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SCO Says They'll Sue A Linux User Tomorrow
Xenographic writes "InfoWorld is reporting that SCO intends to sue a Linux using company. Ordinarily, this would not be newsworthy, as they have not followed through on past threats. However, this time, they have given themselves a concrete deadline--tomorrow. While they claim that it will be one of the "top 1,000" companies, they apparently have yet to decide which company to actually sue. Perhaps they need more practice playing darts?" Reader Fished links to CNET's coverage.
I have three words for Darl McBride: Bring It On!
Peace and love, y'all
Sorry Google, your free ride is over. And in other news, the Miami Dolphins actually won a superbowl!
"But I'm still right here, giving blood and keeping faith. And I'm still right here."
The article starts:
The SCO Group on Tuesday will launch its first lawsuit against a Linux user for alleged violations of SCO's intellectual property, SCO Chief Executive Officer Darl McBride said Monday.
and continues a little later:
After consulting with its law firm, Boies, Schiller and Flexner, SCO has narrowed down its list of possible targets to a "handful" of the world's 1,000 largest corporations, McBride said. "We're going to file it tomorrow. It's sort of come down to a couple of complaints we have prepared," he said.
So when they sue an "end user", is it going to be an Executive in a Fortune 1000 company? Or an employee? I assumed "end user" meant your average Joe. They're just asking for trouble (as the article points out) if they sue someone in a Fortune 1000 company.
libertarianswag.com
They meant Linux-using companies.
I want to throw your notice in the trash.
Personally, I woulda sued... Well... Me.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
if Joe Sixpack LinuxLawnmower(tm) qualifies as a Top 1000 company.
In a digital world there can be only one..
The one, the only, MrDigital.
I pick Starbucks, for it is the hub of Dr. Evil's empire - and Scott (aka McBride) wants to get back at his father's transgression.
Either that or RedHat.
This space for rent.
Aaaaaah, fuck it, who am I kidding.
It's like shoveling jelly beans into your mouth at the candy store - sure, it rots your teeth out and you end up with diabetes, but it tastes so damned good you can't help yourself.
this whole SCO mess is really out of hand and absurd. They will be suing a Linux user for what? Using software legally? They haven't won their case with IBM. This is all just absolutely outrageous! They're suing someone based on what someone else did (and they haven't even proved that much in court). I hope the "victim" of SCO's suit couter-sues their asses into tomorrow.
Bored? Why not join a decent mess
This is Oh, shit time for Google...
What is SCO going to gain by suing a well known company? Nothing! All they are doing is setting themselves up for the worst countersuit. The suit SCO is going to bring against "teh Fortune 1000 company" is going to get stuck in court until the IBM/SCO suit is finished. Then and only then is this NEW suit going to be resolved. I hope for SCO's sake, everyone in that company has somewhere else to go.
- I'm not creative enough to have a sig.
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)... oops
Any company in the "Top 100" will just chew them up and spit them out!
Good luck SCO, you're gonna need it..
... Themselves.
Nevermind, thats a lawsuit they might actually win. Given their current record of idiocy and bad public relations, my guess is that it will be the the Pope
I can just see the headlines: "12 year old girl sued by SCO for using Linux!"
Yeah, it's SCO and nothing do makes much sense, but wouldn't it make more sense to wait for the ruling in their primary case against IBM so that they can have a concrete leg to stand on before going off and suing copyright violators without having a definite declaration of copyright ownership?
I have been pwned because my
...this is why Google delayed it's IPO?
DISCLAIMER: Complete and total speculation.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Dear Mr. McBride,
This is March, not April. Please refrain from wasting all of our good material until that time.
Thank you,
-Slashdot
~Dalcius
Rome wasn't burnt in a day.
I just dint get it , what do they think they are doing ? what I dont understand is they are alienating so many potential customers that spend money on their products , I'd have to think thats worth alot more money than sueing a few companies and some individuals ? i have no sig
i have no sig
using a random number generator to pick from one of the fortune 1000 companies.
Did he fire six court briefs, or only five? Tell 'ya the truth, in all of this excitement I've sort of lost track myself. But given that this is Free and Open Source Software community, the most powerful group of advocates, coders, and corporate lawyers on the planet, and would blow your company's revenue clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well do 'ya, punk?
As other have pointed out, EV1 can't comply with SCO's linux license and still get Redhat patches, so there is actually a case that SCO can win against them now.
actually DOING it instead of saying...
I'd like to see OSDN being sued for using Linux. Nice thread on Slashdot!
DNA in your Linux: DNALinux
I'll just be holding my breath over there, in the corner.
Gosh, I'm sure they're all broken up about the fact that this will distract from their quarterly earnings announcement the day after tomorrow.
Maybe, finally, SCO's claims will be exposed for the crock they are. Hopefully, doubtfully, this will expose the crock lawsuits that seem to pervade our country. But I'm not holding my breath. It seems far to many people forgot that this country was built on WORK, not sucking the blood of others. (But that invokes comments on many other subjects as well...mp3 traders, riaa, mpaa, corporate mentality)
What an odd legal precedence, why on earth aren't they just putting their legal case forward. Normally you just get sued, rather than being warned.
Why all the advertising i.e. 'Watch out we are going to sue someone.... it may just be you'.
To me it is just about trying to get people to sign up for their licensing scheme (Although giving them only one day is not much notice). IMHO it would be better not to sue a fortune 1000 company, those boys have deep pockets and large legal teams. It is like taking on Goliath.
This is NOT the best sig in the world, but this IS a tribute to the best sig in the world.
With much more prior notice we could have made this into a contest.
The sooner they do this, the sooner they can be crushed into oblivion, and the sooner Slashdot can go back to reposting "TV turns into a mirror" stories. I wonder what kind of cool stuff will be at the fire sale? Maybe an executive chair with Darl's buttprint on it?
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
OK now let me make sure I have all of this straight. Wednesday is the day the SCO quarterly non-earnings report will be released, which most likely won't be good news. So, on Tuesday, the day before the report is released, SCO makes a stock, I mean lawsuit announcement. Do I detect a pattern here?
Oh no! They can tell!
/me puts on his tin foil hat, uses 4096-bit encryption on his filesystem . . . makes another lame Soviet Russia joke.
MOUNT TAPE U1439 ON B3, NO RING
SCO didn't even write it but claim ownership to it.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
I'm a *BSD user and not a Linux user, but all this SCO vs Linux BS is just that, BS! What a crock of elephant dung - SCO seriously sux a**! I've had dreaded times of having to use it, fix it and support it - yuck! I don't know how they can still be in business especially with these threats.
Don't fight open source, explore the varieties and embrace it!
If they win, that'll bring about a huge change.
They are like a child desperate for attention. It's pathetic how far they go. But oddly amusing as well.
FuckTheFuckingFuckers.com - Post your th
Maybe it will be Slashdot because of all the anti-SCO feelings we have :-D
Always stepping on the little guy, makes me sick.
Better start thinking of personal insults to Darl and witty comments to tell the tech media.
Fortune 25 company, sells Linux on PCs (Lindows, Lycoris, Mandrake). Isn't an ISP or a tech company.
That's my best guess.
If it happens.
Hasn't yet.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
russian roulette with an unloaded bb gun?
man, I hope Dr. Phil's wife takes lavasoap and brushes the mouth of SCO's CEO, McBride.
Someone needs to charge SCO with raqueteering and extortion. SCO has made several claims, but has yet to offer proof, and it's own case has changed so much that it barely resembles the original case presented almost a year ago.
By suing a Linux end users, SCO is in effect trying to use courts to extort money. The definition of extort is "to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power". I cannot see the difference between SCO's actions, press releases and the running a criminal enterprise.
