Is the pen as bad as it is made out to be? Did you ever run in to trouble or not get along with the other inmates? Is there any advice that you can offer to any slashdotters that have to serve some time that you wish you had known?
For example, I read that the lawyers involved in the tobacco settlement ended up with about $60000 USD per hour of work
That was calculated from the jury's award of damages, not the judge's. If I recall correctly from this case, the judge reduced the amount of damages by 1000, so the lawyers got $60/hr.
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Does anyone know where to find a copy of it? I've been looking and haven't been able to.
Microsoft, whose Windows operating system competes with Linux,
says open-source hurts a company's right to protect its intellectual property.
What hogwash
No, it is 100% accurate. The reporter is simply reporting what microsoft is claiming. The claims themselves might be completely off, but the story isn't reporting on their validity, just their existence. Microsoft IS claiming this, so this part of the story is 0% hogwash.
I'm not complaining. If a month and a half started to go by, then I'd be complaining. I'm just anxious. Deno is the strongest community-oriented person that I know of from mandrake and there are many people out there whose windows->linux transitions are directly attributable to his efforts. He makes it so easy for mandrake users to get in touch with each other and solve problems that arise. Posts in the forum have led to many of mandrake's tools that make it the great distro that it is.
I also pre-ordered the Mandrake 9 DVD release about a month ago. With the hat deal right? The thing said the hat would ship right away and the dvd would get shipped later. Did you get your hat? I sure didn't. I've heard some real horror stories about mandrakestore's shipping. Anyone here used it before? How did it go? Can you track your package with the number they gave?
Either everyone resists an unjust law, or the unjust law stands.
Agreed! The problem is not everyone knows or cares about the DMCA. Manual laborers who work 40 hours a week, sleep 49 hours a week and get pissed the other 79 hours just don't care. And nothing will make them care. I'm not sure, but if you meant "everyone who cares about the unjust law" by "everyone", even if everyone does resist this law, we still wouldn't have enough people. (See this post of mine elsewhere in the thread).
Have you seen Gandhi [imdb.com]?
No. I read up a bit on it (his movement) just now, nothing too detailed. How close to the real story is the movie?
However, by doing this and publicising it, you educate the public about the system.
Here's where our views differ. Even if we got the publicity that we think is needed, like front page of the chicago tribune, I don't think the average american will care. "Computer people" are seen by the public as arrogant. In general, they think we think we're better than them. This movement would get no sympathy from the public, sympathy which is necessary to scare lawmakers into giving in. Gandhi and MLK got that sympathy.
One of the problems is, of course, that if the entire "people with a clue" industry is jailed, you are left with a bunch of "people without a clue" trying to run all the high-tech infrastructure. Your syllogism is correct. The problem is that not everyone with a clue cares about this type of stuff. I know quite a few pretty smart people that couldn't give a rats ass about this that could run high-tech infrastructure.
I agree fully with the laziness issue, I just use xine plugins and watch DVDs, I wrote a letter to Boucher once, but that's it.
I stand corrected on the civil rights fight. Yes, of course they had to fight against laws. I'm not so sure which is harder to change though. Part of the reason they got there 1964 act was because of the popularity the movement was gaining. (Some) People felt bad for the africans because of their centuries-long plight. If the politicians didn't do something, they risked getting voted out of office. No one feels bad for people like us. Most linux users (and people who care about this DRM stuff) are at least middle class, somewhat intelligent people. People make fun of geeks openly in school but continue to hold them in a bit of contempt. Politicans risk very little in not correcting their DMCA injustice.
Looking back it would appear that I'm in favor of sitting back and letting them steamroll over us. I'm not. Something needs to be done. I just haven't seen any viable option arise yet.
Its not like the authorities stopped pursuing Skylarov when Adobe stopped pursuing him.
Correct. But would the authorities have nabbed him in the first place if Adobe hadn't persuaded them to? No. The authorities don't want to look like puppets so they aren't going to (openly) do whatever a corporation tells them. But if Adobe had never tipped them off that he was breaking the law, they wouldn't have gotten him in the first place. Think of it in the context of trespassing. Trespassing IS criminal, but the cops aren't going to nail you unless someone complains.
