You can't. But fortunately, exactly that (and more) is what server keys and challenge auth is for. So never, never! ignore when your client for a secured connection complains about non-matching keys.
Well, it's just that this is not the case (water etc.). The us steel industry is just less productive than others, so their steel is more expensive. The WTO has allowed the european union to put up to 2 billion $ extra duties on good coming from the US into the EU because of the _illegal_ US safeguards.
This is the point, and everything about the competition "dumping" etc. is just a try to obfuscate the issue.
All very nice examples for "dumping to destroy the market or mafia", but you conveniently forgot to mention that the european union has massively fought against the us steel taxes, which were illegal (if you follow the WTO) from the start. So, which of the countries you mentioned above are in the european union? None And you don't want to tell me that in britain/france/germany/spain the mafia does the steel production, heh?
here is some info about the state of EU vs. USA trade.
Yeah, that exactly is the problem, and as far as I have seen, the number esp. with children to be diagnosed this way has skyrocketed. I'm just speculating so much about the social reasons for that that I sometimes forget that there might be a real ADHD. This article, which I just googled (I wanted to post something in english), seems to have some interesting facts:
The use of Prozac and other anti-depressants for children under 18 was up 74%, for ages 7-12 up 151%, and for children six years of age and under, anti-depressant drug use rose a shocking 580%. IMS Health, a company that tracks and reports the latest trends in medication usage for the pharmaceutical industry, compiled the statistics.
Another note:
With a 700 percent increase in the use of Ritalin since 1990, parents have been repeatedly told that their kids probably have ADHD and that Ritalin is the treatment of choice. In the most extreme cases, parents unwilling to give their kids drugs are being reported by their schools to local offices of Child Protective Services, the implication being that by withholding drugs, the parents are guilty of neglect.
Guy or Girl, I'm sorry if I offended you (even if I have no idea how), but please reread my comment and see that I in no way posed as an "authority". I merely spoke about things I expierienced, and believe me, this is possible quite intensivly without having studied psychology.
Another thing, I reread my message and I think I should clarify that I wanted to say two different things, and messed it up a bit (as I said, english is not my mother tongue). On one hand I wanted to tell HanzoSan that he should realize that the symptoms of people being diagnosed ADHD are _not_ solved by just "trying harder".
OTOH, I gave the example of children often diagnosed ADHD and given drugs where there are other possible causes in their enviroment for their suffering.
Read the stuff related to "Voices From The Hellmouth" here on slashdot, there were many examples of kids (and young adults!) getting retalin & stuff because they did not conform to the party line.
Because you're posting anonymous (which makes being offensive easier, it seems), I'll cite your comment for others
Pay attention here bozo. We are talking about adults with ADHD here, not children. Also, I am not sure what your qualifications are, but I find it hard to believe someone who cannot even spell psychological has the requisite knowledge needed to diagnose psychological problems in children.
Hmmmmm, Einstein, has it ever occured to you that there might be people on this world who don't speak english as their mother tongue???????
BTW, cool name. If you ever decide to abandon that identity, let me know.;-)
Hehehe, I forgot to compliment you for the name of your homepage;).
Most journaling filesystems only journal metadata, so they provide the exact same non-guarantee regarding data that soft updates would.
I read once a paper about softupdates (quite old, I think it's the paper presenting the idea of softupdates for the first time, at least it reads that way), where they (completely IIRC) talk about an "update daemon" which writes the dirty in-memory metadata blocks to disc at regular intervals. That lead me to the conclusion about softupdates loosing somewhat more metadata in case of a crash. But OTOH there's a lag in writing to a journal, also.
As you can see, it's an interesting set of tradeoffs.
And as if that weren't enough things to think about, I heard that there are these drives which plainly lie about what has been really written to the platters.
No matter what, though, I tend to prefer soft updates due to greater storage efficiency and less need for provisioning/tuning.
Oh come on, in reality you prefer softupdates because you are a BSD zealot.;)))
Thanks for your explanations, and if I ever decide to sell my slashdot handle and the attached wellness of super positive karma on ebay, I'll make you a special offer;).
