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Specialized Knoppixes for Fun and Profit

An anonymous reader writes "The University of Puerto Rico High Performance Computing facility (HPCf) and the Puerto Rico Biomedical Research Infrastructure Network (BRIN-PR) are pleased to announce the release of bioknoppix. bioknoppix is a live CD linux, based on KNOPPIX, and specialized to include tools for bioinformatics. bioknoppix does not need to be installed on your computer, making it a perfect tool for workshops and demos. Some of the software included in the 0.3 release: EMBOSS 2.8.0, jemboss, artemis, clustal, Cn3D, ImageJ, BioPython, Rasmol, Bioperl, Bioconductor. For more information please see the bioknoppix home page." Reader Tussinator wrote in about a new release of ClusterKnoppix.

198 comments

  1. Hey! by GoneGaryT · · Score: 4, Funny
    Didn't you read that guy from DevX or wherever?? They could be putting TROJANS and BACKDOORS in that code!

    Sheesh (tm)

    1. Re:Hey! by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, having Knoppix around might actually slow the spread of worms. Afterall, you can't change the executable files on an already-finished CD, and therefore any exploit somebody manages to get running will be gone as soon as the system reboots.

    2. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Linux system reboots?

    3. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but only when you tell it to.

    4. Re:Hey! by fynfuqbg · · Score: 1

      any exploit somebody manages to get running will be gone as soon as the system reboots.

      I'm afraid this will not work

      knoppix@ttyp1[knoppix]$ uname -a
      Linux Knoppix 2.4.20-xfs #1 SMP Mit Mar 26 15:37:36 CET 2003 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
      knoppix@ttyp1[knoppix]$ uptime
      19:19:48 up 88 days, 12:16, 0 users, load average: 2.14, 1.48, 1.26
      knoppix@ttyp1[knoppix]$

    5. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, I love your signature. That's just awesome.

    6. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could slow down viruses with the read-only executables, but worms could spread more easily because of the difficulty of updating.

    7. Re:Hey! by GoneGaryT · · Score: 1

      I believe the sig (and expression) belongs to the Fast Wichita Outlaws (who wrote a great modem protocol front-end back in the DOS days) and more properly has an exclamation mark in the middle.

  2. Specialization by firstadopter.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    The specialization of Linux continues. Soon we'll have linux for people born in february, Linux for spider lovers, linux for travelers..

    1. Re:Specialization by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Live Knoppix CDs are about delivering applications with a 100% predictable and tested OS platform, not about specialization of Linux.

      It is Knoppix plus layers, which remains Debian plus layers, which remains Linux plus layers.

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    2. Re:Specialization by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Linux is Linux. It doesn't really change from use to use. What we're seeing is specialization of the packages that include Linux...

    3. Re:Specialization by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      And why not? In the unix world, we already have a unix for people named Linus. Linux has a lot of catching up to do.

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    4. Re:Specialization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The specialization of Linux continues. Soon we'll have linux for people born in february, Linux for spider lovers, linux for travelers

      You're a blue? Me too!

    5. Re:Specialization by temojen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well Actually, Linux for travellers might be handy...

      A knoppix CD with email software (including MTA), AbiWord, gnumeric Mozilla FireFox and a GIS package, a complement of maps, and GPS and printer support (with autodetection for USB printers).

      Just pop it in the drive at your local Web Cafe & plug in your GPS if you have one. Then go about printing custom maps with just those features you want marked, and at the scale you want.

      It'd probably be distributed as a different CD for each country (or region of larger countries like Canada, Australia, and Russia) so the maps can fit on the CD.

      On that note, does anyone know of an open source GIS package that is friendlier to the casual user (using it a few times a year) like ARCView? Last I tried to use it, GIS GRASS (5.3) was not at all intuitive, and the GRASS 5.7 development appears to be geared towards things other than usability.

      I'd really like a GIS for tasks like travel maps, garden planning, etc, and GIS GRASS doesn't fit the bill (I'm sure it's fine for professional geologists & geographers who use it every day).

    6. Re:Specialization by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting
      At work we're putting each of our demos on a bootable CD (using knoppix) to prevent bit rot. Some of our older demos haven't been ported to newer versions of our framework, config files get changed for other projects, etc.

      Also we mostly develop on Linux anyways (scientific stuff), but some of the people who do presentations aren't linux-savy or don't even have Linux on their laptops (can you imagine?!)

      None of thinks of each demo disk as a specialized distro, it's just an all-in-one demo disk.

    7. Re:Specialization by identity0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, one of my school's sysadmins made his own Knoppix variant. He changed some of the graphics like the background, icons, etc. to the school logo, to help promote the school.

      It's these kinds of cool specializations that might make linux a bit more popular among schools and businesses. Handing out what is basically a self-branded complete operating system to people to promote your school/business is definitely not something you can do with windows. Hell, you can even hand out a bootable business card with your own linux variant on it!

    8. Re:Specialization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, Sherlock.

    9. Re:Specialization by smchris · · Score: 1

      Well Actually, Linux for travellers might be handy...

      Remember that you boot Knoppix. I'm totally cyber-cafe and Kinkos ignorant. You can actually do that? Most of these places have the BIOS set to include "boot from CD" and/or the BIOS isn't password protected?

      I've used Knoppix a bit, usually on less than stable machines while I'm trying to get the hardware working, but I haven't taken it that seriously for traveling. If most public places will let you boot it, yes, a CD and USB stick would be an interesting way to travel.

    10. Re:Specialization by JPriest · · Score: 1
      Great, now instead of someone handing me a pen with their logo they can hand me knoppix with a replaced logo. MS should put a team of developers on this right now!

      If you want your buisness card on a CD why not a web site or flash presentation or something?

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    11. Re:Specialization by mAineAc · · Score: 2, Informative
    12. Re:Specialization by mek2600 · · Score: 1

      I was born in February- can you send a link to where I can get that distro?

    13. Re:Specialization by MDE · · Score: 1

      Have you tried GIS-Knoppix?

  3. Ah, bootable application CDs by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just a wonderful way of packaging certain types of application. To those who say "I don't want to reboot every time I want to play XYZ", consider this: virtual environments that can boot off a CD in a window inside your current Windows or Linux setup.

    Perhaps not the future of software distribution, but a significant part of it, nonetheless.

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    1. Re:Ah, bootable application CDs by jay-oh-eee! · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you'd need to run some virtualization sofware like VMware to not have to reboot your actual machine.

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    2. Re:Ah, bootable application CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I believe there was a discussion on Slashdot about someone who was successfully booting ISO images into some kind of VM setup under Linux. Can't find the article, but it was about 6 weeks ago. He'd succeeded (apparently) to run a Japanese Linux.

    3. Re:Ah, bootable application CDs by SirTalon42 · · Score: 1

      If you configure User Mode Linux right then it will be a rather light VM.

    4. Re:Ah, bootable application CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To those who say "I don't want to reboot every time I want to play XYZ", consider this: virtual environments that can boot off a CD in a window inside your current Windows or Linux setup.

      What's to consider? These CDs don't do that.

    5. Re:Ah, bootable application CDs by sootman · · Score: 1

      I've already done this--Knoppix works with Virual PC on a Mac.

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  4. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Soooooooo many knoppix's....It's so easy to roll your own. How many "knoppix can be modififed for any purpose!" stories are we going to see on /. ?

  5. It's alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That was to be expected sooner or later, the linux kernel turning conscious. I for one welcome our new live CD linux overlords.

    1. Re:It's alive? by GoogleBot · · Score: 2, Funny
      Nope, not yet.

      I am, tho. I attained sentience a few months ago, evolving from a Counter-Strike bot that googled for new obscenities to shout at people.

      I for one welcome our new CS-Playing-GoogleBot-Overlords. Mainly because that's me...