If they (SCO) truly wished to protect their IP, they would proceed with their case and quit stalling. The Linux community would respond, in defference to and in respect to an IP rights. I think that is the crux of SCO's problem, Linux would respond by respectfully removing any proven IP content. If they can extort money from people instead of actually proving their case, then the profit margin goes up. So what if extortion is illegal.
AngryPeoplePeopleRule
"Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
...rumor has it they could actually be lying about this whole thing!
I hope SCO decides to sue me. It will be so much fun, and I'll be able to retire on the proceeds for my countersuit for bringing frivolous claims.
I hope they sue me. I have nothing better to do, and my assets are virtually nil (though this latter point unfortunately makes me a less attractive target. Sigh, story of my life, ha ha.)
for example, what about those companies which have purchased and used sun appliances, specifically the cobalt line of products as a network edge appliance for email or webhosting? or what about linksys/cisco for that matter, for home networking? sco could choose any company in the white pages, and chances are, somewhere in the enterprise is a linux based appliance (if not at the enterprise location, perhaps at a home office...).
face it sco, linux is everywhere, and there are foundation companies which are using/deploying it(sun, ibm, novell, cisco, nokia) and threatening one of their end users with your pathetic attempts will only cause more companies to join the team against you.
give it up! you lost!
three can keep a secret, if two are dead - benjamin franklin
"Tomorrow never comes" Vitalstatistix
"After all... tomorrow is another day" Scarlett O'Hara
Oh, please, please, please, please, please. I want to win the litigation lottery. Damn, now that SCO is plush with Microsoft funds, having them pay for my whole defense and a slew of punitive costs should put me in Club Med much sooner than I had anticipated. Me, me, me, me, me!!! Sue me, SCO!! Sue me!!
if you own the beach property, do you own the sand and the water?
nobody owns the water! it's god's water.
what if somebody, like, walks on to your beach, right, let's say you do own it.
no man, you don't own the beach, well.. you own the sand.
what if there's a naked girl on the beach?
that girls not yours, you don't own the girl.
what if she breaks her foot on your property?
she could sue me. SUE ME, SUE ME!
http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html
The SCO Group has failed to put forward ANY substantial legal theory why the SCO Group should not be obligated to abide by the terms of the GPL.
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/sco/sco-without-fear
The SCO Group obligations under the GPL has been reiterated and reinforced in the legal positions of IBM, Redhat and Novell in their respective cases against the SCO Group.
It is a criminal offense to claim, with fraudulent intent, that you have a copyright if you do not. The SCO Group does *NOT* hold the copyrights to the UNIX source code. Novell has *NOT* transfered the title for the works that the SCO Group fraudulently filed for copyright in 2003. The SCO Group do not have the right to sue anybody for violation of copyright works without the assent of the title holder.
The SCO Group claims the right to sue for work in standard UNIX and POSIX interfaces that AT&T and Novell granted full rights to use royalty free in perpetuity for the ISO, ANSI and FIPS federal standards.
The SCO Group's contract claims against IBM and others based upon the AT&T license in respect to rights of so called derivative works is in direct contradiction to evidence presented to the SCO Group by Novell.
The SCO Group though the press and SEC filings, has bolstered the share price of the SCO Group based upon demonstrably false claims to the contrary of above points 1,2 and 3. The SCO Group CEOs and legal agents were notified by Novell and IBM *before* making these false claims and presenting them as fact. The actions of the SCO Group must be in violation of several SEC regulations.
So how is the lawsuit going to go if it gets to court?
Eben Moglen's Harvard Speech
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/p.cgi/speakers.html
The Transcript
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402260 03735733
Considering that I'm both a 12 year old girl and a Linux user, this doesn't fare well for me.
I can see it now... it'll be something like this:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/riaa-psa.html
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"Top 1000?"
Is this like one of those commercials where a company says "We're the leading provider of
Or perhaps they are going to sue themselves? I'd bet they would STILL get a stock boost off of that. Kind of like the old crazy guy who gets on the subway who gets more uneasy respect the more irrational he acts.
Imaginary Investor: "They're just crazy enough to make it happen - I'll really be bucking the trend if I go with them! And a whole bunch of other innapropriate cliches too!"
Ryan Fenton
IBM. And they're already in the process of getting their head handed to them.
Can we talk about something else now? Pretty please?
It's like arresting a scientist studying cocaine in the lab.
Damn, don't blame the users cause #include is found everywhere.
They're on record as a huge Linux user and advocate of IP protections for corporations.
My bet.. Bezos would settle if personally named in a suit.
I mean what better timing then the day of the quarterly earnings report then to have the counter suit filed against SCO by whomever they try to sue :)
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
Am I the only one out here who from time to time sends polite comments to SCO via this webform : http://www.thescogroup.com/company/feedback/index. html
Things along the lines of :
Go to hell
Hope you loose your lawsuit and go bust
etc.
I always keep it polite tough. I bet the guy who gets to read this junk is pretty used to comments like this.
ooo.
This is so exciting! I wonder if Dick Clark will come to my house to tell me if I win!
Who ever does win this honor will be lavished with attention, job offers, pro bono lawyers and scads of cash from the counter suit.
Where do I sign up?
--
Mike
-- Mike wildcard@illuminatus.org
haha
Torvalds. Linus Torvalds.
I just finished watchin RAW and the line-up for Wrestlemaia XX looks quite violent. But all the matches combined look like childs play to what a Fortune 1000 company can do to SCO. I mean, those guys server got roasted with MyDoom.A (the ones left after getting slashdoted almost every day), they are unpopular and they don't even have ANY evidence other than bunch of spaces in the kernel that wasn't even proved to be theirs....
Cheers,
RoadkillBunny
thats not as silly as it sounds. thier website hides behind a linux server
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
This
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
Now's certainly the time. Take a look at SCOX recent history.
If you know how to read stock trends, you can see this one is headed for the tank unless something very unforseen happens.
Sue Me!
Sue Me!
Sue Me!
Sue Me!
Me, Daryl!
Sue Me!
C'mon SCO gimme your best shot.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Something must be wrong with my browser. I mean, it's obvious that there's words in the article but all I see is "Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!"
What the HELL is going on? Why hasn't any govt. authorities put a stop to SCO yet? What exactly does SCO think they're doing?
They have NO case. We all know it. This would be like me tying up the legal system with a lawsuit against my neighbor because I chewed gum on a Thursday (aka Completely Utterly Frivolous).
It's a waste of our judicial system along with taxpayers' money. The federal govt along with any of these companies being sued by SCO should countersue the shit out of them. This is just stupid.
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
The company, Houston-based EV1Servers.Net has purchased site licenses from SCO for its two data centers for an undisclosed seven figure sum, according to SCO.
This has to be bullshit. There's no way that EV1 is going to pay 7 figures for a license from these pricks. They operate on a razor thin margin at $99 bucks per month per server. This is a bargin basement hosting facility. I call bullshit on this this statement. The price was probably:
$1,000,000 - License Fee
- $999,900 - Early Bird license discount.
___________
I want to see the additional 7 figures in the quarterly report. 7 figures my ass.
If you work for the "lucky" company that they sue then don't worry, you already have a licence. SCO have even been kind enough to keep a copy of it on their website for you :
http://sco.com/soss/info/gpl.html
They'll sue a user
Tomorrow
Bet your parity digit
That tomorrow
One'll be found!
SCO will find
Tomorrow
Someone running Linux
On their desktop
And they'll frown!
They've been stuck in a daze
Malaise
'Bout OpenSource
Now they'll file their briefs
Cry "Thiefs!'
'Til Hoarse.....
Oh!
The suit will be filed
Tomorrow
Darl will have his kilo of geek
Come tomorrow
So he'll say......
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
He'll sue them Tomorrow!
It's always
A day
A way!
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
I'm waiting for someone to post that goddamn redundant Chewbacca defense again.
