Its funny, I develop web sites, I'd rather use Mozilla/Netscape as my browser, but I am forced to IE because its the corporate standard. This is especially true since I need to do have sites authenticate against the NT SAM(with integrated, not Basic) which only IE is capable of doing. If they want to open up the choice of browsers then the Mozilla/Netscape/Opera's of the world need to be able to do this. All of my sites work in every browser for every feature except the authentication piece. ADD NT integrated challenge response, and the numbers might start to shift corporately...
Yep your a "--Turkey" all right got about the same size brain if you think thats a viable solution...
The EMC boxes(or anyone else for that matter) have a significant amount of configuration associated with connecting the drives. You cant just open the Box up and start sticking in drives and expect it to work. For that matter, in many cases if the drives are not the ones rated for use in the box you can destroy the backplane of the machine. The power supplies, the drives themselves, etc...Power and heat are huge issues in these boxes...think of the heat the average hard drive throws off now put 100+ in a box the size of the average home refrigerator...
Then there are configuration issues, you need the software and the technical know how to write the configuration files these machine use to tell the multiple drives to act as one or many logical drives. Then how do you connect the system(s) that will use the box up. These are all delicate issues.
If you buy a box off Ebay you will absolutely need someone working for you who knows the product inside and out(or at least on a retainer contract with 24x7 support clauses)...and you should immediately make a phone call to the proper support phone number to get the thing on a support contract...Trained EMC professionals don't come cheap, but they are worth every penny, I would assume that other companies its the same story, but I only use EMC so I don't know...
Buy EMC its really the only long term option, I have seen one of these boxes get knocked over on its side(no small task) while it was running, and just keep going with out a hitch...thats a well engineered product....
You could buy IBM if you want to loose your data all over the floor. Why do people always reduce these conversations to price...data is priceless...would you send fine china in a paper bag across country and no insurance(IBM Shark, Hitachi), or in a double wall cardboard box with bubble wrap(EMC Symmetrix/Clariion)...if that data gets lost its gone history...hasta la bye bye...its not all about cost people, don't get burned buy the right tool for the right Job...
Yep.... Thats actually a rebranded EMC Clariion product that was just released. Saw a demo great machine, but think 3 side by side racks, they stand about 5 feet tall I seem to remember.
Until we have a stable, PHP, Mod_perl, Mod_gzip(or whaterver they call it these days), and mod_layout I can't go down the apache road as my site needs all these things..... I see the writer's point, I does appear that the apache group is pretty much only patching apache 13.x at this point to solve issues, verses imporoving and or adding things so thts probablt a good start to get people start moving. However till te other things catch up(which honestly how long was 2.0.x in beta, they should have been able to work against the dev tree, and come out with compatable products, although I am not an apache developer so I don;t truely know whats involved)
With the restrictions to broaccasting on the internet that seem to be spring up by the day do you think this tech can become a work around. In otherwords most restrictions ar based on the faact that its the audio being rebroadcast. Perhaps is it were the Stations actual signal being broadcast across the net and recided by a capable piece of software, many of the restrictions would no longer apply. Since its the carrier signal taking the content to my computer rather than an audio codec. This would negate most of the complaints that have caused many internet radio stations to go offline....
1. I would program for fun whatever little thing I thought might be useful to the world.... 2. I would write books, scifi books, and since I don't need money who cares if anyone ever reads them I wrote them because I had Ideas and I wanted too. 3. Travel, Lots of places I want to see.... 4. I would not donate my time to some worthy cause, honestly I see doing such as a way of gicving time to something I believe in as an escape from the things I have to do....If I have to do nothing then donating my time would feel like work instead....so I wouldn't want to do it...call it selfish if you like but thta my opinion....
Just as an aside, we were recently informed by Dell that Post 1/1/2003 they are going to have a New (Read not "C" dock compatible) dock for all new systems.....
Its just easier and you can give your users a blanet this is always true policy. If you have internal web sites that use activeX controls, tell them to get off theier ass and become real programmers and do everything server side, instead of client side!
Seems like Apple has now joined those with the germ....I was getting close to considering apple cool for its unix factor, oh well I'll wait another 10 years for the next recovery of cool facotedr I guess.
You know, the funny part is I am actually willing to pay a reasonable amount to get the OS, and even a reasonable amount to use additional copies. But that into about discounts on the price is crap... Sell me the first license for whatever cost(although the current price is way to high, $49.99 for Professional/Home is much more reasonable) and charge a nominal fee for additonal licenses, like say $9.99....Honestly they would probably have less of a pirating problem if they would charge resonable fees....
