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How Episode IV Should Have Ended
OverNeith writes "An excellent cartoon film showing how SW:Episode IV would have ended in a non-Lucas reality. Enjoy!" From the cartoon: "Han: Boy, you said it Chewie. I was this close to going back and helping those people."
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. . .with episode 5. Unfortunately Lucas had to make four more.
I want the fire back.
The torrent file distributes a .WMV file!
sux to be luke then. joint the force he would have :P
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Wow, a true test of Bittorent, 1.4% done and I'm uploading 5x as fast as I download. 1 hour estimated download :-)
What's a torrent file?
Its kinda fun to watch my bittorrent upload rate jump up from 2KB/s to 170 to 300 within seconds of the article making slashdot.
Did I read that right?
I'm not one for star wars humor, but damn that was funny. :) Worth a watch. The animation is real nice, too.
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Sadly episodes I through III should have ended on the cutting room floor.
Wait... Something is wrong...
Episode IV was fine how it was, shouldn't this be for Episode I-III?
Also, these two movies.
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FWIW: Took about 30 seconds to download.
I am a believer of momentum and curves.
Great animation, very impressive visually. But I must digress, that was very dull. I am a raging SW fanboy who loves just about anything that parodies or takes from SW, but this was boring. For something more fun, see www.ultracheese.com which is what I consider a FUNNY film.
This qualifies for a front page post on Slashdot?
The art is impressive (not the animation), but overall it's completely unimaginitive and equally unfunny.
Score: -1 Unfunny.
*Begin Transcript*
[Text on screen]
How Star Wars episode IV should have ended...
[Inside the rebel base]
Rebel Commander (briefing troops): Men normally with this information we would take time to make a more intricit plan of attack. However, rather than transmitting the technical readouts of the imperial battlestation and keeping our hidden loctaion safe...Princess Leia insisted on coming back, knowing full well that her ship was being tracked. In short, we have one chance to make this right and it's all Prince Leia's fault.
[On the death star]
Death star Piolet: Sir we have reached the planet Yavin. The rebel base is on a moon orbitting on the other side of the planet. We will be in firing range in 30 minutes.
Death star commander: I say we're in range now. Fire.
-Beeping noises-
-Animation of the death star blowing up the planet-
[Rebel base]
Rebel commander: Well so much for that idea.
[Millenium Falcon]
Chewie: Raaaar.
Han: Boy, you said it Chewie. I was this close to going back and helping those people.
[Text on screen]
The end.
[Diagobah (sp?)]
Yoda: Let him beat you you had to. What will I do now? Go crazy I will.
Obi wan (as a ghost): Oh get over yourself.
*End Transcrip*
My thoughts on the subject:
Look if you remember the first time you saw star wars...you didn't hate it. Maybe you have what it's become but what percentage of movies that were made in the 70's would even pass the giggle test if someone tried to release them today? The plot and special effects were something that had never been done before. Sure after 30 years the plot didn't turn out to be bulletproof. All a movie has to do to be a good movie is hold your attention and entertain for the duration it's on the screen. You know what? All the star wars movies (except episode 1) did that for me.
A post about (a) animation and (b) Star Wars which has been (c) posted to Slashdot.
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If someone could post a magnet link or tell me how to do it. The site was still up for me, but the wiki and google turned up a way that was beyond me.
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I want a new world. I think this one is broken.
we have one chance to make this right and it's all Prince Leia's fault.
...to join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium - (pause) - I'm sorry, it's the hair. Prince Valium....
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1: Agreed.
2: Y'know, I cancelled by download 'cause of that transcript. The last thing I want is to encourage half-wits who fail to spend ten minutes thinking "why" and keep themsleves at "that's dumb."
Case in point: the plans for the death star were being transported at the start of the movie, which implies that for some odd reason, they couldn't be sent via intersteller communication. Probably because the secret rebel base doesn't have the massive communication platform necessary for such.
(And let's not forget the obvious time dilation you don't see in the movies--the Millenium Falcon moves fast enough that, even if the Death Star left right away, they still had a day or more to sit, plan, and decide what to do. Possibly a number of weeks.)
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A car pulls up, driven by a man in a suit. Suddenly the driver deflates and is sucked into the steering wheel.
Tommy Lee Jones: Does that come standard?
Will Smith: Actually it came with a black dude, but he kept getting pulled over.
Just thought I'd return the favor. You know, in case you ever see Men in Black II. Or something.
Well, I agree with you completely. But it's so trendy to be darkly cynical these days that nobody lets a little thought get in the way of a passive-aggressive, mean-spirited put-down masquerading as innocent humor. Thanks so much, Jon Stewart.
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for that kind of money, I'd have made a dozen more star wars flicks.
oh noes! teh nerds will hate me!