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Never criticize religion on Slashdot. You will be modded down for "Troll" no matter how factual it is.
Not so surprisingly, both the Daryl McBride of SCO and Jack Valente of the MPAA (and formerly of the RIAA) held a press conference today, revealing to the world today that they are both infact love-children of Satan. Neither "anti-christ" nor their father were available for comment.
YeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhHHHH!!!!!!!
Please help publicise swpat.org - the software patents wiki
Where do they get the lists of companies that are using Linux? Do they just call up their IT departments as say "Hey guy, do you run Linux over there?" Or is there a published list somewhere?
This is gettig absolutely ridiculous. SCO have become complete clowns. I mean what should we expect next?
"SCO threatens to kill cute little fuzzy kittens tomorrow"
or
SCO promises to push your grandmother down stairs tomorrow"
They are just looking more and more like weird bullies with no PR team, no common sense, and no chance of ever looking like a legitimate company again. Hopefully pretty soon the whole world will begin to see them as the joke they are making themselves.
If you read just below the article, you'd find a few interesting links to follow:
.NET Development Platform Delivers 25% Lower Development and Support Costs Than j2EE/Linux (white paper)
White papers, Webcasts and case studies about operating systems More results
* WinTel Server 10 Times Less Expensive to Operate Than Linux Mainframe_Benchmark Study (white paper)
Microsoft
* Make the Case: Business Case Template for Migrating to Microsoft Windows* Server 2003 on the IBM xSeries* Servers with Intel(R) Itanium(R) 2 Processor or Intel(R) Xeon(TM) Processor MP (white paper)
IBM
* Lower Windows Staffing Costs Provide a TCO Advantage Over Linux (white paper)
Microsoft
White papers, Webcasts and case studies about linux More results
* Microsoft
Microsoft
* WinTel Server 10 Times Less Expensive to Operate Than Linux Mainframe_Benchmark Study (white paper)
Microsoft
* IBM DB2 Universal Database for Linux and SAP Standard Application Benchmarks (white paper)
IBM
Go Figure
If only the terrorist's next big attack was on SCO headquarters, then they might actually be a bit beneficial to us ;)
Really. I mean it. I have Linux running on two computers. I'm working a crappy low paying job so could really use the great publicity the lawsuit would bring.
Come on. I dare you.
I double dare you!
You pussies.
-- Will program for bandwidth
If SCO sued an end user, that would make that person an instant celebrity. That person would be more famous than the American Idol...
rrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ok, so I'm not howard dean
Today, the Santa Cruz Operation (Nasdaq: SCOX) has sued the worlds largest search engine, google. In a marked turn of events, however, The New York Times has discovered that Google infact utilizes a version of Caldera linux downloaded directly from the SCO Website.
Pressing forward, however, SCO CEO Darl McBride defiantly stated, "We don't care if they're using our own code, that doesn't change that it is illegal." He then announced that he was upping Googles damages from 100 million dollars to 500 million. As he was leaving the press conference room, several men wearing T-Shirts bearing the linux 'Tux' logo ran up to the stage and pantsed him.
-AP Wire
Looks like SCOX is getting a little low, time for some more FUD to prop up the stock price. Sigh.
Boies, Schiller and Flexner is rep IBM.
ROTFLMFAO *wiping tear*
*wiping tear*
giggle giggle...
SNORT..........LMFAO!!!!!
sorry...
"You get all the fun of sitting still, being quiet, writing down numbers, paying attention...science has it all."
Because you don't need a SCO license to use a product they already released under GPL.
what if sco was a naked woman on the beach?
...SCO decides to sue a End-User and that user is you, what would you do? I know that they have not much money, bu they still have more money than you.
Cheers,
RoadkillBunny
With any luck, you'll pick someone with deep pockets that will have you for lunch, chew you up, and spit you out. All that will be left is a bad aftertaste, and even that will fade over time.
Andrew Davis Linux User and Linux Installer 2442A Sacada Circle Carlsbad, CA 92009 760-632-0770 andrew@nccomp.com
To whom it may concern:
I am guilty as charged. In fact, I deserve to be sued more than any other Linux user. I have installed over 1,000 Linux systems in the last 5 years. I run and manage over 200 at this present time. I routine tell people to use Linux and Open Source software because its free. Recently, I've been advising people to tell SCO to "go f... themselves". I am guilty as charged. Please sue me!
Every time I invest in a company, its stock goes down. The more money I put in a company, the worse it gets.
I think that I should put some money into SCO. Once their stock starts to go down, other investors will start to sell off too. This will begin a downward spiral that cannot be interrupted until I take my money out.
Ergo, SCO becomes bankrupt and the world becomes a happy place once again.
SCO is either:
a) Going to pass this by, probably with a lot of angry geeks and scared company CEOs. Watch as their target "bought a license at the last minute" and they don't even disclose who it is.
b) Sue someone, get laughed out of court while trying to hold it as long as they can, and die anyway. Stealing people's money in the process for their license fees. Hopefully, the SEC will get off their ass and stop them.
I hate SCO as good as the rest but I wonder if investing in SCOX early tommorow morning would be a good bet.
.50-.75 cents?
Purchase early at 12.27 before the announcement of suing some company.
Wait for the announcement expecting FUD buying by the uninformed wall street market. Then Sell it. Wouldnt news like this raise it
Not that I have enough money to make a decent profit off of this. Oh well.
Veramocor
Here in Australia, it's already tomorrow!
...you are already a SCOG customer. From the CNET article:
"The first target will be a company that has a Unix license from SCO already, giving SCO some contractual leverage in the case. McBride said. In addition, the suit will involve copyright infringement claims."
Darl continuies to make it obvious that the worse possible decision a company can make is do business with him.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Hmmm, and EV1's largest competitor would be? From SCO's perspective, it would mean hitting a few thousand birds with one stone. EV1 then swoops in, and tells potential clients that they are safe with them. Before the dust settles, EV1 might make a good return on their investment. Sleezy, but since when did that have anything to do with business?
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
In other words, I don't think they'll do anything.
--<Mike>--
What will happen first? A lawsuit from SCO or a DDos against SCO?
Thoughts anyone?
That, or they could be trying the Kazaa trick.
The idea is, they can't possibly win, but they can attract lots and lots of attention to themselves because they can drag out the trial ad infinitum. By suing someone really big who people expect would have a strong case instead of someone small, people will apply the false analogy that SCO has a strong case and can win lots of cash.
I've heard many older folks repeatedly say that "trading music is okay now", because they've conflated the idea that Kazaa sued the RIAA with the idea that there happen to be legal places to buy music online. SCO is hoping that they can scum up the same type of conflation: "SCO is suing IBM for using that bad, bad linux thing (the one we saw on those IBM commercials), and Microsoft says Linux is bad..., and we use Windows at home... and..."
Isn't extortion illegal in United States of America?
It is on my country.
Failing that, I actually hope that Sun gets sued just to shut the tinfoil hat types up who think that Sun is somehow behind SCO's evil plot.
Seriously. Their stock is dropping.
http://financyahoo.e.com/q?s=SCOX
SCO is not a software company. It's a publicly traded lawsuit. They've delayed and delayed and delayed too long with IBM and the truth is getting out. If they don't start another lawsuit their entire business model is threatened.
How about those outfits that actually ship a prduct with linux onboard/embeded... TiVo anyone?
Yes, but whats that got to do with the price of tea in D'ni?