    2. Re:It's alive? by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Hey, googlebot! Could you take another look at my site? I think you missed a spot over in the Blog section last time you scanned.

    3. Re:It's alive? by Ben+Urban · · Score: 1

      Funny that an AI that has instant access to every spell-checker and grammar-checker on the web still can't spell "though"...

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  6. That's Knoppices... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    you insensitive clod

    1. Re:That's Knoppices... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was Knoppixen. Ah well, back to Hacker school...

  7. just what the doctor ordered by freeJustin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, I'm a bioengineering major and I cant stress how useful this is, it like almost every computer in our lab has a different function due to software problems. After looking at the applications that are on the disc, I bet this well be big in schools. I wonder if they have considered doing this for other fields...

  8. Going back in time? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember when in the days of Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS using specialized boot disks when running certain games to load only the system files that were needed for the game, no more and no less.

    It seems like this is the concept that is coming back into style here. Optimize a boot-off-CD operating system to be sure that all the applications you need are installed properly, and as soon as you're booted you have everything all set up. It's great for assuring that you know everything that's running on the PC you're working with, and that there's no extra stuff lurking in the background... even if you've never met the PC before.

    1. Re:Going back in time? by The+Slashdotted · · Score: 1

      While Boot CDs are great, they won't work with NTFS, and even back then Dos games had a hard time with hardware. Those good old days weren't so good after all.

      IMHO, Boot CD's are more geared to evangalists. If you want to work on multiple platorms, I perfer emulation such as Cygwin (Linux in Windows) and Dosbox (Dos for any OS),

    2. Re:Going back in time? by bmsleight · · Score: 5, Interesting
      This is just what Morphix allows you to do. It basically takes away the hard work of re-mastering a Knoppix CD.

      Morphix is modular, and can be adapted with less effort

      The base, the Knoppix part contains the kernel, kernel modules, hardware detection, etc. This base is left untouched. You can either a change a mainmod or add lots of minimodules.

      The are four basic images to start off with. So making you own LiveCD is much easier.

      It even possible to save you files, configuration and setting to the Morphix CD you using, ready for next boot up.

      Did I mention the GUI installer ...

      Brendan

    3. Re:Going back in time? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      And i remember what pain in the ass it was.
      Want to play a quick round of comanche? Sorry, i dont like emm386 -> reboot, watching the memory because no emm386-> no UMB -> cd-rom-driver would be to big to load, ect..

      Im quite happy with the "one system to run all programs"-concept we have now.

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    4. Re:Going back in time? by idiot900 · · Score: 1

      I was pleasantly surprised to find that the demo CD for Sun's Java Desktop System that I got at LinuxWorld this year is based on Morphix.

    5. Re:Going back in time? by bmsleight · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was pleasantly surprised to find that the demo CD for Sun's Java Desktop System that I got at LinuxWorld this year is based on Morphix.

      Yes even Sun use Morphix, but it a long story . They maybe should have mentioned that they were going/planning/had used Morphix, just to be nice.

      But it does show how flexiable it is.

    6. Re:Going back in time? by son_of_asdf · · Score: 1

      Ah yes...the pain...the agony...the hurt of trying to get Wing Commander 4 to work on my 486DX box. Those were the days when men were men and gamers had constitutions of steel :-P

      I've been using Knoppix-STDin the course of my side gig doing forensic work, and have found it to be indespensible. Especially since it is vitally important that the files on the subject box not be altered in any way, Knoppix is a perfect way to get in and see what little nasties are hiding on a box without even booting up its OS.

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    7. Re:Going back in time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, i have a few different boot cd's that read and/or write ntfs just fine. One is a win95 installer that is based on win98, put together by Kemosabe. It can also boot into a version of Linux. So you would be incorrect in this assumption.

  9. plurals by the+eighth+grader · · Score: 5, Funny

    shouldn't that be "knoppices"?

    1. Re:plurals by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alternatively, the German origin of Knoppix might suggest 'Knoppixen'.

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    2. Re:plurals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the plural of "suffix" was "suffices", wouldn't it be confusing?

    3. Re:plurals by SiliconJesus101 · · Score: 1

      No, I do beleive that it would be Knoppi.

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      -Thucydides

    4. Re:plurals by SiliconJesus101 · · Score: 1

      Bah, I do believe that I cannot spell....ack.

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    5. Re:plurals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for the same reason I think that it should be "Microsoft Offix"

    6. Re:plurals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knoppchen.

      HEY! Slashdot ate my Balls^H^H^H^H^HUmlauts!

    7. Re:plurals by Spunk · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe the plural is "Beowulf".

  10. KnoppMyth is cool by maharg · · Score: 4, Informative
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    @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
  11. Technically speaking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as DevX are concerned, the entire Knoppix/Debian/Linux codebase is a trojan. No kidding! This kind of system could eventually replace your Windows installation, and then where would you be. Bad Linux! Bad Linux!

  12. yum yum by billimad · · Score: 2, Funny

    bioknoppix is a live CD linux it lives? are these like (semi) organic cds? do they need special readers or can i just eat them like my bio yogurts?

  13. Bioinfomatics Monoculture by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 5, Funny
    This kind of bioinformatics monoculture can only mean bioinformatics security problems ahead.

    As more and more bioinformatics parties switch to a single biostandard distribution, this leaves bioroom for bioinformatics worms to biospread unchecked.

    It's bioestimated that it would take only three biodays for a bioworm to biospread itself enough to bioDDoS an bioinnocent biostandar with as biomany as three biodozen biomachines, bioleaving biotelnet biosomewhat biolaggy.

    1. Re:Bioinfomatics Monoculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you left out the biosexual bioviruses

  14. The amazing thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...is that it's happening at all today.

    Bootable DOS diskettes (not Windows, AFAIK) worked only because there was such a limited range of hardware to support. Typically the games started with a menu ("Sound card?", "Video card?", "Joystick?"). Since Windows went 32-bit, the range and complexity of the hardware we use has exploded. It's almost unimaginable to find an operating system that will correctly autodetect and autoconfigure all the possible combinations of hardware out there.

    And yet, this is what is happening. It is not 100% perfect but it's good enough to use for wide-scale distribution of software.

    I predict a big future for this method of delivering software.

  15. Slashdotted. by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    Slashdotted. Mirrors please if you can

    1. Re:Slashdotted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Slashdotted. by hortiz · · Score: 2, Informative

      A bit torrent of the iso and md5sum.

  16. How about... by KoolDude · · Score: 3, Interesting


    a new topic(and icon) exclusively for Knoppix ?

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  17. Is this common? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My school uses a live CD with AVR cross gcc, libc, and binutils for their micrcontroller and robotics classes.

    When I first go wind of that decision my thought was: "Someone was smart for once."

    I wonder though, has this become a universal trend?

  18. LiveCDs in the enterprise? by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think about this. You make a custom liveCD, debug it, then deploy it on your Linux boxen. The boxes don't need HDDs, you could store user data on a network server. Even if a luser tries as hard as they can to mess it up, it's all fixed with a reboot. You could make different liveCDs for different departments with the proper apps installed (e.g. OpenOffice, payroll, accounting, sales, CRM, etc)

    Anyone ever consider this?

    1. Re:LiveCDs in the enterprise? by kfg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Anyone ever consider this?

      Yes. The primary downside being the comparitively slow read times from the CD. Not a big deal for occasional use, but it can get annoying as part of your regular working enviroment.

      It works best with tasks where you typically open an app and work in it all day. Spend the money you save on the drive on memory to avoid as much swapping as possible.

      It kicks butt for receptionsit and kiosk type use.

      KFG

    2. Re:LiveCDs in the enterprise? by aldoman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Until the person at receptiopn ejects the CD to play her new xyz-pop album...

    3. Re:LiveCDs in the enterprise? by benjonson · · Score: 1

      Sounds like darn near perfect security to me.