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And how would transmitting it through the enemy's communication grid keep the base secret? (the Empire could trace the origin and the endpoint of communication... think email header kinda)
And it was mostly Chewbaca who made Han turn back, not Han. Think: Always let the Wookie win.
This isn't a jab at the parent, but a nice manuscript to use.
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Are they the only
Wow, that was exceedingly lame.
Star Wars apologists are almost as bad as Star Trek apologists. After-the-fact justifications for continuity/script errors/mistakes/bad calls is lame.
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The WMV file contains widescreen video, with the black bars encoded into it, making it 4:3. Great fun when you're using a 16:9 screen
Yeah the rest of it was funny too, but please. Hurting that bad for a clever editorial comment? Sheesh.
> I sometimes wonder what movies would be like if logically thinking people made them.
Lets count the ways:
1. Flying through space would involve a crew, safety checks, and published flight plans in an advances society. So no two man smuggling teams.
2. Effeminate robots and a beeping speech system would never have made it past the "stupidity test" thus no R2 and 3P0. Instead you'd have two very predictable and obedient automatons.
3. No faster than light travel. So long galactic civilization.
4. No sounds in space.
5. Stormtroopers being professional soldiers would take careful aim, set up snipers, etc thus all gun fights end with the good guys dying and quickly.
6. No force, no prophesies, etc. No such thing.
7. No one acting out of stupid impulse or emotion, thus Luke never leaves tatooine.
etc.
Err, I'd rather not watch the Vulcan version of Star Wars. The silliness is part of its charm. Storytelling is much more an unpredictable art than a science.
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1. If intersteller travel is common, then, just like planes and boats, small teams can smuggle stuff. It's just that the required crew is two in the case of the Falcon. I'm a logical person, but I realize that not everyone is both logical and have the same safety standards. This is best possible if computerized systems can alert the crew in time for them to reach the controls and react.
2. Agreed. I mean, how hard would it be to give R2 a speech synth? Of course, you could have a society with issues about 'speaking automatons'.
3. All I ask for is internal consistancy. As long as they don't try to technobabble it, I have no problem with a Clark's law FTL system.
4. Agreed.
5. Agreed, however, I'd point out that even the insurgents in Iraq manage to kill US soldiers, and if you figure in an insurgency where the rebels have access to equal technology, asymetric warfare is quite possible.
6. Again, suspension of disbelief. Midochloreans count as technobabble. If you're this logical, watch a freeking documentory.
7. Happens in real life.
I'd be happy if movie and television producers hired a couple military and science people to act as advisors. Keep KISS in mind.
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Eps 1 - 3 were all digital. No film to cut!
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They still could've switched ships on some other planet. Not that it bothers me much.
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Everything was proceeding nicely when, suddenly, my firewall started going nuts with dozens of incoming probes to ports commonly used by sql server, oracle, various license managers, and so on.
Is it just me, or are hackers are using the ip addresses distributed by the trackers to find currently connected computers to attack?
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2. Effeminate robots and a beeping speech system would never have made it past the "stupidity test" thus no R2 and 3P0. Instead you'd have two very predictable and obedient automatons.
Well if you look at the people who have the most advanced robots so far, and examine their culture..let's just say that we shouldn't be surprised by androids with raping tentacles.
4. No sounds in space.
Bzzt. No sounds in a vaccuum,but space isn't one. It'd be quite possible for sound to be transmitted in the detritus from, say, an explosion.
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get your own ideas! or at least give the characters alternate names, like Nah or Bewchakka.
if you have to harp on the story then you missed the whole point.
it's a movie. movies are not just the story. they involve THOUSANDS of people, millions if you include yourself. George Lucas happens to be someone who will be considered a Picasso or Monet or Calder in years to come. he is an auteur, with the unfortunate film references aside. he created the "Block Buster."
by trying to recreate that or amend it there isn't going to be a better movie that comes out of it. just as sandpaper doesn't lend itself to being better at cleaning your face than your hands are.
quit trying to subtract from that kind of thing. it's a waste of everyone's intelligence, most of all yours. because it's boring, most of all very. get a life, as in the kind that is probably interesting to a large group of friends.
much good has come from fan fiction, but this is far from it.
Two points: (I never, ever thought I'd become a SW apologist, but here goes...) 1.) Who says the Empire can't track interstellar communications? They should have some pretty impressive listening systems, methinks. 2.) As long as the recharge time of the deathstar beam-o-death is longer than 30 minutes, it makes sense to hold off firing. IIRC, that is far from impossible. There, George - do I get a check or something? Please?