That fact that an illness has symptoms which are measurable with medical equipment doesn't mean that it's not psychologicaly founded. There are plenty of examples for that.
I'm one of those guys who writes filesystems, the ones you say are not so dumb.
I bow to your superior knowledge;).
The main point I wanted to make in my hastily written reply was exactly that, i.e. that it's quite childish to say something like "xyz is a hack", when xyz has been used by a lot of experts in a field for quite a long time. So I forgot to mention the log replay, as you rightly point out.
Finally a question, since you, unlike me, know what you are talking about: Is it right to assume that softupdates are faster, but journaling might save a little bit more data in case of a crash?
Linus doesn't have a shit to do with it if something is pushed into the kernel which happens to be someone else's IP, because everything contributed not from linus is someone elses IP.
He doesn't get assigned the rights from the contributors, and he doesn't distribute the kernel (i.e. he doesn't own kernel.org), insofar SCO again is really really far away from anything which matters.
Boy do they get on my nerves, they more and more fulfill the rolemodel of that guy in school which was sooo obnoxious that even the most pacifist people sooner or later had to follow the urge to beat him up.
HanzoSan, I do concur with many of the things you say, but if you are diagnosed ADHD (note how I don't say "if you have ADHD") you often have real big problems which you can't solve yourself.
But, and that is where we meet, having seen children getting therapy which were diagnosed ADHD, I'm sure that drugs aren't the right thing to help them. There were a lot of things going wrong in their families, and the behavior of these children was a reaction to that, nothing more. I'm not talking about abuse/mauling, just perhaps that the parents didn't care enough for the children, or that the parents were divorced, or had personal (psycological) problems themselves. Children are extremely sensible for these things and suffer alot.
And when they cry for help in form of deveolping these symtoms because they live under bad circumstances, they ged fed drugs, and their enviroment can happily continue with their lives as if nothing was wrong.
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Amen to that. I don't want in any way dispute that people diagnosed ADHD etc. are suffering. But I think that a lot goes wrong in todays medicine business.
Kids bad in school -> Give them ritalin Kids too active for their parents -> Give them ritalin people don't care for themselves,f*ck up their lives and get in a bad mood -> give them prozac. people eat too much, don't exercise, ruin their health -> need a plethora of medicaments.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think something like depression doesn't exist, or that people diagnosed ADHD are hypochondriacs - with ADHD though it might be that psychologists invented it to fill up the last "else:" statement of the diagnostic process.
The southpark episode "Timmy 2000" comes to mind to satirically show the processes which might happen in families and lead to kids getting drugs.
Much like databases should be ACID compliant, filesystem writes can and should occur in such a manner that no external journal is required.
And how would you propose to achieve that without performance going down the drain? The guys writing these filesystems are not dumb, and the reasons why journals are used are well considered. Another thing is that ACID compliant databases also use something like a journal to achive the atomicity. Oh, and forget softupdates, they are _not_ comparable to journaling filesystems, for instance you still need to fsck, it's just faster. Compare that with one of the funnies manpages I know.
This is a problem with the imprecise meaning of "distributor". I was setting "distributor" = "makes a distribution". They do something else, they "bought" the versions they sold from Suse, or Redhat. So if there were some sort of liability for breaking certain export laws, I think they'd have good chance to blame the companies which "sold" them the copies. What I mean is that Redhat or Suse surely have signed some contract where they guarantee IBM legality of their distributions etc. I say that because exactly _that_ was one of the reasons IBM gave for _not_ making their own distribution. I'm not sure if you even can download the kernel in any form from any of IBM's servers.
With Sco(Caldera) there's none of the above uncertainties.
The only way I can sum this up is "If you use Linux, the terrorists have already won." This addition is rather odd, as if they are so worried, why wasn't this in the original suit? It smacks of exploiting the fear of terrorism and rogue nations for their own ends, and to me hints that their next strategy could be to focus on the idea that "Linx is unethical."