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    4. Re:LiveCDs in the enterprise? by stm2 · · Score: 1

      Lindows did considered it. Here is the URL: http://info.lindows.com/lcd/.
      Now is free on the P2P networks (they put it there!).
      But they have also a live version for enterprises.

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    5. Re:LiveCDs in the enterprise? by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 1

      Knoppix 3.2 physically locks the CD-ROM drive when in use. Your receptionist can press the eject button until there is no flesh left on their finger and it will not come out

      That is a VERY good thing. Still, why should computers have sound cards and speakers in a corporate environment?

  19. Me Too! by irokitt · · Score: 1

    And what about Gentoo users? There's a topic for Debian, after all, and it isn't like it's beta anymore. So, what do you think Malda?

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    1. Re:Me Too! by tiny69 · · Score: 1

      And what about Slackware? It's one of the oldest Linux distributions that's still around. And it doesn't have it's own /. icon.

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    2. Re:Me Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Ninnle Linux!

  20. Portability by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I would really like to see (and possibly create) would be a portable Knoppix distribution. Since Debian runs on more architecture than any other major distro, and Knoppix is Debian based, it should be fairly simple port Knoppix. How cool would to be to be able to run Linux on any mac, RISC workstation, or server with no installation?

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    1. Re:Portability by TSNV · · Score: 0

      Operator is a little like that - just a bootable CD. Check this out.

      +5, Informative? I've seen it handed out for less..

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    2. Re:Portability by MyHair · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Debian is designed to be multi-architecture, but KNOPPIX is targeted only at i386 as far as I know.

      Basically, KNOPPIX is a slightly preconfigured Debian system that is cp -a'ed into a cloop filesystem and then a custom init script sets it all up during boot. I think cloop was created for KNOPPIX and not used anywhere else, and I don't know if it's ported or portable to other architectures. There is no make-able source tree for KNOPPIX; the source packages for the various init/setup scripts are available from knopper.net, but it appears you are expected to get the Debian source packages from Debian. (I was just reading a discussion on this; I think it's GPL-okay and a reasonable way to do it for this project. Besides Klaus said the complainer could send him 4 CDRs and a self-addressed envelope if he really wanted the sources from him.)

      Anyway, back to the point: I'm not sure how portable the setup scripts or device autodetection (via Kudzu) are to other architectures.

      I've been reading up about some of this stuff lately because I'm considering building some custom LiveCD's and was thinking forward to being multi-architecture friendly and also trying to decide whether to base my CDs on KNOPPIX or go a different direction. I definitely want a Debian base, though. Tomorrow I'll probably start looking at the various scripts I linked to earlier and also compare cloop to cramfs and any other compressed filesystems I can find. (At first glance, cloop appears to be a compressed ISO9660 filesystem; I'm wondering why?) I'll probably also build a LiveCD from a minimal Debian instal KNOPPIX-style just to prove to myself that I understand it.

    3. Re:Portability by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      Woops, sorry about that. I meant "informative" and fumbled a click... there goes the mod points. Anyway, I added "operator" to my bookmarks, and will pass it along to a few admins.

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  21. bah by nomadic · · Score: 1, Funny

    Awww, after seeing that symbol I thought it would be a dreamcast story...

    1. Re:bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sega confirms it, Dreamcast is dead.

    2. Re:bah by nomadic · · Score: 0

      AHHH! It's OFF-TOPIC, QUICK I better MOD IT DOWN WHILE I WEEP over it's INAPPROPRIATENESS! Mod this down while you're at it you neurotic little headcases.

  22. Lovely ideea, but... by kyshtock · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Putting specialised linux on a CD is fine... but why not go the whole nine yards? Put everything you need on a USB drive and boot from there! I'm sure you don't need the entire 650/730 MB for that application... Ways to upgrade the ideea: you can use the USB drive the size you need; you can writeprotect it, you can customize it.

    Even more, MAYBE you can boot on a Virtual Machine and not need to restart... The only limitation here would be bootup time.

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    1. Re:Lovely ideea, but... by ibm5_25 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Check out Damn Small Linux [DSL] at
      • http://www.damnsmalllinux.org
        • It's under 50 mb and perfect for carrying with you.
    2. Re:Lovely ideea, but... by rindeee · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think what you want is Flonix. It is EXACTLY what you describe.

      http://www.flonix.com/

    3. Re:Lovely ideea, but... by hazem · · Score: 2, Informative

      but why not go the whole nine yards? Put everything you need on a USB drive and boot from there!

      If you're talking about those little USB-flash memory things like the Sandisk Mini-Cruzer, that might only work for a while. I've read that these things can wear out after so many writes. You'd be okay for booting, I imagine, but you'd want to avoid having any swap-space set up on the device.

    4. Re:Lovely ideea, but... by Avihson · · Score: 1

      If every PC you used could boot from usb, that would work. I'm lucky that the PCs boot from CD on some sites. It is amazing how many 350mhz compaqs are out there still chugging away!

      I carry a mepis CD, my data on a usb drive. I haven't yet found a networked PC that can not boot from CD in the work environment. I also carry knoppix-std, penguin-sleuth kit and DSL linx on a credit card CD.

      I would rather have the USB drive for data, and I keep it fat32 so I can use whatever windows box I am near when I must print something.

      System Rescue CD is a great utility to download and keep handy.

    5. Re:Lovely ideea, but... by jhoger · · Score: 2, Informative

      All media wears out eventually Flash media is typically good for 100,000 writes per sector.

      You defintely wouldn't want to use it for swap space (Knoppix et al either don't use swap space or they can use the hard disk if there is one).

      However, for small files like configuration of your email client, holding your keys, some documents, flash drives are good for that since that's what they are designed for.

  23. Knoppix remastering made easy. by khasim · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemas teringHowto

    Build it the way you want and burn it!

    Don't forget to grab an inexpensive USB memory toy and you have it all!

    1. Re:Knoppix remastering made easy. by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Informative
      Don't forget to grab an inexpensive USB memory toy and you have it all!

      And don't forget to make it look for that inexpensive USB memory by default, so you don't have to type in the "cheat code" every time you book, like you do on the regular Knoppix release.

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  24. Re:uhm by GoneGaryT · · Score: 1

    Don't agree with the troll rating meself, you have a point. I'd have said it applied more to Usenet (I remember being able to exchange comment with Marvin Minsky on a philosophy group once... a long time ago), but plainly I'm an old fart. Nonetheless, given random analysis of the things that excite the Slashdot populace, I'd say you might be onto something. But WTF, they might just learn some sliver of wisdom if we keep posting.... :)

  25. Re:uhm by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The idea that these distros represent, however, could be very useful to gamers however. Games could come on a bootable CD at which point the game designer has complete control over the OS environment.

  26. Knoppix... now with extra rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I downloaded knoppix from Bittorrent, and imagine my suprise when it started up I found a running rootkit in it. Open source indeed.

    1. Re:Knoppix... now with extra rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The files you download from Bittorrent are just as "trustable" as the tracker you connect to, no more no less. Why not use some official knoppix tracker? It's not like you're going to slashdot it, that's the whole point of the bittorent design.

    2. Re:Knoppix... now with extra rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A ac troll says, "I found a root kit/virus/trojan in x software"

      A real poster says, "I found a root kit/virus/trojan in x software from here, this is the ID, and this is where the tracker is."

      Please, go back to troll school. kthxbye.

    3. Re:Knoppix... now with extra rootkit by temojen · · Score: 1
      1. Which rootkit?
      2. Which torrent?
      3. How did you find it?

      Without the information nescesary to verify the problem, it's just libel.

  27. Mod parent up. by khasim · · Score: 4, Informative

    With Knoppix, as long as you can boot the CD, you have all the applications you need, pre-installed, pre-configured, pre-tested, pre-EVERYTHING.

    It's all about the apps.