Its becaue management of any company is a bunch of Penis Jockeys that think Bigger, and more is better....Usually till they take it in the Ass, then they realize something medium fits much better...but smaller doesn't quite give them all the best pleasure for their dollar...
I might as well be a Jedi(and I have responsed that way in survey's and the census before)...its at least as good as anything else...I might as well believe in the at binding force, its got a better chance of being real than some Super Being...at least after Death as a Jedi, I might get to come back and look in on my loved ones in a glowing presense kinda way.
I think I'll stick with the force, what has GOD done for me lately. If there really was such a thing, we wouldn't have people blowing eachother(and themselves up) in Isreal!
Honestly if you want me to use your tools: 1. Good! no Excellent documentation is a must, if I can't figure out at least the basics of how to use the product in about 5 minutes...I don't have time for it...I'll move on to the next guy or just use what I already have... a.) Lots of code examples, and documnent everything, assume nothing... 2. Stright forward use. 3. have people that have a clue ready to answer my questions if I am still lost.
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I have been using EXT3 since Linux Kernel 2.4.12, a couple revisions before it got folded in... It has severed me well since, with no hitch. My server goes down probably one or twice a month due to power outages(Yes I have a APC, but let just say its a little under powered and I am strapped for cash). The server goes down hard and ugly when this happens. It always come back with out issue however, and quickly! A normal boot after a proper shutdown is about 2 Minutes(it starts lots of services)...when in ext3 recovery it only takes about 20 seconds extra.
I have Zero, I need more...the real problem is the topics I need training, in no one that my company has a partnership for training with really offers these classes. I end up getting sent to the classes my boss thinks I need, which many times a waste of my time and the company's money.
If you want to register a.ORG....you should need to be a non profit organization. The.Org registry should be operated in the same way as a non profit entity.
Actually what I mean is it must work like outlook and on whatever the corporation decideds the platform will be...at this point more than likely 2000/XP...SO Client must be Outlook!(or very outlook like)...Honestly if there were a outlook alike that worked on 99% or OSes(here being windows, solaris, and Linux) and it had a server that was very exchange like, it would be compelling...
Well in a short answer PSS....that M$ support for the hard core Corp, if we say its broke anytime day or night these guess don't get to go to bed until they find out why its broke, have an explaination of it, and a course of action for the corection of it, if they can't do those things remotely an engineer who lives and breathes the software is no the next plain....there are actually few other corporations that will do that....thats what makes them special...
If we truely want to provide an alterative to Exchange as someone who works in an entirely exchange based environment, here is my analysis of what my PHB's would have to see.
Server Side: 1. The replacement must support Outlook as a client, people actually like Outlook as an integrated client. 2. The Replacement must work with the Sendto functions of Microsoft Office 3. The Replacement must be able to scale to 10's of thousands of users, in geographically diverse locations. 4. Must Support Multipule languages 5. Must be easily scannable for Virus protection, and must be able to deny delivery of messages that fit certain criteria 6. Easy rules based scripting of mail events stored on the server as part of the user's mail box. 7. Must support enterprise calendaring/scheduling. 8. Must inter-operate with Exchange during migration 9. Must support server and OS of choice at the company(You know what that means) 10. Must offer web mail capabilities equal too or better than OWA(this includes the ability to secure the web mail client via SecureID) 11. Must support massive data stores, on the order of 500GB-1TB(yes exchange can do this) 12. Must Integrate with our directory services, like exchange 2000 integrates with AD. 13 In short it has to do all the things that exchange can do, and more, and better. Client Side: 1. Must have a client which supports all the functions of the server side. In short its gotta work like Outlook. 2. Must Support OS, and hardware of choice. 3. Easy Rules based scripting interface to server and client side rules(Think Outlook rules wizard) 4. Must be dead simple for users to use, users don't learn they want everything to work just like it always has, even if you give them a new application to do it. When we moved from Banyan Beyond Mail to Outlook when we went from a banyan network to an NT one it was a nightmare for all of the administrative assistants as their workflow was massively changed.
So there you have it....rebuild exchange as an OSS roject and get back to us...this is not meant as Troll, this is a real world example of how a corporation is going to look at such a thing.
