You are seriously asserting that explosions 20 to 30 floors below the collapsing region
I don't see any explosions from 20-30 floors below. More like 2-3.
Also, you asked above, what happened to the plane. That's why I directed you to this specific video; it addresses those questions. Watch, then comment, please.
Your specific video still doesn't play. Summarize.
Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.
Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."
Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."
Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."
I found another site with a video about the "outgassings" and I still think you're full of it. Looks to me like debris being blown out windows from the force of the floors above collapsing.
Also, it probably needs to be pointed out that when a building is brought down with explosives, the explosions typically start at the bottom.
http://f4d3r.blogspot.com/2006/03/911-documentary. html
Doesn't play.
This is just one of the works out there that examines the many anomolies involved with 9/11.
You realize that for every one crtackpot conspriacy site out there, there is probably one that debunks it too.
which was not a 757 engine, and is weird enough a fact as is)
Prove it.
you tell me what your theory is as to how that jet engine got inside the Pentagon without there being an additional hole 20 feet from the center of the impact.
Wings fold toward the fuselage, engine enters hole. Or, engine comes off when plane touches the ground before impact, momentum carries it into hole. Done.
This leaves me, at least, with various unanswered questions. Now perhaps you are way, way smarter than me, and you see the answer or answers.
Still waiting on answers as to the whereabouts if the actual plane. Take your time.
As I said right out of the gate in my original post, I'm not on board with the conspiracy folks.
OK, Skippy -- what are those sequential explosive outgassings running down the sides of each building floors BELOW the crush points, at perfect timed intervals?
Frankly I don't know what you're talking about. I've seen the videos of the collapses dozens of times and I've never seen any "explosive outgassings".
The pentagon hole was 16 feet across.
Which is larger than the width of the fuselage of a 757.
Then ask how that (way too small) jet engine
Huh?
considering there were NO holes out where the wings would have hit.
The wings pretty much disintegrated when they hit. What did you expect in a reinforced concrete building, a Wile E. Coyote-type cartoon hole?
C'mon, genius... what's your answer? Another "duh, no it don't"?
Christ you're kind of an idiot.
ook it up. Did you know NO other skyscrapers EVER ANYWHERE have fallen from fire? I thought not. Look that up, too. While you're at it, look up how steel softens and at what heat, and WHY skyscrapers don't fall from fire.
Look up the 9/11 report while you're at it.
I mean, it IS unreasonable to expect everyone to understand what they see, know basic science, etc.
Which, apparently, you don't. Sorry.
But what DOES bother me is when someone like you, who has not taken the time or energy to examine the issues,
I have examined the issues. And you're wrong.
or may not be bright enough to do so
Yes. Everyone who doesn't buy into your crackpot theory is an idiot. Check.
If you're not actually one of the world's mass under IQ 100, you certainly just made yourself look that way.
Maybe, but that's still at least 50 points higher than you.
Here's one for you, genius. If the 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, where did it go? What happened to all the people on it? What about the many eye-witness reports of the plane flying toward the building? And the lampposts that were clipped?
What you're saying, essentially, is that the government flew a 757 toward the Pentagon so as to get witnesses, then flew it away somehow without anyone noticing, while simultaneously launching a missile or something to blow a hole in the building. Then they snuck in, planted fake pieces of a plane to corroborate their story (but screwed up their clever plan by using pieces that you say were too small for a 757, tipping off eagle-eyed observers such as yourself.) They also disposed of all the passengers on the plain; I presume either by shooting them and burying them in an unmarked grave in Afghanistan somewhere, or by keeping them in custody in a remote gulag. Then I guess they chopped up the plane and sold the parts at a flea market.
Christ Almighty. Even if it was a conspiracy, wouldn't it have been easier to just crash the bloody plane into the building?
This movement appears to be indicative of the propensity of lackadaisical or indeed preposterous individuals to repudiate the necessities of encouraging a proper enlightenment of the intricacies of linguistic comunication. Unquestionably, this preposterous recommendation can only be indicative of a desire to bring forth an ideology resulting in the reduction of the instruction of responsibilty upon one's self. One must ponder the disappearance of intellectual progress when considering why our many progenitors incurred no difficulty in the attainments of the identical language. Yet for reasons unknown the current populous has in some way been deemed too intellectually challenged to educate themselves of the same vocabulary. This indicates a very bankrupt, mental capacity with respect to the educational capacities of my fellow homo sapiens and should not be looked upon favorably.
