This is a more reasonable proposition, though I would argue with the notion that the location of settings in windows is intuitive. Otherwise, why did they move them around from win95->nt4.0->win98 -> win2k - > XP? Very often a fix requires a registry hack many layers deep. My experience with RH starts pretty recently: due to a patch I either applied or failed to apply Win98 could not find "an appropriate video codec" to play video. I located the file it was asking for and put it where it belonged in the file system, no fix. I downloaded a 3rd party video player - no fix. The only way out of a bullshit situation like that, because video play is tied to IE is tied to the OS in an incestuous manner, is to reinstall the OS. I did, and the OS was Redhat 8.0, which played the video in question without requiring anything of me but logging on. Windows does not really demonstrate fit and finish. The paint job is o.k., but the plumbing, electrical and structural bits are an unmaintainable mess. You just don't see installing an app or applying a patch breaking other, unrelated things in the *nix world. Not nearly to the same degree. There's no equivalent of "IE ain't done until Netscape won't run!"
In other words, are you astroturfing or spontaniously full of shit?
RH 8 works out of the box on my laptop. Because I'm anal, I have changed how it works out of the box, but it would have worked for "grandma" just fine. And she would have been immune to the vast pantheon of IE/outlook viri and worms.
I used to read scripts for a fairly marginal production company (Remember "Stone Cold"?) There's more interesting ideas in this post than I ran across in a year.
I wasn't that suave! I also wasn't interested enough to try for the booth babe headhuntresses/marketroids - success struck me as too close to a love doll experience. Yuck! I just can't see falling in love, or even lust, with people who use "partner" as a verb.
There was a contract tester (like me) I courted - she favored wearing waffle-knit thermal tops and that just kills me! Alas, I think she wanted someone a little more into her flavor of religious experience./browses for waffle-knit thermal tops for wife
I tested at MS for 6 mos before I got a real job. For the most part, everyone there had the blank, affectless vibe of Stepford Wives. There were a number of heavy folks, but mostly it was empty folks- basically sociopaths. Even the HR boothbabe equivalents they hired didn't seem to have any blood in their veins, and I suspect they were no more anatomically correct than Barbie.
I think they both have something to contribute. And let's face it, the personality types that seem to track with kernel hackers are generally stamped: "Does not play well with others" which forked BSD. On top of that, debugging might scale, but I suspect programming does not. There might not be enough scope in one project to contain the contributions of all the folks interested in free kernel stuff who can really do the work. Dunno.
There's a real difference in attitude, as shown in the different provisions of the licensing. BSD licensers are not concerned when someone takes their code and puts it in proprietary software, as MS did with tcp/ip code. GPL licensers do care that their work is not used by freeloaders/cherry pickers/parasites.
There's a general consensus that it's an excellent server, especially for anything in a DMZ/outside firewall. A minority use it for workstation. It'd be a pretty secure workstation, though. I've not taken it that far.
The floppy based install is pretty easy. If you have a windows nt/2000 box, get ntrw.exe and (probably) floppy32.fs. run command ntrw.exe floppy32.fs to create a boot floppy. If you have a weird device, you may need a different.fs file, read the docs...
It does put you in a disk partition situation which can freak people out. For your first experiment on a disk with no data you care about, you can tell it to use the whole disk for obsd, and go with two partitions. (many would advise separate partitions for/tmp,/var,/home, but this is a simple example) The first partition is always / (at least, I can't make the installer do anything else- correct me...) and the next is the swap partition. Something like 2*RAM should do for swap (again...correct me if I'm wrong)
If you can set up an ftp server, you might want to get the ~120MB (if using X, about half that if not) and put it on a local ftp server. I have found the mirrors pretty adequate, even right after a new release.
Post an obfuscated email and I'll send you a cheat-sheet, with how to do common things that are too easy for the gurus to think of supplying and too hard for a novice like me to figure out. Mostly network stuff.
"Shared source" and its variants is worse than open source and worse than closed source. Both open and closed source have their points (though I find the open source record to be much better, and the model more intuitively convincing), but shared source is not restricted enough, which means that all the bad people will get to pour through it. Few of the white hats will get it, and none of them can fix it. Either open it, or (distant second choice) keep it closed and pretend there's a lid on it. Don't hang your dirty laundry in public and refuse to let anyone else wash it!!!