Ah, but the 70's probably had more brilliant films than for example the 80's
Not to mention the horribly sentimental 90's
1. If computers can fly voyager, two men with even more (presumably) advanced computers can fly smuggling ships
2. heh
3. heh (String theorists will disagree, of course)
4. One can say that those sounds heard in the movies are not generated in space, but inside ships when they collide or when them turbolaser thingies strike them. The gunshots are also sounds transmitted thru hull metal when the guns fire or whatever, and remember that space isn't 100% vacuum.
5. Reminds me of a story of some guy who pointed out that bad guys in hollywood westerns would win if they just shot the horses. The director replies, 'but then we wouldn't have a movie'.
6. Maybe it's more of a Stephen Baxter style "Vacuum Diagram" type prophecy than anything bootstrapped from Hinduism/Buddhism/Judaism.
7. You forgot to mention the biggest damn problem. Why is there gravity in space? everybody in those ships stand upright & walk, and those ships don't have centrifuges or anything??????
Might want to read Stephen Baxter instead. He's a bit of a racist, but a good scifi writer who doesn't deviate too far from the laws of physics or common sense.
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Ok, because it's late and I'm tired, I'll geek a bit...
I figure they didn't transmit the plans because it would've pinpointed how they were planning the rebel attack.
And then the empire could've just put some chickenwire over the exhaust port.
Then they would've failed and died. Which wouldn't have made Lucas nearly as much money.
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"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
The reason I found it so funny was because I had the *exact* same discussion of this plot hole with my friends when we were last watching Star Wars
In deep space, you have to aim the parabolic antennae at the destination. Presumably, "subspace" transmissions would behave the same way.
Thus, all the Star Destroyer (or whatever) has to do is notice which direction the antennae was aimed, and go That Way.
How do you miss an enormous plot hole like that?
It's called a plot device. It's also why laser cannons aren't radar controlled, like the CIWS in service since 1979, the AMRAAM, in service since 1991, and the AGM-84 Harpoon, around since 1977.
Oh, and don't forget heat seekers like the AIM-9 Sidewinder and IR targeters like the M1. Abrams, since 1980.
There are more, and I've not even mentioned non-US systems, but you get the picture.
And how can we forget Noise In Space? Just tonight on SG:Atlantis, when a ship blew up, you could hear the explosion on other ships.
What ever happened to, "In space, no one can hear you scream."?
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5. Stormtroopers being professional soldiers would take careful aim, set up snipers, etc thus all gun fights end with the good guys dying and quickly.
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I used to be a sceptic. These days, I'm not so certain.
Ahem... the plot was taken straight out of several Kurosawa movies, the special effects I agree with you.
As I recall, Yavin was a gas giant. What good is vaporising vapor going to do?
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Bzzt. No sounds in a vaccuum,but space isn't one.
It's enough of a vacuum that "explosion sounds", i.e., the shock wave transmitted by vibrating molecules, can't occur in space.
It'd be quite possible for sound to be transmitted in the detritus from, say, an explosion.
Those would be the sounds of the detritus smashing into the hull of your ship.
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And how would transmitting it through the enemy's communication grid keep the base secret?
Broadcast ?
You forgot to mention the biggest damn problem. Why is there gravity in space? everybody in those ships stand upright & walk, and those ships don't have centrifuges or anything??????
These ships will need some serious gravity controllers anyway, as they are accelerating at several thousand G. That kind of acceleration would leave the entire crew as a bloody pulp spread across the back wall of the ship under "normal" circumstances.
I used to be a sceptic. These days, I'm not so certain.
Especially after watching the other movies. With so many things 'wrong' with movie endings, you'd figure fans would be able to 'fix' them. Apparently not.
You have some experience with "massive doses of LSD"? I would imagine a lot of people would freak out after a "massive dose of LSD"....
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That said, the recent prequels don't entirely jibe with the books. *sigh* Lucas, Lucas, Lucas...
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(comicbookguy mode) So, while the first 5 seconds of the movie were mildly interesting due the fact that there were a volumous number of orange beings present watching the same sequential movement of the, presumed, leader of the enemy rebels, I feel that the seconds after that where highly uninspiring to me.
Now off you go, back to ordering my collection of Battlestar Galactica Behind the Scenes Cast Character cards.
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Then you would have everyone and their grandmothers building Deathstars in their backyard!
;-)
Kindof like the internet and nuclear weapons... oh wait...
I used to have a set of top trump cards with the Death Star in. That card was one of the best having massive weight and firepower but it's downfall was always speed. As I recall it was one of the slowest in the pack coming in at 2km/s. At that speed they surely would all have crumbled to death long before reaching the rebel base. For all intents it was pretty much stationary. Although I suppose you could use gravity to increase its speed but that would still take a long time.