Even though it really does look like the twin tower buildings were dropped using standard demolition techniques,
No it doesn't.
even though building seven fell, hours later, without ever being hit by an aircraft and also looked like it was dropped in exactly the same manner as the two towers
It had been on fire the whole time.
and even though there are no signs that the Pentagon was hit by anything as large as an airliner
Except for the goddamn big hole...
I'm jusst mostly on the "my fellow citizens sure are an uninformed and spoon-fed bunch of people" bus.
I'm just mostly on the "you will believe any conspiracy theory as long as it conforms to your pre-existing beliefs" bus.
I hate to break the news to you, but the US does not have a defensive army. You have a mostly offensive army which is basically strong enough to take on the rest of the world.
It is an honour for a head of any branch of the government, not an imposition, to receive a person who -- although I do not agree with many of his practices and/or views -- embodies and started the Free Software movement, and keeps on pushing its agenda.
Is this some kind of joke? It may be an honor for a head of state to meet Stallman (although I doubt it), it is also an honor for Stallman to meet the head of state. And that means he should make an effort to not look like a slob.
The fact that we haven't been hit since 9/11 doesn't mean they don't exist, it means they're not interested in setting off bombs in shopping malls and sports stadiums, killing mere hundreds.
Additionally, it is not unreasonable to assume that SomethingAwful were aware that such a disclaimer applied to the information that they had received.
Um. They didn't receive anything. One of the forum members linked to a picture on his own hosting. SomethingAwful doesn't have a copy of anything.
Think of it this way: at the moment of the Big Bang, all places were one place, so the Bang happened everywhere at once. It's just that "everywhere" was very small at the time. You couldn't have stood in empty space outside the BB and watched the BB happen because there was no space for you to stand in.
The result is that today, no matter where you go in the universe, it would look like the universe was expanding away from wherever you are. And it is. But it also is from any other point you choose.
don't forget all the extra ads they show in the trailers! nothing like paying $26 for yourself and a date to eat some popcorn and watch ads!
Those aren't ads! Those are the "Pre-Show Entertainment", according to National Amusements cinemas. They're trying to entertain you before the show even begins and all you can do is rag on them. It's no wonder studios aren't willing to put the effort into making good movies with that attitude. >:(
It seems we've already hit that live round a couple of times. TMI and Chernobyl certianly come to mind.
Except that both of these are bad examples for your point. The Chernobyl incident was caused by people doing things they explicitly weren't supposed to do, couple with a reactor design that couldn't handle their stupidity. And during TMI, the controllers did everything wrong, and the containment building still did its job. If anything, TMI should be held as a shining example of how safe nuclear power is.
Show me the evidence that the government has been spying on US citizens and not on foreign terrorists? Got any?
No?
Gee, I wonder why.
Have you missed all the flak about domestic spying recently?
Anyway, it's very difficult to get information about a secret spy program when it's, you know, secret.
If all these "freedoms" Liberals crow about were so important to the Founding Fathers, why were they in a Amendments to the Constitution instead of in the Constitution itself?
Thomas Jefferson (at least) thought the Constitution was good except for two things: no bill of rights and the lack of a term limit for the President. The Bill of Rights was added in 1791.
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From the FSF's perspective, a hardware vendor shouldn't be allowed to lock you into using their approved software.
Why is the Free Software Foundation trying to tell hardware vendors what to do?
It seems that all these people who complain would rather see your children dead then let the government do its job (protecting your freedom).
The government's job isn't to protect our freedom. That's our job.
do have a very nice SGI Indigo foot rest however.
Mine's an Octane. In the winter, if it gets cold in the office, I can turn it on and use it as a space heater.
Oh Jesus, if this video, which has been debunked a thousand times, is your evidence, I give up.
I don't see any explosions from 20-30 floors below. More like 2-3.
Also, you asked above, what happened to the plane. That's why I directed you to this specific video; it addresses those questions. Watch, then comment, please.
