1) Scox has set a concrete deadline at least three times before.
2) Scox has followed this pattern more times than I can remember: they claim there is some huge news coming up at a future date, they build it up and build it up, then they miss the deadline - building the contraversy even more. Finally OMFG they actually did it - but it turns out to be some totally watered down version of what they said they would do. When it turns out to be a joke, the pop-media will forget all about scox's previous hype.
It reminds me of a carnival side-show: STEP RIGHT UP SEE THE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING ASTONDING LAWSUIT OF THE CENTURY!!!
- AIX license revocation - Showing the code in Las Vegas - Several "code showings" for that matter - The Vultus deal - First time they sold an IP license to a fortune 1000 company (August?)
>>Couldn't FSF(or the Linux authors) sue SCO now for breach of contract. They are distributing Linux under another thing
Are they? As I remember all the article said is that ev1 bought "a sco ip license" whatever that is. I don't remember the article specifically stated that it linux infringing code protection. I suppose any sort of software comes with some kind of ip license.
>>On the one hand, yes, they could just tell SCO to piss off, and spend the next few years in expensive litigation.>On the other hand, they could pay a bit now, and get a written guarantee from SCO to not sue.
Really? Sure about that? Scox loves to sue their customers. Sontag: "contracts are what you use against your customers." Scox can always make up some reason to sue a customer. When you have a contract with scox you are *much* more at risk of being sued by scox.
Besides, scox has absolutely no case. Go to court, don't bring a lawyer, tell the judge: "scox has absolutely no case."
To me the article looked like nothing but typical msft hype. Msft floods with pop-media with this cr@p.
I would have been interested to know *specifically* what problems Germany is having with Linux. I have no doubt that a move like that would be difficult. Vendor lock-in is what msft is all about, and msft is very good at it, has been for 20 years.
Are Germany's problems related to not being able to run msft apps? Or is it difficult for users to learn linux? Or is linux more difficult to administrate? Or something else?
When will the U.S. justice system get around to doing anything? 2006? Later? By then scox will be gone, and those who orchestrated the scam will be even wealthier.
It doesn't matter if you're doing something blantantly illegal, as long as you do so in a country with a hopelessly inept justice system.
Back in October, scox filed an absurd motion to dismiss the redhat case because scox cliam - in deference to overwhelming evidence - that scox would never threaten to sue linux users. The Delaware court has been sitting on the motion for all these months. See how easy it is to delay and get away with murder?
When I look at hotjobs, I see Raytheon has posted another 100 jobs again today. Funny thing is, Raytheon isn't hiring. Another funny thing is, Raytheon is still looking for a "NT Systems Admin" that job has posted several times every week for years - and I can assure you that here in Denver there are - at least - a few hundred unemployed people who are easily qualified for that job.
Qwest does the same thing. There are also hundreds of jobs from the U.S. Navy.
Qwest, Raytheon, and the U.S. Navy account for about 80% of the jobs posted. The rest are from those recruiting companies.
Point is: I strongly suspect that 9 out 10 jobs posted are not for real. These people are just collecting resumes "just in case."
I don't know how this cr@p works, but it's obvious that it's a joke.
It ain't the first one baby, baby it won't be the last:
1) Lie: SCO will revoke IBM's rights to sell, distribute, or use UNIX. Truth: SCO does not have the authority to revoke IBM's UNIX rights.
2) Lie: SCO will audit AIX users. Truth: SCO never did such an audit, and has no rights to do such an audit.
3) Lie: SCO owns C++. Truth: SCO may own a very old obsolete version called cfront.
4) Lie: The Berkeley Packet Filter code in Linux is "obfuscated" SCO code. Truth: Jay Schulist, who never had access to SCO code, implemented it from scratch.
5) Lie: We've gone in, we've done a deep dive into Linux, we've compared the source code of Linux with UNIX every which way but Tuesday Truth: Experts have shown that SCO used a simple, primitive text search based on a few keywords.
6) Lie: The IP protection legal team is on pure contingency Truth: The legal team is billing at a 2/3 discounted rate with the possibility of contingent commissions
7) Lie: We will show rock solid evidence at SCOForum in Las Vegas Truth: SCO was quickly shown to not have any ownership of the SCOForum evidence. The source code displayed at SCOForum might have been considered an honest mistake, if Sontag hadn't continued to dispute what was already irrefutably proven.