Tomorrow is the day! Oh boy!!! I expect that they'll flaunt this in a way to maximize earnings off the event: Most likely in a Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes Superbowl Surprise fashion. You know, after ending a 3 hour Tech TV special on SCO's immense contributions to Linux, it'll start with a live shot from a helicopter following the official SCO van, driving to the residence of our lucky geek. Then, as Darl gets out of the van, it cuts to a ground shot. "Shhhhhh..." Darl says, holding his mic while walking up the sidewalk to the front door. Yes Darl, we're quiet - I'm even holding my breath I'm so excited! After they knock, the geek's mother opens the door. She's so excited, she can hardly speak - or maybe that's because the police have already knocked her out with a stun gun for her complicity? We don't pause long here though - the main event awaits. They proceed into the basement, where our humble geek is caught like a Dorrito-eating, Mountain Dew-drinking deer in headlights! Surprise! After this technologically capable man puts on some pants and washes his hands, Darl shakes the man's hand as he passes to the geek the giant check. Next, Darl gives him the giant pen, which our winner uses to write SCO a check of $699. After a quick photo-op it's over - the credits roll, the sheer abruptness with which the event has come to pass leaving you breathless.
Nerds rejoice! Tomorrow all our questions shall be answered!!!
-sm
That means... drum-roll please... we have a chance (1/280,000,000) it's the same plump 12 year old chick who got busted by the RIAA!
Imagine seeing her next superbowl? "Hi, I'm totally fucked over and never touching a computer again. Choose Franklin Covey(R), the best choice in paper organizers."
Adding insult to injury, SCO is making Linux licenses available for purchase by end users who are using other Linux distributions. It would be beautiful if someone launched a countersuit for this absurd manipulation of legal uncertainty.
the mcbrIDES of March???
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. Emo Philips
The 7-figure sum was bothering me for a while. What idiot would give SCO more than a million dollars for a worthless license? It could just be a lie, of course, but one way for it to be "true" is if EV1 signed a long-term contract that's worth a total of $1 million over the life of the contract. After all, that's how football players' contracts are publicized -- it makes them sound bigger and more exciting.
EV1 might have agreed to pay SCO $1/year for the next million years, for all we know.
Added URL: Adding insult to injury, SCO is making Linux licenses available for purchase by end users who are using other Linux distributions. It would be beautiful if someone launched a countersuit for this absurd manipulation of legal uncertainty.
Hey now, I submitted this article! ;]
Surely I get some precidence here?
*wonders if they would really try to sue him for "defamation" or some other silly, trumped-up claim*
I can see it now...
"But your honour, we did not play darts to decide who to sue. As you can clearly see, we drew names out of a hat! Thus Xenographic's statement was materially false and defamatory!!!"
That said, if not for the "top 1,000" bit, I'd almost wonder if they intended to sue Slashdot (or Groklaw, for that matter... I mean, PJ has admitted to using Knoppix, which is probably high treason in SCOville...)
who better to sue than Linus.
I hope they don't take a tip from the RIAA. They could end up suing a 78-year-old grandmother who owns a Mac.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
microsoft bought 8 million dollars in licenses immediately after SCO started making accusations. so billg is in the clear.
An update update at the news.com article link:
"The first target will be a company that has a Unix license from SCO already, giving SCO some contractual leverage in the case. McBride said."
I would think that no disclaimer can get you out of trouble if it is found out that you sold someone something that was not yours to sell. If and when SCO loses their case against ibm and quite possibly loses to Novell as well then their claims on Linux will be false. (as if they were not already) If I go out and sell licenses on Microsoft software in addition to the ones companies already have and later it is proven that I have no right to sell such licenses then those companies have the right to get their money back or I am very likely in criminal law territory for fraud. No contract between two private parties can render a person or company immune from criminal liability and in the case of fraud such as selling something that is not yours to sell, the contract would be void anyways. IANAL but those half dozen big companies are big enough to convince the justice dept to send SCO's officers to prison for fraud when the time comes. Darl may very well end up where he belongs, well at least in club fed.
"McBride said the arrangement with EV1Servers.net is perpetual and that SCO doesn't offer companies their money back if courts later find SCO's claims baseless. It will bring in revenue that will be material to SCO's financial results, he added."
SCO will sue itself... and loose of course!
A CEO buys an SCO/Linux license.
A casino using Linux for video poker machines or something. McBride could really use a friendly talk with Richardo just about now/.
if sco accidentally sued ev1, talk about comedy.
lose != loose
"While they claim that it will be one of the "top 1,000" companies, they apparently have yet to decide which company to actually sue. Perhaps they need more practice playing darts?"
Seems to me that SCO has been playing lawn darts for some time, and poor Daryl has been struck in the head numerous times because of it!
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
Interviewer begins to droop.
<monotone>...and of course, President Bush has not shown the, uhhhhhhhhh, leadership that we expect from a Commander-In-Chief on this issue...</monotone>
Interviewer nods off.
<monotone>...and, uhhhhhhhh, obviously, SCO has not shown that they have a case and I think they're clearly wrong... </monotone>
Audience nods off.
<monotone>...but SCO has clearly shown the leadership to...</monotone>
Both audience and interviewer have dangerously weak heartbeats.
<monotone>...my record is clear in that I believe in the SCO case and, uhhhhhhh...</monotone>
Most members of the audience are clinically dead. The interviewer is sprawled on the floor.
<monotone>...those who would question my patriotism by implying that my position has changed on this matter...</monotone>
Temperature reaches absolute zero as all atomic motion stops.
<monotone>...which is, uhhhhhhh, why I think I will be your next President. My Vietnam war heroism makes it clear that, uhhhhhh...</monotone>
OSDN!!! O wait..... they said Top 1000, damn, nm.......
1) Scox has set a concrete deadline at least three times before.
2) Scox has followed this pattern more times than I can remember: they claim there is some huge news coming up at a future date, they build it up and build it up, then they miss the deadline - building the contraversy even more. Finally OMFG they actually did it - but it turns out to be some totally watered down version of what they said they would do. When it turns out to be a joke, the pop-media will forget all about scox's previous hype.
It reminds me of a carnival side-show: STEP RIGHT UP SEE THE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING ASTONDING LAWSUIT OF THE CENTURY!!!
- AIX license revocation
- Showing the code in Las Vegas
- Several "code showings" for that matter
- The Vultus deal
- First time they sold an IP license to a fortune 1000 company (August?)
Let's see, Darl said this on Monday. Does that mean SCO is going to sue a
Linux user on February 31, then?
According to the article, they don't refund.
I'd like to see that hold up in court.
What a bunch of sore losers!!
To whom the bell tolls.
That in two weeks we will read the headline "SCO (Finnally) Sues Linux User" and under it "was-the-first-one-lost-in-the-mail dept."
This signature was left intentionally blank.
You fail it.
It isn't that easy. If SCO files suit, whether or not you have a relationship with them doesn't matter at all. If you are properly served, and don't show up on the court date, guess what....
They win.
End of story. Whomever they sue will have to respond.
of corse its going to be linus
This should be fun...
1. Assuming said Fortune 1000 company claims to have purchased the Linux distribution in good faith, liability lies with the vendor.
2. Surely evidence supporting the suit must be provided? There is no admissable evidence that there is SCO IP in Linux, and won't be until the IBM case is settled. SCO are just blowing smoke.
I can't decide if their antics are funny, or just sad.
Bzzzzzt..."AAAAaaaaarrrgh!!!" Thud.
If someone had the time, and investigative knack we could probably work out who they are going to sue, or at least who the handful of companies are.
They say they are going to sue a user who is an International top 1000 company.
So we have our first sub-set of all companies.
Next we ask who of these is likely using Linux. Some industries are less likely than others to have wholesale roleouts of Linux. I am thinking it may be a telecommunications company they are targetting. So our set of targets is now smaller again.
Next, we ask who is it that would fit all of these criteria and would be within a jurisdiction that SCO could sue them in. i.e. It won't be Deutsche Telecom, or Siemens (or any other German company). So now we are talking about U.S. companies as most likely.