5. Stormtroopers being professional soldiers would take careful aim, set up snipers, etc thus all gun fights end with the good guys dying and quickly.
Not to be too straight-laced, but they could have had the storm troopers do things like that, get set up properly, make advancements, etc, and still have the main characters escape by the skin of their teeth. It would have built up excitement in a way that watching storm trooper after incompetent storm trooper being gunned down just doesn't. At least some percentage of the movie should have been devoted to the storm troopers winning, to build up tension.
A New Hope:
Storm troopers rule:
killed jawas (off camera)
Storm troopers suck:
Took equal losses with the defences of a councelor's ship on a peaceful mission.
Can't stop a group of rogues from escaping while they're already in prison.
They're scared of Han.
Empire Strikes Back:
Storm troopers rule:
Took over cloud city (off camera)
Storm troopers suck:
Giant battletanks full of the empires strongest weaponry taken down by string.
Still can't stop a group of rogues from escaping while they're already in prison.
Got shown up by a dwarf with a pot on his head.
Return of the Jedi
Storm Troopers Rule:
Actually stopped a group of rogues from doing something, and on camera no less!
Storm Troopers Suck:
Death of everything they represent.
Lost to a bunch of muppets.
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Even if they use torrents, that certainly didn't take too long...
"bandwidth limit exceeded" ... doh!
"much good has come from fan fiction, but this is far from it."
/. that amaze us the way a plane crash might horrify us.
I agree with pretty much everything you have to say except for this.
Fan fiction is pathetic. Aside from a handful (5) cases where the intent was to parody; even then, in those cases you still wonder about these people having no life of their own.
Inevitably, this stuff is done by social misfits who get their life through hanging out with other social misfits, with the one common bond of being too involved in George Lucas' Life (or Gene Roddenberry or whoever...cripes, what kind of loser comes up with phrases "great white bird")
Star Wars is a good movie, a fine series, and I watched them all in the theater when they arrived, but aside from watching them and speculating over lunch, my life is not wrapped up or around these things. And if I'm going to write fiction, its going to be my own creation. If you're writing fiction and the best you can do is to make up stories based on Star Wars, you've got to admit it shows a basic lack of creativity. After all, I don't recall Asimov writing stories that took place in Clarke's "2001 Universe". Asimov couldn't write dialog to save his life, but the guy had more ideas than you could shake a stick at, which is why people will remember his name, and will go out of their way to avoid "fan ficiton".
I guess the best thing you can say about these people is at best they keep to themselves and at worst they give us some links on
If this is harsh, so be it. I find its the equivalent of basket weaving at a sanitorium; I'm grateful these kinds of people have something that makes them a little happy. But lets not pretend its good, or marvelous, or useful. Its just busy-activity for the terminally nerdy.
Actually, I did watch episode IV when it first released while on LSD. As I recall, it was kind of intense. And the plot made a lot more sense.
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Came in at 32KB/s at first (I'm on a 300kbps line). Averaged at 11.8 KB/s according to the transfer window. Not bad considering the circumstances.
Opera doesn't seem to be listening on port 6881, and I have a firewall in the way. Even so i've been uploading. Which is also very impressive.
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3. No faster than light travel. So long galactic civilization.
This really annoys me. People who say it's impossible to travel faster than light (as a blanket statement) are the modern equivalent of those who said the earth was flat. Those people also said that cars could not travel more than 50 miles per hour, because all the air would be sucked out and the occupants would suffocate.
While I can't prove that it is possible, you can't prove that it's impossible either. So lets just say that given TODAYS TECHNOLOGY, galactic civilisations would not be possible.
Starships scream?
This annoys me. No one ever said that.
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Leia: They're tracking us! That's the only explanation for the ease of our escape.
I believe it can be well argued that Leia most certainly was aware that they were being tracked.
But they've been doing that for more than a year now. But IMO, if you're running a p2p app without stuff like a firewall and IP blacklist, odds are that your system is already compromised. It also might be interesting to note that the attacks are much more prevalent on the anonymous networks (freenet, ants, i2p, tor, mute)
When a ship blows up little bits of burnt ship would fly outwards in all directions, presumably hitting said other ships and vibrating their hulls, making noise.
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Aside from the problems with playing back WMV files in OS X (which I mosty managed to solve now), I still hate them by default because 95% of the WMV files are ugly tiny moving puddles of blocky puke with a soundtrack of people dancing in glass shards. I suspect this is due to the fact that WMV files are mostly made by users who have no idea that there are other formats, because WMV was neatly packed with their OS. They just punch some buttons in their 'wizards' which tell them that a file for the internet should have a bit rate of 56kbit/s.
Just for a few more sample points.
It took my 19s to download the file. I got an average of 516kb/s.