8) Lie: SCO's 2002 UNIX source release was "non-commercial" and excludes 32-bit code Truth: "The text of the letter, sent January 23, 2002, by Bill Broderick, Director of Licensing Services for Caldera [now SCO], in fact makes no mention of "non-commercial use" restrictions, does not include the words "non-commercial use" anywhere and specifically mentions "32-bit 32V Unix" as well as the 16-bit versions."
9) Lie: non-compete clause in the Novell agreement. Truth: no such clause.
10) Lie: SCO claims that Linux header files are "infringing code." Truth: The header files are provably original and are noncopyrightable in any event.
11) Lie: We have been off meeting for the last several months with large corporate Linux end users. The pipeline is very healthy there. Truth: The pipeline is empty. All inquiries have been to assess SCO's claims and liability exposure.
12) Lie: SCO's expert witnesses are "MIT Mathematicians". Truth: Among various backpedaling statements, Paul Hatch, a SCO spokesman, wrote in a statement to The Tech,"'To clarify, the individuals reviewing the code had been involved with MIT labs in the past, but are not currently at MIT." ither SCO lied to the public (saying they existed) or SCO lied to the court (saying they didn't exist).
16) Lie: Last August SCO claimed to have sold Linux licenses to a Fortune 500 company that was not MS or SUN. Truth: According to SCO's SEC filings, that never happend.
17) Lie: "several" other Linux license sales SCO has claimed to have made since the first. Truth: According to SCO's SEC filings, that never happend.
18) Lie: the introductory price for licenses that was to increase on Oct 15 Truth: Once again, SCO changed their minds.
19) Lie: SCO claimed it would file against RedHat for copyright infringment and conspiracy Truth: No such charges were filed
20) Lie: SCO was going to appeal the fine imposed in Germany. Truth: that never happend.
22) Lie: entire sales force selling Linux "licenses." Truth: no evidence of any "Linux licenses" being sold.
23) Lie: Invoices will be mailed to Linux users by October 15, 2003 Truth: No invoices were ever mailed.
24) Lie: SCO did not know of code additions. Truth: SCO was participant in process and many additions were made by SCO employees.
25) Lie: SCO received the D&T Fast 500 recognition because of the strong UNIX market, IP enforcement and the Web services strategy Truth: SCO made the list because of revenue growth due exclusively to
How about a knoppix without all the openoffice stuff, that is specifically designed to recover data from crashed PCs? There is a "super-recovery" live cdrom, but it's pretty old.
Or, how about a knoppix which searches a pc and a network for security vunerabilities? I think phlak linux is supposed to be sort of like that. But phlak linux doesn't work very well.
I would suggest that, by default, such versions boot to command line. If any gui, it should be lightweight, like fluxbox or something. I'm talking about something for pros.
>>Can we trust them to be fair and unbiased in their "research"?
Groklaw tries to publish all revelent legal documents and the like. When Groklaw published the transcripts for the Dec 5th hearing, do you consider it "biases" because Kevin McBride was so thoroghly out-classed?
is that msft usually tries to hide the funding. For example, a ziff-davis article comes out with a headline like: "Independent study shows linux has higher TCO than Windows." and you have to really dig to find the "independent" study was actually funded by msft.
If msft came and admitted right away that msft funded the study, I would have no problem with those bogus studies at all.
A tactic that I am coming across a lot is the repeated question.
For example:
Q. What is your greatest weakness?
A. Although I have a lot of experience with UNIX in general, I don't have any experience with HP-UX, and you are using HP-UX (btw: this was an absolutely honest answer . . ).
Q. Besides that, I mean . ..
A. (I made something up, I don't even remember what).
Q. Well yes, but besides that . ..
A. *sigh* I don't know, I can't think of anything.
The interviewer was not pleased with my answer, I didn't get the job. I don't know how many more times he planned to say "besides that I mean."
I often work for these contracting companies. They always want my resume in.doc format. I have tried to explain that rtf, html, or plain text, will work. Unfortunately, my attempt to explain, only seems to frighten, and confuse them.
If not for these clowns, I would have no reason to ever save a document in the.doc format. Unfortunately, I feel certain they will switch to the newest ms-office, and msft formats.
Darl: It is I, CEO Darl, and these are my knights of the Board of Directors. Whose castle is this?
France: This is the castle of my master, Guy de Mandrake.
Darl: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us money for infringing code, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Linux License.
France: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already got one, you see?
Darl: What?
Sontag: He says they've already *got* one!
Darl: (confused) Are you *sure* he's got one?
France: Oh yes, it's ver' naahs. (to the other soldierFrance:) I told 'em we've already *got* one!
