I don't think the real issue is merely removing IE, but rather the fact that it's hardwired to the OS and "breaks" Windows if removed. IE is ok in my book, not my prefered browser under Windows, but the fact that you can't remove it is what bothers me.
Beyond the fact that Apple is a hardware company, the straight fact of the matter is that Apple markets directly to designers, artists, musicians and videographers... a space where the PPC G4 really shines. Porting OSX to x86 would alienate a large portion of the installed creative user base.... myself included. Maybe if they ported OSX Server or Darwin to x86, they could gain a foothold in enterprise computing. I can't think of any designer I know that would actually have a reason to purchase OSX Server.
Also, if Apple finally takes control of the G5 development, they could finally give the PPC the attention that Motorola doesn't give it.
Dell's decision to drop Linux as an install option is less disturbing to me than their decision to not sell "blank" machines or let people know how to get refunds for unused Windws licenses. I would go out and buy a Dell if I could get a "blank" box. As it is, I think I'll have to become more of a geek than I ever thought I would be and build my own box if only to make sure MS doesn't get a penny from me. ---------------------------
I just recently inherited a Dell Latitude laptop and installed SuSE Linux on it. While I must say it was a relatively painless install, configuring my DSL connection was not painless.
I'm an experienced computer user as far as Mac and Windows is concerned and I'm positive that's the only reason I was able to set up my DSL connection. If my mom were to ever attempt such a feat, I'm sure she'd give up extremely fast and switch back to MacOS really fast. It just isn't intuitive or easy to figure it all out.
That said, I'm really excited to have a Linux box finally and a distro that I can install on the Dell as well as on my again PPC 7200/75. I played with the GIMP and Killustrator for a couple of days and have concluded that I'm really glad I have 2 Mac's I can run Photoshop and Illustrator on. Don't get me wrong, I think both the GIMP and Killustrator (or whatever it's new name will be) are important OpenSource projects, but damn do they have a long way to go before they are ready for professional users to embrace them.
...or I probably wouldn't have even picked up the book. I probably would have never seen "Easy Rider" (or known what it was about), if I wasn't interested in freedom loving counter-culture and prejudice.
I understand what you mean by the previous sentence, but you might want to look a little closer at it. It implies that you have an interest prejudice when what you probably mean is that you have in interest in understanding the causes of prejudice and want to work toward diminishing it.
It still blows me away that people think dual monitor configurations are a novel idea. Put in a second video card or get a card with built in dual monitor support and simply plug in a second monitor.
Oh wait. I forgot. 99.999% of the people on/. staunchly refuse to use Mac's so they would never know just how simple it is to accomplish this task and that Mac users have had this luxury for well over a decade.
Wow! And you think Apple is in a Tower of Hubris!? Look in the mirror, dude. That was the least informative post I've read in quite some time. Wishing I had moderator's rights just about now.
Motorola engineered AltiVec which makes Photoshop go fast fast fast on a Mac. I make my living off of Photoshop and Illustrator, etc. Therefore, the AltiVec co-processor on the G4 helps me make a living. I love the little bugger! Get off your high horse! Not everyone is a programmer nor is everyone adminsitering some huge piece of iron from IBM. Calm yourself down and get just a touch of perspective!!
I'll recite the old cliché. You get what you pay for.
I'm an avid mac user... hopefully not a zealot but that's for others to decide. Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash and BBEdit are my life's blood. I know that there are Windows versions/equivalents of the same software, but Illustrator and Photoshop under Windows is just nightmarish compared to under MacOS. Maybe it's the PPC chip, maybe it's OS9.x. I don't know why it is this way, but I do know that since I make my livelihood off of graphics apps, I'd rather pay for a machine that costs more and is going to have a long and fruitful life rather than get some cheapo Intel commodity box with a shoddy OS running it.
I've owned 5 mac's so far and only one of them has died... my venerable MacPlus. Even my 7200/75 still lives on as a rudimentary http and ftp server. So, no, I'm not aggravated with Apple. I'd love it if the prices would come down, but I really have no other professional option at this point other than to purchase their hardware.
KIllustrator is a clone product of Illustrator, its the same type of product (software), doing the same thing (raster drawing). Of course the name is meant to capitalize on Adobe's product!