That's one of my personal freakouts: I mod ANYBODY down who uses a leading-initial name. I also use the first initial in conversation. "Hi, J. How are you?" If you want to use the first name, use it. If you want to go by your middle name, fine (unless I can pin an apt nym on your hairy arse). Initial + middle name == pretentious horseshit.
Also - whassup with middle initial users? I used to tweak a girlfriend by refering to brit actor Richard Grant without his middle name (E). I don't care what author Brett Ellis' middle name is. Piss off!
Astroturfers regularly assert that open source projects are less secure because there's security in obscurity. A lot of people would call that bullshit, but that's the argument.
What are they going to say when it's not just industrial spies, but a whopping big subcontinent that can find holes to exploit by code review? And we still can't patch it ourselves?
Ugh - frozen software, whose every flaw is there for the reader.
The only plus I see here is that only very obfuscated MS trojans will surivive.
We had an interesting experience with Qwest. They have a guy whose job it is to lease capacity in their underground conduits and vaults. We own a conduit up to the property line, Qwest owns it across the property line, where it goes under a street and to a light pole.
The guy said Qwest no longer leases space in their conduit. This means that A) we were talking to Wally from Dilbert - his job is now to tell people his company doesn't do what he's in charge of doing and B) we are going to chop the condiut close to the property line and put in our own to the light pole. Qwest is now stuck with an orphan conduit rather than leasing space in it to the only conceivable customer - us. They get no money.
The reason is they want to be our ISP, wheras we can go to one of the original research universities on the Arpanet for an essentially direct, backbone connection.
There's a compelling proposition - sign up for an overpriced, underserviced connection that will add paperwork (another vendor relationship) with one of the worst vendors in the business, versus a direct connect. Hmmm. I'll get back to you.
Verizon paid for a cell tower on our campus rather than even consider negotiating with Qwest, because they are such a rotten company to deal with.
Put out a sign saying "This house has a valuable collection of firearms" and see how you do. Some burglars are fairly proficient. If you aren't home (and they'll know), they don't have to worry about being shot, and they know they'll be able to sell your guns. They are worth more, and easier to carry, than a t.v.
I got mugged. The shithead had the drop on me, and had I been carrying, he'd have had another gun to show for his night's work.
So...in what universe are inhabitants willing/able to fund roads at a faster rate than they buy cars? Not this one.
Not to mention: sheer lack of space. Lanes of freeway fill as fast as they are built. There is some level of misery that's more or less a commuting constant: more capacity? live farther away and use it up.
I like your website, but you are completely wrong here. We would all be serfs owned by a Rockefeller if it weren't for antitrust. MS dominated the desktop based on superior marketing. It used its dominance to move into servers. Anybody seriously think MS had a technical advantage over Novell or any of the Unixes? Only a wintroll would say as much. But a half-assed windows tech can manage a windows server about as well as a desktop machine. So it grew. Maybe I'm a luddite, but I don't think a server needs (or should have) a GUI, let alone multimedia. MS used its dominance of the desktop to kill off a shift to web-based computing. Now instead of using the web to free users from pc's, MS was able to pervert and invert the move and the web is now harnessed to pc's. It's as if internal combustion engines have been installed on wagons.
I think you confuse economies of scale (which drive down unit cost, to a point) with network effect. There was an astroturf economist who, based on astroturf product reviews, claimed that MS products were better than their competitors at the time they took over the market. Never mind that the reviews were generally atrocious journalism, the reason Office took over was because of clever bundling. The reason IE took over was because you couldn't get a machine without it, but had to do something extra to get Netscape. Once you start to lose momentum vs. MS, the rest of the world smells blood and the downturn accelerates. If everyone else uses it, you sort of have to as well.
Once you have the power to own everything that can generate the power to own things, it's over. Markets are great. Monopolies are not markets. Libertarians take note! And MS wasn't just a Baby Huey, good-naturedly and inadvertantly squashing competitors. It wasn't just big, it was evil. MS is a sleazy, sociopathic entity. It cheats, it lies, it extorts, it bullies, it bribes.
Gotta agree with you on Hyperion. Endymion/Rise of had strong structure - I cared about what happened, but some of the execution and detail work left me a little tired. The details of the first 2 books just absolutely rocked my universe.
I suspect the latter; Tolkien had something of a reactionary bent. His books support a belief in a natural aristocracy, rather than meritocracy. His notion of bloodlines is inconsistent with hybrid vigor. ("The race of men has declined." "The blood of Numinor has grown thin.")