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Its funny, I develop web sites, I'd rather use Mozilla/Netscape as my browser, but I am forced to IE because its the corporate standard. This is especially true since I need to do have sites authenticate against the NT SAM(with integrated, not Basic) which only IE is capable of doing. If they want to open up the choice of browsers then
the Mozilla/Netscape/Opera's of the world need to be able to do this. All of my sites work in every browser for every feature except the authentication piece. ADD NT integrated challenge response, and the numbers might start to shift corporately...
Ok, then do the real research and find out why you are wrong...!
Yep your a "--Turkey" all right got about the same size brain if you think thats a viable solution...
The EMC boxes(or anyone else for that matter) have a significant amount of configuration associated with connecting the drives. You cant just open the Box up and start sticking in drives and expect it to work. For that matter, in many cases if the drives are not the ones rated for use in the box you can destroy the backplane of the machine. The power supplies, the drives themselves, etc...Power and heat are huge issues in these boxes...think of the heat the average hard drive throws off now put 100+ in a box the size of the average home refrigerator...
Then there are configuration issues, you need the software and the technical know how to write the configuration files these machine use to tell the multiple drives to act as one or many logical drives.
Then how do you connect the system(s) that will use the box up. These are all delicate issues.
If you buy a box off Ebay you will absolutely need someone working for you who knows the product inside and out(or at least on a retainer contract with 24x7 support clauses)...and you should immediately make a phone call to the proper support phone number to get the thing on a support contract...Trained EMC professionals don't come cheap, but they are worth every penny, I would assume that other companies its the same story, but I only use EMC so I don't know...
Buy EMC its really the only long term option, I have seen one of these boxes get knocked over on its side(no small task) while it was running, and just keep going with out a hitch...thats a well engineered product....
You could buy IBM if you want to loose your data all over the floor. Why do people always reduce these conversations to price...data is priceless...would you send fine china in a paper bag across country and no insurance(IBM Shark, Hitachi), or in a double wall cardboard box with bubble wrap(EMC Symmetrix/Clariion)...if that data gets lost its gone history...hasta la bye bye...its not all about cost people, don't get burned buy the right tool for the right Job...
Yep....
Thats actually a rebranded EMC Clariion product that was just released. Saw a demo great machine, but think 3 side by side racks, they stand about 5 feet tall I seem to remember.
Yes, I think that was really the first top quality mod for 2.0 I have seen...works fine on my test machine btw
Until we have a stable, PHP, Mod_perl, Mod_gzip(or whaterver they call it these days), and mod_layout I can't go down the apache road as my site needs all these things.....
I see the writer's point, I does appear that the apache group is pretty much only patching apache 13.x at this point to solve issues, verses imporoving and or adding things so thts probablt a good start to get people start moving. However till te other things catch up(which honestly how long was 2.0.x in beta, they should have been able to work against the dev tree, and come out with compatable products, although I am not an apache developer so I don;t truely know whats involved)
With the restrictions to broaccasting on the internet that seem to be spring up by the day do you think this tech can become a work around. In otherwords most restrictions ar based on the faact that its the audio being rebroadcast. Perhaps is it were the Stations actual signal being broadcast across the net and recided by a capable piece of software, many of the restrictions would no longer apply. Since its the carrier signal taking the content to my computer rather than an audio codec. This would negate most of the complaints that have caused many internet radio stations to go offline....
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1. I would program for fun whatever little thing I thought might be useful to the world....
2. I would write books, scifi books, and since I don't need money who cares if anyone ever reads them I wrote them because I had Ideas and I wanted too.
3. Travel, Lots of places I want to see....
4. I would not donate my time to some worthy cause, honestly I see doing such as a way of gicving time to something I believe in as an escape from the things I have to do....If I have to do nothing then donating my time would feel like work instead....so I wouldn't want to do it...call it selfish if you like but thta my opinion....
Just as an aside, we were recently informed by Dell that Post 1/1/2003 they are going to have a New (Read not "C" dock compatible) dock for all new systems.....
Its just easier and you can give your users a blanet this is always true policy. If you have internal web sites that use activeX controls, tell them to get off theier ass and become real programmers and do everything server side, instead of client side!
Actually I was I just was throwing an attempt a humor into the mix.
Seems like Apple has now joined those with the germ....I was getting close to considering apple cool for its unix factor, oh well I'll wait another 10 years for the next recovery of cool facotedr I guess.
Yeah thats was probably just enough time...
I'll expect first proof of concepts compies of the Hack on source forge by morning...
Thanks...to who ever it was that just hacked it....
You know, the funny part is I am actually willing to pay a reasonable amount to get the OS, and even a reasonable amount to use additional copies. But that into about discounts on the price is crap...
