Well, it seems to lead to oppression. I mean, the government locked up thousands of people post-9/11, and hate crimes went up, and racism rose to some of the mainstream.
but what PART of Indonesia? East Timor? Was she in an area of violence? You are still generalizing against 200 Million Muslims there. You are still referring to extremists. Every scholar out there and all the Muslim groups will condemn the burning of a church, its specificlly mentioned in Islam as a sin to do that. Rape is also a sin, no arguement. And "fundamentalists" or "extremists" don't usually go groping women of any sort. Those are all horrible, and they make me sick to hear, but they don't represent all Muslims. At worst, it represents Indonesians, I don't see how you can equate their actions with Muslims in Bangladesh or Senegal.
You obviously haven't been watching Al-Jazeera then. They do have pro-American views on their cross-fire type shows, and they did seem to push for covering both sides of a story, last I saw it. They have bashed every Arab and Muslim government that I know of, how can you say they only blame foreigners?
Let me tell you, every one of those terrorist attacks has been condemned. They are most certainly not silent. Perhaps you're not listening on the right channel. Why do you assume they are silent? I don't accuse the Vatican of being silent when the abortion clinics were bombed, but I didnt hear them on CNN.
Muslims aren't the hatemongers you make them out to be. Of course the moderates are pressing for change. Have you checked any books in the religion section of the bookstore? There are dozens by Muslim authors pushing for moderation and speaking out. Al-Azhar, the most prestigious university of Sunni Islam, put out rulings condemning terrorism, suicide bombing, forced dress, etc. These aren't new! Terrorism has been condemned for the last 1400 years, go check Islamic sources, scholarly opinions, and books by jurists dating back centuries. Don't believe me? Go read what Salahuddin wrote when he was repelling the Crusaders.
You're listening in the wrong places, man. Go look up CAIR and read their dozens of condemnations of every terrorist act I've heard of in the last 2 years. I didn't even know that most of them occurred until I heard their condemnation.
I suppose European students studying American history would probably go to the US. The US does have a very large portion of foreign college students. Look at it another way, how much history of the UK does Germany offer as a curriculum? (Not a very apt comparison, I expect more than US history)
I don't see it as an excuse for Muslims to become offended. The Saudi government, not the people, lodged a complaint. I imagine they were concerned it wasn't Politically correct. I guess some Muslims would be concerned, as it makes them look intolerant if muslims in the game were demolishing churches, which wasn't all that common in real life.
Yeah, someone mentioned the Hagia Sophia, but that's more of an exception than the rule. Churches have existed in the middle east for centuries, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Palestine, etc. Besides, mosques were converted to churches by the crusaders and Spanish Inquisition.
Oh come on, what Muslims do YOU know? Maybe the ones you know aren't very religious or educated. No, your single anecdote is Not sufficient proof.
Muslims as a majority are pretty moderate. Not much dogma or hatred, really. Iraqis as a whole didnt really want Islamic law ruling their country, and Indonesia consistenly votes against it in their polls. What Muslims are you talking to?
Compare it this way, what reaction do you get when you ask Jews about history/religion/arabs/palestine?
No no no, you have to have equivalent comparisons. How many Iraqis can point to America on the map? or how many Americans can point to Baghdad on the map? Don't make one side have to answer a tougher question than the other.
And a number of mosques and synagogues were converted to churches when the Christian crusaders invaded. And a major mosque in Ayodhya was recently levelled by a mob in India, in an effort to turn the site into a Hindu temple. Your point?
Of course, you can still bring 2 cigarette lighters and 4 books of matches on planes. Mix them together and you could blow out a window or something on an airplane. Dangerous stuff, but the government hasn't cracked down. Idiots.
WHY would Iraq support Al Qaeda in any form? Al Qaeda wants to overthrow Saddam and install a religious government. The Ba'ath party jailed and executed plenty of religious leaders, they even killed people who went to the mosque too often, just to be sure no overthrow was brewing. CNN reported in an Osama Bin Laden tape that he referred to Saddam as an "infidel." (Not an Islamic word, btw, but I imagine the arabic word wasnt much nicer) Memos uncovered by the US military show that Saddam told his leutinents not to trust any foreign fighters who came in to defend Iraq, including Al Qaeda. It's inconceivable that they'd support one another, they both wanted the other dead in pursuit of their goals.
