...TV ads...I submit that they are grossly ineffective...
I'll submit that for some adults, TV ads are not as effective as the advertisers would like. But in general, they do work. Studies (yeah, mod me down for not providing a link...I don't care) have shown that even when you know it's an ad, and suspect it to be mostly or completely false,the message still gets through.
TV ads don't work? Tell that to my five year old daughter, who wants everything she ever sees in a TV commercial, despite my constant rambling about how ads are lies and damn lies, and some even include statistics.
That's hilarious. A couple of my friends and I did this once through an entire movie. It was like Godzilla Vs. Mothra or something. It was a blast, sort of like an MST3K, only with entirely our own dialogue.
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Sites like this exist. They are not illegal. What's your point?
There are sites that list DRs and have notes by the ones that have been "taken out" and even encourage people to do the right thing...in that veiled sort of way that is easily interpreted to mean they are publishing this information in the hopes that someone will target and kill these DRs.
They are still legal.
Why? Because they are free to say they think those DRs should be killed. As sick as it may be to say that, they have the right to say it. If one of those DRs is killed, the killer is prosecuted, not the site listing their address.
There's only one thing about it that annoys the hell out of me.
Every time I sit down at someone else's desk and try to [right-click->move mouse left] to go back a page, IE pops up that annoying context menu...fscking Microsoft.
When installing SQL Server, you don't deliberately put in a blank password. It's not like there's a password there that you have to erase. All you have to do is press ENTER. How hard is that?
I am for shared culpability. Admins should not be morons. If you were stupid enough to install SQL Server (the full product, not MSDE) without setting up a proper password for SA, then you deserve goatse^H^H^H^H^H^Hto be reamed...
Then again, Microsoft should not expect a several-thousand-dollar product that is NOT sold to the general public in Walmart, BestBuy, or Electronics Boutique to be installed by a moron.
It should require a password and not offer a default. I mean, puleeez...that is a trivial fscking thing to do.
And someone at Microsoft should be shot for allowing MSDE to keep the functionality that lets a worm like this propagate through it. If MSDE is supposed to be a dumbed down version, some asshole should have properly dumbed it down.
Instead of finding a way for him to accept more people, concepts and things he tries to come up with a way to force more people, concepts, and things [to] accept him
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw
RMS is an unreasonable man. And he is working diligently for progress, whether you believe in his politics or not.
But then, Shaw was a socialist, so...uhhh, no...I won't go there.
They don't meet our quality expectations. A DVD is vastly superior. So is a 35mm print in a theatre. That's why Spiderman and Clones made over a hundred million dollars each in their first weekends, in spite of the fact that vastly inferior bootlegs were available "for free" on the internet.
People do not pay for movies and skip bootlegs because of some quality expectation. It is mostly due to:
They don't know about it. I can't tell you how surprised so many people I know are when I wave that little CD at them and say, "Hey, guess what this is?" Most folks aren't geeks who d/l movies off the Internet not because of quality, but because they're not geeks.
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. People who do know about it often wonder...can't they track that? Won't I get in trouble? People don't like getting into trouble. And not many of them know how to d/l a movie that's in SVCD format, burn it, and watch it on their TV, so they're uncertain as to whether it's even worth it.
Most people actually think d/l-ing bootlegs is wrong!... I know, it's a shocker.
No, I don't suppose I am. What difference should it make, though? I am just curious to know if Lindows really is based on Linux or BSD, but not interested enough to pay them $99 for the privilege of finding out.
I am aware of the differences in SysV and BSD style *nixes. And Linux is very SysV-ish, if you know what I mean.
Are you suggesting they have taken the linux kernel and put a BSD-style userspace, filespace, etc. to it?
If so, what would be the point? I mean, why NOT just use FreeBSD? Starting with FreeBSD, hiring programmers to improve linux binary compatibility, and throwing in Wine would not require you release your changes to FreeBSD back to the community right? I mean, I thought that was the point of the BSD license?
This is why I'd like someone who HAS a preview to run strings on the binaries. I'd like to know if they actually came from linux or [Free|Open|Net]BSD?
Actually, if you dig a little deeper, here's a question posted on the support.lindows.com member forum...
Q: Does LindowsOS use Windows drivers? A: LindowsOS is based on BSD linux [emphasis mine] and uses linux drivers for hardware and compatibility.
Now of course, my first thought is, "What in the hell is BSD linux?" My second thought is, perhaps much of the kernel in LindowsOS is BSD, with a smattering of Linux compatibility improvements and some Wine poured in for Windows compatibility.
If much of what they do is based on BSD, how much do they really have to give back to the community anyway?
So now the question I want answered is this: When is someone who's signed up for the $99 fsck-you program to get the sneak preview gonna post it online? Or for that matter, if any of you have it, will you run strings on the binaries and post the results of that?
Linux is free right? Nope, you're doing pro-bono QA and system compatability testing.
And just what are Windows users doing? Paid QA? Either way, you're doing QA because commercial software houses are regularly releasing beta software to production. I've had less trouble with 0.x versions of Linux software than 3.x and up versions of commercial equivalents.
Then again, maybe Mail/System Admins could install some AV software with daily updates and the Outlook Security Patch along with a backend server (Exchange or OpenMail [now Samsung Contact]) that can implement server-side policies to prevent users from overriding and running executables anyway.
With this done, viruses and worms have little effect.
And the constant reminders to your user-base of proper e-mailing habits does eventually sink in.