Sell me the first license for whatever cost(although the current price is way to high, $49.99 for Professional/Home is much more reasonable) and charge a nominal fee for additonal licenses, like say $9.99....Honestly they would probably have less of a pirating problem if they would charge resonable fees....
Its becaue management of any company is a bunch of Penis Jockeys that think Bigger, and more is better....Usually till they take it in the Ass, then they realize something medium fits much better...but smaller doesn't quite give them all the best pleasure for their dollar...
I might as well be a Jedi(and I have responsed that way in survey's and the census before)...its at least as good as anything else...I might as well believe in the at binding force, its got a better chance of being real than some Super Being...at least after Death as a Jedi, I might get to come back and look in on my loved ones in a glowing presense kinda way.
I think I'll stick with the force, what has GOD done for me lately. If there really was such a thing, we wouldn't have people blowing eachother(and themselves up) in Isreal!
Honestly if you want me to use your tools:
1. Good! no Excellent documentation is a must, if I can't figure out at least the basics of how to use the product in about 5 minutes...I don't have time for it...I'll move on to the next guy or just use what I already have...
a.) Lots of code examples, and documnent everything, assume nothing...
2. Stright forward use.
3. have people that have a clue ready to answer my questions if I am still lost.
I have been using EXT3 since Linux Kernel 2.4.12, a couple revisions before it got folded in...
It has severed me well since, with no hitch. My server goes down probably one or twice a month due to power outages(Yes I have a APC, but let just say its a little under powered and I am strapped for cash). The server goes down hard and ugly when this happens. It always come back with out issue however, and quickly! A normal boot after a proper shutdown is about 2 Minutes(it starts lots of services)...when in ext3 recovery it only takes about 20 seconds extra.
I have Zero, I need more...the real problem is the topics I need training, in no one that my company has a partnership for training with really offers these classes. I end up getting sent to the classes my boss thinks I need, which many times a waste of my time and the company's money.
If you want to register a .ORG....you should need to be a non profit organization. The .Org registry should be operated in the same way as a non profit entity.
Actually what I mean is it must work like outlook and on whatever the corporation decideds the platform will be...at this point more than likely 2000/XP...SO Client must be Outlook!(or very outlook like)...Honestly if there were a outlook alike that worked on 99% or OSes(here being windows, solaris, and Linux) and it had a server that was very exchange like, it would be compelling...
Well in a short answer PSS....that M$ support for the hard core Corp, if we say its broke anytime day or night these guess don't get to go to bed until they find out why its broke, have an explaination of it, and a course of action for the corection of it, if they can't do those things remotely an engineer who lives and breathes the software is no the next plain....there are actually few other corporations that will do that....thats what makes them special...
If we truely want to provide an alterative to Exchange as someone who works in an entirely exchange based environment, here is my analysis of what my PHB's would have to see.
Server Side:
1. The replacement must support Outlook as a client, people actually like Outlook as an integrated client.
2. The Replacement must work with the Sendto functions of Microsoft Office
3. The Replacement must be able to scale to 10's of thousands of users, in geographically diverse locations.
4. Must Support Multipule languages
5. Must be easily scannable for Virus protection, and must be able to deny delivery of messages that fit certain criteria
6. Easy rules based scripting of mail events stored on the server as part of the user's mail box.
7. Must support enterprise calendaring/scheduling.
8. Must inter-operate with Exchange during migration
9. Must support server and OS of choice at the company(You know what that means)
10. Must offer web mail capabilities equal too or better than OWA(this includes the ability to secure the web mail client via SecureID)
11. Must support massive data stores, on the order of 500GB-1TB(yes exchange can do this)
12. Must Integrate with our directory services, like exchange 2000 integrates with AD.
13 In short it has to do all the things that exchange can do, and more, and better.
Client Side:
1. Must have a client which supports all the functions of the server side. In short its gotta work like Outlook.
2. Must Support OS, and hardware of choice.
3. Easy Rules based scripting interface to server and client side rules(Think Outlook rules wizard)
4. Must be dead simple for users to use, users don't learn they want everything to work just like it always has, even if you give them a new application to do it. When we moved from Banyan Beyond Mail to Outlook when we went from a banyan network to an NT one it was a nightmare for all of the administrative assistants as their workflow was massively changed.
So there you have it....rebuild exchange as an OSS roject and get back to us...this is not meant as Troll, this is a real world example of how a corporation is going to look at such a thing.