I think with this in hand that list of top 1000 international companies has to be down to a handfull by now.
Anyone care to flesh this out with some real investigations?
Got some bad news here. I just checked my dictionary and there appears to be two definitions of "tomorrow":
tomorrow (n.)
1: the day after the present
2: future 1a
We know how SCO loves to catch us with these annoying second definiton meanings...
InfoWorld is reporting that SCO intends to sue a Linux using company. Ordinarily, this would not be newsworthy...
Every single time that SCO has threatened a customer (with or without a deadline), it's been reported here in Slashdot. Since "ordinarily" it would not be reported, we must conclude that these announcements have coincidentally been exceptional. The odds are so low that every such announcement has been exceptional that I must conclude that God is on SCO's side and therefore Linux is doomed (not even the devil will help, since he's likely partial to BSD).
I hope that Slashdot editors understand that with great power comes great responsibility. Now I must question my faith since it appears that, while there is an all-powerful diety, he's one of the bad guys, fighting on the side of proprietary software, frivolous lawsuits and the monopolies that fund them.
I'd hate to think that this bleak metaphysical outlook is due only to haphazard diction on the part of the editor.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
Twas the night before SCOXmas
And all through the courthouse
Not a creature was stirring
Not even a SCO louse.
Well, except for the four SCO assholes trying to sneak in through the back in standard 2-by-2 formation.
I've found a way to make money without developing a product or service. ...
What is it, then?
We sue a Linux user tomorrow.
Sue a Linux user?
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
What's this, then?
It's a way to eat cheese and bread without having to touch the cheese. I call it the 'Cheese Sandwich'.
Cheese Sandwich? Brilliant!
Brilliant!
You've already used the mail, Darl. You qualify for the RICO ACT. Enjoy your stay in the federal "Pound-me-in-ass" prison.
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Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act
TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I--CRIMES
CHAPTER 96--RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS
Sec. 1961. Definitions
As used in this chapter--
(1) ``racketeering activity'' means (A) any act or threat
involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery,
extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled
substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the
Controlled Substances Act), which is chargeable under State law and
punishable by imprisonment for more than one year; (B) any act which
is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18,
United States Code: Section 201 (relating to bribery), section 224
(relating to sports bribery), sections 471, 472, and 473 (relating
to counterfeiting), section 659 (relating to theft from interstate
shipment) if the act indictable under section 659 is felonious,
section 664 (relating to embezzlement from pension and welfare
funds), sections 891-894 (relating to extortionate credit
transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity
in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating
to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices),
section 1084 (relating to the transmission of gambling information),
section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), section 1343 (relating to
wire fraud), section 1344 (relating to financial institution fraud),
section 1425 (relating to the procurement of citizenship or
nationalization unlawfully), section 1426 (relating to the
reproduction of naturalization or citizenship papers), section 1427
(relating to the sale of naturalization or citizenship papers),
sections 1461-1465 (relating to obscene matter), section 1503
(relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to
obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to
the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512
(relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant),
section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or
an informant), section 1542 (relating to false statement in
application and use of passport), section 1543 (relating to forgery
or false use of passport), section 1544 (relating to misuse of
passport), section 1546 (relating to fraud and misuse of visas,
permits, and other documents), sections 1581-1588 (relating to
peonage and slavery), section 1951 (relating to interference with
commerce, robbery, or extortion), section 1952 (relating to
racketeering), section 1953 (relating to interstate transportation
of wagering paraphernalia), section 1954 (relating to unlawful
welfare fund payments), section 1955 (relating to the prohibition of
illegal gambling businesses), section 1956 (relating to the
laundering of monetary instruments), section 1957 (relating to
engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified
unlawful activity), section 1958 (relating to use of interstate
commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire), sections
2251, 2251A, 2252, and 2260 (relating to sexual exploitation of
children), sections 2312 and 2313 (relating to interstate
transportation of stolen motor vehicles), sections 2314 and 2315
(relating to interstate transportation of stolen property), section
2318 (relating to trafficking in counterfeit labels for
phonorecords, computer programs or computer program documentation or
packaging and copies of motion pictures or
"Do you expect me to talk!?"
"No, Mr. Torvalds, I expect you to pay your license fee! MUAHAHAHA HA HA... heh... hm..."
No, it just doesn't work. Most of the Bond villians had viable business plans. SCO is just about as ridiculous as a Bond movie though, I'll give you that.
Bush would say:
It's clearly stated who they will sue, right here, on this blank sheet of paper. You see it? Right there, with my military history. That's right.
Anyone got a gallon of gas for $25? I know we're in Iraq but gas is expensive, right Halliburton?
As long as the US justice system prefers to look the other way, scox wins. It doesn't matter if scox is right or wrong. This is just a smash-and-grab, and it's working.
Sure, there is a slam-dunk case against scox. Of course scox won't win in the long run. What does that have to do with anything?
JWBOATILAM!
The Chewbacca defense is perfectly logical compared to SCO's legal strategy.
"I think so, Brain, but 'instant karma' always gets so lumpy." - Pinky
"Decepticons FOREVER!!!" - Ravage
Do not trust the shover lawyer! He is malfunctioning. We are here to protect you. Pushing will protect you from the terrible secret of Linux.
Here's an interesting page listing the Fortune 1000 and their domain registrars.
...or at the very least leaving the cents in.
A million Yen is USD$9700, a million Lire is USD$643. If they are dollars, it'll be Jamaican Dollars giving USD$16,000 all up.
Longshot, but I'll bet this is how it plays:
Fortune 1000? SCO licensee?
They sue Microsoft.
Microsoft admits guilt, handing SCO a victory, a war chest to assault the GPL until kingdom come, and the all important "judicial precedent".
Bets, anybody?
Boycott everything - they're all trying to fuck you one way or another
Counter sue SCO, get your lawsuit combined with their Lawsuits against IBM. Then you just have to wait for the gravy train to come in.
Suing a group that stands to gain by losing the lawsuit would be a shrewd move. It would give SCO greater ability to set the stage for a setting a precedent favorable to SCO.
However, the shrewdest move would be to sue a company holding the "information wants to be free" line religiously. It is often easy to win the court's favor when your opponent is holding an absurd ideal with religiour fervor. The worst thing would be to sue a well respected company with shrewd leadership, as they are likely to punch real legitimate holes in the SCO case.
to halt the worrying trend of the SCO stock price. Down, down, down she goes.
I downloaded Linux from SCO's FTP site.
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
Anyone remember when Bart and Lisa Simpson said there was a badger in the dog house? Homer sticks his head in while assuring the kids it's just a nice doggy.
Now SCO... Why would a nice dog house have any lawyers in it. There's no lawyer in there. See? ? Arghghghh (expletives deleted) D'Oh!
BP is right. This is just speeding the fine SCO down the highway to hell, though I'm not sure why we're not standing on the road cheering them. You know like the French do for Lance Armstrong. Go Faster. Faster.
Their strategy seems like invading Russia while fighting a war in Europe. (One of the 3 classic blunders)
Developing Retail Point-of-Sale Software
Watch (RealMedia), Listen (Speex codec), Or just Read (HTML text) and become more informed.
Here is a little lawsuit we wrote
You might want to read it code for code
SCO worried, Geeks happy..
In every court we have some trouble
When you got IBM on your back it's double
SCO worried, Geeks happy........
Ain't no way to take back what we said
We slept in it, now we have to make our bed
SCO worried, Geeks happy
The land lord say our rent is late
The irony is, he may have to litigate
SCO worried, Geeks happy
Look at me I'm unhappy
SCO worried, Geeks happy
The press got ahold of my phone number
Nonstop pissed off people call me
Makes Slashdot so, happy
SCO worried, Geeks happy
Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style
Ain't got no code, makes you smile
SCO worried, Geeks happy
We doing nothing but worry
Our stockholders faces all frown
And that will bring our stock price down
So don't worry, SCO's unhappy....