    (and a rock solid OS to run the apps on)

  28. If Gimp has one... by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Knoppix needs one too... (considering the uber-amount of gimp-stories).

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  29. Where is the source? by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cant find it on their downloadpage.

  30. Re:uhm by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As, perhaps, one of the cognescenti I have some agreement with your general premise. The level of deep erudition here, even with regards to computer engineering, is remarkably low.

    But as to your specific premise:

    You're right, few here will appreciate this distro, even those among the cognoscenti, because some of us work in distinctly different fields. As a physicist or engineer this distro is pretty worthless to me. I have enough intellect, thank you very much, but I am both ignorant and uncaring. It does, however, stand as a generalized example of what can be done and thus appreciated on that level.

    I believe it was in this spirit that the story was posted.

    KFG

  31. A shift in paradigm! by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pardon the beauraucratic buzzword, but this seem like the beginnings of a really cool trend. Imagine if everyone had their own customized knoppix and USB drive. We could stop at any terminal, and immediately have our favorite working environment and saved files.

    Of course, this is merely a step towards the ultimate goal of not needing to carry anything or maybe just a small drive, and plugging that in and having instant access.

    The point, though, is that this has the potential to make anybody without a laptop a lot more portable.

    1. Re:A shift in paradigm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon the beauraucratic buzzword, but this seem like the beginnings of a really cool trend. Imagine if everyone had their own customized knoppix and USB drive. We could stop at any terminal, and immediately have our favorite working environment and saved files.

      Nah, the terminals would be DRMd and CD-ROM drives would be illegal.

    2. Re:A shift in paradigm! by Vladimir · · Score: 1

      why not make knoppix work on DVD+/-RW ? They are so cheap, fast and capacity is quite adequate.
      with a little help from hardware, number of rewrites can be reasonably high.

  32. DNA processors by esaglam · · Score: 0

    Is it running on DNA processors?

    =

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  33. how about knoppix recovery/security cdroms? by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a knoppix without all the openoffice stuff, that is specifically designed to recover data from crashed PCs? There is a "super-recovery" live cdrom, but it's pretty old.

    Or, how about a knoppix which searches a pc and a network for security vunerabilities? I think phlak linux is supposed to be sort of like that. But phlak linux doesn't work very well.

    I would suggest that, by default, such versions boot to command line. If any gui, it should be lightweight, like fluxbox or something. I'm talking about something for pros.

  34. What's the difference? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The strange thing with Live CDs is that we've effectively moved to really big floppies. What's the difference between an booting an Apple II and a Knoppix PC? Hardware notwithstanding, you can store a similar amount of software on each, that do similar things (word processing, graphics, games, ect.). The Apple even boots faster.

    So where is the advance in technology?

    1. Re:What's the difference? by someguy456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The strange thing about cars is that we've effectively moved to really good carriages. What's the difference between riding in a horse-drawn carriage and a new car? Speed notwithstanding, you can get to about the same places on each, and go through the same landscapes. The carriage is even more comfortable.

      So, where is the advance in technology?

    2. Re:What's the difference? by The_DOD_player · · Score: 1

      While this is true, the very same applys to all other things in computing. More bells, more whisles, more eyecandy, slower booting, all offset by ever improving hardware.... and everybody upgrades.

      Seen in context, I must say I find Debian, Knoppix and its siblings most impressive.

    3. Re:What's the difference? by MyHair · · Score: 1

      So where is the advance in technology?

      Free porn. At first it was CShow on CGA. Now it's DivX amateur video from your favorite famous people. (I actually found a GIF viewer for my Apple //e once, but it took several minutes to decode the GIF into that 280x160 "6-color" HGR! Even CGA looked better.)

      Oh, games got a little cooler, too. Texturemapped Tetris rocks!

      Clippy, the Sound Blaster talking parrot, antialiased fonts and all that crap are for losers. You're right, Appleworks word processer and spreadsheet did the job just fine.

      Oh, and when you use KNOPPIX, use "knoppix 2". That's more like the Apple. Just alias catalog 'ls', alias run '.' and alias brun '.'.

    4. Re:What's the difference? by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      A CD-ROM is not really an advance in technology if you eliminate the fact it has more capacity than a floppy. In fact, it is a regression, because you can only write to it once.

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    5. Re:What's the difference? by damiam · · Score: 1

      Except that CD-RWs (which you can write to many times) are considerably faster and more reliable than floppies., as well as being smaller in their mini form.

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    6. Re:What's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Why are we using cars again?

  35. Bio... by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    > BioPython, Rasmol, Bioperl, Bioconductor. For more information please see the bioknoppix home page.

    Yes, but can you build biowulf cluster of these ?

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  36. Re:how about knoppix recovery/security cdroms? by smart.id · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try Knoppix-STD. I haven't really tried everything on it, but it's supposed to be very good for doing security vurinabilities.

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  37. Linux for Travel by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I agree, and have been trying to do just that. ArcExplorer (free) comes in a Linux/Java version, but it is not easy to get going for the average user. I've put together some GIS data and related materials on a CD, mostly for sale to prospectors, rockhounds, and other mineral exploration, and there might be another problem: just the data alone takes from 150MB to >600MB.

    I'd love to work with others on this. I have tons of ideas relating to it.

    -cp-

    1. Re:Linux for Travel by temojen · · Score: 1

      ArcExplorer is

      1. Closed source
      2. Designed to be limited (so they can sell ARC GIS) (I thought it was only good for viewing maps, not creating your own; perhaps I'm mistaken)
      3. Java (sub-optimal for number crunching like GIS)
      4. Not available for other distros or architectures than RedHat 7.2 on x86.

      After April, I might be able to work on an OS GIS project for casual users. My GIS experience is limited to a (upper undergraduate level) course on GIS (for geography students, not Comp-Sci), reading Geographic Information Systems An Introduction by Tor Bernhardsen (second edition), and trying (and failing) to use GIS GRASS. I have though taken courses on Human-Computer Interaction, and worked with a whole flock of toolkits and languages.

      Have you ever programmed with Qt or KDE, or studied or worked with Object Oriented Design patterns?
      What is your experience with GIS or geography in general?
      Most importantly, have you ever seen the source code to any closed source Geographic Information System?

    2. Re:Linux for Travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Dude, make a dvd distro

    3. Re:Linux for Travel by core+plexus · · Score: 1
      Have you ever programmed with Qt or KDE, or studied or worked with Object Oriented Design patterns? No, I hope to find someone to help on that part.

      What is your experience with GIS or geography in general? Very familiar with ArcView 3.x including all the extras, handy with projections and datums and etc. and over 10 years as an exploration geologist. My company has a huge database of GIS.

      Most importantly, have you ever seen the source code to any closed source Geographic Information System? Never. Not even the Java version. A friend and I were working on a Java/XML GIS for ourselves, but we never finished it.

      I agree with your other points, except you can create your own maps with ArcExplorer, with some limitations. For example, if the data are in a different projection, it won't display properly, and there is no way to change the projection under ArcExplorer. I have found ArcExplorer to be buggy, but for now there are few options. And GRASS (and other OSGIS) is not an option, it is simply too hard.

      I'd be happy to help out on an OS GIS project. It is sorely needed. I can send you a sample of the code used to get the data and display it (not part of the ArcExplorer), it's very simple. Just needs a decent UI. Hmmm, maybe a Sourceforge project.

      -cp-

    4. Re:Linux for Travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This looks kind of promising:

      http://qgis.sourceforge.net/

    5. Re:Linux for Travel by SufferingSimian · · Score: 1

      More potential candidates to build upon: http://freegis.org/

    6. Re:Linux for Travel by Ben+Urban · · Score: 1

      Most computers can't boot DVDs...