Also, living in WWII Britain, the men held the belief that there were 3 things wrong with yanks: overpaid, oversexed, and over here. A conservative might be more inclined to believe this than otherwise.
Been to redmond lately? It already IS a deep, smoldering crater. Another Bellevue, alas. It used to be something more than a mall and the belly of the beast.
Well, look at which party is in favor of regulating the food industry in the interest of consumer safety. That would be the Democrats. The Republicans have consistently rolled back regulations and defunded the relevant agencies. Clinton defended the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts from Republican assaults, assaults which W is preparing to renew. Remember, W instituted a voluntary emissions reduction program for power plants in Texas, which pretty much said, "Pollute all you want." And they did. He is also pushing a voluntary embezzlement reduction program for officers of publicly held companies. Republicans passed a tax cut (with gutless Democrat complicity) whose benefits are wildly titled toward the rich. Workplace safety - Republicans favor employers over employees. The House Republican leader just stuck an exemption for Eli Lilly for lawsuits related to vaccines into the latest constitution-shredding security bill. That serves nobody's interests except Eli Lilly.
The problem with the democrat rhetoric is that it is true.
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The redhat boxes were different- they occupy a different niche. The oBSD boxes remain, and my (attempted) point about the redhat ones is that they are harder to patch, or at least it's harder to be confident in the patch level, because the updated openssh rpm has an obsolete version designation.
I think openbsd is wonderful and I buy their swag to support them. I've offered to mirror, but I think they might have enough.
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I noticed connection attempts from Korea just after the announcement and decided it was time to nuke the the boxes from orbit. Not much point in having an O-BSD box you are only mostly sure of.
I had some angst with RedHat boxes, though. The update mechanism didn't change the reported version number of OpenSSH. Annoying.
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"So if you board has these capacators, I'd keep an eye on them."
Uh, I'd wear eye protection if you do.
Sorry - that was lame.
This is a more reasonable proposition, though I would argue with the notion that the location of settings in windows is intuitive. Otherwise, why did they move them around from win95->nt4.0->win98 -> win2k - > XP? Very often a fix requires a registry hack many layers deep. My experience with RH starts pretty recently: due to a patch I either applied or failed to apply Win98 could not find "an appropriate video codec" to play video. I located the file it was asking for and put it where it belonged in the file system, no fix. I downloaded a 3rd party video player - no fix. The only way out of a bullshit situation like that, because video play is tied to IE is tied to the OS in an incestuous manner, is to reinstall the OS. I did, and the OS was Redhat 8.0, which played the video in question without requiring anything of me but logging on. Windows does not really demonstrate fit and finish. The paint job is o.k., but the plumbing, electrical and structural bits are an unmaintainable mess. You just don't see installing an app or applying a patch breaking other, unrelated things in the *nix world. Not nearly to the same degree. There's no equivalent of "IE ain't done until Netscape won't run!"
Are you an amateur troll, or a pro?
In other words, are you astroturfing or spontaniously full of shit?
RH 8 works out of the box on my laptop. Because I'm anal, I have changed how it works out of the box, but it would have worked for "grandma" just fine. And she would have been immune to the vast pantheon of IE/outlook viri and worms.
I used to read scripts for a fairly marginal production company (Remember "Stone Cold"?) There's more interesting ideas in this post than I ran across in a year.
Any ambitions to write screenplays?
I wasn't that suave! I also wasn't interested enough to try for the booth babe headhuntresses/marketroids - success struck me as too close to a love doll experience. Yuck! I just can't see falling in love, or even lust, with people who use "partner" as a verb.
/browses for waffle-knit thermal tops for wife
There was a contract tester (like me) I courted - she favored wearing waffle-knit thermal tops and that just kills me! Alas, I think she wanted someone a little more into her flavor of religious experience.
I tested at MS for 6 mos before I got a real job. For the most part, everyone there had the blank, affectless vibe of Stepford Wives. There were a number of heavy folks, but mostly it was empty folks- basically sociopaths. Even the HR boothbabe equivalents they hired didn't seem to have any blood in their veins, and I suspect they were no more anatomically correct than Barbie.
Profoundly unattractive.
I think they both have something to contribute. And let's face it, the personality types that seem to track with kernel hackers are generally stamped: "Does not play well with others" which forked BSD. On top of that, debugging might scale, but I suspect programming does not. There might not be enough scope in one project to contain the contributions of all the folks interested in free kernel stuff who can really do the work. Dunno.
