An OS can't be a killer app. CP/M wasn't much of an OS, either, not like unix. Actually different versions of CP/M weren't compatible, everything had to be recompiled for different versions, and neither source nor compilers were available cheaply. Not to mention the variety of chips and hardware.
Visicalc CP/M was good for businesses that already had CP/M machines. From the beginning, Apple appealed to "the rest of us" and Visicalc inspired people to buy Apple IIs as their first computer. Small businesses especially, were intimidated by CP/M machines. Other companies with more resources were waiting for IBM. Its hard to imagine that M$ took the monopoly that should have been IBM's
We had "Franklin" Apple compatibles,(Boston) but shortly after they came out Apple put out a major lawsuit on them. So they were sold for only a short time. There were also "Lasers" and Laser128s sold by Sears I beleive, and they also came out with a PC compatible Laser, using mostly the same hardware. I think one of the reasons Apple abandoning the Apple II line in favor of Macs was because Macintoshes were harder to clone for both technical (AppleROM) and legal reasons.
They've become part of the evil mind-manipulating corporate advertising conspiracy! Bastards! Only evil masterminds would think to add "don't be evil" to their mission statement, 'cause its obviously a phoney claim!
I hope I'm being funny, because I'm not being entirely sarcastic!
These kind of articles aren't the result of in-depth reporting, they're spoon-fed to media by people with agendas. You've hit the mark on the motivation for this fluff to get published. I got suckered into getting certified in Novell Networking back in '95 because of nonsense about a lack of qualified people in a growing field. Yes, mainframe technicians tend to be older- but does this fact indicate anything about future job markets- Emphatically, No!
The Finns had an amusing export a few years back: a parody of a Russian rock band called the "Leningrad Cowboys" I'm sure they inspired this project. Unfortunately Finnish culture doesn't reach the US easily. Even "Moomintrolls," probably the most internationally recognizable Finnish product, never really caught on in the US. Better luck this time
Of course it doesn't sound like a Latin noun, because its an American, copyrighted brand name! The sentence should translate to "I think Eggo. I exist." Which makes no sense, but could possibly be a Zippyism, or a new slogan from the wonderful people at Kellogg's advertising.
logically, this can refer to the rights of the copyright holders. It is the copyright holders "rights" that are being upheld. Not only are you self-righteous, but self-centered, too. This has everything to do with "rights," you just have to consider it applies to copyright holders.
Many people totally misunderstand LISP and its features. Its sad, but in any case the OP's case about the future of unix and managed code is wrong, anyhow. PS Did you know that lemmings don't mass suicide http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm
Have you read the old "Worse is Better" essay? I posted a link to it and rambled a bit a bout LISP machines, and I got replies from people who just didn't "get it." I hope more people in the future get a taste of using lisp, but I'm cynical about it ever getting out of a niche in the programming world.
Damnit! The original poster was trying to make a sarcastic comment about unix! My whole point is that UNIX IS NOT A SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY. It has gained acceptance, and will continue to be a major factor in the future because IT IS GOOD ENOUGH. I also was hoping people would READ THE CLASSIC "Worse is Better" ARTICLE!!! UN*X WILL NOT BE SUPPLANTED BY SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, and it has never been GODDAMMIT!
The AC is also just wrong about what killed LISP machines. That's made me angry.
You're right, but did you read the "Worse is Better" article? Perhaps I should have left out the part about Lisp machines. The OP seemed to beleive that Unix's superior technology got it where it is today. That the MIT approach to tech worked. Even if you can think of areas where Unix works "the best," you would be wrong to think that its being best was The reason for un*x's success.
BTW Lisp machines also the nice feature of being able to debug programs at run-time: you could rewrite a program while it was running.
WTF?- meaningless 3-letter acronym. Sorry, I found that attempt at humor irresistable. Personally I'm bothered by two letter acronyms like MS, VB and IE.
http://kde.sw.com.sg/food/worse_is_better.html Un*x isn't the best solution. LISP machines like those from Symbolics were much better 20 years ago. I think VMS was more secure and reliable, also. Un*x will prevail because its good enough, not that its "the best"- New Jersey solution.
Consumer technology follows psychological factors, not engineer's logic. Hence we have iPods dominating the mp3 player market. It will also just be easier to just stick in well-known un*x and let managed code run on top of it. Not really secure, not the best way to do it, but its easy and time-saving and pointy haired managers will like it better than developing an in-house solution.