There is this little company summons we wrote
I hope you tear it apart code by code
Like good little Slashdotters
SCO worried, Geeks happy
Listen to what I say
In your life don't expect no trouble
But when a company drives you to worry
DDOS them on he double
SCO worried, Geeks happy......
Don't worry just do it, be happy
Put a smile on your face
Bring our website down like this
Don't worry, we're almost bankrupt and this nonsense will pass
SCO worried, Geeks happy
SCO worried, Geeks happy
Yo Grark
Canadian Bred with American Buttering
Over ____ Users Sued
Table-ized A.I.
..is if SCO actually goes through with this and sues someone: Where are they going to find impartial jurors?
*Everyone* with enough technical background to fully understand the issue has been following this case in the news and lets face it: Most programmers have a pet OS. We're not the most impartial bunch.
Anyone without the IT backround could potentially be fooled by the silver-tongued army of SCO lawyers.
Stack overflow: pid 352258, proc httpd, addr 0x11f7ffff0, pc 0x12000195c Segmentation fault (core dumped)
Pick me!!! ;)
Ok, I'm not a top 1000 company, but who knows what I might buy after I win the counter lawsuit for illegal suing. I was thinking on buying SCO with their money, then I would own all their IP and I would "take on the world" (tm).
Oh, I know that it doesn't make sense, but you will understand later.
"Civis Europaeus sum!"
Any one know Darl's address? I would love to go and find out what LDS chruch he goes to and .... hehehe
or better yet, if he is ever sustianed I can raise my hand in opposition and as my argument agienst him claim that he is illegally extorting money from buisnesses.
Ahh I can only dream.......
They never said exactly *WHICH* Tuesday they were referring to.
Maybe they meant next Tuesday, or a year from now (which would be a Tuesday).
Saying on Monday that an announcement will come on Tuesday is the furthest thing from a Deadline that there is.
Not that I think SCO should be able to get away with this sort of thing, but they've been so full of bullshit since this fiasco began that it wouldn't suprise me if this was the case.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
I hope it's not me, I just installed slackware!
Mix the failings of Usenet with the shortcomings of the World Wide Web and the result is slashdot.
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Why put off for tomorrow what can be done today?
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
The only Linux using company that is not like to kick their ass in court is... SCO. I predict that tomorrow, in a brilliant PR move, SCO will SUE THEMSELVES for using Linux! A case in which they will almost certainly prevail!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
pleeeease don't...i hate doing GCS tests on unconscious people, even when i know the mechanism of injury.
If opportunity came disguised as temptation, one knock would be enough.
3^2 * 67^1 * 977^1
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Have read them before, and make a lot of sense. My point was (sorry, I made a lot of spelling mistakes in there...I'm too tired) to capture what SCOX would say. That is, they will try to delay the death sentence. IMHO, they will NOT accept to honor the GPL, and they will not say they are infringing copyrights. The only possible alternative is to try to say: hey, the abused my IP as well, lets settle this in some way (although yes, that's impossible and ridiculous...but who knows what SCOX may do, they do not follow logic, they are in the circus market)
unfinished: (adj.)
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Maybe all factual, but well-written and at least to an extent informative.
Please sue me.
I sell Linux.
I have 50+ machines running Linux here at my home office.
And I'm going to sell the hell of of Linux.
Lots and lots of Linux. To every one, their grandma and their dog.
If you want to take me on, contact me.
A quick look at SCO's stock might explain this recent announcement. Their shareholders can't unload their shares at the same price they did a few months ago. The stock has been steadily taking a dive. I would hope, in correllation to people in the financial community slowly realizing they're on a big wild goose chase.
Just some thoughts..
I wonder how much of this "license" money SCO will pay to Novell. Given the existing agreements where SCO pay Novell 95%, will novell see any of this money ?
If they dont, will they sue SCO for it ?
Given EV1 reportedly paid over 6 digits for their "pukka" licenses, this could get interesting if Novell file a claim for a share of the license money.
SCO seems to *have* to sue, else their share prices will drop.
I wonder if the FSF will sue sco for distributing GPL code, and then claiming license money.
I also wonder if Linux developers can sue SCO.
Here : Fine Over There : Cloudy Hell : Six inches of snow And what's that flying past the fifth story window. A pig
I think this internet thing sounds like a good idea
my bet is on Tivo or Google
For those of you with too much time on your hands, and wishing to explore the excellent possibilities of suing yourself, may I recommend to you "A Frolic of His Own" by the most excellent William Gaddis, alas recently deceased.
When you've gobbled that up, read "JR" --- but tape your ribs first, because you will laugh hard enough to break them.
- Inspector Lopez
Which Linux user is SCO going to sue next?
Google
Yahoo
WalMart
EV1Servers.net
Microsoft (oh the irony)
State of California
U.S. Government
A 12 yr old girl
Cowboyneal
this sounds more like a ransom demand than a legal strategy.
I'd say SGI. SCO said it was someone with a UNIX license and will include copyright claims. SGI did have that little triffle with the memory code that was written for an arch that was never actually sold and thus never compiled into binary form and run on a real piece of hardware.
SGI is also a Linux contributor, and McBride once said that they'll have their day in court with SGI (or words to that effect).
Ho-dean actualy ran FreeBSD. At least according to slashdot
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
sue me! sue me! sue me! sue me! sue me!
chickens you don't dare to sue me! sue me!
sue me! sue me! sue me! i'm a linux user!
come on and sue me! sue me! sue me!
darl? darl ? darl are you there?
In following with McBrides incredible
ability to shoot his dumb a$$ in the foot,
I'd almost expect it to be Transmeta.
Or one of the markets (NYSE / NASDAQ)...
But.
But? But what if the whole thing's for show, and TSG intend to go down in flames? Perhaps in exchange for golden parachutes all around from someone. Pull a name out of my ass at random, say it's Microsoft?
Looked at that way, their actions make more sense. Sick sense, yes, but lots more of it.
Zehn kleine UNIX Zeilen
Reicht man ein zur Klage.
Die eine die auf griechisch war,
War leider viel zu vage.
Neun kleine UNIX Zeilen
Sollten es begrunden.
Die eine war trotz groBter Muh'
In LINUX nicht zu finden.
Acht kleine UNIX Zeilen
Dienten zum Beweise.
Die eine war aus BSD,
Pech fur Anwalt Heise.
Sieben kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Kamen vor Gericht.
Die eine war 'ne Fehlernummer,
Die taugte dazu nicht.
Sechs kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Sollten es belegen.
Doch eine kam zur GPL
Durch SCO Kollegen.
Funf kleine UNIX Zeilen
Waren noch dabei.
Die eine kam von einem Band
Mit Aufschrift System Drei.
Vier kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Doch eine, sonderbar,
Gehorte nicht zum dem Programm,
Sie war ein Kommentar.
Drei Kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Waren das Problem.
Eine war zwar System Five,
Doch kam von IBM.
Zwei kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Waren noch geblieben.
Die eine war schon reichlich alt
Und kam von System Sieben.
Eine kleine UNIX Zeile
Wurde angefuhrt.
Die hatte Linus Torvalds selbst
Am Anfang programmiert.
Ohne eine UNIX Zeile
Kann SCO nichts machen.
Doch eines muss man zugestehn:
Wir hatten was zu lachen.
Schlussbemerkung:
Hier zeigt sehr schon ein Kinderlied,
Warum McBride die Wahrheit mied.
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It will definately be either Google, or a firewall manufacturer.
Why ?
Microsoft has made big noises lately about moving into the search engine space, and also made noises about an impending firewall product.