Two US soldiers suffered slight reactions to the gas. This was probably just an old 1980s shell of the sort used against the Kurds and Iranians, and nothing suggests many of these remain or are still operative. The insurgents who used it may not even have known what it was. (It was not marked). A couple left-over stray such shells does not prove that there were WMD in Iraq in any signifcant sense. No doubt it will set off a frenzy among the latter-day Juan Ponce de Leones looking vainly for the Fountain of WMDs. It is virtually a non-story.
Venezuela is not an Islamic country, and is also in the West. How come Al Qaeda hasn't declared war on them? Al Qaeda has only said that they're going after countries that interfere with Muslim affairs. According to them, US and Israel fit that description, as well as their allies who also send troops to help in the destruction.
A google search doesn't turn up much on Al Qaeda saying anything at all about Canada. They mentioned Spain, but no Canada. Please show me evidence of one Islamic terrorist who hates Canada, because I'm at the moment skeptical.
I don't see Al Qaeda mentioning Canada as an enemy. Why? Because Canada hasn't done anything harmful to Muslims. They haven't sent troops into Iraq, they haven't given Billions in weapons to Israel, they haven't propped up dictators like Saddam Hussein. Muslims love Canada.
Muslims aren't afraid of pigs, they're just not allowed to eat it, its not halal (the equivalent of kosher). You could touch a pig, but you'd have to wash your hands and make ablution before you pray. Even so, there's no sin on you if you involuntarily come into contact with or eat pork. Not your choice, so not your sin.
Pork isn't going to send you to hell if you didn't do it on purpose. All these stories about burying muslims in pig fat won't do anything, if they're dead, their soul isn't in their body, so it's not going to do anything.
There is nothing in Islam that says women can't use computers. Islam is quite the opposite, women are strongly encouraged to read.
Muslims shouldn't say Merry Christmas to Christians, becaue Muslims don't celebrate Christmas. It's the equivalent for the rest, they shouldn't wish Hindus happy Diwali day either.
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Well, it seems to lead to oppression. I mean, the government locked up thousands of people post-9/11, and hate crimes went up, and racism rose to some of the mainstream.
Missile defense won't ever work. Even if they had such a system, then people could just hijack airliners. It's just a black hole for money.
but what PART of Indonesia? East Timor? Was she in an area of violence? You are still generalizing against 200 Million Muslims there. You are still referring to extremists. Every scholar out there and all the Muslim groups will condemn the burning of a church, its specificlly mentioned in Islam as a sin to do that. Rape is also a sin, no arguement. And "fundamentalists" or "extremists" don't usually go groping women of any sort. Those are all horrible, and they make me sick to hear, but they don't represent all Muslims. At worst, it represents Indonesians, I don't see how you can equate their actions with Muslims in Bangladesh or Senegal.
You obviously haven't been watching Al-Jazeera then. They do have pro-American views on their cross-fire type shows, and they did seem to push for covering both sides of a story, last I saw it. They have bashed every Arab and Muslim government that I know of, how can you say they only blame foreigners?
Let me tell you, every one of those terrorist attacks has been condemned. They are most certainly not silent. Perhaps you're not listening on the right channel. Why do you assume they are silent? I don't accuse the Vatican of being silent when the abortion clinics were bombed, but I didnt hear them on CNN.
Muslims aren't the hatemongers you make them out to be. Of course the moderates are pressing for change. Have you checked any books in the religion section of the bookstore? There are dozens by Muslim authors pushing for moderation and speaking out. Al-Azhar, the most prestigious university of Sunni Islam, put out rulings condemning terrorism, suicide bombing, forced dress, etc. These aren't new! Terrorism has been condemned for the last 1400 years, go check Islamic sources, scholarly opinions, and books by jurists dating back centuries. Don't believe me? Go read what Salahuddin wrote when he was repelling the Crusaders.
You're listening in the wrong places, man. Go look up CAIR and read their dozens of condemnations of every terrorist act I've heard of in the last 2 years. I didn't even know that most of them occurred until I heard their condemnation.
I suppose European students studying American history would probably go to the US. The US does have a very large portion of foreign college students. Look at it another way, how much history of the UK does Germany offer as a curriculum? (Not a very apt comparison, I expect more than US history)
What front page did Moore allegedly fabricate?
I don't see it as an excuse for Muslims to become offended. The Saudi government, not the people, lodged a complaint. I imagine they were concerned it wasn't Politically correct. I guess some Muslims would be concerned, as it makes them look intolerant if muslims in the game were demolishing churches, which wasn't all that common in real life.