Being the nitpicker I am, it should be noted that Illustrator is in fact a vector darwing program and not a raster drawing program. You can rasterize elements in Illustrator and import raster images and you can export to a variety of raster and vector formats.
An intersting paralel is Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The book is infinitely better but the movie was fantatic. The plot had the time to develop. The characters stood a chance. Johnny Depp WAS Hunter S.
No one had time to become Paul Muad 'dib(sp?). It took me less time to read F&L that it did to watch the movie.
What actually got to me about the mini series was the lighting of most of the scenes. It lloked like low budget theater as ooposed to introspective personal moments. ---------------------------
Tech don't mean squat. Dune isn't about effects. It's all about story telling and character development. In the novels I cared about Paul. In the mini series, Paul was a pretentious fop! Chani was just a traditional wife who could fight when the occasion called for it.
What the Dune series needs is a real storyteller... a great director... not better special effects.
They are trying hard to make enemies with a large development community.
Well, since they care more about designers and content creators than they do about developers, go ahead and make your stupid little empty threats. You wouldn't even know what to do with Illustrator if it was put in front of you.
Seeing as Adobe knows nothing about authorising these guys (supposedly) then they could sue these lawyer guys for damaging their reputation - I mean, a lot of us here have suddenly decided to hate Adobe all of a sudden!
All of a sudden? Adobe charges money for software, so therefore all/.ers must hate them. Don't you know the rules?
You bet I can, and by the usual means: coding them out of existence.
So, you're oing to write the app that will topple Photoshop and Illustrator from their respective thrones? The usual means? Come on! How many individual/. readers have coded an Adobe product out of the marketplace?
I've used the GIMP before and it's just not a professional level tool on par with Photoshop. I appreciate the existence of the GIMP. It's an important product, but it just doesn't match up to the level of sophistication and elegance of Photoshop.
The idea of the GIMP as a serious contender for the throne of image editing is just ludicrous though.
And yes, people do tend to rely on filters a bit too much.... when they're beginning. As your talent level matures, you discover there are much more efficient and sophisticated ways to achieve many of the same effects without the destructive effects of filters.
Oh come on. How many Linux L33t kidz are gonna fork out $600 for Illustrator let alone bother toactually learn how to use the program in any useful fashion? I can see it now, "This UI is horrible! Where the CLI? I could just program all of this in postscript! (in ten years) Why are there two pointer thingies?" Illustrator is a program for graphic designers and Linux is not a platform known to draw many graphic designers. ---------------------------
The real threat to adobe whould be if killustrator got ported to OSX (a good posibility givin OSX's Unix underbelly). how many graphic artists using Macs would abandon Illustrator for a free version? there is already a lot of interest in GIMP, the free photoshopish application.
No serious graphic artist in their right mind is going to give up Illustrator or Freehand or Photoshop for free versions of apps with functionality that only matches standards that were acceptable 5 or 6 years ago. The GIMP is great for people who really don't need to get serious commercial quality work done under serious deadlines and just want to create simple graphics for the desktop or web pages, but for those of us who actually do need to get work done fast and efficiently, well I'll stick with Photoshop and Illustrator despite their hefty price tags. One or two job can pay for both apps very easily!
Hmmmm.... a vector illustration program with a name suspiciouly reminiscent of the industry leader.
Adobe has a lot vested in Illustrator and I see no reason why they shouldn't put pressure on people who consciously ride their coattails.
The folks responsible for Killustrator probably haven't put much original functionality into the program wither if they can't even come up with an original name.
Photography had a rough road gaining acceptance as a fine art for a long time also. Right now, computers are seen more as tools of business than they are as tools of art.
Until things stop looking "photoshoped" or "Flashed" and schools of expression start using the computer as part of an artistic regiment, it won't happen.
Chances are, computers will merely be a part of an artist's toolbox rather than as a medium in and of itself. Frankly, I don't care if it's ever considered an art form but I do see photoshop and illustrator and other apps as really important tools. ---------------------------
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I don't think the real issue is merely removing IE, but rather the fact that it's hardwired to the OS and "breaks" Windows if removed. IE is ok in my book, not my prefered browser under Windows, but the fact that you can't remove it is what bothers me.