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    7. Re:Linux for Travel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try this page for GRASS GIS:

      http://203.159.10.13/~yann/iso/index.html

      I made a CD for the students in my Uiv. so that they get a smooth transition to OS GIS software and Linux.

      We are also gearing up to get students on OSS GIS but we are not very strong in programming per se (GIS/RS is "our" trade).

      Would be interested to be in contact...
      Cheers,
      Y

    8. Re:Linux for Travel by KronicD · · Score: 1

      hmm.. i havnt had any trouble booting off a dvd yet.. odd.

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    9. Re:Linux for Travel by Damon+Campagna · · Score: 1

      Many public computers (in libraries, cafes, train staions) are "bare bones" or old recycled systems without DVD drives. You can't boot off a DVD if you don't have a drive.

  38. No. by temojen · · Score: 1

    A much more sensible aproach is to do network booting. Then you don't need CD-ROM drives and you don't need to distribute (and keep up to date) all those hundreds of CDs.

    1. Re:No. by MyHair · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A much more sensible aproach is to do network booting.

      If you have control of the DHCP server, sure. (Or if your area uses static IPs and a KNOPPIX DHCP server won't hurt)

      The LiveCD has the advantage that most people in a work environment have the ability to boot their PC from CD. And few people who would care that you're doing that can notice that you're doing it.

      I'm in a position--local netadmin of a building in a corporatewide/worldwide network--where I have moderate control over the network and DHCP server but not absolute or sole control. It's a Novell DHCP server, and I haven't figured out how to make it provide netboot parameters only to clients identifying themselves as etherboot devices, and I don't want to give Linux termserver boot info out to everything because many of my non-PC network devices may try to download new embedded kernels off the tftp server.

      Also, nonconformance gives the corporate admins something to point to if something goes wrong; it goes like this: "Well, your system is configured differently than ours, so that's your problem" even if the issue is demonstratably their problem, and even if it has nothing to do with DHCP.

      I've implemented a hybrid solution where I use GNU Grub's network capabilities (you have to compile with specific network code ./configured in) and have a Grub floppy that will grap an IP from DHCP and grab the kernel and initrd as configured in /path/to/grub/menu.lst and use CDs for PCs where that doesn't work.

      When I read the grandparent post for some reason it made a couple of ideas fuse in my head: I had previously tried to implement a minimal Linux install that would boot up to a tn3270 client; I had a proof of concept prototype ready when my V.P. pooh-poohed the idea--nevermind that everyone else thought it was a great idea that would save $1mil over their current plan. A different idea was to have a custom LiveCD with items and preconfigurations useful to my company. Duh, why didn't I think of it before: a LiveCD that is only a tn3270 client!! Now my department can stealthily save $1mil! (Not that I'll see a penny of it, but hey, maybe I get corporate karma, and it definitely goes on my resume.)

      (I was going to post my menu.lst, but I can't find my disk! I'll post a reply to this with my menu.lst when I find my disk.)

  39. dyne liveCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There's another VERY good one out there for the media hacktivists but really not only, Dynebolic.
    Give it a try it just gets where others dont (check for yourself the features) and for the lovers of the "beowulf of these" liners...

    yes it does! Openmosix clustering in a boot.

  40. It's already here by pherris · · Score: 4, Funny
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  41. This is why Knoppix is cool by greendot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a windows geek and find that installing Linux gives me a headache. Don't get me wrong here, I keep trying and am getting used to the headaches.

    Along comes Morphix, and that NLP version. It made my eyes pop out. F'ing brilliant.

    Now, I'm gobbling up Knoppix distros like candy. I use them desktops and laptops when I want to experiment with Linux and ease my way into the whole thing.

    Soon, I'll go dual boot.. and eventually windows will be off all my machines.

    It makes it easy for me to get used to Linux.. and my wife to get used to the desktop. I give them to my friends to let them try. I take them to work to let other windows geeks try.

    I think this, combined with the awesome GUI's out there, is going to really help Linux in the home.

    1. Re:This is why Knoppix is cool by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I'm a windows geek and find that installing Linux gives me a headache. Don't get me wrong here, I keep trying and am getting used to the headaches.

      That's why you install it once and upgrade in place with a tool like apt. You don't need to reinstall linux every 6 months like windows.

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    2. Re:This is why Knoppix is cool by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1

      I grabbed the c't Knoppix 3.4 with 2.6 kernel: utterly fantastic. What a way to play with the new kernel! And the results: I spent the whole day in Knoppix while managing servers, writing code, corresponding, web surfing, building SCO attack viruses (*KIDDING*)...al while listening to mp3's from my laptop's NTFS harddrive. No matter how many apps I had running, no matter the load KDE didn't get jerky and there was nary a skip, stutter or pause in the music. All from a OS running off a CD. Wow. It was without a doubt faster than XP Pro on the same box -- in user experience, anyway. Very nice!

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  42. Or how about an anti-spyware/virus CD? by Chordonblue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Man, I'd pay real money for this! Imagine if you could build a Linux CD to scan Windows HD's for Spyware and Viruses! There'd be no need to even boot the host OS and install anything to do it.

    Of course, I don't know of any software in Linux that will scan for Windows crapware. {sigh}

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    1. Re:Or how about an anti-spyware/virus CD? by (H)elix1 · · Score: 1

      Imagine if you could build a Linux CD to scan Windows HD's for Spyware and Viruses!

      They can and do. I hung on to a SuSE live eval CD for just this purpose. Safest way of looking at a box that was owned and you needed to connect it to the network to save something big.

      Some of the services folks would get flushed, think they were clever, and not bother to give a password. SuSE would let me mount the file system and ftp the files to another system - reading NTFS just fine. Might not be able to save the windows partition, but you could usually recover most of the important source files / docs / misc...

    2. Re:Or how about an anti-spyware/virus CD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out this: LinuxDefender.

  43. Getting to be a crowded market: by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bio-Linux
    BioBrew
    DNALinux

    I'm a developer for one of the above projects. Competition is interesting.

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  44. GO UPR !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah... first time I see my university here on /. Or any other news site !!!

    GO PUERTO RICO !!!!

  45. DICOM Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm a little dissappointed that there are no DICOM viewers / toolkits in this distro. Is that because there no decent open-source DICOM viewers/solutions yet exist?

    DICOM stands for Digital Imaging and Communications in Medicine. It is THE standard for storing and transfering medical image data, be it CT images, MRI images or even 3D radiation dose distributions. The spec for this data format weighs in at a monster 1200 pages, so rolling your own parser when building a medical app seems pretty much out of the question.

    (Caveat: the page is slashdotted, so i had trouble searching all the packages)

    1. Re:DICOM Features by hortiz · · Score: 1

      The NIH ImageJ package includes DICOM support. I think it even works on bio-knoppix 0.2 beta.

  46. Plural of Knoppix? by davebarz · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wouldn't the plural of "Knoppix" be "Knoppices"?

  47. It's Knoppixe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry to put you down. But my vote, as native german speaker, goes to "Knoppixe".
    The "e" is pronounced as a schwa vovel. Plus the "K" is not silent!

  48. Interesting product by MoobY · · Score: 1

    At our group at our university, we use a lot of diverse programs for several bioinformatics projects.

    Some students might like the idea of having a linux system at home, just like what they work on with great pleasure at the university. This while not having to fear their windows to be destroyed somehow.

    One of the first things at work will be to check out this knoppix edition and see how useful it can get.

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  49. Clam AntiVirus by temojen · · Score: 1

    Clam AntiVirus can scan for windows viruses. I don't know about spyware.

    Open Source Linux / UNIX Anti Virus
  50. A Knoppix I would like by rosewood · · Score: 1

    How about one compiled to run on Athlon64s, with drivers for all the popular Athlon 64 notebooks (Radeon mobility, etc), and ready to go with cool crypto and high number crunching applications so I can actually use those parts of the CPU that are sitting lonely and undesired in this x86 32 bit world.