I know, this has been said about their actions before, but I have to repeat it *deep breath*
THEY ARE FUCKIN OUT OF THEIR MIND!
These idiots seem to forget that Caldera itself worked towards multiprocessor capabilites in linux, and that IBM did never distribute linux, but SCO did (and _still_ does)!
The bullshit they spout is absolutely outlandish, and everytime I think it can't get dumber, they surprise me.
I hope this last verbal diarrhoea (about "helping terrorists") causes a suit by IBM. And that they begin to attack developers personally (i.e. linus) is also a new dimension in lack of dignity. Bastards
Remember, this is just a thought experiment, and it will stay that if there are any significant quantities of WMDs in Iraq found.
Ok, on to your question. I certainly would have choosen A), because I have no special interest in WMDs. But when you ask what I think Saddam would've done, I'd say B). But this is 1998 you talk about. I also think it's possible that Saddam reconsidered after 9/11.
First, the Bush administration stated that in _2003_ the iraq had WMD. Now let's look at your examples:
Robert Byrd (2002): "...we are confident..."
Well, this isn't the same as "...we know..."
Clinton: (1998!)
Simply the wrong time, the point of the states wanting longer inspections was that more pressure would clearly get iraq from staying away from/getting rid of WMDs. Look at it from Sadams perspective: He thinks he cannot really hide he's working on/has WMDs, so he gets rid of them. From 9/11 2001 at least it must have been clear to him that his regime was in great danger to be attacked from the US of A, so getting caught with chemical weapons in his foregarden was not what he wanted to happen. So maybe he decided they were not worth it, and got rid of them (or maybe hid them in a deep hole in a desert, who knows).
Jacques Chirac (2002): Well, maybe you should take into account that from a rethoric point of view Jacques Chirac is the absolute antithesis to, say, Ronald Rumsfeld. With that in mind, reread the sentence if you really think he says he what you think he says. Hint, he doesn't say it.
Tell your friends to start with python. Really. Obviously, I like this language, but python has many advantages over qbasic or vb. It can be used in a procedural way, naturally going over to OO if you get it. It has a nice clean class library and is very easy to grasp. I guess for beginners python's whitespace convention could even be helpful. There is a mailing list (busy) solely dedicated for people trying to learn to program with python (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/) It has an interactive shell (this is _very_ good for beginners) and good tutorials geared towards beginners in programming (just two examples, one pulled from google: http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut .html http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hacki ng.php
If this software is available and actually works as advertised, it might help settle some of these "do I need a faster processor" questions.
Unfortunately, nobody seems interested the least in settling something. "do I need a faster processor?" seems to be _the_ fundamental question in some peoples live. The upshot is that these people mostly are 16, so there's no reason to panic.
IMO that repeated a bit later with magneto optical drives. They had cd-rom like capacity (640 MB, maybe there were smaller ones at the beginning, eventually they got alot bigger later), are super reliable (they are expected to be durable for 50+ years, I read sometime about it in sc.american), and not too slow.
What happend? Everybody waited for cd-writers to come out and iomega happily sold their shitty undersized drives to the rest.
IMO the failure of MOs is the reason that we don't have a reliable backup medium (short of super expensive streamers ) today and people will again be very suprised in 5+ years from now that their cd-r backups are busted. Sigh, at least it's better than floppies, which died after 1 year.
If I imagine what could have become out of MOs if they were developed with the same intensity like CD-Rs, I still get angry.
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If you are really sure it's important, you could tell them you sniffed arabic usernames on the hacked servers.
You can't. But fortunately, exactly that (and more) is what server keys and challenge auth is for. So never, never! ignore when your client for a secured connection complains about non-matching keys.
You're wrong.
Look here for the view of the EU of their bilateral trade relations to the USA, there are many interesting facts in there.
Well, it's just that this is not the case (water etc.).
The us steel industry is just less productive than others, so their steel is more expensive.
The WTO has allowed the european union to put up to 2 billion $ extra duties on good coming from the US into the EU because of the _illegal_ US safeguards.