I definitely see what you are saying, but I truly believe we just don't have the numbers that the MLK did in the 60's. I mean, it took A LOT of effort on the protestors part to get the black folks what they wanted (they actually got more, now that discrimination against white people is legal, and discriminating against black people is illegal). They constantly fought, all day and all night for what, 10-15 years? Roughly something like that. Black people are what, 20% of the population, 10% of the population? I don't know, but probably something like that. I'll also guess that there were 200 million people in the US back then, so a rough estimate of the number of black folks is 20 million. 20 million african-americans in the united states during the civil rights revolution. Probably about half did some form of protesting. So we're talking about 10 million people constantly pitching a fit for about 12 years. How many linux users are there in the United States who care about DeCSS being legal or not? This takes away all the people who only use it at work or for a firewall or whatever. I'll take a random shot in the dark, estimating upwards, against my point, and say 3/4 of a million people. We would have to protest constantly for 130 years to achieve the same amount of protestyears/person that the blacks did. And they didn't have to fight any laws. There was no law saying "Hiring black people is illegal." We're fighting against a LAW, not convention. And the politicians value the support of the corporations whose interests they are protecting a lot more than the votes of 1/4 of a million people (guessing about 1/3 of of the people who care about this issue vote). We need the backing of a strong American corporation, or individual (Bruce Perens is an EXCELLENT start) that gets household recognition or we're basically screwed.
If you don't like my fermi techniques, gather the numbers to prove me wrong, I'll willingly accept and encourage corrections.
["Bruce not getting arrested, courts don't like hackers"]
Well said, agreed.
No, the movie studios would much rather build up a few precedents taking on the small fish.
This is truly insightful.
What would impress me is if some major Linux distiribution would release a DVD player that was based on DeCSS code as part of their software. Now THAT would really be something.
I'm not so sure. For it to be something, these things would have to happen:
1) The studios would have to pursue the case. If they don't, then people watch DVDs in linux, no real harm done. 2) The case would have to get a decent amount of publicity. I can't see this happening, except if the distribution was redhat because they have a fair amount of repuation as a law-abiding, american corporation. But then again, I don't think redhat would put said reputation on the line. If it was any other distribution, I don't think the media would care much, most businessman have never heard of "SuSE" or "Mandrake". 3) The judge would have to decide in "our" favor. If s/he says "well, distributing DeCSS code is clearly illegal - you clearly broke the law," we're even more screwed because this is a decent-sized chunk of precedent.
Someone whose influence and recognition in the "real" world (ie, not the open source community) needs to do exactly what Bruce Perens is doing (he is educating, where DeCSS has already been labeled "illegal product" like heroin) and get a lot of media attention about it (ie "My name is Bill Clinton, there's a terrible law out there, I'm about to break it by educating you about how stupid the MPAA is... (education given) now they can arrest me for doing nothing that is morally wrong"). If the judge ruled against something like that, there WOULD be a terrible uproar.
I think everyone should go out and opportunities post information about to break stuff like that "violates" the DMCA
Except that if most people started doing this and got arrested, their families would go hungry. It's perfect for someone like Bruce, who has a bit of recognition surrounding him to go out and do this. Most people don't care about computer people getting arrested for doing things that they couldn't figure out how to do. The average person thinks it "serves them computer hackers right trying to be above the law." They think the law is morally right and is to be followed without question, otherwise "why would it be the law?" (The answer: Because the members of our lawmaking bodies are being bought left and right, with the notable exception of Rep. Boucher from Virginia)
I've only seen a couple. Mandrake includes these features that I haven't seen in Redhat (notice I'm not saying "aren't there", just "I haven't seen", so correct me if Redhat contains these):
Installs updates during installation
Drakfont - gui for importing fonts from windows
Devfs, can tell easier if a device is actually there
Drakgw - gui for configuring a firewall/connection sharing machine, it works very well
urpmi - like apt-get for rpms, VERY nice (I know a long time redhat user who switched to mdk because of this)
Minimal install - you can install a very stripped down system (65mb mandrake claims)
There's no doubt more than this, this is all I could come up with of the top of my head.
