an illegal war with full knowledge and intent of the shoddy reasoning, while selectively supporting terrorists like the Mujahideen-e-Khalq...Yeah, sounds pretty similar.
And I can CHOOSE to get circumcised. If I wasn't when I was a baby, I would get it performed now.
However, I can see why you dislike the idea of having it performed as a baby. I believe certain parts of the Middle East and Africa have it done at 13, but then I imagine it's more painful.
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Oh there's a problem with some Muslims, yeah. High illiteracy in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and a lack of education and health crises. That doesn't mean there's a problem with Islam. Murder and terrorism are sins in Islam, ask any Muslim you meet. Don't believe me? Think of it this way. South America has more terrorist acts than the Middle East, but nobody blames Christianity.
I can only think you're referring to Islam's prophet Muhammad. If so, I'm offended because you're just making accusations up.
Bisexual, eh? That's a new one. Sorry, no dice. Muhammad, peace be upon him, definitely wasn't bisexual. He had been married over 9 times! And as for pedophile, yes he had a wife under the age of 18, but according to the Society of the 7th century, a person wasn't an adult until he or she went through puberty, and she was over that age.
Let's look at the article
I guess Yahoo is trying to avoid the trolls and hatemongers. You can't have a screenname "I<3Osama," but you can have a name with Jesus in it. I suppose that makes sense from a certain standpoint, Jesus is a popular hispanic name (but so is Osama and Usama as a male name in the Arabic world).
I could have iHeartJesus, but not iLoveAllah?
The leading moral authority for Sunnis is the rector or Grand Imam of the al-Azhar Seminary/ University in Cairo, Egypt. Al-Azhar is perhaps the world's oldest continuous university and has been since the time of Saladin a major center of Sunni religious authority. The current incumbent is Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi. So what about Tantawi and Bin Laden?
Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden. Here's another cached link from Washington Post reporting on the same condemnation.
What about Pakistan? Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.
Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi is a TV preacher, and pretty popular with a wide Arabic audience on Al-Jazeera. He absolutely despises Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaradawi has repeatedly condemned Al-Qaeda. He even gave a fatwa that it was a duty of Muslims to fight alongside the US in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda! Yusuf Qaradawi Condemns Al Qaeda.
Hamza Yusuf is a sheikh, what about the Shi'ites? Most fatwas of that sort are in arabic, but here's one reported: Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden
Don't forget the West!> There are 250,000 Muslims in Spain: Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. Russia is 15% Muslim, with 20 Million Muslims. High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. And they're not saying that to please Putin or anything.
If you're looking for someone to make a fatwa that says so-and-so is in Hell right now, you're not going to find that, as Muslims aren't allowed to judge people, only God can. They can say that murder and suicide are both hell-worthy sins, and they all said that. This isn't like Catholicism where you can just excommunicate people either. You can label Bin Laden a sinner (and believe me, there's quite a lot of people who did), but in Islam you can't say whether he's an atheist or not. That's just semantics, everyone knows Bin Laden is a wrongdoer, and have said so.
Aside from every major Islamic organization condemning terrorism and violence, what more do you want? Sheikh Hamza Yusuf said, "Terrorists are mass murderers, not martyrs" but I guess he wasn't deemed newsworthy. Sheikh Qaradawi, a popular TV preacher, has always been against Al-Qaeda and even said it was legitimate for Muslims to join the US in attacking the Taliban.
If you search online, you'll find photos of Muslims in anti-terror rallies. Here's two Palestinian women at a 9/11 memorial, and another of some of the Palestinian students who all observed 5 minutes of silence to remember 9/11 victims. Bangladesh anti-terrorism rally and sympathy for 9/11 victims. Palestinians held a rally against suicide bombing, but I can't find coverage in english press.
What about the mass demonstrations in Indonesia against terrorism? Heck, they had a rally calling for the execution of the Bali bombers. Indonesian Muslims were so outraged at the terrorists that they tried to storm the prison to lynch the terrorists.
Go and visit any local mosque, and they will tell you how much they are opposed to terrorism of all forms. Heck, the mosque by my house keeps sending me emails condemning the latest violence, when I know it's obvious. Still, I can understand how jittery everyone is, since a few mosques have been burned down over the last few years, and someone smashed our window.
Hey, Bush is guilty of the same sort of terrorism, but if he's elected fairly, isn't assasinating a definite No-no?
How was Mossadeq a terrorist? He was voted in and supported by the people, that doesn't give the US, who claims to support all democracy, the right to go and install a dictatorship. He wanted to sell oil to the highest bidder or something? Let him!
Most Americans didn't own slaves, but that didn't prevent a good portion of them from joining the Confederacy and fighting the Union to defend slavery and their social order. Many in fact DID work against the practice, but they were viewed by the South as terrorists (Nat Turner's rebellion),Northern Liberals, or extremists (ie John Brown).
It's spelled Jose Padilla.
...So are you opposed to gitmo?
I dunno about you, but I think flushing a Quran really doesn't make America's allies like Qatar, Bahrain, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Jordan or Indonesia support us any.
