I think the Linux community is shooting itself in the foot by trying to play catchup with MS on the GUI front.
I agree on this point. Sort of. Who says the MS GUI is the one we want to emulate? It just isn't intuitive(see previous posts from me about the whole subject), yet we burn cycles with kde/gnome and the startbar look. I understand that people don't want to learn a new interface but the interface from Mac to windows is different yet people learn that when they move to Macs nad vice-versa. I guess the whole power of it comes in the fact that a user could design any interface he wants though. I just wonder where the idea that pretty == good OS?
I wonder how many of these seemingly prolinux posts are attempts to discredit linux as a desktop os? I'm not saying the are but sutff like this makes me wonder. I agree that Windows and linux and bsd and beos and apple can all live together. My beef with microsoft comes with thier business practices and lack of sportsmanship (not that anyone said they HAD to have any). If linux flops on its face today, as one poster said above, I will still use it. Remember that we slaved away for years as users of Linux in almost complete anonimity and it still got better with each new kernel. Unless linux/bsd become obsolete, they will be my OS's of choice.
I'm glad I read before I poted. This was the first thing i thought of when I heard this on the radio this morning. It's funny...there was a quote on this special about wrestling on tv. At the end they said that we aren't quite on the level with ancient rome watching people battle to the death with each other. We haven't cried out for blood...yet. I fear something like this is just one more step down the spiral. Evil prevails when good men do nothing.
You could have gotten the food in the first place. I'm not bashing space research by any means. I'm actually pretty torn between where our(U.S.) government currently invests its money. I would prefere that more benvolency (is that even a word?) inside our borders take place but I can't deny my own natural curiousity and desire to see what is really "out there". It's as if most people are hoping that we will discover something in space that will fix all of our problems back home.
A guy I work with was auctioning his copy of the Big U on ebay. I'm not a big fan of ebay though. The funny thing is that he said he had heard stephenson was a bit ashamed of this one. Who knows.
After discussing with my boss, he said even the cables for the isolated networks that classified networks are run on are buried deep and encased in some pretty hefty pipes. Just to stop someone from intercepting at that layer.
Sensitive data might seem innocuous to the casual observer. A single piece may mean little. But a group of specialists with many sensitive pieces can discern what the classified object is. If you don't believe that, you are fairly ignorant of basic espionage techniques.
This is a very good point. My current boss did crypto work for the military before he went into IT. One point that he, and everyone else I have ever talked to have made is what you have said.
i.e. If some secretary puts in an order for 50,000 Winter gear sets via email that is not considered classified. Any intelligent person could discern that there are probably going to be troops sent to a winter region somewhere. Combine this email with various others. It's all about seeing the patterns in things. I'm sure if you were handed printouts of 50 random military emails you could probably glean some very sensitive information from it.
Strict central control is not the issue with closed vs. open source. It's the ability to modify code on your own if the need arises. Linux has a fairly strict central codebase as well. It's up to the distro/*bsd controllers to decide which direction they want. The nice thing is that, if i don't like the direction that freebsd is taking, I can create my on version in the direction I want. As long as I adhere to the license that the codebase was created under, I am well within that right. If I am not mistaken, openBSD spun off of freebsd because of security issues. It is now almost entriely it's own OS with no ties to it's predecesor save the BSD in the name. THAT is the real joy of opensource.
I found the freebsd install fairly easy. Then again I've installed slackware before so anything is a stepup;) (that wasn't a jab at slackware jsut a bit of humor). I honestly think all this ease of install stuff is pretty arbitrary (i think that word applies here). What one person finds difficult (i did not like the debian install at all), others may find easy (freebsd and netbsd). It all depends on the user level. I figure if you have a knowledge of what type of machine you are installing for and enough about system stuff (partitioning, et al) you can navigate your way through an install. The only difficult part of any install really is wading through the number of wonderful software packages available.
This is how I was. I've used linux for a long time now. I installed FreeBSD 3.3 the other day./usr/ports knocked me on my ass. I don't really want to move to freebsd for my workstations but for my servers, it kicks ass. I just ordered a cd and tshirt from openbsd.org to support them (I'm a sucker for projects some times.), but I've been meaning to do that for a while. More power to the *BSD's AND the linux distro's of the world.
I just caught this quote. Does this strike anyone as arrogant on the part of zd/macmillian?