I suppose if it were Perl 6, it would be funnier, because the parrot virtual machine is atttempting to do a few of the same things as CLR. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/03/19/dotnet.html I made this attempt at humor about Python and Perl flamewars, which started early here, because both groups tend to also be "open source" purists, and I find it funny that evil empires' borg-like platform embraces both languages. I also noticed that despite having the book, you don't claim to be using it!;-)
in American usage at least, "fine"(verb) can refer to the imposition of payment as well the actual payment. The man got "fined," but did not have to pay the "fine"(noun)" I've watched Red Dwarf smeghead, I wanted to know if You are British, not the definition!
"why is it that, every time someone gives a thorough overview of a device, piece of software or book, the pitchfork-and-torch mob forms to accuse the author of advertising"
Because stealth advertising happens so often. Especially on tech sites, people are getting paid to deliver "content" on various products. This actually happens a lot in print media too, its just not as easy to provide feedback about the fact in that medium.
You must not have read the end of the post! DID get fined, he just didn't have to pay the fine. All three of you: parent, parent of the parent and your post as well, are all more intent on throwing insults than saying much of interest. BTW smeggy sounds British, are you guys trying to start a cross Atlantic flamewar of what?
"We've secretly replaced the Dilithium crystals with Folger's dark roast crystals. Let's see how long it takes for the Enterprise crew to notice..."
Daeley, you seem to know your movies! I noticed your sig from Bladerunner. I've been trying to find out what C-beams are, including if they're made up, or improvisation by R. Hauer. Backontopic: I've already looked up "dilithium crystals." Doohan is surely one of the few, if not the first, actor whose most famous line involves an obscure technical term.
We tend to forget the really bad stuff,but basically sci-fi television/movies has always been a refuge for hacks and wannabes. Plan 9 from Outer Space can be legally downloaded http://www.archive.org/details/Plan9FromOuterSpace Don't hold you're breath waiting for sci-fi to "pick-up." Just look for good shows, some of them will happen to fit the sci-fi genre!
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An OS can't be a killer app. CP/M wasn't much of an OS, either, not like unix. Actually different versions of CP/M weren't compatible, everything had to be recompiled for different versions, and neither source nor compilers were available cheaply. Not to mention the variety of chips and hardware.
Visicalc CP/M was good for businesses that already had CP/M machines. From the beginning, Apple appealed to "the rest of us" and Visicalc inspired people to buy Apple IIs as their first computer. Small businesses especially, were intimidated by CP/M machines. Other companies with more resources were waiting for IBM. Its hard to imagine that M$ took the monopoly that should have been IBM's
We had "Franklin" Apple compatibles,(Boston) but shortly after they came out Apple put out a major lawsuit on them. So they were sold for only a short time. There were also "Lasers" and Laser128s sold by Sears I beleive, and they also came out with a PC compatible Laser, using mostly the same hardware. I think one of the reasons Apple abandoning the Apple II line in favor of Macs was because Macintoshes were harder to clone for both technical (AppleROM) and legal reasons.
Your asking something that can be looked up on Google.com!?!?
Geez, apparently these ads aren't very effective...
They've become part of the evil mind-manipulating corporate advertising conspiracy! Bastards! Only evil masterminds would think to add "don't be evil" to their mission statement, 'cause its obviously a phoney claim!
I hope I'm being funny, because I'm not being entirely sarcastic!
it means! -"Chomskyan"0 031518/qid=1125582276/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-0573 459-7462505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Seriously, though, I'm not terribly familiar with linguistics, although I've enjoyed Steven Pinker's books, and apparently he is a "Chomskyan." It seems to me like a controversy for which evidence from nuerologists and nuerobiologists is very helpful. Haven't read Pinker?--
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/067
These kind of articles aren't the result of in-depth reporting, they're spoon-fed to media by people with agendas. You've hit the mark on the motivation for this fluff to get published. I got suckered into getting certified in Novell Networking back in '95 because of nonsense about a lack of qualified people in a growing field. Yes, mainframe technicians tend to be older- but does this fact indicate anything about future job markets- Emphatically, No!
The Finns had an amusing export a few years back: a parody of a Russian rock band called the "Leningrad Cowboys" I'm sure they inspired this project. Unfortunately Finnish culture doesn't reach the US easily. Even "Moomintrolls," probably the most internationally recognizable Finnish product, never really caught on in the US. Better luck this time
Of course it doesn't sound like a Latin noun, because its an American, copyrighted brand name! The sentence should translate to "I think Eggo. I exist." Which makes no sense, but could possibly be a Zippyism, or a new slogan from the wonderful people at Kellogg's advertising.