Beyond the fact that Apple is a hardware company, the straight fact of the matter is that Apple markets directly to designers, artists, musicians and videographers... a space where the PPC G4 really shines. Porting OSX to x86 would alienate a large portion of the installed creative user base.... myself included. Maybe if they ported OSX Server or Darwin to x86, they could gain a foothold in enterprise computing. I can't think of any designer I know that would actually have a reason to purchase OSX Server.
Also, if Apple finally takes control of the G5 development, they could finally give the PPC the attention that Motorola doesn't give it.
Dell's decision to drop Linux as an install option is less disturbing to me than their decision to not sell "blank" machines or let people know how to get refunds for unused Windws licenses. I would go out and buy a Dell if I could get a "blank" box. As it is, I think I'll have to become more of a geek than I ever thought I would be and build my own box if only to make sure MS doesn't get a penny from me.
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I just recently inherited a Dell Latitude laptop and installed SuSE Linux on it. While I must say it was a relatively painless install, configuring my DSL connection was not painless.
I'm an experienced computer user as far as Mac and Windows is concerned and I'm positive that's the only reason I was able to set up my DSL connection. If my mom were to ever attempt such a feat, I'm sure she'd give up extremely fast and switch back to MacOS really fast. It just isn't intuitive or easy to figure it all out.
That said, I'm really excited to have a Linux box finally and a distro that I can install on the Dell as well as on my again PPC 7200/75. I played with the GIMP and Killustrator for a couple of days and have concluded that I'm really glad I have 2 Mac's I can run Photoshop and Illustrator on. Don't get me wrong, I think both the GIMP and Killustrator (or whatever it's new name will be) are important OpenSource projects, but damn do they have a long way to go before they are ready for professional users to embrace them.
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I understand what you mean by the previous sentence, but you might want to look a little closer at it. It implies that you have an interest prejudice when what you probably mean is that you have in interest in understanding the causes of prejudice and want to work toward diminishing it.
Just a thought
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It still blows me away that people think dual monitor configurations are a novel idea. Put in a second video card or get a card with built in dual monitor support and simply plug in a second monitor.
Oh wait. I forgot. 99.999% of the people on /. staunchly refuse to use Mac's so they would never know just how simple it is to accomplish this task and that Mac users have had this luxury for well over a decade.
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Wow! And you think Apple is in a Tower of Hubris!? Look in the mirror, dude. That was the least informative post I've read in quite some time. Wishing I had moderator's rights just about now.
Motorola engineered AltiVec which makes Photoshop go fast fast fast on a Mac. I make my living off of Photoshop and Illustrator, etc. Therefore, the AltiVec co-processor on the G4 helps me make a living. I love the little bugger! Get off your high horse! Not everyone is a programmer nor is everyone adminsitering some huge piece of iron from IBM. Calm yourself down and get just a touch of perspective!!
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I'll recite the old cliché. You get what you pay for.
I'm an avid mac user... hopefully not a zealot but that's for others to decide. Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash and BBEdit are my life's blood. I know that there are Windows versions/equivalents of the same software, but Illustrator and Photoshop under Windows is just nightmarish compared to under MacOS. Maybe it's the PPC chip, maybe it's OS9.x. I don't know why it is this way, but I do know that since I make my livelihood off of graphics apps, I'd rather pay for a machine that costs more and is going to have a long and fruitful life rather than get some cheapo Intel commodity box with a shoddy OS running it.
I've owned 5 mac's so far and only one of them has died... my venerable MacPlus. Even my 7200/75 still lives on as a rudimentary http and ftp server. So, no, I'm not aggravated with Apple. I'd love it if the prices would come down, but I really have no other professional option at this point other than to purchase their hardware.
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KNI as in Killustrator Not Illustrator is about as original as plain old Killustrator. Come on! Be original!
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KIllustrator is a clone product of Illustrator, its the same type of product (software), doing the same thing (raster drawing). Of course the name is meant to capitalize on Adobe's product!
Being the nitpicker I am, it should be noted that Illustrator is in fact a vector darwing program and not a raster drawing program. You can rasterize elements in Illustrator and import raster images and you can export to a variety of raster and vector formats.