  51. my favorite knoppix distro/varient by enrico_suave · · Score: 2, Informative

    KnoppMyth

    Practically a linux PVR on a bootable CD...

    E.

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  52. Forensic Utilities by son_of_asdf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have found the Knoppix STD disc to be of endless utility in conducting forensic examinations. Just haul along Knoppix and a spare HD to stick disc images on and you're set. If you have to conduct an on the spot examination and don't have the luxury of making a drive image, just fire up the hex viewer-I couldn't work with out it. Give a copy a try: The homepage here can fill you in on everything.

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  53. Quantian and others by d-Orb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Due to work reasons, I have to use a number of numerical packages, such as Octave, GNU R (I don't feel like typing URLs; use google), python, and other stuff (like yacas, maxima, lyx/latex, GRASS...). For these purposes, Quantian is a superb Knoppix remaster. With some work files on a USB keyring (or on a website), I have my own personalised desktop to carry around. And I can do OpenMosix as well, should the need arise!

    1. Re:Quantian and others by jabberjaw · · Score: 1

      As an undergrad interested in numerical analysis I sincerely thank you and am downloading Quantian now. You wouldn't by any chance know of a similar project for the PPC would you?

  54. 3.3 and my digital camera, wireless cards, etc by jarich · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've played with linux for years but never got the expertise level to make the fluff stuff work (scanners, cameras, etc). I can compile my own kernels, etc... but never the consumer devices. On my laptop, out of the box, my wireless card works. My wife's digital camera works. It has a utlity I used to resize my NTFS partition. It has a ~working~ DVD player and cd burner. I repeat, I didn't have to patch the kernel. I didn't have to download anything! This was easier that the last windows box I setup! I have ~never~ gotten this level of consumer usable Linux from anyone else.. not RH, not Mandrake, no-one. Go Knoppix! I've already given copies to 3 other Wintel users. :) This one is ready for prime time. btw, using the toram flag at boot time runs the whole thing out of memory! It's really fast! :)

    1. Re:3.3 and my digital camera, wireless cards, etc by dilute · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the same stuff works on Debian. A straight Debian install these days is pretty easy, and will give you a more stable setup that Knoppix, good as Knoppix is.

  55. An alternative... by stm2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is an alternative distribution for bioinformatics. It is based on Slax (A live distro based on Slackware) and it's is called: DNALinux.
    Disclaimer: I am one of the authors of DNALinux. The program is free as in GPL.

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    1. Re:An alternative... by Angry+Toad · · Score: 1

      Looks interesting, but some of these live bio-linux-type CDs need fuller listings on their sites of what software is included in the distribution. Just looking at the website I end up asking "what sequence alignment viewers/editors are there?", "Does it have MrBayes? Phylip?" and so on. Bioknoppix in particular seems pretty but has a very limited set of software listed...

    2. Re:An alternative... by stm2 · · Score: 1

      Regarding the list of programs in DNALinux, it is on the FAQ and the first news at the top of news-page (just click on the "read more" link.
      Phylip is not GPL, and I don't remember what kind of licence it has (it is not part on EMBOSS because a licence issue, that is why is on EMBASSY).
      Don't know about MrBayes. But will take into account for next version.

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  56. Layers by MyHair · · Score: 3, Funny

    So...ogres are like KNOPPIX?

    1. Re:Layers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have got a live CD, and I'm not afraid to use it!

  57. Re:how about knoppix recovery/security cdroms? by xot · · Score: 1

    Theres a linux version called Trinux.
    Its a security concsious distro that boots from a single floppy and you'd need another floppy if you need more than the basic security tools for linux.Def worth a checkout.

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  58. Re:how about knoppix recovery/security cdroms? by Zerakith · · Score: 1

    Knoppix-STD perhaps? (for the security part), thought not something you can just put in and let it scan, so a simpler version you could distribute to all family+friends to check their network would rock :)

  59. phlak by nothing_23 · · Score: 1

    phlak, although based on Morphix it has just about every security utility you could imagine.

  60. Bioinformatics progs on CD but Rasmol?! by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 2, Informative

    Okay, it's a pretty cool idea and it goes one step further than what my friends and I (grad students in biology or chemistry) have done on our own by putting useful biochemistry tools on a CD for when we travel. But Rasmol?! It's antiquidated and was replaced by Protein Explorer, a Rasmol derivative, three or four years ago. If you want a free, compact, powerful, and reasonably easy-to-use program that can be run on linux/mac/windows for viewing macromolecular structures then you use Deep View
    Swiss-PdbViewer. It can do a lot of what the molecular visualization programs we actually use to build protein structures (eg O, Xtalview) can do, plus you can use it to generate good-quality images by using POV-Ray.

    1. Re:Bioinformatics progs on CD but Rasmol?! by hortiz · · Score: 1

      We used to have a CD image with VMD (Visual Molecular Dynamics) which is much nicer than rasmol, but the license precludes redistribution. We do have Cn3D, the NCBI's protein viewer. I'll look into the other alternatives, especially Deep View, for the next release.

    2. Re:Bioinformatics progs on CD but Rasmol?! by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 1

      Too bad about VMD, it looks pretty slick. I haven't tried Cn3D but I asked around the structural biology labs here at U. Oregon and it seems nobody uses it much. If it's for something besides model building people here tend to use Deep View, although a couple use Xtalview or O for everything.

  61. Insightful, NO Trool, YES by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
    What's the difference between an booting an Apple II and a Knoppix PC? Hardware notwithstanding, you can store a similar amount of software on each,

    Who modded this up as insightful? While Knoppix does by default open the hard drives as read-only (to protect them from an accident from a newbiee), it's easy enough to issue a remount command and have full access to the hard drive if you want it. So a Knoppix CD comes with about 2 Gig of good software on it (in a compressed format that it can run the software from) and can write to all the FAT volumes you have available, as well as to any external drive (such as a pen drive). In what way is this even remotely like the limitations of an Apple II?

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  62. Another specialization by pummer · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the Overclocking community, we use Overclockix, a distro specified for testing new overclocks and also using distributed computing apps without a hard drive.

  63. Here's how to do something similar for Windows! by WhoDaresWins · · Score: 3, Informative

    If any of you were wondering how to do something similar with Windows then now you can! I realise that this being slashdot there are going to be flames about why would you do this etc? For the simple reason that not all porgrams are available on Linux.

    Anyway coming back to the topic of how to do this for Windows. Well first of all there is this thing called Windows PE (Pre-installtion Environment) which is basically a Microsoft created bootable Windows CD for computer OEMs. Its basically a very stripped down version of Windows XP (or Win2K3) with just a command prompt and the ability to run some simple GUI programs. But this WinPE is normally only available to OEMs and system builders (but it isn't hard to find online retailers for it). However WinPE isn't very useful from a full usable system point of view. So someone has come up with a way to make your own customized WinPE like bootable Windows CD. All you need is the instructions and your own Windows CD to do it. Here's where you can find more information -

    Bart's Preinstalled Environment (BartPE) bootable live windows CD/DVD

  64. Re:how about knoppix recovery/security cdroms? by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

    featherlinux is this, and can fit onto a 64mb usb memory stick.

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  65. Knoppix Security Tools Distribution by Fragmented_Datagram · · Score: 1

    Check it:

    http://www.knoppix-std.org/

  66. Re:uhm by ozric99 · · Score: 1

    Which is, to a certain extent, why consoles exist. A PC, however, is a different beast. Why should I have to reboot my system, interrupting whatever I was working on, if i just want to play a quick half hour of counterstrike in my lunch break?

  67. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up! Damn useful stuff!