This is the point, and everything about the competition "dumping" etc. is just a try to obfuscate the issue.
russia, china, kazakhstan, japan ...
All very nice examples for "dumping to destroy the market or mafia", but you conveniently forgot to mention that the european union has massively fought against the us steel taxes, which were illegal (if you follow the WTO) from the start.
So, which of the countries you mentioned above are in the european union? None
And you don't want to tell me that in britain/france/germany/spain the mafia does the steel production, heh?
here is some info about the state of EU vs. USA trade.
Unfortunately, it's become a "fad" diagnosis
Yeah, that exactly is the problem, and as far as I have seen, the number esp. with children to be diagnosed this way has skyrocketed. I'm just speculating so much about the social reasons for that that I sometimes forget that there might be a real ADHD.
This article, which I just googled (I wanted to post something in english), seems to have some interesting facts:
The use of Prozac and other anti-depressants for children under 18 was up 74%, for ages 7-12 up 151%, and for children six years of age and under, anti-depressant drug use rose a shocking 580%. IMS Health, a company that tracks and reports the latest trends in medication usage for the pharmaceutical industry, compiled the statistics.
Another note:
With a 700 percent increase in the use of Ritalin since 1990, parents have been repeatedly told that their kids probably have ADHD and that Ritalin is the treatment of choice. In the most extreme cases, parents unwilling to give their kids drugs are being reported by their schools to local offices of Child Protective Services, the implication being that by withholding drugs, the parents are guilty of neglect.
Scary shit I'd say
Guy or Girl, I'm sorry if I offended you (even if I have no idea how), but please reread my comment and see that I in no way posed as an "authority". I merely spoke about things I expierienced, and believe me, this is possible quite intensivly without having studied psychology.
Another thing, I reread my message and I think I should clarify that I wanted to say two different things, and messed it up a bit (as I said, english is not my mother tongue). On one hand I wanted to tell HanzoSan that he should realize that the symptoms of people being diagnosed ADHD are _not_ solved by just "trying harder".
OTOH, I gave the example of children often diagnosed ADHD and given drugs where there are other possible causes in their enviroment for their suffering.
Read the stuff related to "Voices From The Hellmouth" here on slashdot, there were many examples of kids (and young adults!) getting retalin & stuff because they did not conform to the party line.
Because you're posting anonymous (which makes being offensive easier, it seems), I'll cite your comment for others
Pay attention here bozo. We are talking about adults with ADHD here, not children. Also, I am not sure what your qualifications are, but I find it hard to believe someone who cannot even spell psychological has the requisite knowledge needed to diagnose psychological problems in children.
Hmmmmm, Einstein, has it ever occured to you that there might be people on this world who don't speak english as their mother tongue???????
BTW, cool name. If you ever decide to abandon that identity, let me know. ;-)
;).
;)))
;).
Hehehe, I forgot to compliment you for the name of your homepage
Most journaling filesystems only journal metadata, so they provide the exact same non-guarantee regarding data that soft updates would.
I read once a paper about softupdates (quite old, I think it's the paper presenting the idea of softupdates for the first time, at least it reads that way), where they (completely IIRC) talk about an "update daemon" which writes the dirty in-memory metadata blocks to disc at regular intervals. That lead me to the conclusion about softupdates loosing somewhat more metadata in case of a crash. But OTOH there's a lag in writing to a journal, also.
As you can see, it's an interesting set of tradeoffs.
And as if that weren't enough things to think about, I heard that there are these drives which plainly lie about what has been really written to the platters.
No matter what, though, I tend to prefer soft updates due to greater storage efficiency and less need for provisioning/tuning.
Oh come on, in reality you prefer softupdates because you are a BSD zealot.
Thanks for your explanations, and if I ever decide to sell my slashdot handle and the attached wellness of super positive karma on ebay, I'll make you a special offer
That fact that an illness has symptoms which are measurable with medical equipment doesn't mean that it's not psychologicaly founded. There are plenty of examples for that.
I'm one of those guys who writes filesystems, the ones you say are not so dumb.