So..... i'm thinking it's a user error. On your end.
Episode IV? There's now III episodes before that so much more in need if the MST3K treatment....
Episode I, needs a scene of JarJar being horribly killed.
Episode II, needs a scene of JarJar being horribly killed.
Episode III, that JarJar cameo? That should have been a scene of him being horribly killed.
Episode IV refresh, they could have added a nice shot of a suspiciously Jar-Jar-like silhouette catching a blaster bolt.
Then we need a shot of George Lucas being killed horribly for turning the Jedi into a bunch of stupid steroid^Wmidiclorian-pumped jocks and light-saber ricers.
Hell no; he's just avoiding the MPAA
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I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Perhaps not, but what we can prove is that if you have some magic means of travelling faster than light, you also have the means to travel back in time. You may not be prepared to accept what that does to the universe.
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Just leave it alone. I'm tired of Lucas messing with them - now this?
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Whoo. Definitely.
Both are almost as bad as spending effort thinking about continuity/script errors/mistakes/bad calls in the first place. (Unless they're really glaring)
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Would bits of former spaceship hitting your hull sound like an explosion?
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Nothing more, nothing less. Just right.
The light speed limit is a prediction of relativity, a theory that works extremely well in the many situations it's applied. People who think it's fundamental are on vastly stronger ground than flat-Earthers or people who claimed high-speed travel was impossible for humans.
Just for fun, note also that the Fermi paradox argues against it somewhat.
It still might be wrong, of course (and the problems with reconciling relativity and quantum mechanics means that it probably is wrong, at least in some details), but many scientists today who are understand the history and philosophy of science and are aware of all the times people have been bitten by stupid statements in the past are still often convinced that faster than light spaceships is impossible.
And of course the "you can't prove that it's impossible" argument applies to everything; by that argument I could be a sentient bowl of cinammon custard, but it's not productive to consider that idea.
One more point: slower than light galactic civilisations would be totally possible for lifeforms who live for tens of thousands of years and don't mind the odd century of lightspeed delay.
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A lot changes in 40 minutes.
And of course the "you can't prove that it's impossible" argument applies to everything; by that argument I could be a sentient bowl of cinammon custard, but it's not productive to consider that idea.
Actually, falsifiability is a core concept in scientific endeavor. Also, it can be quite easily disproved that you're not a bowl of cinnamon custard; for one, I'm sure you don't taste as nice.
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Took equal losses with the defences of a councelor's ship on a peaceful mission.
"Peaceful mission"? That's bulldrek. You saw how heavily armed the crew was. The entire ship was on a highly illegal mission for the rebellion, and was equipped appropriately.
I've heard this a lot. Lucas even said Star Wars was based on The Hidden Fortress. After watching several Kurosawa movies, guess what? I don't see much resemblance. Lucas said Hidden Fortress, and except for having a "Princess", there's almost no similarity. And even there, it's vastly different.
In Hidden Fortress, she's actually a princess. What was Leia princess of again?
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Yeh... I had to break off with her after I found out all the entire death star had done her.
Not to mention that the 'noise' of the explosion coincides with the flash of the explosion, the debris would take time to reach your ship since its not travelling at the speed of light (eg the delay beween seeing lightning and hearing thunder)
Your firewall is very boring.
You may be right, and I'm certainly no physicist, but I've always imagined a large oxygen-filled vessel (for instance a starship) exploding would send the oxygen flying in all directions (a gas fills its container right...) therefore if the sound could travel through the oxygen anyone in that oxygen could hear it?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but that's just how I imagined it.
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It depends on what part of the ship and how hard they hit.
Could someone post the link to the project for episode 7?
Very impressed with how seemless it was.
SEAMLESS. Seamless, seamless, seamless, seamless, seamless.
Without a seam! Smooth! SEAMLESS!!
I know this has been mentioned a few times already. I know this is just a parody, and it doesn't matter...
:)
But the original death star could only fire it's main weapon once a day. The second version was able to fire it every few hours or so, can't remember off-hand, but the point being that if they blew up the planet, it would have been a while before they could have done anything to the moon
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Yes - under the doctrine of falsifiability you shouldn't invite someone to prove something impossible. You can only prove something is possible, by providing an example.
You can't prove it's impossible that custard wrote the previous drxray post. I can't prove it's possible, though that doesn't mean it's not. So, as science, it's not very useful.
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I realize that all us open-source zealots are supposed to be promoting bittorrent as much as possible but when the site hosting the torrent gets slashdotted then we're in a bit of a pickle. This file is only 7 MB in size so I don't see why no one could have shared it. Well, I'm going to go the right thing and do it anonymously so I'm not seen as karma whoring: link
I'm not sure I'm really doing you guys that much of a favor because the humor is pretty childish. In fact, I feel so guilty about wasting your time that I'm going to post a bonus clip that most of you will get more enjoyment out of.