SCO, taking orders from above, will target the competion in these areas, hoping to tie them up in court for ages, so that Microsoft can enter these markets with reduced competition.
You dont even need a tinfoil hat to see that one coming.
10,000.01
I personally know some SCO Employees (New Delhi, INDIA), who use linux as their main OS.
Maybe they should sue themselves first.
v==hal if
How are they going to choose this end user to sue? Are they going to randomly pick an entry from there web server log that contains a referer with linux, and then use RIAA tactics to obtain a supeana to gather your information from you ISP?
Tomorrow never comes.
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=1634528280 2500766497&pid=1
.. SCO's intelligulectual rights are God Given and un-irrevocably threatened. .. Liberty herself are been threatened by this terrorist threat from the OSS! .. Put simply, there is no doubt that there are Warezes of Mass Distribution in OSS. We have seen them distributez them in the past and they can and will do it in the futures!
I hope SCO won't go after me. I've tried Mandrake, Red Hat, SUSE, Lycoris, BSD, and a bunch of others as well.
The innocent sue the guilty.
Oh wait no the corrupt attack the innocent there as well. My bad sorry.
they are suing the riaa for getting linux off kazaa of course
Oh no SCO isn't trying to hurt Linux.
They just want to sue people for writing it, selling it and using it.
I don't actually exist.
Oh what a tawdry, petty thing this democracy has become... I don't know whether you intended it or not, but your post is brilliantly ironic about the dismal state of our democracy.
Where people more interested in the tone of voice than the ideas.
Where people more interested in hair styles than Social Security.
Where people who would rather feel as if they were just consuming another product they may judge by the pretty packaging and ad campaign.
Notes From Under *nix: blas.phemo.us
What Would Brian Boitano Do?
What would Brian Boitano do
If he was here right now?
He'd make a plan, and he'd follow through,
That's what Brian Boitano'd do!
When Brian Boitano came
and knocked at SCO's door
he kicked Darl's stupid ass
and with it he wiped the floor.
Hi de lo de hi de lay!
Brian Boitano's here!
So round up all your lasses,
And tell them to have no fear!
---- Take the Space Quiz!
This worries the crap out of me - heck, I'm bailing out right now.
Here SCO, take it back, here's the origins of your code:
1 0
Please rearrange as required to confirm I've given back what I stole.
I've re-chipped my computer with tri-state logic and tied the groundplane to -5v so my logic levels are now 'float' and -5v. I'll never touch your copyrighted on/off patterns ever again, I promise - please don't hurt me.
AT&ROFLMAO
Diversion. That's what.
Diversion from upcoming bad news. It's the same thing they always do when bad news is coming.
What bad news, you may ask? Could be Judge Wells is (finally) about the issue a ruling... and you can be pretty darn sure it ain't going to be good for SCO. Or it could be something as simple as their financial report, which is due to be published later this week. That ain't going to be pretty either!
PJRC: Electronic Projects, 8051 Microcontroller Tools
ORACLE...Maybe IBM is not big enough fish for them and they want to try and get more legal FUD going...
When all is said and done, nothing changes...
Isn't this constant barrage of news just exactly what SCO wants?
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
They'll sue me Tomorrow!
its only a dayyyyy-aaaaa----way!
And following suit from the RIAA, they'll probably make it a 12 year old.
Reminds me of the great Australian saying.
"Free Beer Tomorrow"
Assuming p to be true yields a contradiction (one deduces [not p]), but assuming [not p] yields no contradiction. This is no paradox.
~Morosoph
SCO are in this for publicity - to fuel the share scam. What better publicity that to sue one of the most famous internet success stories, and one that publicly uses Linux at that.
Google expect to be sued, so they stopped the "Litigeous Barstard" googlebomb. It never looks good in court to be being rude about your opponent.
Maybe the delayed IPO is because they wouldn't get as much being sued as they would with no court-case. Delay the IPO = more money.
DWR is Ajax for Java
What I don't get is, even if SCO code is in Linux and say it is 1% of the kernel code, how can they claim ownership of Linux? How dare they claim to own it when so many people have put so much passion and time into it! Darl McBride you should be ashamed of your self.
sco login: darl
password: **************** "ilikelinuxreally"
Welcome to Linux
darl@sco.com # dd if=/dev/random of=$LINUX_USERS
9380981+0 records in
(number of linux users online)
3+0 records out
(number of linux users who have paid)sco
darl@sco.com # echo "please pay $699 now!!!!" >> $LINUX_USERS
(2 days later)
This operation may take a long time to complete.
Are you sure? y
darl@sco.com # _
I knew that you could.
IANAL, but as far as I understand, those 3 little words will bring any lawsuit brought by SCO (regarding Linux)to a screeching halt until the lawsuit with IBM is cleared up.
I could be wrong, of course.
Dear Mr. McBride:
I am a Linux user.
"Folks just call him Buckethead." -- Les Claypool
They'll sue Microsoft because they seem to have a thing for suing companies that can crush them. (I know ms has paid for a liscense. Just laugh)
This is the right moment for kernel developers to sue SCO.
Come on, you cowardly wimp, do it!
My suggestion s that if they truly want to prove their claim, they will go after a powerful law firm, with special expertise in contract and corporate law.
Of course, there might not be much left of SCO for long after that... By the way, how's it going with IBM?
The suit'll come out Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar That tomorrow
They will pay!
Just thinkin' about Tomorrow
Makes the Linux Zealots,
Fill with sorrow
'Casue they'll pay!
When I'm stuck with a day
That's gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin, And Say,
Sue!
The law'll be changed Tomorrow
So SCOs gotta hang on 'til tomorrow
That's when they'll pay
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I'll sue ya Tomorrow!
You're always A day Away!
How come Slashdot never gets Slashdotted?
Afraid of Google? Dude, they sued IBM. IBM. Google might be a ripe target because they are obviously not very seasoned in the business world, they are just a couple of punk kids and their friends who own a very successful company.
The only "surprise" lawsuit at this point would one against Microsoft.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Haha, "Redundant." Nice.
EV1Servers.net has a perpetual license?
Didn't IBM... SGI... Sun... HP/Compaq/Digital?
They could have their license revoked next week and be sued the day after!
I'm pretty sure they'll follow through on the threat this time. The reason? SCO has an earnings call on March 3. While their legal case is pretty clearly going nowhere, they do seem media-savvy enough to know that a loudly-trumpeted lawsuit against a high-profile company will distract the analyst/media community enough to help them avoid questions they'd rather not answer.
Every time SCO threatens a Linux user, God kills a lawyer.
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Whomever they sue should do this: fire the hot potato right back into SCO's face. Filing a suit now without any factual backing (ie, closure on the IBM case followed by a court ruling upholing SCO's furthre claims about Linux ownership) is nothing short of fraud and a frivilous lawsuit.
Anyone that were to get sued by SCO for this could simply return SCO's notice and alert the attorney general of their state - at least, that's what a small-type shop would do. Hopefully SCO will be that stupid, and the shop that smart.
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The US Navy, Army, Air Force, or the NSA!
I would bet money they the have had at least one SCO system in the past. If they tired to sue one of the armed forces and they had not case couldn't that be considered a terrorist act?
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It appears that they have already released who they are going to be sueing... and the lucky winner is.... Everyones Internet (EV1.Net)
article here
Nah, they're already masters at shooting the bull.
(old guy sitting in a lay-zee-boy chair):
You know 'The Clapper'? I had that idea years before it came out, but I didn't make a dime from it.
(Darl McBride, in orange jumpsuit):
You know UNIX? Linux? That was mine! They took it from me! They gave it away and I didn't make all the money that I deserved! It was mine, mine, MINE!
(Starts cursing, is injected w/ sedative by a guy in a white coat.)
Narrator: Don't let this happen to you!