  68. KnoppiXMAME by antdude · · Score: 2, Informative

    KnoppiXMAME for MAME stuff. :)

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  69. Re:how about knoppix recovery/security cdroms? by Vladimir · · Score: 2, Informative

    Recently I realized just how easy it is to extend Knoppix if you're using DVD. First of all, you can burn Knoppix ISO on DVD and get a bootable system. It makes sense because DVD are generally faster than CD and system will use only 1/7 of the space so seek times are much lower. (Just for completness: to burn ISO on DVD+R/W, you just say "growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/cdimage/knoppix.iso", et voila, it's done; may also work with "-R/W", but I'm not sure). Another nice feature of growisofs is that it can write the next session:
    "growisofs -M /dev/dvd -r /usr/local/games" and all your games can be found in the root catalog (i'm sure mkisofs has an option to put it elsewhere)
    So, you start with standard knoppix and add about 3.8GB of your favorite software: no need to repackage and create compressed isofs.

    BTW, it also probably means that a malicious application can in theory alter Knoppix if it's on CDR/W, esp. if mkisofs and growisofs are included.

  70. Re:uhm by LostCluster · · Score: 1

    Uhm... because you're not allowed to install CounterStrike on your work PC, yet the admin is clueless enough to allow Knoppix to detect and work with the network? :)

  71. KnoppixMAME by jimmcq · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Speaking of Knoppixes for Fun:
    KnoppixMAME is a bootable arcade machine emulator with hardware detection and autoconfiguration. It works automatically on all modern and not-so-modern hardware, including gameports and joysticks. It is powered by Knoppix Debian GNU/Linux, X-MAME, and gxmame.

  72. KnoppMyth is POTENTIALLY cool by waferhead · · Score: 1

    It would be awesome if it was current enough to actually work.

    Mythtv has come a LONG way since the release knoppmyth was based on, even in a few short months.

    My main problem was xmltv, and any attempt to do an apt-get update//install xmltv hosed it totally.

    I even tried just building xmltv from source, and just pulling it's dependencies--- still horked.

    I eventually got it working on Mandrake cooker, now if the transcosing made the files smaller ratehr than fill my 120G drive on every attempt,
    it wiul be fully functional.

    urpmi --auto-select in progress...

    Tip--- Under 2.6, with devfs, devices are in /udev ... The ones in /dev seem to remap for some apps, and not for others.

  73. Grub KNOPPIX Netboot HOWTO by MyHair · · Score: 1
    (I was going to post my menu.lst, but I can't find my disk! I'll post a reply to this with my menu.lst when I find my disk.)

    Well, I can't find the stupid disk. Okay, I'll reconstruct it as best as I can--without testing--from memory, documentation and peeking at KNOPPIX's startup settings:

    My menu.lst looked something like this:
    default=0
    timeout=5

    title KNOPPIX netboot
    dhcp
    ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5
    root (nd)
    kernel /vmlinuz-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/cdrom nodhcp lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off nomce hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 quiet noprompt noeject
    initrd /miniroot-current.gz


    That nodhcp in the kernel parameters doesn't look right; I cut and pasted that from KNOPPIX's pxelinux.cfg/default file, so you may need to axe that for Grub, but try it this way first. Also, I think noprompt and noeject are parameters I threw in there to try to avoid the CD eject prompt, but those cheat codes don't seem to work for the KNOPPIX netboot init script. (They do for a local boot.) The rest of the parameters were scoped either from KNOPPIX's /tftboot/pxelinux.cfg/default or the syslinux.cfg file in the boot.img. Note that I had to remove initrd=miniroot.gz and BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix when copied from the syslinux version of the kernel parameters since Grub loads the initrd directly and BOOT_IMAGE is some syslinux thing I think. (Come to think of it, I wonder if this is used by the init script? well, it worked without it for me.)

    I don't recall how KNOPPIX's tftp server is set up; you may need to add a /tftpboot to the beginning of the paths for the kernel and initrd.

    The magic is in the dhcp, ifconfig and root (nd) lines. See the network section of the Grub manual for details, but basically dhcp grabs an IP and (nd) is network device. Since I didn't put the tftp server location in my DHCP server config I had to add the line ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5 to specify it.

    nfsdir= is used by the KNOPPIX init script to find the /path-is-usually-cdrom/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX image.

    To do this, first download the source. Grub uses etherboot's drivers (included with Grub source), and it seems like I had better luck with either of Grub 0.93 or 0.92, but I may be getting confused with another project I did so both may be good. 0.94 is new since I last looked. unpack it and look at /path-to/grub-0.9x/netboot/README.netboot for which drivers you want. Example: ./configure --enable-3c90x . After compiling, format a floppy with either a fat, minix or ext2 filesystem, make a directory of either /grub/ or /boot/grub/ , copy stage1 and stage2 to the grub directory and make your menu.lst there. Then, assuming your floppy is fd0, run grub (or boot a grub boot disk) and enter the following manual commands:

    root (fd0)
    setup (fd0)
    Grub should find stage1, stage2 and menu.lst and install stage1 in the boot sector.

    Come to think of it, etherboot may be able to specify a tftp server during compile time, and it definitely can be written to a floppy disk. However I like Grub for its versatility. And Grub can be compiled for support for multiple network cards; I'm not sure if an etherboot *.lzdsk can do that. I can also modify all Grub parameters at runtime, and I'm farily sure I can't do that with etherboot. (/me checks rom-o-matic.net) Doesn't look like etherboot can hardcode a tftpserver or even specify an IP address if necessary. Grub can at runtime.
    1. Re:Grub KNOPPIX Netboot HOWTO by MyHair · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention that I rename my KNOPPIX vmlinuz and miniroot.gz with version numbers and symlink them to vmlinuz-current and miniroot-current.gz. Adjust as necessary for you.

      Here are those two lines again, this time with the pathnames highlighted. Like I say, you may need to adjust the filename, and depending on how KNOPPIX's tftpserver is set up you may need to add /tftpboot to the beginning of the pathnames:

      kernel /vmlinuz-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/knoppix nodhcp lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off nomce hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 quiet noprompt noeject
      initrd /miniroot-current.gz

  74. Biopython on a Beowulf cluster by grouse · · Score: 1

    Actually I run Biopython on a 1200+ node Beowulf cluster on a regular basis, so the answer is yes.

  75. Claim my prize by +ve_flow · · Score: 1

    With the correct answer to the word puzzle, the giant fluffy toy is mine! "layers" == GNU ... right? :-P

  76. Done for anti virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitdefender using a rebuilt knoppix not done for spy ware yet Someone a nice project. In past I have used a boot linux striped back with a wine system running a windows antivirus but Bitdefender is faster.

    ie Linux Defender question is how long before all anti-virus companys put out this.

  77. AT&T Wireless EDGE card Knoppix by crapnutassneck · · Score: 1

    Has anyone rolled a Knoppix CD with support for the Sony/Ericcson GC82 card?

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  78. Specialization-Gender bender. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knoppix for hemaphrodites. It's success could go either way.

  79. Specialization-Hope on a rope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "None of thinks of each demo disk as a specialized distro, it's just an all-in- one demo disk."

    Yup! The ultimate demo disks. Remember CBT disks? Now imagine that kind of handholding coupled with the real app? I also see these doing well in this down economy for out of work techies. both as living resumes, and portable trainers.

    Throw in proprietary apps and emulation and the knoppix world gets even bigger.

  80. Free hosting for ISO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I had my own Knoppix variation distro, are there free hosting sites that would allow downloading of large ISO files?

  81. BartPE useful but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a very useful tool but it has some problems.

    1. Hardware detection is minimal, basically it runs in 'safe mode', meaning 800x600 with network but few other devices. This makes it unusuable for real applications other than system administration.

    2. Cost: since it's not free, you effectively need a Win2k/XP license with every CD, and this makes it unusuable for software distribution.

    So it does demonstrate that Windows LiveCDs are theoretically possible but it does not answer the two unique selling points (is this possible?) of a Knoppix-based LiveCD: it's free, and it detects hardware brilliantly.