His IP was 127.63.232.12
Also his C share is Wideee open with no firewall at \\127.63.232.12\C$
Some one with l33t hacking skills and no clue should hack the living hell out of this guy!.
An MBSA scan shows a blank administratrs password and lots of missing critical patches, and port 80, 21, 5000, 8001, 137, 138, 139 wide open.
Boy, isn't hacking fun. now if some one can only bring him down we'd all be much happier wouldn't we?
Huge collection of credit cards and porn, lots of hacking tools.
Even has the newest Camerion Diaz topless flick ready for download. Man Cameron looks good with a whip!
Girls really do prefer "cut" guys.
We get head more than you, we get laid more than you.
I think some of you guys are cheesed off (no pun intended) that most chicks think an uncut guy is disgusting.
Oh, maybe some hairy chick thinks you're hot, but lets get real here.
this # could be yours !
I have discovered a truly remarkable proof which this margin is too small to contain.
Also his C share is Wideee open with no firewall at \\127.63.232.12\C$
Some one with l33t hacking skills and no clue should hack the living hell out of this guy!.
Since you're already in anyway, DEL *.*
Or is that not l33t enough for a wide-open share?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I would have settled just for Jar-Jar Binks on the cutting room floor. Then Episodes I and II could have been combined into a single, remaining film.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I thought she was Princess of Alderan -- the planet the Death Star blew up that was her home world. Of course, that was just my take on it. With the new pre-trilogy movies, you could say she was princess because her mother was a queen -- Amidala. Lucas totally screwed up the whole Queen thing by making the queen elected, thus making Amidala a former queen and senator, though. He also screwed up the continuity because Leia supposedly actually knew her mother and remembered her, but with the new movies, it would have had to have been a stepmother -- who I presume was also a queen. The queen of Alderan. I'd be interested to hear other opinions, though.
Oh my God! They killed Jar-Jar -- you Bastards!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
That also just happen to look and act like two gorgeous, incredibly sexy, and willing women. After all, what other kind of advanced obedient robot would any sane race build?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
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Lucas tried to remove the fantasy element by introducing a biological symbiot to "all living things in the universe". This, of course, is simply hogwash, because eventually we see that ghosts of passed Jedi are allowed to walk appear anywhere they wish. Some geekoid will try to defend ghosts as some "singular expression of a personality though the omnipresent matrix of medaclorians," which so happen to communicate over vast amounts of space instantaneously. This ties together nicely Luke's ability to feel Han's torture and Darth Vadar and the Emperor's ability to coordinate tactical command of vast starfleets.
Hey, it's sci-fi/fantasy; a space opera. If it wasn't, it would be Battle Star Galactica. Suspend disbelief and enjoy.
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And I also find it hard to believe that you never once saw that scene where princess leia says "They're tracking us that's the only explanation for the ease of our escape" and wonder why she wouldn't arrange a rendevous with a rebel ship to transfer R2D2 to. But the whole idea of the death star is pretty silly when you think about it. I realised that a long time ago, but I still enjoy the movie because its entertaining. And I'm sure the people who made that clip are fans of starwars too.
It's a movie dude, not a religion. You can make fun of it and still like it.
For those of you who would like to see Daniel's ninja website design skills, I've setup a round robin mirror since the origional site has been slashdotted.
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Star Wars basically combines the general plot of Dune (desert planet, twin brother and sister, prescience), the swashbuckling action of Buck Rogers (Han Solo, X-Wing fighters, blasters), with a little bit of the samurai films thrown in (Swordsmen losing power to armies with guns).
Are you telling me that you take star wars so seriously that it upsets you when someone pokes a little fun at it.
It's not Star Wars. It's art in general -- even intentinally campy art like Star Wars.
The equivalent is if someone read Tolkien, and said "why didn't they just invent gunpowder? This is stoopid."
Art is meant to entertain. When you come to something that doesn't seem to make sense, your second thought should be "what could explain that?"
Doing otherwise is lazy reading, poor thinking, and just plain rude.
Or, yeah, she might have been talking about her stepmother.
Anyway, it seems like you're protesting people having a good laugh at the expense of a campy movie. Isn't the whole point of making a campy movie is to make people laugh? I know I laughed when Leia says she knows the Imperials are being tracked. And then I saw this cartoon and I laughed even more (though it was too bad that they posted Han's line here, kinda spoiled the punchline).
And "what could explain that?" Well, a rushed and overworked scriptwriter made a mistake. Should have cut the part about the Millenium Falcon being tracked and just had a scene when they arrived at Yavin with someone saying "You've arrived just in time! Bothans have informed us that the Imperials know of the location of our base here and they're on their way now!".