Your specific video still doesn't play. Summarize.
Also, from here:
I found another site with a video about the "outgassings" and I still think you're full of it. Looks to me like debris being blown out windows from the force of the floors above collapsing.
Also, it probably needs to be pointed out that when a building is brought down with explosives, the explosions typically start at the bottom.
http://f4d3r.blogspot.com/2006/03/911-documentary. html
Doesn't play.
This is just one of the works out there that examines the many anomolies involved with 9/11.
You realize that for every one crtackpot conspriacy site out there, there is probably one that debunks it too.
which was not a 757 engine, and is weird enough a fact as is)
Prove it.
you tell me what your theory is as to how that jet engine got inside the Pentagon without there being an additional hole 20 feet from the center of the impact.
Wings fold toward the fuselage, engine enters hole. Or, engine comes off when plane touches the ground before impact, momentum carries it into hole. Done.
This leaves me, at least, with various unanswered questions. Now perhaps you are way, way smarter than me, and you see the answer or answers.
Still waiting on answers as to the whereabouts if the actual plane. Take your time.
As I said right out of the gate in my original post, I'm not on board with the conspiracy folks.
It certainly looks like you are.
OK, Skippy -- what are those sequential explosive outgassings running down the sides of each building floors BELOW the crush points, at perfect timed intervals?
Frankly I don't know what you're talking about. I've seen the videos of the collapses dozens of times and I've never seen any "explosive outgassings".
The pentagon hole was 16 feet across.
Which is larger than the width of the fuselage of a 757.
Then ask how that (way too small) jet engine
Huh?
considering there were NO holes out where the wings would have hit.
The wings pretty much disintegrated when they hit. What did you expect in a reinforced concrete building, a Wile E. Coyote-type cartoon hole?
C'mon, genius... what's your answer? Another "duh, no it don't"?
Christ you're kind of an idiot.
ook it up. Did you know NO other skyscrapers EVER ANYWHERE have fallen from fire? I thought not. Look that up, too. While you're at it, look up how steel softens and at what heat, and WHY skyscrapers don't fall from fire.
Look up the 9/11 report while you're at it.
I mean, it IS unreasonable to expect everyone to understand what they see, know basic science, etc.
Which, apparently, you don't. Sorry.
But what DOES bother me is when someone like you, who has not taken the time or energy to examine the issues,
I have examined the issues. And you're wrong.
or may not be bright enough to do so
Yes. Everyone who doesn't buy into your crackpot theory is an idiot. Check.
If you're not actually one of the world's mass under IQ 100, you certainly just made yourself look that way.
Maybe, but that's still at least 50 points higher than you.
Here's one for you, genius. If the 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, where did it go? What happened to all the people on it? What about the many eye-witness reports of the plane flying toward the building? And the lampposts that were clipped?
What you're saying, essentially, is that the government flew a 757 toward the Pentagon so as to get witnesses, then flew it away somehow without anyone noticing, while simultaneously launching a missile or something to blow a hole in the building. Then they snuck in, planted fake pieces of a plane to corroborate their story (but screwed up their clever plan by using pieces that you say were too small for a 757, tipping off eagle-eyed observers such as yourself.) They also disposed of all the passengers on the plain; I presume either by shooting them and burying them in an unmarked grave in Afghanistan somewhere, or by keeping them in custody in a remote gulag. Then I guess they chopped up the plane and sold the parts at a flea market.
Christ Almighty. Even if it was a conspiracy, wouldn't it have been easier to just crash the bloody plane into the building?
This movement appears to be indicative of the propensity of lackadaisical or indeed preposterous individuals to repudiate the necessities of encouraging a proper enlightenment of the intricacies of linguistic comunication. Unquestionably, this preposterous recommendation can only be indicative of a desire to bring forth an ideology resulting in the reduction of the instruction of responsibilty upon one's self. One must ponder the disappearance of intellectual progress when considering why our many progenitors incurred no difficulty in the attainments of the identical language. Yet for reasons unknown the current populous has in some way been deemed too intellectually challenged to educate themselves of the same vocabulary. This indicates a very bankrupt, mental capacity with respect to the educational capacities of my fellow homo sapiens and should not be looked upon favorably.