Mandrake is planning to use a different compiler with 9.0 than Redhat 7.3 and Mandrake 8.2 (where RTCW runs like a champ). I don't know much about this binary incompatibleness that is spoken of.
I see this quite a bit describing Mandrake's install. I'm honestly confused by it (no sarcasm). You can get a mandrake installation to fill up only about 95mb of a harddrive (mandrake claims 65mb but I've never seen it). When I installed redhat 7.3, I deselected every single package and got about 400mb of stuff installed. I'm not trying to make a dig at redhat, it's the only other distro I've installed recently. Is there something else that makes it bloated?
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I use the imap client and newsreader daily. What is wrong with them? What are the clients that you use that don't have these problems?
> All my firewall events go into a DB, which I query daily.
You set that up yourself or use some tool? In the latter case, which one?
Ah yes, my mistake. Shooting some poor admin in China... now THAT's funny.
Actually though, yes, I see that you are right.
So now the countries will just block that site too. How useful.
Who says it has to work with other companies browsers?
No one, it's just another example of microsoft being pricks (most likely) or careless (not as likely, but definitely possible).
I used to have a TI computer that took cartridges. There was a parsec game for it. Does anyone know where I might find that game for the pc?
Thanks.
Is this just a polite way of asking if he got raped?
No.
Is the pen as bad as it is made out to be? Did you ever run in to trouble or not get along with the other inmates? Is there any advice that you can offer to any slashdotters that have to serve some time that you wish you had known?
Welcome back.
For example, I read that the lawyers involved in the tobacco settlement ended up with about $60000 USD per hour of work
That was calculated from the jury's award of damages, not the judge's. If I recall correctly from this case, the judge reduced the amount of damages by 1000, so the lawyers got $60/hr.
Does anyone know where to find a copy of it? I've been looking and haven't been able to.
What hogwash
No, it is 100% accurate. The reporter is simply reporting what microsoft is claiming. The claims themselves might be completely off, but the story isn't reporting on their validity, just their existence. Microsoft IS claiming this, so this part of the story is 0% hogwash.
I'm not complaining. If a month and a half started to go by, then I'd be complaining. I'm just anxious. Deno is the strongest community-oriented person that I know of from mandrake and there are many people out there whose windows->linux transitions are directly attributable to his efforts. He makes it so easy for mandrake users to get in touch with each other and solve problems that arise. Posts in the forum have led to many of mandrake's tools that make it the great distro that it is.
I also pre-ordered the Mandrake 9 DVD release about a month ago. With the hat deal right? The thing said the hat would ship right away and the dvd would get shipped later. Did you get your hat? I sure didn't. I've heard some real horror stories about mandrakestore's shipping. Anyone here used it before? How did it go? Can you track your package with the number they gave?
Agreed! The problem is not everyone knows or cares about the DMCA. Manual laborers who work 40 hours a week, sleep 49 hours a week and get pissed the other 79 hours just don't care. And nothing will make them care. I'm not sure, but if you meant "everyone who cares about the unjust law" by "everyone", even if everyone does resist this law, we still wouldn't have enough people. (See this post of mine elsewhere in the thread).
Have you seen Gandhi [imdb.com]?
No. I read up a bit on it (his movement) just now, nothing too detailed. How close to the real story is the movie?
However, by doing this and publicising it, you educate the public about the system.
Here's where our views differ. Even if we got the publicity that we think is needed, like front page of the chicago tribune, I don't think the average american will care. "Computer people" are seen by the public as arrogant. In general, they think we think we're better than them. This movement would get no sympathy from the public, sympathy which is necessary to scare lawmakers into giving in. Gandhi and MLK got that sympathy.
Your syllogism is correct. The problem is that not everyone with a clue cares about this type of stuff. I know quite a few pretty smart people that couldn't give a rats ass about this that could run high-tech infrastructure.