But it doesn't really matter, it was just a flaw. All movies have them and some of us have accepted this and are able to laugh at them while still enoying the movie. Seems to me that you can't accept that the movie isn't perfect.
Have a laugh at it and don't be so sensitive. It's not like SW is a mentally challenged child that you have to leap to the defense of. George Lucas, on the other hand...
Except whoever wrote it either didn't watch the original enough or is very sexist since after Leia said they were certainly being tracked Han went "Not this ship, sister." The blame lands at his feet, not hers.
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But it doesn't really matter, it was just a flaw.
Y'see, this is my assertion. Stories don't have flaws--they have parts that folk call flaws, but really are just "part of the story."
If it's any consolation, I've gotten irate at folk who mindlessly point out "plot holes" in just about any medium I've seen. Sometimes they're just assumptions for the sake of story (language is usually the biggest here), and other times they're things that expose a deeper story than a casual reading implies. (Novels are full of instances of this second one, btw.)
I know the movie isn't perfect--heck, there are things in the movie that bug me. I just can't stand the busybody "hey, you messed up" crowd, about Star Wars or about anything.
Did I miss, oh, 30 minutes of funny from the .wmv?
Actually the destination doesn't have to be in the direction of the antenna.
A relay satellite could be positioned there, ready to transmit info in yet another direction. They talk about this in the Star Wars books.
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Nice, but:
:). Also, it's a movie, a story, a work of fiction: Peter Pan would have been pretty disappointing if Peter climbed up the drainpipe. And think of the Little Mermaid as the story of a Prince with a crush on a dugong ...
... I definitely agree that if they can make a spaceship that can do all the complex stuff the Death Star does, with just two people at the helm, they *should* be able to come up with hunting. You could argue that hunting is more complex, but they are dealing with lasers, so the shot isn't going to get pulled around by gravity or something ... but see this post about what would have made the Stormtroopers COOL.
:). Then again, maybe it's just the oh-my-dear-god-isn't-Luthien-the-hottest-EVER?! fantasy fanboi talking.
r and wander off to a random corner of the universe because a GHOST TOLD HIM TOO. Not when they're in dire need of friends. But oh well, Lucas knows best :).
> 1. Flying through space would involve a crew, safety checks, and published flight plans in an advances society. So no two man smuggling teams.
Sailing the oceans of the world needed navigatory tools, navigators, doctors and other skilled workers, along with supplies (did you forget your vitamin C?), maps, plans, etc. But you still had small groups of people, either sailing areas which (I think) would be easier to navigate (e.g. the Carribean, British channel, etc.). I think you can extend the same to ships. I might be wrong.
> 2. Effeminate robots and a beeping speech system would never have made it past the "stupidity test" thus no R2 and 3P0. Instead you'd have two very predictable and obedient automatons.
I am typing this from an operating system which LOOKS LIKE FISHER PRICE DESIGNED IT, and was pretty darn un-predictable and dis-obedient for its first two decades of existance. So really, no, products don't have to face stupidity tests in the real world.
> 3. No faster than light travel. So long galactic civilization.
As somebody else pointed out, no faster than light travel *now*. It might happen. Be optimistic
> 4. No sounds in space.
Also, every psycho has a small orchestra which walks around behind him everywhere he goes and plays creepy music every time he kills someone. See point 3.
> 5. Stormtroopers being professional soldiers would take careful aim, set up snipers, etc thus all gun fights end with the good guys dying and quickly.
Hmmmm
> 6. No force, no prophesies, etc. No such thing.
Every time somebody says they don't believe in fairies, somewhere a fairy falls down dead. You remember that, boy-yo
> 7. No one acting out of stupid impulse or emotion, thus Luke never leaves tatooine.
I've wrecked FRIENDSHIPS out of "stupid impulse or emotion", let alone doing a tichy little thing like leave a planet! You could replace this one with "nobody ever leaves friends, family and girl-you-have-a-crush-on-but-is-really-your-siste
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I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
Would bits of former spaceship hitting your hull sound like an explosion?
I don't think so.
An explosion is more of a BOOM, whereas something hitting your hull would be impact (BAM! CLANG!) sounds.
Besides, when the Daedalus blew up the hive ships, it's Asgard shields were at full force, and many dozens of meters from the hull.
Thus, the debris couldn't get to the hull in the 1st place.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
"...Leia, tell me about your mother... your real mother..."