In other words, it looks like Mandrake is going to be with us for quite a while -- or at least as long as Macmillan is interested in it.
Does the success of mandrake *NOW* depend on who markets it? IT was doing quite well on it's own. I think I've had my fill of bullshit for the day. Good thing I don't own a gun;) (That *WAS* a joke, however much in bad taste it may be)
This is how I do it at my house. The only windows machine that I use(freebsd/natd firewall and redhat/beos in my room) is in the living room running an ATI all in wonder 128 32 meg video card and the SBlive high end dealie. Piping the display to a nice 32 inch tv, I can use it for vcds/dvds or some really neato open gl plugins for winamp at the occasional party. Kinda slick. Now I jsut need a better reciever and a new set of speakers and I'll be set.
I would have to agree. That was the first thing that came to MY mind. Of course I've been listening to the Coal Chamber/Ozzy remake of shock the monkey since the new cd came out so I've got Peter Gabriel on the brain.
One thing to remember is that MacMillian pays zd alot of money for adverts. If you watch zdtv at all, you will see Macmillian Linux commercials all the time. Of course they are going to do an article on them. It's cheap advertising.
The SCSL still doesnot promote the growth ( or infestation as some would say) that the GPL does. Hell even a BSD license would be better than Sun's poor excuse for openness.
Not that I'm going to get into a Windowmanager ware here BUT....the only reason people would find kde or gnome environments wasier to use is because that's all they have ever used. Just because it's easy to them doesnt mean it's intuitive. I remember seeing a page somewhere once that had a list of UI flaws and basic design incompatibilities that windows had. I personally dont think having the close and maximize buttons that close together is a bright idea. I think the nextstep type UI's are MUCH more easy to use.
Course I'm biased cause I've been running windowmaker since it started and afterstep before that;)
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I think the Linux community is shooting itself in the foot by trying to play catchup with MS on the GUI front.
I agree on this point. Sort of. Who says the MS GUI is the one we want to emulate? It just isn't intuitive(see previous posts from me about the whole subject), yet we burn cycles with kde/gnome and the startbar look. I understand that people don't want to learn a new interface but the interface from Mac to windows is different yet people learn that when they move to Macs nad vice-versa. I guess the whole power of it comes in the fact that a user could design any interface he wants though. I just wonder where the idea that pretty == good OS?
I wonder how many of these seemingly prolinux posts are attempts to discredit linux as a desktop os? I'm not saying the are but sutff like this makes me wonder. I agree that Windows and linux and bsd and beos and apple can all live together. My beef with microsoft comes with thier business practices and lack of sportsmanship (not that anyone said they HAD to have any). If linux flops on its face today, as one poster said above, I will still use it. Remember that we slaved away for years as users of Linux in almost complete anonimity and it still got better with each new kernel. Unless linux/bsd become obsolete, they will be my OS's of choice.
I'm glad I read before I poted. This was the first thing i thought of when I heard this on the radio this morning. It's funny...there was a quote on this special about wrestling on tv. At the end they said that we aren't quite on the level with ancient rome watching people battle to the death with each other. We haven't cried out for blood...yet.
I fear something like this is just one more step down the spiral. Evil prevails when good men do nothing.
You could have gotten the food in the first place. I'm not bashing space research by any means. I'm actually pretty torn between where our(U.S.) government currently invests its money. I would prefere that more benvolency (is that even a word?) inside our borders take place but I can't deny my own natural curiousity and desire to see what is really "out there". It's as if most people are hoping that we will discover something in space that will fix all of our problems back home.
A guy I work with was auctioning his copy of the Big U on ebay. I'm not a big fan of ebay though. The funny thing is that he said he had heard stephenson was a bit ashamed of this one. Who knows.
After discussing with my boss, he said even the cables for the isolated networks that classified networks are run on are buried deep and encased in some pretty hefty pipes. Just to stop someone from intercepting at that layer.
Sensitive data might seem innocuous to the casual observer. A single piece may mean little. But a group of specialists with many sensitive pieces can discern what
the classified object is. If you don't believe that, you are fairly ignorant of basic espionage techniques.