I agree fully with the laziness issue, I just use xine plugins and watch DVDs, I wrote a letter to Boucher once, but that's it.
I stand corrected on the civil rights fight. Yes, of course they had to fight against laws. I'm not so sure which is harder to change though. Part of the reason they got there 1964 act was because of the popularity the movement was gaining. (Some) People felt bad for the africans because of their centuries-long plight. If the politicians didn't do something, they risked getting voted out of office. No one feels bad for people like us. Most linux users (and people who care about this DRM stuff) are at least middle class, somewhat intelligent people. People make fun of geeks openly in school but continue to hold them in a bit of contempt. Politicans risk very little in not correcting their DMCA injustice.
Looking back it would appear that I'm in favor of sitting back and letting them steamroll over us. I'm not. Something needs to be done. I just haven't seen any viable option arise yet.
Correct. But would the authorities have nabbed him in the first place if Adobe hadn't persuaded them to? No. The authorities don't want to look like puppets so they aren't going to (openly) do whatever a corporation tells them. But if Adobe had never tipped them off that he was breaking the law, they wouldn't have gotten him in the first place. Think of it in the context of trespassing. Trespassing IS criminal, but the cops aren't going to nail you unless someone complains.
If you don't like my fermi techniques, gather the numbers to prove me wrong, I'll willingly accept and encourage corrections.
Well said, agreed.
No, the movie studios would much rather build up a few precedents taking on the small fish.
This is truly insightful.
What would impress me is if some major Linux distiribution would release a DVD player that was based on DeCSS code as part of their software. Now THAT would really be something.
I'm not so sure. For it to be something, these things would have to happen:
1) The studios would have to pursue the case. If they don't, then people watch DVDs in linux, no real harm done.
2) The case would have to get a decent amount of publicity. I can't see this happening, except if the distribution was redhat because they have a fair amount of repuation as a law-abiding, american corporation. But then again, I don't think redhat would put said reputation on the line. If it was any other distribution, I don't think the media would care much, most businessman have never heard of "SuSE" or "Mandrake".
3) The judge would have to decide in "our" favor. If s/he says "well, distributing DeCSS code is clearly illegal - you clearly broke the law," we're even more screwed because this is a decent-sized chunk of precedent.
Someone whose influence and recognition in the "real" world (ie, not the open source community) needs to do exactly what Bruce Perens is doing (he is educating, where DeCSS has already been labeled "illegal product" like heroin) and get a lot of media attention about it (ie "My name is Bill Clinton, there's a terrible law out there, I'm about to break it by educating you about how stupid the MPAA is... (education given) now they can arrest me for doing nothing that is morally wrong"). If the judge ruled against something like that, there WOULD be a terrible uproar.
Except that if most people started doing this and got arrested, their families would go hungry. It's perfect for someone like Bruce, who has a bit of recognition surrounding him to go out and do this. Most people don't care about computer people getting arrested for doing things that they couldn't figure out how to do. The average person thinks it "serves them computer hackers right trying to be above the law." They think the law is morally right and is to be followed without question, otherwise "why would it be the law?"
(The answer: Because the members of our lawmaking bodies are being bought left and right, with the notable exception of Rep. Boucher from Virginia)
There's no doubt more than this, this is all I could come up with of the top of my head.
Why? "Will" refers to the future. If someone runs it on the beta successfully, there is a pretty good chance it will run on the final version. Agreed?
Mandrake is planning to use a different compiler with 9.0 than Redhat 7.3 and Mandrake 8.2 (where RTCW runs like a champ). I don't know much about this binary incompatibleness that is spoken of.
It's true that the install is somewhat bloated
I see this quite a bit describing Mandrake's install. I'm honestly confused by it (no sarcasm). You can get a mandrake installation to fill up only about 95mb of a harddrive (mandrake claims 65mb but I've never seen it). When I installed redhat 7.3, I deselected every single package and got about 400mb of stuff installed. I'm not trying to make a dig at redhat, it's the only other distro I've installed recently. Is there something else that makes it bloated?
Does anyone know if Return to Castle Wolfenstein will run with Mandrake 9.0?