;).
I bow to your superior knowledge
The main point I wanted to make in my hastily written reply was exactly that, i.e. that it's quite childish to say something like "xyz is a hack", when xyz has been used by a lot of experts in a field for quite a long time. So I forgot to mention the log replay, as you rightly point out.
Finally a question, since you, unlike me, know what you are talking about: Is it right to assume that softupdates are faster, but journaling might save a little bit more data in case of a crash?
No no no.
Linus doesn't have a shit to do with it if something is pushed into the kernel which happens to be someone else's IP, because everything contributed not from linus is someone elses IP.
He doesn't get assigned the rights from the contributors, and he doesn't distribute the kernel (i.e. he doesn't own kernel.org), insofar SCO again is really really far away from anything which matters.
Boy do they get on my nerves, they more and more fulfill the rolemodel of that guy in school which was sooo obnoxious that even the most pacifist people sooner or later had to follow the urge to beat him up.
HanzoSan, I do concur with many of the things you say, but if you are diagnosed ADHD (note how I don't say "if you have ADHD") you often have real big problems which you can't solve yourself.
But, and that is where we meet, having seen children getting therapy which were diagnosed ADHD, I'm sure that drugs aren't the right thing to help them.
There were a lot of things going wrong in their families, and the behavior of these children was a reaction to that, nothing more. I'm not talking about abuse/mauling, just perhaps that the parents didn't care enough for the children, or that the parents were divorced, or had personal (psycological) problems themselves. Children are extremely sensible for these things and suffer alot.
And when they cry for help in form of deveolping these symtoms because they live under bad circumstances, they ged fed drugs, and their enviroment can happily continue with their lives as if nothing was wrong.
Amen to that. I don't want in any way dispute that people diagnosed ADHD etc. are suffering. But I think that a lot goes wrong in todays medicine business.
Kids bad in school -> Give them ritalin
Kids too active for their parents -> Give them ritalin
people don't care for themselves,f*ck up their lives and get in a bad mood -> give them prozac.
people eat too much, don't exercise, ruin their health -> need a plethora of medicaments.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think something like depression doesn't exist, or that people diagnosed ADHD are hypochondriacs - with ADHD though it might be that psychologists invented it to fill up the last "else:" statement of the diagnostic process.
The southpark episode "Timmy 2000" comes to mind to satirically show the processes which might happen in families and lead to kids getting drugs.
If you are interested in what Reiser4 offers (and no, it's not a database), take a look at here.
Warning, quite long and full of details, but a fascinating thought that it may be in a semi stable state this year.
Much like databases should be ACID compliant, filesystem writes can and should occur in such a manner that no external journal is required.
And how would you propose to achieve that without performance going down the drain?
The guys writing these filesystems are not dumb, and the reasons why journals are used are well considered. Another thing is that ACID compliant databases also use something like a journal to achive the atomicity.
Oh, and forget softupdates, they are _not_ comparable to journaling filesystems, for instance you still need to fsck, it's just faster.
Compare that with one of the funnies manpages I know.
This is a problem with the imprecise meaning of "distributor". I was setting "distributor" = "makes a distribution".
They do something else, they "bought" the versions they sold from Suse, or Redhat. So if there were some sort of liability for breaking certain export laws, I think they'd have good chance to blame the companies which "sold" them the copies. What I mean is that Redhat or Suse surely have signed some contract where they guarantee IBM legality of their distributions etc. I say that because exactly _that_ was one of the reasons IBM gave for _not_ making their own distribution. I'm not sure if you even can download the kernel in any form from any of IBM's servers.
With Sco(Caldera) there's none of the above uncertainties.
The only way I can sum this up is "If you use Linux, the terrorists have already won." This addition is rather odd, as if they are so worried, why wasn't this in the original suit? It smacks of exploiting the fear of terrorism and rogue nations for their own ends, and to me hints that their next strategy could be to focus on the idea that "Linx is unethical."
I know, this has been said about their actions before, but I have to repeat it *deep breath*
THEY ARE FUCKIN OUT OF THEIR MIND!