This is a very good point. My current boss did crypto work for the military before he went into IT. One point that he, and everyone else I have ever talked to have made is what you have said.
i.e. If some secretary puts in an order for 50,000 Winter gear sets via email that is not considered classified. Any intelligent person could discern that there are probably going to be troops sent to a winter region somewhere. Combine this email with various others. It's all about seeing the patterns in things. I'm sure if you were handed printouts of 50 random military emails you could probably glean some very sensitive information from it.
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Strict central control is not the issue with closed vs. open source. It's the ability to modify code on your own if the need arises. Linux has a fairly strict central codebase as well. It's up to the distro/*bsd controllers to decide which direction they want. The nice thing is that, if i don't like the direction that freebsd is taking, I can create my on version in the direction I want. As long as I adhere to the license that the codebase was created under, I am well within that right. If I am not mistaken, openBSD spun off of freebsd because of security issues. It is now almost entriely it's own OS with no ties to it's predecesor save the BSD in the name. THAT is the real joy of opensource.
I found the freebsd install fairly easy. Then again I've installed slackware before so anything is a stepup ;) (that wasn't a jab at slackware jsut a bit of humor). I honestly think all this ease of install stuff is pretty arbitrary (i think that word applies here). What one person finds difficult (i did not like the debian install at all), others may find easy (freebsd and netbsd). It all depends on the user level. I figure if you have a knowledge of what type of machine you are installing for and enough about system stuff (partitioning, et al) you can navigate your way through an install. The only difficult part of any install really is wading through the number of wonderful software packages available.
This is how I was. I've used linux for a long time now. I installed FreeBSD 3.3 the other day. /usr/ports knocked me on my ass. I don't really want to move to freebsd for my workstations but for my servers, it kicks ass. I just ordered a cd and tshirt from openbsd.org to support them (I'm a sucker for projects some times.), but I've been meaning to do that for a while. More power to the *BSD's AND the linux distro's of the world.
I don't think Linux will retire but LinuS might one day.
Not making fun just pointing out.
I just caught this quote. Does this strike anyone as arrogant on the part of zd/macmillian?
;) (That *WAS* a joke, however much in bad taste it may be)
In other words, it looks like Mandrake is going to be
with us for quite a while -- or at least as long as
Macmillan is interested in it.
Does the success of mandrake *NOW* depend on who markets it? IT was doing quite well on it's own. I think I've had my fill of bullshit for the day. Good thing I don't own a gun
This is how I do it at my house. The only windows machine that I use(freebsd/natd firewall and redhat/beos in my room) is in the living room running an ATI all in wonder 128 32 meg video card and the SBlive high end dealie. Piping the display to a nice 32 inch tv, I can use it for vcds/dvds or some really neato open gl plugins for winamp at the occasional party. Kinda slick. Now I jsut need a better reciever and a new set of speakers and I'll be set.
I would have to agree. That was the first thing that came to MY mind. Of course I've been listening to the Coal Chamber/Ozzy remake of shock the monkey since the new cd came out so I've got Peter Gabriel on the brain.
One thing to remember is that MacMillian pays zd alot of money for adverts. If you watch zdtv at all, you will see Macmillian Linux commercials all the time. Of course they are going to do an article on them. It's cheap advertising.
Actually I think grammar says to use his as the possesive unless you explicitly define the subject as feminine.
It's more than likely that your video card couldn't be recognized. I had that problem with lorax (beta) but not with cartman.
redhat has that functionality and has had it. You can do a mkkickstart.
I'm the same way but I decided to do my first upgrade this morning and it was slick. Anaconda kicks much tail.
Actually it has already been fixed. I think the first samba errata that was put out had that fixed.
The SCSL still doesnot promote the growth ( or infestation as some would say) that the GPL does. Hell even a BSD license would be better than Sun's poor excuse for openness.
You are awesome. I have been looking for this since last year.
Not that I'm going to get into a Windowmanager ware here BUT....the only reason people would find kde or gnome environments wasier to use is because that's all they have ever used. Just because it's easy to them doesnt mean it's intuitive. I remember seeing a page somewhere once that had a list of UI flaws and basic design incompatibilities that windows had. I personally dont think having the close and maximize buttons that close together is a bright idea. I think the nextstep type UI's are MUCH more easy to use.
;)
Course I'm biased cause I've been running windowmaker since it started and afterstep before that
As long as I can occasionally get three sheets to the wind, I'll be happy ;)