Also, the US did release hundreds of people from Gitmo, after depriving them of the right to due process, and torturing a few of them. Go read what happened to Jamal Al-Harith. (I think his name was)
iTunes will open as usual, but you will also see a Mac partition mounted as well, with a file or files. It's part of their enhanced CD, maybe they'll add a Music video or something
the auto execute isn't enabled in MacOS X
Sony doesn't sell their music via iTunes, they offer their own music store to compete.
You're too much "You think I'm not offended when every German is portrayed as a Nazi.. come on.." If idiots like the National Front and neo-nazi organizations weren't running around doing hate crimes then there would be no joke to make.
I don't see how the existance of suicide bombers in Palestine justifies a gang beating up a pregnant Iraqi woman in her home in Oklahoma city. FYI, the world Islamic community condemned 9/11 and is pretty against suicide bombing. Where's your condemnation? (You seem to be supporting it when you put hate crimes against innocent civillians in the same sentence as suicide bombers. Both are wrong and should be condemned)
There's only one theocracy in the Middle East, Iran.
You can't blame Islam for monarchies. Why are people like Bin Laden and Zawahiri trying to assasinate the Saudi kings? Islam, contrary to Christianity in Europe, doesn't have "divine right of kings."
Oh ha ha ha, Arabic simpsons and suicide bombers. How so novel, I mean it's not like there's HATE crimes going on against innocent Arabs in the US and UK. Have you considered some people would be offended by the joke? How about the joke with the jews in the car ashtray? "I dont spend my time whining and bitching and being all sensitive about it.. I just get on with life"
I didn't say there wasn't oppression or backwardsness in the Middle East. I was annoyed by your overgeneralization that the entire place is oppressed and backwards. Maybe it was you referring to the entire middle east being in "the dark ages" and blaming Islam for it (as you demonstrated by your link to the extremist website).
I see you've changed your arguement while this thread progressed.
The LA Times reports that 44% of American Jews think Israel should be a state governed by both civil law and religious law. 54% of Conservative Jews opt for combination of religious and civil laws. Many Christians in America support the prohibition of abortion and outlawing of homosexuality. Adultery laws in America have only been recently overturned in the last few years, but the US military still has it (and prosecuted a soldier last year). Your point?
Islam never had a problem with evolution the same way Judaism/Christianity has. The Qur'an says that all life came from water (21:30, 24:45, and 25:54). Also, it says that one of God's attributes is that He is "the shaper" (some translations say "the evolver"). I never did a poll, but I think the majority of Muslims believe animals evolve. Muslims are divided on whether Adam, peace be upon him, was evolved or created (The Qur'an says he is the first man). Read Islam and Evolution to see how evolution is supported by some Muslims.
I hate how you overgeneralize. This thread was about the "Middle East" and you seem to be focusing only on Saudi Arabia, as if that is a representative of the rest of the 200 million people living there. The "Middle east" is backwards? How about Bahrain, which is already a modern tolerant democracy? What about Qatar, which has speech so free that international satellite news broadcasts from there? How about Kuwait, a country with a growing IT (along with a number other Gulf states and Jordan)? I can't forget Iran's numerous Persian films that frequently win international film awards.
To rebut your point about Saudi women, Muslims and Arabs worldwide are aghast at the restrictions Saudi Arabia makes on their women. I chalk it up to the monarchy dictatorship, there's no way those laws would exist in a democracy. Do you know Saudi culture? They have malls, with ladies underwear mannequins featured in shop windows. Women OB-GYNs run Saudi hospitals. We all know that Saudi Arabia doesn't speak for Islam (name one non-Saudi imam who endorses the monarchy).
When was the last time you saw a new computer, engine, or rocket or anything come out of South America? India? Australia? They probably got all their lessons from America, right? The Middle East once led the world in technology and science. Al-gebra is one example, opthalmology, improved star navigation, medicine, etc. Right now they're still working on advancing themselves. A lot of stuff held them back; lousy governments, colonialism, wars, etc.
By "Them" are you referring to Saudis or Afghanis? The Saudis don't usually kill women in a soccer stadium, maybe you're thinking the Taliban. And don't whine about another country's laws; America has some crazy ones of its own, and some that are criticized by supposedly modern countries (ie. anti-sodomy laws).
Women can go out in a t-shirt, ever been to Lebanon? BTW Europeans think Americans are rabid fundamentalists because nudity is banned in America. It's all relative.
Saudi Arabia has geeks just like us.
Saddam Hussein offered assistance to the US? Can you please show me a link, as google isn't showing anything. I heard Saddam Hussein was the only leader who didn't condemn the attack, and said something about America getting what it deserved.
Private insurers will cover them, like Fire Island, NY for example, but obviously will charge higher amounts.
Are you confusing African-Americans with Pakistanis?
I think a man who orders torture as an official tactic while starting an illegal war with full knowledge and intent of the shoddy reasoning, while selectively supporting terrorists like the Mujahideen-e-Khalq...Yeah, sounds pretty similar.
Mac OS 9 and OS X both support multiple-button mice.
And quit trolling, you can't get a Mac for $6000. They don't go far past $3000 for the highest G5
And I can CHOOSE to get circumcised. If I wasn't when I was a baby, I would get it performed now.
However, I can see why you dislike the idea of having it performed as a baby. I believe certain parts of the Middle East and Africa have it done at 13, but then I imagine it's more painful.