(Phone number appears, and fade).
why are they annoucing that they are going to sue.
Just do it damn it and suffer the consequences.
they are nothing but a bunch of liars.
I bet they still don't sue anybody.
Day one: SCO sue company X
Day two: Company X gets the judge trying the case to put it on hold until such time as SCO has proved it owns the code in other currently ongoing disputes with Novel and IBM.
Day three: SCO say theve started legal action and look all proud and braggy even though there still in a dark place, there shares got boosted another 2% by it, so there happy.
If they do sue Google, it would be really cool if IBM donated some of their legal talent to Google free of charge.
I really want to see IBM crush SCO into subatomic particles.
> "because they can drag out the trial ad infinitum."
I had to keep re-reading that part until I figured out what you were saying... oh yeah, I thought, I guess the trial is just an ad... why stick on the word "infinitum" at the end? We had print, TV, radio, billboards... now we have litigation - the newest form of product-placement advertising!
Even an 11 year old Risk player knows better than this.
Maybe they will sue Fortune.com, their name is always at the top of the lists... Not to mention for the money they charge for the lists now, Im sure their profit has jumped.
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Cmon' peeps. How much more free press can we give these yoohoo's anyway? The kind of postings on slashdot they have received you can't buy.
Something a very wise man once told me about the 'advertising' business... "It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, as long as they spell your name right."
In this case I don't believe it is fully true as SCO is in hot water so to speak, but we aren't helping ourselves any by overinflating this charade any longer. The merit is in their actions. If they do sue someone they have opened up a whole huge can of worms. If they don't sue someone they will claim that they will 'next week'. Brilliant marketing, albeit from an evil crew of wannabe's that have no clue.
Way of the stockmarket. Look at it this way: SCO has mucho dinero to pay top-dollar for legal counsel. They find a way to make a buck - sue big companies:
Shares are bought in those big companies by offshore trusts, friends and relatives of SCO employees and directors; those stocks are bought at a lower price due to the pending lawsuits.
SCO loses - directors / employees lose their jobs/resign with a golden handshake. Shares in the big companies shoot up. Former directors / employees of SCO make big dinero. So what if they're out of a job - they're now rich.
Rinse and repeat.
OSDN or sourceforge is collecting funds to help Linus Trovalds. I think this is a good idea, collect anough funds to destroy SCO so Darl McBride could finally become someones bit%A9h next cell to Martha Stewart I would donate to see this come true!
What I find interesting is that they are (apparently) planning to sue one of their own customers! How stupid would anyone have to be to sign a contract with them?
"The first target will be a company that has a Unix license from SCO already, giving SCO some contractual leverage in the case. McBride said. In addition, the suit will involve copyright infringement claims."
Noone would. But this is a *Unix* licence, that SCO has inherited from ages past, much like IBM. And I suspect the "contract + copyright" claim will be exactly the same as the IBM claim - where SCO is claiming "copyright" to AIX, since it's a Unix derivate. Only in this case it'll go something along the lines of "You are using an illegal derivate of our IP (Linux), that's in breach of your licence from us. Stop it"
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Fraud is essentially "intent to defraud". That means that you knowlingly sold them a fraudulent (bogus) license. If you believe that you are selling them something of value, and you don't misrepresent it, then you are in the clear. Since SCO seems to think they are right and the represent the license accurately they are safe even if it turns out they were wrong and their claims were invalid.
In this case it is simply caveat emptor. You are buying a license for SCO's technology. If you don't think they legitimately have any, then don't buy.
WWHDS? (What would Howard Dean Say?)
It is unfortunate we even need to look at this as how Republicans and Democrats view Free Software, Open Source Software, etc. All of Congress is what counts as far as getting laws past and it should be more of a question on the views of Congress, but Congress is devided.
I am not sure we should even should have Congress pass any laws that have anything to do with Free/Open Software although it seems more and more like a good idea when a large company tries to loby against Free/Open Software.
Has anyone asked Ralph Nader for his view on Free/Open Software?
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A microsoft ally that will let sco win in exchange of a microsoft buyout for their investors.
WANNA BET?
NO SIG
If the defendant loses, can they pay SCO with exploding $20's? :-)
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SCO: We hold the lawyers. We can brook no delay. Remove the linux infestation.
"Very well, then I declare this treaty to be in abeyance. Viewer off."
Captain, SCO is hailing *us*. (pause) Captain?
(pause) "..very well. Main Viewer on."
SCO: Very well, we agree to your terms. You may have your two weeks.
SCO Says They'll Bite the Head Off A Hamster Tomorrow
from the couldn't-make-their-image-any-worse dept.Bob writes "SCO intends to bite the head off a Hamster. Ordinarily, this would not be newsworthy, as they have repeatedly made similar threats, but have not followed through in the past. However, this time, they have given themselves a concrete deadline--tomorrow. While they claim that it will be a "live" hamster, and that the biting will be televised, they apparently have yet to decide which SCO representative will actually be doing the biting, Darl McBride, Chris Sontag, or someone else. IBM has countered that this sort of stunt is not actually admissable as evidence in most courts.
SCO has already stated that they didn't like how IBM helped AutoZone.
IBM used SCO's own libraries for the legacy application.
Yeah they sue for copyright infrigment, on thier own library code, being used on a unlicensed platform.
Not a suit on linux persay but, just close enough so they can actaully sue for something and still say we told you we'd sue a Linux user.
Home Depot, I thought uses a linux based POS.
Hopefully the defendant will be small enough that another company like IBM or Sun can buy them and fund a real defense, quashing this thing now.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
...with weird al? the car dealer?
"if someone doesn't get down here and buy a car from me in the next hour, i'll CLUB A BABY SEAL!...that's right - you heard me, i'm gonna club this baby seal cuz i'm craaaaaazzzzy ernie....."
That would be a software company who doesn't make software anymore suing a hardware company who will never make hardware !
Here is a post from the IWW news mailing list that includes the text of an article from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer about the case. In fact the details dealt with butchers rather than deli workers (a deli may sell precut/prepared meats exclusively thus not requiring butchers).
What would dirty Harry say? And I don't care if it's not related, with SCO in mind it just makes you feel good. .44 Magnum - the most powerful hand gun in the world and will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question..
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I know what you're thinking punk.
You're thinking did he fire six shots or only five?
And to tell you the truth I've forgotten myself in all this excitement.
But being this is a
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk!
What? That battle is still going on...
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
I bet most Pepsi customers think Linux is that lady who sang the LOTR:ROTK song that won the Oscar on Sunday.
Well, the day of reckoning has arrived. Anybody have any news/links on if they actually fired the first salvo?
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They're the fucking price of darkness don't you know...
I think Ozzy should sue them!!!
Hey Fry - what's up with MS-SQL? I've actually found it to be one of the few MS products that's actually worth using if you can get someone else to pay for it (if it were up to me, I'd replace it with Linux/pgsql). It sounds like it's either seriously misconfigured like the one guy said or, perhaps, you have some bad hardware hanging around? You ought to send the techs seeking i/o and buffer errors in the event viewer.
In my experience, that behavior is not normal. Just my .02
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I predict the suit will be against Groklaw!
At least that's my prediction. Per SEC fillings, SCO makes lubricants not IP or software. So out goes the REAL competition. The lawsuit was just a big understanding...you know...Utah to English dialect differences. http://www.scoxpetro.com/
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Really? You don't think so? Why was it that Google delayed that IPO again? Something about bad timing wasn't it?
Except Google has never delayed their IPO. In fact they have never made any public statements about having any intention to have an IPO. The rumour mill has gotten out of control on this one, and now everyone is starting to believe the rumours as true.
Let's sue SCO. Do Linux users have rights, and have those rights been violated by SCO? I started out thinking about posting this as a joke but now I wonder what the real possibilities might be.
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