Yeah, someone mentioned the Hagia Sophia, but that's more of an exception than the rule. Churches have existed in the middle east for centuries, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Palestine, etc. Besides, mosques were converted to churches by the crusaders and Spanish Inquisition.
Oh come on, what Muslims do YOU know? Maybe the ones you know aren't very religious or educated. No, your single anecdote is Not sufficient proof.
Muslims as a majority are pretty moderate. Not much dogma or hatred, really. Iraqis as a whole didnt really want Islamic law ruling their country, and Indonesia consistenly votes against it in their polls. What Muslims are you talking to?
Compare it this way, what reaction do you get when you ask Jews about history/religion/arabs/palestine?
I thought the Vatican officially recognizing the mainland China first was what set it in motion, with other countries following suit.
I think the point was that the Saudis were trying to be Politically Correct.
No no no, you have to have equivalent comparisons. How many Iraqis can point to America on the map? or how many Americans can point to Baghdad on the map? Don't make one side have to answer a tougher question than the other.
No, you're hearing this from the most vocal of African-american pundits. I think the majority seem sorta indifferent about the topic.
And a number of mosques and synagogues were converted to churches when the Christian crusaders invaded. And a major mosque in Ayodhya was recently levelled by a mob in India, in an effort to turn the site into a Hindu temple. Your point?
Of course, you can still bring 2 cigarette lighters and 4 books of matches on planes. Mix them together and you could blow out a window or something on an airplane. Dangerous stuff, but the government hasn't cracked down. Idiots.
WHY would Iraq support Al Qaeda in any form? Al Qaeda wants to overthrow Saddam and install a religious government. The Ba'ath party jailed and executed plenty of religious leaders, they even killed people who went to the mosque too often, just to be sure no overthrow was brewing. CNN reported in an Osama Bin Laden tape that he referred to Saddam as an "infidel." (Not an Islamic word, btw, but I imagine the arabic word wasnt much nicer) Memos uncovered by the US military show that Saddam told his leutinents not to trust any foreign fighters who came in to defend Iraq, including Al Qaeda. It's inconceivable that they'd support one another, they both wanted the other dead in pursuit of their goals.
The point he's making is that there are thousands of Westerners living in Saudi Arabia, and one died. It's not a daily occurrance.
yeah, but the source ir World Net Daily, a rag. I wouldn't trust anything they say.
http://english.aljazeera.net
It looks like the parent link is a copycat site, like aljazeerah.info
Venezuela is not an Islamic country, and is also in the West. How come Al Qaeda hasn't declared war on them? Al Qaeda has only said that they're going after countries that interfere with Muslim affairs. According to them, US and Israel fit that description, as well as their allies who also send troops to help in the destruction.
A google search doesn't turn up much on Al Qaeda saying anything at all about Canada. They mentioned Spain, but no Canada. Please show me evidence of one Islamic terrorist who hates Canada, because I'm at the moment skeptical.
Does Canada really have a terrorist problem?
I don't see Al Qaeda mentioning Canada as an enemy. Why? Because Canada hasn't done anything harmful to Muslims. They haven't sent troops into Iraq, they haven't given Billions in weapons to Israel, they haven't propped up dictators like Saddam Hussein. Muslims love Canada.
Nope, that's not going to do anything.
Muslims aren't afraid of pigs, they're just not allowed to eat it, its not halal (the equivalent of kosher). You could touch a pig, but you'd have to wash your hands and make ablution before you pray. Even so, there's no sin on you if you involuntarily come into contact with or eat pork. Not your choice, so not your sin.
Pork isn't going to send you to hell if you didn't do it on purpose. All these stories about burying muslims in pig fat won't do anything, if they're dead, their soul isn't in their body, so it's not going to do anything.
Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw the preview.
Funny, people on /. said that Iraq had no ties to 9/11 or Al Qaeda. They kept pointing how the Saudi Arabian royalty seemed involved.
It would generate a different response if the US went in to Saudi Arabia. Bad idea to invade, good idea to work nonviolently for change.
There is nothing in Islam that says women can't use computers. Islam is quite the opposite, women are strongly encouraged to read.
Muslims shouldn't say Merry Christmas to Christians, becaue Muslims don't celebrate Christmas. It's the equivalent for the rest, they shouldn't wish Hindus happy Diwali day either.