(they snicker)
Darl: (taken a bit off balance) Well... ah, um... Can we come up and have a look?
France: Of course not! You are Lindon types.
Darl: Well, what are you then?
France: (Indignant) Ah'm French! Why do you think I have this out-rrrageous accent, you silly CEO?!
Kevin: What are you doing using Linux?
France: Mind your own business!
Darl: If you will not show us the Infringing Code, we shall take your castle by force!
France: You don't frighten us, Lindon pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "Darl Keeeng"! You and all your silly Lindon Knnnnnnnn-ighuts!!!
(the soldier proceeds to bang on his helmet with his hands and stick out his tongue at the knights, maCEO strange noises.)
Kevin: What a strange person.
Darl: (getting mad) Now look here, my good ma--
France: Ah don' wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food-trough wiper! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
Kevin: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
France: No!! Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!
(pause)
Darl: Now this is your last chance! I've been more than reasonable....
France: (to four other soldiers, standing behind him on the rampart) Fetchez la vache.
Other Soldier: qua?
France: Fetchez la vache!
(the other soldiers are seen leading a cow... mooing noises)
Darl: (continued)...if you do not agree to my commands, than I shall--
(Boing! The cow goes flying through the air over the rampart...
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1) Scox has set a concrete deadline at least three times before.
2) Scox has followed this pattern more times than I can remember: they claim there is some huge news coming up at a future date, they build it up and build it up, then they miss the deadline - building the contraversy even more. Finally OMFG they actually did it - but it turns out to be some totally watered down version of what they said they would do. When it turns out to be a joke, the pop-media will forget all about scox's previous hype.
It reminds me of a carnival side-show: STEP RIGHT UP SEE THE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING ASTONDING LAWSUIT OF THE CENTURY!!!
- AIX license revocation
- Showing the code in Las Vegas
- Several "code showings" for that matter
- The Vultus deal
- First time they sold an IP license to a fortune 1000 company (August?)
>>Couldn't FSF(or the Linux authors) sue SCO now for breach of contract. They are distributing Linux under another thing
Are they? As I remember all the article said is that ev1 bought "a sco ip license" whatever that is. I don't remember the article specifically stated that it linux infringing code protection. I suppose any sort of software comes with some kind of ip license.
>>On the one hand, yes, they could just tell SCO to piss off, and spend the next few years in expensive litigation.>On the other hand, they could pay a bit now, and get a written guarantee from SCO to not sue.
Really? Sure about that? Scox loves to sue their customers. Sontag: "contracts are what you use against your customers." Scox can always make up some reason to sue a customer. When you have a contract with scox you are *much* more at risk of being sued by scox.
Besides, scox has absolutely no case. Go to court, don't bring a lawyer, tell the judge: "scox has absolutely no case."
Judge: "scox, do you any case what-so-ever"
scox: "err, well . . . not just yet"
Judge: "case closed"
ev1 is not going against scox, ev1 is conspioring with scox, at least that's how I read it.
Apparently, a lot of people weren't happy with ev1 even before this:
http://ev1-sucks.com/nuke/
You should write to EV1 and let them know.
Or do I just have to adjust my tin-foil hat?
C as eStudy.asp?CaseStudyID=14464
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/casestudies/
To me the article looked like nothing but typical msft hype. Msft floods with pop-media with this cr@p.
I would have been interested to know *specifically* what problems Germany is having with Linux. I have no doubt that a move like that would be difficult. Vendor lock-in is what msft is all about, and msft is very good at it, has been for 20 years.
Are Germany's problems related to not being able to run msft apps? Or is it difficult for users to learn linux? Or is linux more difficult to administrate? Or something else?
What do I want this for? I'm okay with the present interface. What can I do with "XP reloaded" that I can't do now with XP-Pro?
Oh yeah, but the name is soooo cool. I can see myself wearing sunglasses and a black leather jacket while surfing for pr0n.
Why not make a home stereo that plays mp3s, and has a hard drive? A 20GB HDD would hold, what? 4000 songs?
Of course you could use your PC for this, but who wants their stereo clutered with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor?
Of course you would need a way to get the mp3s on the HDD. Network?
When will the U.S. justice system get around to doing anything? 2006? Later? By then scox will be gone, and those who orchestrated the scam will be even wealthier.
It doesn't matter if you're doing something blantantly illegal, as long as you do so in a country with a hopelessly inept justice system.
Back in October, scox filed an absurd motion to dismiss the redhat case because scox cliam - in deference to overwhelming evidence - that scox would never threaten to sue linux users. The Delaware court has been sitting on the motion for all these months. See how easy it is to delay and get away with murder?