There's a real difference in attitude, as shown in the different provisions of the licensing. BSD licensers are not concerned when someone takes their code and puts it in proprietary software, as MS did with tcp/ip code. GPL licensers do care that their work is not used by freeloaders/cherry pickers/parasites.
There's a general consensus that it's an excellent server, especially for anything in a DMZ/outside firewall. A minority use it for workstation. It'd be a pretty secure workstation, though. I've not taken it that far.
We use p200's with 64 mb ram for dns and web, no problems. We don't get a lot of traffic, true. But we're using something like .5% proc.
The floppy based install is pretty easy. If you have a windows nt/2000 box, get ntrw.exe and (probably) floppy32.fs. run command ntrw.exe floppy32.fs to create a boot floppy. If you have a weird device, you may need a different .fs file, read the docs...
/tmp, /var, /home, but this is a simple example) The first partition is always / (at least, I can't make the installer do anything else- correct me...) and the next is the swap partition. Something like 2*RAM should do for swap (again...correct me if I'm wrong)
It does put you in a disk partition situation which can freak people out. For your first experiment on a disk with no data you care about, you can tell it to use the whole disk for obsd, and go with two partitions. (many would advise separate partitions for
If you can set up an ftp server, you might want to get the ~120MB (if using X, about half that if not) and put it on a local ftp server. I have found the mirrors pretty adequate, even right after a new release.
Post an obfuscated email and I'll send you a cheat-sheet, with how to do common things that are too easy for the gurus to think of supplying and too hard for a novice like me to figure out. Mostly network stuff.
I want it now, but I'd whine if it weren't fully tested. Man, to think I'm doing the "gotta go pee" dance over something like this. I need a life.
We have a lot of single-purpose OBSD boxen here. I like them a lot. Go, team, go!
"Shared source" and its variants is worse than open source and worse than closed source. Both open and closed source have their points (though I find the open source record to be much better, and the model more intuitively convincing), but shared source is not restricted enough, which means that all the bad people will get to pour through it. Few of the white hats will get it, and none of them can fix it. Either open it, or (distant second choice) keep it closed and pretend there's a lid on it. Don't hang your dirty laundry in public and refuse to let anyone else wash it!!!
That's one of my personal freakouts: I mod ANYBODY down who uses a leading-initial name. I also use the first initial in conversation. "Hi, J. How are you?" If you want to use the first name, use it. If you want to go by your middle name, fine (unless I can pin an apt nym on your hairy arse). Initial + middle name == pretentious horseshit.
Also - whassup with middle initial users? I used to tweak a girlfriend by refering to brit actor Richard Grant without his middle name (E). I don't care what author Brett Ellis' middle name is. Piss off!
Astroturfers regularly assert that open source projects are less secure because there's security in obscurity. A lot of people would call that bullshit, but that's the argument.
What are they going to say when it's not just industrial spies, but a whopping big subcontinent that can find holes to exploit by code review? And we still can't patch it ourselves?
Ugh - frozen software, whose every flaw is there for the reader.
The only plus I see here is that only very obfuscated MS trojans will surivive.
We had an interesting experience with Qwest. They have a guy whose job it is to lease capacity in their underground conduits and vaults. We own a conduit up to the property line, Qwest owns it across the property line, where it goes under a street and to a light pole.
The guy said Qwest no longer leases space in their conduit. This means that A) we were talking to Wally from Dilbert - his job is now to tell people his company doesn't do what he's in charge of doing and B) we are going to chop the condiut close to the property line and put in our own to the light pole. Qwest is now stuck with an orphan conduit rather than leasing space in it to the only conceivable customer - us. They get no money.
The reason is they want to be our ISP, wheras we can go to one of the original research universities on the Arpanet for an essentially direct, backbone connection.
There's a compelling proposition - sign up for an overpriced, underserviced connection that will add paperwork (another vendor relationship) with one of the worst vendors in the business, versus a direct connect. Hmmm. I'll get back to you.
Verizon paid for a cell tower on our campus rather than even consider negotiating with Qwest, because they are such a rotten company to deal with.
Put out a sign saying "This house has a valuable collection of firearms" and see how you do. Some burglars are fairly proficient. If you aren't home (and they'll know), they don't have to worry about being shot, and they know they'll be able to sell your guns. They are worth more, and easier to carry, than a t.v.