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An intersting paralel is Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The book is infinitely better but the movie was fantatic. The plot had the time to develop. The characters stood a chance. Johnny Depp WAS Hunter S.
No one had time to become Paul Muad 'dib(sp?). It took me less time to read F&L that it did to watch the movie.
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What actually got to me about the mini series was the lighting of most of the scenes. It lloked like low budget theater as ooposed to introspective personal moments.
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Tech don't mean squat. Dune isn't about effects. It's all about story telling and character development. In the novels I cared about Paul. In the mini series, Paul was a pretentious fop! Chani was just a traditional wife who could fight when the occasion called for it.
What the Dune series needs is a real storyteller... a great director... not better special effects.
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They are trying hard to make enemies with a large development community.
Well, since they care more about designers and content creators than they do about developers, go ahead and make your stupid little empty threats. You wouldn't even know what to do with Illustrator if it was put in front of you.
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Seeing as Adobe knows nothing about authorising these guys (supposedly) then they could sue these lawyer guys for damaging their reputation - I mean, a lot of us here have suddenly decided to hate Adobe all of a sudden!
All of a sudden? Adobe charges money for software, so therefore all /.ers must hate them. Don't you know the rules?
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You bet I can, and by the usual means: coding them out of existence.
So, you're oing to write the app that will topple Photoshop and Illustrator from their respective thrones? The usual means? Come on! How many individual /. readers have coded an Adobe product out of the marketplace?
Oh how I love /. arrogance!
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I've used the GIMP before and it's just not a professional level tool on par with Photoshop. I appreciate the existence of the GIMP. It's an important product, but it just doesn't match up to the level of sophistication and elegance of Photoshop.
The idea of the GIMP as a serious contender for the throne of image editing is just ludicrous though.
And yes, people do tend to rely on filters a bit too much.... when they're beginning. As your talent level matures, you discover there are much more efficient and sophisticated ways to achieve many of the same effects without the destructive effects of filters.
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Oh come on. How many Linux L33t kidz are gonna fork out $600 for Illustrator let alone bother toactually learn how to use the program in any useful fashion? I can see it now, "This UI is horrible! Where the CLI? I could just program all of this in postscript! (in ten years) Why are there two pointer thingies?" Illustrator is a program for graphic designers and Linux is not a platform known to draw many graphic designers.
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Sorry, Illustrator was not purchased from Aldus. PageMaker and FrameMaker were purchased by Adobe and Macromind (now Macromedia) got Freehand.
Illustrator was released in 1988 as a way to show off the features of PostScript which was created by the fine folks at Adobe.
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The real threat to adobe whould be if killustrator got ported to OSX (a good posibility givin OSX's Unix underbelly). how many graphic artists using Macs would abandon Illustrator for a free version? there is already a lot of interest in GIMP, the free photoshopish application .
No serious graphic artist in their right mind is going to give up Illustrator or Freehand or Photoshop for free versions of apps with functionality that only matches standards that were acceptable 5 or 6 years ago. The GIMP is great for people who really don't need to get serious commercial quality work done under serious deadlines and just want to create simple graphics for the desktop or web pages, but for those of us who actually do need to get work done fast and efficiently, well I'll stick with Photoshop and Illustrator despite their hefty price tags. One or two job can pay for both apps very easily!
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Hmmmm.... a vector illustration program with a name suspiciouly reminiscent of the industry leader.
Adobe has a lot vested in Illustrator and I see no reason why they shouldn't put pressure on people who consciously ride their coattails.
The folks responsible for Killustrator probably haven't put much original functionality into the program wither if they can't even come up with an original name.
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learn how to code a link!
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Photography had a rough road gaining acceptance as a fine art for a long time also. Right now, computers are seen more as tools of business than they are as tools of art.
Until things stop looking "photoshoped" or "Flashed" and schools of expression start using the computer as part of an artistic regiment, it won't happen.
Chances are, computers will merely be a part of an artist's toolbox rather than as a medium in and of itself. Frankly, I don't care if it's ever considered an art form but I do see photoshop and illustrator and other apps as really important tools.
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Of course Fireworks doesn't cut it. It's almost as kltuzy as the GIMP.
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