When I look at hotjobs, I see Raytheon has posted another 100 jobs again today. Funny thing is, Raytheon isn't hiring. Another funny thing is, Raytheon is still looking for a "NT Systems Admin" that job has posted several times every week for years - and I can assure you that here in Denver there are - at least - a few hundred unemployed people who are easily qualified for that job.
Qwest does the same thing. There are also hundreds of jobs from the U.S. Navy.
Qwest, Raytheon, and the U.S. Navy account for about 80% of the jobs posted. The rest are from those recruiting companies.
Point is: I strongly suspect that 9 out 10 jobs posted are not for real. These people are just collecting resumes "just in case."
I don't know how this cr@p works, but it's obvious that it's a joke.
It ain't the first one baby, baby it won't be the last:
,"'To clarify, the individuals reviewing the code had been involved with MIT labs in the past, but are not currently at MIT." ither SCO lied to the public (saying they existed) or SCO lied to the court (saying they didn't exist).
1) Lie: SCO will revoke IBM's rights to sell, distribute, or use UNIX.
Truth: SCO does not have the authority to revoke IBM's UNIX rights.
2) Lie: SCO will audit AIX users.
Truth: SCO never did such an audit, and has no rights to do such an audit.
3) Lie: SCO owns C++.
Truth: SCO may own a very old obsolete version called cfront.
4) Lie: The Berkeley Packet Filter code in Linux is "obfuscated" SCO code.
Truth: Jay Schulist, who never had access to SCO code, implemented it from scratch.
5) Lie: We've gone in, we've done a deep dive into Linux, we've compared the source code of Linux with UNIX every which way but Tuesday
Truth: Experts have shown that SCO used a simple, primitive text search based on a few keywords.
6) Lie: The IP protection legal team is on pure contingency
Truth: The legal team is billing at a 2/3 discounted rate with the possibility of contingent commissions
7) Lie: We will show rock solid evidence at SCOForum in Las Vegas
Truth: SCO was quickly shown to not have any ownership of the SCOForum evidence. The source code displayed at SCOForum might have been considered an honest mistake, if Sontag hadn't continued to dispute what was already irrefutably proven.
8) Lie: SCO's 2002 UNIX source release was "non-commercial" and excludes 32-bit code
Truth: "The text of the letter, sent January 23, 2002, by Bill Broderick, Director of Licensing Services for Caldera [now SCO], in fact makes no mention of "non-commercial use" restrictions, does not include the words "non-commercial use" anywhere and specifically mentions "32-bit 32V Unix" as well as the 16-bit versions."
9) Lie: non-compete clause in the Novell agreement.
Truth: no such clause.
10) Lie: SCO claims that Linux header files are "infringing code."
Truth: The header files are provably original and are noncopyrightable in any event.
11) Lie: We have been off meeting for the last several months with large corporate Linux end users. The pipeline is very healthy there.
Truth: The pipeline is empty. All inquiries have been to assess SCO's claims and liability exposure.
12) Lie: SCO's expert witnesses are "MIT Mathematicians".
Truth: Among various backpedaling statements, Paul Hatch, a SCO spokesman, wrote in a statement to The Tech
16) Lie: Last August SCO claimed to have sold Linux licenses to a Fortune 500 company that was not MS or SUN.
Truth: According to SCO's SEC filings, that never happend.
17) Lie: "several" other Linux license sales SCO has claimed to have made since the first.
Truth: According to SCO's SEC filings, that never happend.
18) Lie: the introductory price for licenses that was to increase on Oct 15
Truth: Once again, SCO changed their minds.
19) Lie: SCO claimed it would file against RedHat for copyright infringment and conspiracy
Truth: No such charges were filed
20) Lie: SCO was going to appeal the fine imposed in Germany.
Truth: that never happend.
21) Lie: RedHat opposes software copyrights (Darl's open letter).
Truth: unlike SCO, RedHat respects copyrights.
22) Lie: entire sales force selling Linux "licenses."
Truth: no evidence of any "Linux licenses" being sold.
23) Lie: Invoices will be mailed to Linux users by October 15, 2003
Truth: No invoices were ever mailed.
24) Lie: SCO did not know of code additions.
Truth: SCO was participant in process and many additions were made by SCO employees.
25) Lie: SCO received the D&T Fast 500 recognition because of the strong UNIX market, IP enforcement and the Web services strategy
Truth: SCO made the list because of revenue growth due exclusively to
How about a knoppix without all the openoffice stuff, that is specifically designed to recover data from crashed PCs? There is a "super-recovery" live cdrom, but it's pretty old.