We have some lovely parting gifts though...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound
The atmosphere at sea-level (and presumably also in the [miniscule, compared to the volume of space] spaceship) is 14.7 psi. There are enough molecules in a cubic meter for it to be considered an elastic material
While the oxygen is being vented into space, there will be (lots of!) noise, but once it's in the never-ending expanse of space, the psi will drop so low that the molecules won't be in close enough proximity to pass on their vibrations.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Actually, have a look at some of the early drafts of the script, you can see how heavily based on the Hidden Fortress it was. Sure, after it had been kicking around in his brain for 3 years, it became a very different story, but just as clearly it owes a lot to Kurosawa. The fight between Vader and Obi Wan, with Stormtroopers gathered around, is straight out of Hidden Fortress for example, as are the characters of C-3PO and R2-D2. Leia is princess of Alderaan, which is destroyed, making her the last surviving leader of her "clan," just like in HF.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
I bet there's like fifty, no, six hundred and ninety-one of you guys just waiting to mock the newbies like me...
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Tolkien went back and changed the hobbit because it wouldn't fit with Lord of the Rings if he didn't. Writers aren't perfect, and what they put down on paper isn't sacred.
I remember in Don Quixote, his horse gets stolen, then in the next chapter he has the horse again then a few paragraphs later he's complaining about having to walk because a thief stole his horse. How the hell do you explain that, other than just by saying "Cervantes fucked up"?
So are you saying that a woman has to automatically accept everything that a man says?
well if stories don't have flaws, then what's your explanation for things like director's cuts, special editions and reduxes of movies?
Why does a musician not always play a song the exact same way?
I remember in Don Quixote, his horse gets stolen, then in the next chapter he has the horse again then a few paragraphs later he's complaining about having to walk because a thief stole his horse. How the hell do you explain that, other than just by saying "Cervantes fucked up"?
Well, not having read the story that closely, I'd hazard (1) it's a case of Don being rather addle-brained -- could his "horse" have only been in his mind? or (2) a translation error.
If I can't find a plausible explanation for a story in about an hour of thinking about it--which is a fairly long time to spend, btw -- then I'd call it a "mistake" or an "error." Not a "flaw."
What's the difference? Make-up jumping from one side to the next on a movie is a mistake. Leia & co not switching ships is what folk would call "flaws."
mistakes, flaws, whatever. Either way if you want to make a joke about it I think its fair game.
Well, yes. They have the right to joke about anything and everything, and just about any joke that's funny and doesn't cross into sociopathy -- including every part of Star Wars, btw -- is fine.
;)
I also have the right to say "that's dumb" and walk away, as publicly as I care to.
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General Order 69
The Emperor orders the elimination of all annoying Star Wars characters.
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Darth Vader tries online dating
After he lost Padme, watch how Darth Vader searched for love, using online dating to get matched with female tuscan raiders, stormtroopers, and other Imperial Women from Imperialdate.com.
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Clone Trooper Girlfriends
Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda discover that the Clone Troopers need some backup.
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
All a movie has to do to be a good movie is hold your attention and entertain for the duration it's on the screen.
For all the bitching about Star Wars around here, you might almost forget that Star Wars has held many people's interest for three decades. Perhaps we forget all the movies we've been crapped out of the Hollywood bowels over the years.
When it comes to keeping my attention, many movies these days have their hands full competing with a tub of popcorn.
Because the storyteller doesn't always get to tell the story the way he wants to tell it. Just look at, for instance, Close Encounters of the Third Kind (with the exception of the going into the spaceship bit). There were big bits that Spielberg had to take out because of running time or because the studio didn't want it. Also look at Star Trek II's Director's Cut, or the Directors Cut of ST:TMP (which has alot of effects shots done that the director wanted to do, but just didn't have the time when the movie was first made). While sometimes the Studio's preferred version of the film has it's own merits over the director's vision (for instance, the beginning of "Pitch Black"), sometimes it doesn't (compare and contrast the Director's Cuts of "Chronicles of Riddick" and "Daredevil").
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He did screw up the continuity. The reason Leia was a princess had nothing to do with her birth mother, it had to do with the fact that she was the adopted daughter of the royal family of Alderaan. The fact that she was adopted was a secret to all but the Jedi and her step father and mother. Nobody else had a clue where she came from.
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Looking through those early scripts, I'm very, very surprised that Star Wars eventually turned-out to be a good movie.
Perhaps this is really a case where the notes from the studio, and test audiences, can do good things for a movie.
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Having encountered an actual flat earther in todays day and age (Well about 20 years ago) I can say you are wrong and some people do actually say that.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
And monitoring the relays doesn't work because...?
There: Something at a specific location.
Their: Owned by someone.
Please make sure your english compiles.
It seems like your seams are coming undone, Miss Portman.
There: Something at a specific location.
Their: Owned by someone.
Please make sure your english compiles.