These idiots seem to forget that Caldera itself worked towards multiprocessor capabilites in linux, and that IBM did never distribute linux, but SCO did (and _still_ does)!
The bullshit they spout is absolutely outlandish, and everytime I think it can't get dumber, they surprise me.
I hope this last verbal diarrhoea (about "helping terrorists") causes a suit by IBM. And that they begin to attack developers personally (i.e. linus) is also a new dimension in lack of dignity.
Bastards
What's worse is that they even _bought_ stock before this thing started:
2002-12-16 OLSON, MICHAEL P
Vice President 30,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $0.001 per share.
(Value of $30)
[...]
003-06-11 OLSON, MICHAEL P
Vice President 6,000 Automatic Sale at $8.59 - $8.66 per share.
(Proceeds of about $52,000)
That means he bought 30000 share for $30 in _toto_ and sold 6000 half a year later to gain around $50000. Wow, nice margin.
And IIRC, around end of 2002 they found the "evidence" for what they are complaining about now.
Remember, this is just a thought experiment, and it will stay that if there are any significant quantities of WMDs in Iraq found.
Ok, on to your question. I certainly would have choosen A), because I have no special interest in WMDs. But when you ask what I think Saddam would've done, I'd say B).
But this is 1998 you talk about. I also think it's possible that Saddam reconsidered after 9/11.
First, the Bush administration stated that in _2003_ the iraq had WMD.
Now let's look at your examples:
Robert Byrd (2002): "...we are confident..."
Well, this isn't the same as "...we know..."
Clinton: (1998!)
Simply the wrong time, the point of the states wanting longer inspections was that more pressure would clearly get iraq from staying away from/getting rid of WMDs.
Look at it from Sadams perspective: He thinks he cannot really hide he's working on/has WMDs, so he gets rid of them. From 9/11 2001 at least it must have been clear to him that his regime was in great danger to be attacked from the US of A, so getting caught with chemical weapons in his foregarden was not what he wanted to happen.
So maybe he decided they were not worth it, and got rid of them (or maybe hid them in a deep hole in a desert, who knows).
Jacques Chirac (2002):
Well, maybe you should take into account that from a rethoric point of view Jacques Chirac is the absolute antithesis to, say, Ronald Rumsfeld. With that in mind, reread the sentence if you really think he says he what you think he says. Hint, he doesn't say it.
Please allow me some advocacy.
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Tell your friends to start with python. Really. Obviously, I like this language, but python has many advantages over qbasic or vb. It can be used in a procedural way, naturally going over to OO if you get it.
It has a nice clean class library and is very easy to grasp. I guess for beginners python's whitespace convention could even be helpful.
There is a mailing list (busy) solely dedicated for people trying to learn to program with python (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/)
It has an interactive shell (this is _very_ good for beginners) and good tutorials geared towards beginners in programming (just two examples, one pulled from google:
http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tu
http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hack
)
If this software is available and actually works as advertised, it might help settle some of these "do I need a faster processor" questions.
Unfortunately, nobody seems interested the least in settling something.
"do I need a faster processor?" seems to be _the_ fundamental question in some peoples live. The upshot is that these people mostly are 16, so there's no reason to panic.
"is very exiting"
I meant, NOT very exiting...
LOL, I bet you didn't mean that either.
IMO that repeated a bit later with magneto optical drives. They had cd-rom like capacity (640 MB, maybe there were smaller ones at the beginning, eventually they got alot bigger later), are super reliable (they are expected to be durable for 50+ years, I read sometime about it in sc.american), and not too slow.
What happend? Everybody waited for cd-writers to come out and iomega happily sold their shitty undersized drives to the rest.
IMO the failure of MOs is the reason that we don't have a reliable backup medium (short of super expensive streamers ) today and people will again be very suprised in 5+ years from now that their cd-r backups are busted. Sigh, at least it's better than floppies, which died after 1 year.
If I imagine what could have become out of MOs if they were developed with the same intensity like CD-Rs, I still get angry.