I got mugged. The shithead had the drop on me, and had I been carrying, he'd have had another gun to show for his night's work.
why doesn't anything happen when little kids run around yelling, "Bang! Bang!"
I think Dennis Miller said that, but I'm not sure.
So...in what universe are inhabitants willing/able to fund roads at a faster rate than they buy cars? Not this one.
Not to mention: sheer lack of space. Lanes of freeway fill as fast as they are built. There is some level of misery that's more or less a commuting constant: more capacity? live farther away and use it up.
Building roads is no cure for congestion. Deal.
I like your website, but you are completely wrong here. We would all be serfs owned by a Rockefeller if it weren't for antitrust. MS dominated the desktop based on superior marketing. It used its dominance to move into servers. Anybody seriously think MS had a technical advantage over Novell or any of the Unixes? Only a wintroll would say as much. But a half-assed windows tech can manage a windows server about as well as a desktop machine. So it grew. Maybe I'm a luddite, but I don't think a server needs (or should have) a GUI, let alone multimedia. MS used its dominance of the desktop to kill off a shift to web-based computing. Now instead of using the web to free users from pc's, MS was able to pervert and invert the move and the web is now harnessed to pc's. It's as if internal combustion engines have been installed on wagons.
I think you confuse economies of scale (which drive down unit cost, to a point) with network effect. There was an astroturf economist who, based on astroturf product reviews, claimed that MS products were better than their competitors at the time they took over the market. Never mind that the reviews were generally atrocious journalism, the reason Office took over was because of clever bundling. The reason IE took over was because you couldn't get a machine without it, but had to do something extra to get Netscape. Once you start to lose momentum vs. MS, the rest of the world smells blood and the downturn accelerates. If everyone else uses it, you sort of have to as well.
Once you have the power to own everything that can generate the power to own things, it's over. Markets are great. Monopolies are not markets. Libertarians take note! And MS wasn't just a Baby Huey, good-naturedly and inadvertantly squashing competitors. It wasn't just big, it was evil. MS is a sleazy, sociopathic entity. It cheats, it lies, it extorts, it bullies, it bribes.
Gotta agree with you on Hyperion. Endymion/Rise of had strong structure - I cared about what happened, but some of the execution and detail work left me a little tired. The details of the first 2 books just absolutely rocked my universe.
I suspect the latter; Tolkien had something of a reactionary bent. His books support a belief in a natural aristocracy, rather than meritocracy. His notion of bloodlines is inconsistent with hybrid vigor. ("The race of men has declined." "The blood of Numinor has grown thin.")
Also, living in WWII Britain, the men held the belief that there were 3 things wrong with yanks: overpaid, oversexed, and over here. A conservative might be more inclined to believe this than otherwise.
I love the books. I don't buy the ideology.
Been to redmond lately? It already IS a deep, smoldering crater. Another Bellevue, alas. It used to be something more than a mall and the belly of the beast.
Well, look at which party is in favor of regulating the food industry in the interest of consumer safety. That would be the Democrats. The Republicans have consistently rolled back regulations and defunded the relevant agencies. Clinton defended the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts from Republican assaults, assaults which W is preparing to renew. Remember, W instituted a voluntary emissions reduction program for power plants in Texas, which pretty much said, "Pollute all you want." And they did. He is also pushing a voluntary embezzlement reduction program for officers of publicly held companies. Republicans passed a tax cut (with gutless Democrat complicity) whose benefits are wildly titled toward the rich. Workplace safety - Republicans favor employers over employees. The House Republican leader just stuck an exemption for Eli Lilly for lawsuits related to vaccines into the latest constitution-shredding security bill. That serves nobody's interests except Eli Lilly.
The problem with the democrat rhetoric is that it is true.
The redhat boxes were different- they occupy a different niche. The oBSD boxes remain, and my (attempted) point about the redhat ones is that they are harder to patch, or at least it's harder to be confident in the patch level, because the updated openssh rpm has an obsolete version designation.
I think openbsd is wonderful and I buy their swag to support them. I've offered to mirror, but I think they might have enough.
I noticed connection attempts from Korea just after the announcement and decided it was time to nuke the the boxes from orbit. Not much point in having an O-BSD box you are only mostly sure of.
I had some angst with RedHat boxes, though. The update mechanism didn't change the reported version number of OpenSSH. Annoying.