Or, how about a knoppix which searches a pc and a network for security vunerabilities? I think phlak linux is supposed to be sort of like that. But phlak linux doesn't work very well.
I would suggest that, by default, such versions boot to command line. If any gui, it should be lightweight, like fluxbox or something. I'm talking about something for pros.
"You get what you pay for?" The government? I guess those $400 toilet seats must be be something special.
Question: what one operating system has had 100 or maybe 1000 times more security problems than all other OSes combined? I'll give you one guess.
Would Comcast change the Disney name? I would hope not.
>>Can we trust them to be fair and unbiased in their "research"?
Groklaw tries to publish all revelent legal documents and the like. When Groklaw published the transcripts for the Dec 5th hearing, do you consider it "biases" because Kevin McBride was so thoroghly out-classed?
These books cost about $15, and there about 400 pages. Easily adequate for an intro course.
Why can't these books be used, at least at the community college level?
Actually, there are a lot standard bookstore type books which could be used for a lot of standard courses.
I don't understand why colleges don't use them.
is that msft usually tries to hide the funding. For example, a ziff-davis article comes out with a headline like: "Independent study shows linux has higher TCO than Windows." and you have to really dig to find the "independent" study was actually funded by msft.
If msft came and admitted right away that msft funded the study, I would have no problem with those bogus studies at all.
And if you're looking for a tech job, they are scanning for key words, i.e. JAVA, C/C++, UNIX, etc.
So forget the long verbose explainations, and the long explainations of your objectives and goals in life.
A tactic that I am coming across a lot is the repeated question.
.
.
For example:
Q. What is your greatest weakness?
A. Although I have a lot of experience with UNIX in general, I don't have any experience with HP-UX, and you are using HP-UX (btw: this was an absolutely honest answer . . ).
Q. Besides that, I mean . .
A. (I made something up, I don't even remember what).
Q. Well yes, but besides that . .
A. *sigh* I don't know, I can't think of anything.
The interviewer was not pleased with my answer, I didn't get the job. I don't know how many more times he planned to say "besides that I mean."
I often work for these contracting companies. They always want my resume in .doc format. I have tried to explain that rtf, html, or plain text, will work. Unfortunately, my attempt to explain, only seems to frighten, and confuse them.
.doc format. Unfortunately, I feel certain they will switch to the newest ms-office, and msft formats.
If not for these clowns, I would have no reason to ever save a document in the
France: 'Allo! 'Oo is it?
...if you do not agree to my commands, than I shall--
Darl: It is I, CEO Darl, and these are my knights of the Board of Directors. Whose castle is this?
France: This is the castle of my master, Guy de Mandrake.
Darl: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us money for infringing code, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Linux License.
France: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already got one, you see?
Darl: What?
Sontag: He says they've already *got* one!
Darl: (confused) Are you *sure* he's got one?
France: Oh yes, it's ver' naahs. (to the other soldierFrance:) I told 'em we've already *got* one!
(they snicker)
Darl: (taken a bit off balance) Well... ah, um... Can we come up and have a look?
France: Of course not! You are Lindon types.
Darl: Well, what are you then?
France: (Indignant) Ah'm French! Why do you think I have this out-rrrageous accent, you silly CEO?!
Kevin: What are you doing using Linux?
France: Mind your own business!
Darl: If you will not show us the Infringing Code, we shall take your castle by force!
France: You don't frighten us, Lindon pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "Darl Keeeng"! You and all your silly Lindon Knnnnnnnn-ighuts!!!
(the soldier proceeds to bang on his helmet with his hands and stick out his tongue at the knights, maCEO strange noises.)
Kevin: What a strange person.
Darl: (getting mad) Now look here, my good ma--
France: Ah don' wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food-trough wiper! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
Kevin: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
France: No!! Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!
(pause)
Darl: Now this is your last chance! I've been more than reasonable....
France: (to four other soldiers, standing behind him on the rampart) Fetchez la vache.
Other Soldier: qua?
France: Fetchez la vache!
(the other soldiers are seen leading a cow... mooing noises)
Darl: (continued)
(Boing! The cow goes flying through the air over the rampart...
Darl: Jesus Christ!
>>So when will SCO be lobbying God to stop all these bad things?
Who says they haven't already?
Scox dropped from $8 to $6 after novl made that statement. Scox forced novl to retract that statement the next day, and scox shot right back up.