Via con Dios!
It think the parent post may be some sort of FUD.
Why didn't you go to the site yourself?
logically, this can refer to the rights of the copyright holders. It is the copyright holders "rights" that are being upheld. Not only are you self-righteous, but self-centered, too. This has everything to do with "rights," you just have to consider it applies to copyright holders.
Many people totally misunderstand LISP and its features. Its sad, but in any case the OP's case about the future of unix and managed code is wrong, anyhow. PS Did you know that lemmings don't mass suicide http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm
Have you read the old "Worse is Better" essay?
I posted a link to it and rambled a bit a bout LISP machines, and I got replies from people who just didn't "get it." I hope more people in the future get a taste of using lisp, but I'm cynical about it ever getting out of a niche in the programming world.
Damnit! The original poster was trying to make a sarcastic comment about unix! My whole point is that UNIX IS NOT A SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY. It has gained acceptance, and will continue to be a major factor in the future because IT IS GOOD ENOUGH. I also was hoping people would READ THE CLASSIC "Worse is Better" ARTICLE!!! UN*X WILL NOT BE SUPPLANTED BY SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, and it has never been GODDAMMIT!
The AC is also just wrong about what killed LISP machines. That's made me angry.
You're right, but did you read the "Worse is Better" article? Perhaps I should have left out the part about Lisp machines. The OP seemed to beleive that Unix's superior technology got it where it is today. That the MIT approach to tech worked. Even if you can think of areas where Unix works "the best," you would be wrong to think that its being best was The reason for un*x's success.
BTW Lisp machines also the nice feature of being able to debug programs at run-time: you could rewrite a program while it was running.
WTF?- meaningless 3-letter acronym. Sorry, I found that attempt at humor irresistable. Personally I'm bothered by two letter acronyms like MS, VB and IE.
http://kde.sw.com.sg/food/worse_is_better.html
Un*x isn't the best solution. LISP machines like those from Symbolics were much better 20 years ago. I think VMS was more secure and reliable, also. Un*x will prevail because its good enough, not that its "the best"- New Jersey solution.
Consumer technology follows psychological factors, not engineer's logic. Hence we have iPods dominating the mp3 player market. It will also just be easier to just stick in well-known un*x and let managed code run on top of it. Not really secure, not the best way to do it, but its easy and time-saving and pointy haired managers will like it better than developing an in-house solution.
I suppose if it were Perl 6, it would be funnier, because the parrot virtual machine is atttempting to do a few of the same things as CLR. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/03/19/dotnet.html ;-)
I made this attempt at humor about Python and Perl flamewars, which started early here, because both groups tend to also be "open source" purists, and I find it funny that evil empires' borg-like platform embraces both languages. I also noticed that despite having the book, you don't claim to be using it!
in American usage at least, "fine"(verb) can refer to the imposition of payment as well the actual payment. The man got "fined," but did not have to pay the "fine"(noun)" I've watched Red Dwarf smeghead, I wanted to know if You are British, not the definition!
I joke, I joke. I have Visual Python!
"why is it that, every time someone gives a thorough overview of a device, piece of software or book, the pitchfork-and-torch mob forms to accuse the author of advertising"
Because stealth advertising happens so often. Especially on tech sites, people are getting paid to deliver "content" on various products. This actually happens a lot in print media too, its just not as easy to provide feedback about the fact in that medium.
You must not have read the end of the post! DID get fined, he just didn't have to pay the fine. All three of you: parent, parent of the parent and your post as well, are all more intent on throwing insults than saying much of interest. BTW smeggy sounds British, are you guys trying to start a cross Atlantic flamewar of what?
"We've secretly replaced the Dilithium crystals with Folger's dark roast crystals. Let's see how long it takes for the Enterprise crew to notice..."
Daeley, you seem to know your movies! I noticed your sig from Bladerunner. I've been trying to find out what C-beams are, including if they're made up, or improvisation by R. Hauer.
Backontopic: I've already looked up "dilithium crystals." Doohan is surely one of the few, if not the first, actor whose most famous line involves an obscure technical term.
We tend to forget the really bad stuff,but basically sci-fi television/movies has always been a refuge for hacks and wannabes.e
Plan 9 from Outer Space can be legally downloaded http://www.archive.org/details/Plan9FromOuterSpac
Don't hold you're breath waiting for sci-fi to "pick-up." Just look for good shows, some of them will happen to fit the sci-fi genre!