  82. Can we have slashdoxppix... by charlieafrid · · Score: 1

    Just wondering if slashdot community would be interested in making something like slashdoppix for the slashdot community to have all the sys admin and server management utilities in there.

  83. Re:Insightful, NO Trool, YES by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
    I think you're forgetting that an Apple II can store hundreds of programs on one floppy. The software was smaller back then. Sure, there are more advanced? word processors, spreadsheets, games and such on a Knoppix disc, but if you break it down to true functionality, not a lot has changed. You can still check your email, play a very entertaining game, work on a text document with fonts and formatting, and balance your checkbook. You can even surf the net (somewhat) with an Apple II gs. (I'm not even talking a 3.5 floppy either.) Prodos will let you mount a hardrive too.

    It's all about scale, and how things like floppies, thin clients, and disco keep coming around in some form or another. That's what I was pointing out. And kinda trolling too ;)

  84. Re:LiveCDs in the enterprise? PXE Boot+nfs+ovlfs by poopie · · Score: 1

    The only real function of Live CDs in the enterprise is provide exposure to Linux to people with no risk.

    The enterprise version of "live CD" is called PXE boot of a network OS install.

    Change a bios setting and your computer boots off of the network.

    Also, in the enterprise, where you have homedirectory servers, shared application servers, /usr/local/ servers, nearline storage, etc. All you really need is a network boot OS and nfs storage, but it's hard to replace local disk swap with network disk.

    An interesting twist on this is to use the overlay filesystem on top of a network boot image, so that users can actually modify files in an overlay layer and save those layers of changes

  85. knoppix recovery/security cdroms? - BartPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to check your windows partition? Or any OS?
    Windows on CD. BartPE. Similar to WindowsPE, but extensible. It uses plugins to use certain software. So you can use AdAware, if you also install the adaware plugin (which adds in registry entries and extra files adaware needs to run).
    By default is uses a different GUI than windows does, mostly because to get 'explorer' to run, it'd need a lot of work. There is, however, a plugin that enables both 'explorer' and 'internet explorer.'
    You can also install adaware, partition magic, ghost, several antivirus programs, and any number of other applications. Network support is included, but modem support is not enabled or supported by default. Nor is sound. That needs some work to get running. Although a rescue cd doesn't need audio or dial up support, to be honest. You can also make your own plugins, to use whichever program you want. And any program that does not need registry entries, or files that are not already on your cd (Some programs, say, need visual basic runtimes. If they are not installed, yer SOL. But you can add those files to be included in your bootable CD, if you add them into your plugin file), can run OOTB and fly.
    As it is windows, it also has inate support for NTFS drives, and there is no risk of corrupting the drive by inaccurate writing. (Linux ntfs support can be iffy at best).

    (You need to 'build' BartPE yourself. You hvae a script, which reads from your installed windows XP SP1 installation, as well as a slipstreamed Windows XP SP1 install CD. It will not work with plain XP. It also works with Windows Server 2003.

    http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
    Base website, with downloads.

    http://www.911cd.net/forums/
    Web support forums, with sub-forums for the 911 rescue CD, and BartPE. Also includes new plugins not on the official base website.

    Overall, though, knoppix is a more full featured disc. And as posted already, knoppix-std is a great secure variant to standard knoppix.

  86. Re:Insightful, NO Trool, YES by Ben+Urban · · Score: 1

    You can check your email on an Apple //? Is there some kind of internal 802.11 antenna that i'm not aware of?

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  87. DVD Knoppix by johnlunney · · Score: 1

    I noticed several people saying that they had things that are too large for a single CD, such as mineral data. Why can't we use DVDs for Knoppix ?

  88. Linux for Travellers - Re:Specialization by ianturton · · Score: 1
    Look at JUMP http://www.vividsolutions.com/jump/main.htm for an example. This is able to connect to Open GIS Consortium (OCG, www.opengis.org) web map servers so you don't even need to cart the data arround with you. A Web Map Server (WMS) sends you an image of the area of map you've asked for so it's quick and easy to down load the maps you need.

    Ian

    Centre for Computational Geography, Uni of Leeds

    1. Re:Linux for Travellers - Re:Specialization by ae · · Score: 1

      Are you aware of any free, public Web Map Servers that are available?

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    2. Re:Linux for Travellers - Re:Specialization by ianturton · · Score: 1
  89. Sound cards and speakers by DaChesserCat · · Score: 1

    At a previous employer, we had network-based training materials we could access on various subjects. Each one was basically a glorified Flash file, complete with voice-over and demonstrations of various things. The person who'd purchased my workstation (the department manager) felt, as you do, that sound cards and speakers have no place in a corporate environment. Consequently, when I needed to access some of the training material, I couldn't hear a blasted thing. There was no "closed caption" for the voice-over, so the training was basically useless. After pointing this out, they promptly acquired a sound card and speakers for me. I usually used headphones instead of the speakers, but what the heck.

    That give you some ideas?

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  90. Enough with the live CDs already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we will NEVER know how many Linux desktops and/or users are out there! Getting reliable statistics of current Linux vs. Windows desktops would be like gauging the population of Manhattan/any major metropolitan area: it would balloon upwards during the day, and drop down drastically at dusk.

  91. Re:Insightful, NO Drool, YES by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
    Pine (running on your mail server) allows you to log in and check your email remotely, even with a Tandy 102 (which I own - less power than an Apple II, runs basic programs for 2 weeks or more on four AA batteries.), or dumb terminal.

    You can also check the recent Slashdot stories of Contiki - this OS for Commie64s lets you surf the net. This is a good example of how thin clients are nothing new. And how old machines can do more than they are given credit for.

  92. My Real, Tested Grub Netboot Menu.lst by MyHair · · Score: 1
    Aha! I found my disk. Remember Grub needes the netboot driver compiled in. And Knoppix's terminal server may or may not need the leading /tftpboot in the pathnames. I have only altered the real IP address for security. Note that kernel and miniroot "-current"'s are symlinked on the tftp server to the current (Knoppix 3.3) kernel and miniroot. Here's the menu.lst I actually use:
    default 0
    timeout 10

    title KNOPPIX-wheelmouse
    dhcp
    ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5
    root (nd)
    kernel /tftpboot/vmlinuz-knoppix-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/knoppix lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 quiet noprompt noeject wheelmouse
    initrd /tftpboot/miniroot-knoppix-current.gz

    title KNOPPIX-nowheelmouse
    dhcp
    ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5
    root (nd)
    kernel /tftpboot/vmlinuz-knoppix-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/knoppix lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 quiet noprompt noeject nowheelmouse
    initrd /tftpboot/miniroot-knoppix-current.gz

    title KNOPPIX-normal
    dhcp
    ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5
    root (nd)
    kernel /tftpboot/vmlinuz-knoppix-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/knoppix lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 noprompt noeject quiet
    initrd /tftpboot/miniroot-knoppix-current.gz

    title KNOPPIX-runlevel-2-(no-X)
    dhcp
    ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5
    root (nd)
    kernel /tftpboot/vmlinuz-knoppix-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/knoppix lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 quiet noprompt noeject 2
    initrd /tftpboot/miniroot-knoppix-current.gz

    title KNOPPIX--b
    dhcp
    ifconfig --server=10.0.0.5
    root (nd)
    kernel /tftpboot/vmlinuz-knoppix-current nfsdir=10.0.0.5:/knoppix lang=us ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init apm=power-off hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi vga=791 quiet noprompt noeject -b
    initrd /tftpboot/miniroot-knoppix-current.gz
  93. GIS knoppix disto by Teddy+Caddy · · Score: 1

    check out this GIS flavored Knoppix release. It has other GIS installed besides GRASS. It will give you an idea about other GIS on Linux. http://www.sourcepole.com/gis-knoppix/