You misspelled "communication". Hope this helps!
and even though building seven fell, hours later, without ever being hit by an aircraft
Oh, and I forgot to mention that WTC 7 had been seriously damaged by the collapse of the towers. There's a picture of the damage on this page.
Even though it really does look like the twin tower buildings were dropped using standard demolition techniques,
No it doesn't.
even though building seven fell, hours later, without ever being hit by an aircraft and also looked like it was dropped in exactly the same manner as the two towers
It had been on fire the whole time.
and even though there are no signs that the Pentagon was hit by anything as large as an airliner
Except for the goddamn big hole...
I'm jusst mostly on the "my fellow citizens sure are an uninformed and spoon-fed bunch of people" bus.
I'm just mostly on the "you will believe any conspiracy theory as long as it conforms to your pre-existing beliefs" bus.
You can walk out of a Best Buy with a 50 inch DLP HD television for only $1300, on sale. That's pretty damn cheap.
No, actually, it sounds like a hell of a lot of money to me.
I hate to break the news to you, but the US does not have a defensive army. You have a mostly offensive army which is basically strong enough to take on the rest of the world.
Jealous?
It is an honour for a head of any branch of the government, not an imposition, to receive a person who -- although I do not agree with many of his practices and/or views -- embodies and started the Free Software movement, and keeps on pushing its agenda.
Is this some kind of joke? It may be an honor for a head of state to meet Stallman (although I doubt it), it is also an honor for Stallman to meet the head of state. And that means he should make an effort to not look like a slob.
What does this even mean?
As a parent, I ask how many of you parents want your 9 year old purchasing GTA?
It is not the government's job to make sure your kids don't buy GTA. It's yours.
The fact that we haven't been hit since 9/11 doesn't mean they don't exist, it means they're not interested in setting off bombs in shopping malls and sports stadiums, killing mere hundreds.
And you know this because.....?
It makes things easier, but that doesn't mean that synchronous designs are good: they are just easier to understand and debug.
:)
I don't know where you got your degree, but a design that is easier to understand and debug is good.
Additionally, it is not unreasonable to assume that SomethingAwful were aware that such a disclaimer applied to the information that they had received.
Um. They didn't receive anything. One of the forum members linked to a picture on his own hosting. SomethingAwful doesn't have a copy of anything.
But it doesn't.
Think of it this way: at the moment of the Big Bang, all places were one place, so the Bang happened everywhere at once. It's just that "everywhere" was very small at the time. You couldn't have stood in empty space outside the BB and watched the BB happen because there was no space for you to stand in.
The result is that today, no matter where you go in the universe, it would look like the universe was expanding away from wherever you are. And it is. But it also is from any other point you choose.
Ron More comes on from stage left.
:)
You misspelled "Moore".
don't forget all the extra ads they show in the trailers! nothing like paying $26 for yourself and a date to eat some popcorn and watch ads!
Those aren't ads! Those are the "Pre-Show Entertainment", according to National Amusements cinemas. They're trying to entertain you before the show even begins and all you can do is rag on them. It's no wonder studios aren't willing to put the effort into making good movies with that attitude. >:(
It seems we've already hit that live round a couple of times. TMI and Chernobyl certianly come to mind.
Except that both of these are bad examples for your point. The Chernobyl incident was caused by people doing things they explicitly weren't supposed to do, couple with a reactor design that couldn't handle their stupidity. And during TMI, the controllers did everything wrong, and the containment building still did its job. If anything, TMI should be held as a shining example of how safe nuclear power is.
Show me the evidence that the government has been spying on US citizens and not on foreign terrorists? Got any?
No?
Gee, I wonder why.
Have you missed all the flak about domestic spying recently?
Anyway, it's very difficult to get information about a secret spy program when it's, you know, secret.
If all these "freedoms" Liberals crow about were so important to the Founding Fathers, why were they in a Amendments to the Constitution instead of in the Constitution itself?
Thomas Jefferson (at least) thought the Constitution was good except for two things: no bill of rights and the lack of a term limit for the President. The Bill of Rights was added in 1791.
However, from the same page I tried: The white house in washington
Did you try, say, "The white house in washington, DC"?
First link has the address and the phone number.