Outlook is insecure...yada yada yada...people should take responsibility for their systems and stop blaming Microsoft for everything...after all, they're only responsible for maybe half of the world's problems.
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I'll submit that for some adults, TV ads are not as effective as the advertisers would like. But in general, they do work. Studies (yeah, mod me down for not providing a link...I don't care) have shown that even when you know it's an ad, and suspect it to be mostly or completely false,the message still gets through.
TV ads don't work? Tell that to my five year old daughter, who wants everything she ever sees in a TV commercial, despite my constant rambling about how ads are lies and damn lies, and some even include statistics.
I use three simple letters to avoid commercials: H B O
But then I pay $10/month for that luxury.
Well, that luxury and Six Feet Under.
That's hilarious. A couple of my friends and I did this once through an entire movie. It was like Godzilla Vs. Mothra or something. It was a blast, sort of like an MST3K, only with entirely our own dialogue.
Argh...found this link seconds after I hit "Submit"
Sites like this exist. They are not illegal. What's your point?
There are sites that list DRs and have notes by the ones that have been "taken out" and even encourage people to do the right thing...in that veiled sort of way that is easily interpreted to mean they are publishing this information in the hopes that someone will target and kill these DRs.
They are still legal.
Why? Because they are free to say they think those DRs should be killed. As sick as it may be to say that, they have the right to say it. If one of those DRs is killed, the killer is prosecuted, not the site listing their address.
No, we'd just sit on our asses typing about it online.
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IE sucks
Netscape is barely better
Mozilla is cool
Opera rocks
But who's actually buying it? If it's that good, buy it. It's cheap. And, btw, I bought it. It is that good.
Dude...I love Opera's mouse gesture control...
There's only one thing about it that annoys the hell out of me.
Every time I sit down at someone else's desk and try to [right-click->move mouse left] to go back a page, IE pops up that annoying context menu...fscking Microsoft.
When installing SQL Server, you don't deliberately put in a blank password. It's not like there's a password there that you have to erase. All you have to do is press ENTER. How hard is that?
I am for shared culpability. Admins should not be morons. If you were stupid enough to install SQL Server (the full product, not MSDE) without setting up a proper password for SA, then you deserve goatse^H^H^H^H^H^Hto be reamed...
Then again, Microsoft should not expect a several-thousand-dollar product that is NOT sold to the general public in Walmart, BestBuy, or Electronics Boutique to be installed by a moron.
It should require a password and not offer a default. I mean, puleeez...that is a trivial fscking thing to do.
And someone at Microsoft should be shot for allowing MSDE to keep the functionality that lets a worm like this propagate through it. If MSDE is supposed to be a dumbed down version, some asshole should have properly dumbed it down.
And another thing...
I do not know, but does XFree86 use glibc at all? What about Mozilla?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw
RMS is an unreasonable man. And he is working diligently for progress, whether you believe in his politics or not.
But then, Shaw was a socialist, so...uhhh, no...I won't go there.
I guess you should have submitted the story to /. after you read it earlier...
People do not pay for movies and skip bootlegs because of some quality expectation. It is mostly due to:
I guess it's time to head on over to Pud's to see if he's got the X-Box listed...
This got me wondering, what about screens in theatres that seat more/fewer people?
It would be so much better to quote number of tickets sold instead of $$ made.
But I guess you're right, that's precisely the type of data "they" don't want us to have.
Or perhaps he meant Gandalf?
Wouldn't it be more like you only pay half price, but you have to license it for every TV in your house, whether you hook the X-Box up to it or not?
But if you can run it on a Mac, how can it be a part of the Operating System?
No, I don't suppose I am. What difference should it make, though? I am just curious to know if Lindows really is based on Linux or BSD, but not interested enough to pay them $99 for the privilege of finding out.
I am aware of the differences in SysV and BSD style *nixes. And Linux is very SysV-ish, if you know what I mean.
Are you suggesting they have taken the linux kernel and put a BSD-style userspace, filespace, etc. to it?
If so, what would be the point? I mean, why NOT just use FreeBSD? Starting with FreeBSD, hiring programmers to improve linux binary compatibility, and throwing in Wine would not require you release your changes to FreeBSD back to the community right? I mean, I thought that was the point of the BSD license?
This is why I'd like someone who HAS a preview to run strings on the binaries. I'd like to know if they actually came from linux or [Free|Open|Net]BSD?
Actually, if you dig a little deeper, here's a question posted on the support.lindows.com member forum...
Q: Does LindowsOS use Windows drivers?
A: LindowsOS is based on BSD linux [emphasis mine] and uses linux drivers for hardware and compatibility.
Now of course, my first thought is, "What in the hell is BSD linux?" My second thought is, perhaps much of the kernel in LindowsOS is BSD, with a smattering of Linux compatibility improvements and some Wine poured in for Windows compatibility.
If much of what they do is based on BSD, how much do they really have to give back to the community anyway?
So now the question I want answered is this: When is someone who's signed up for the $99 fsck-you program to get the sneak preview gonna post it online? Or for that matter, if any of you have it, will you run strings on the binaries and post the results of that?
Or would that be a violation of the NDA?
I think Microsoft IS trying to shut down the Lindows OS (or perhaps I should say they are trying to KEEP it vaporware).
Jobs mimicked Xerox. Gates mimicked Jobs. Robertson mimicked Gates. Only Gates knows how well mimicking works as a business model.
I think Microsoft wants Lindows to never be done...or at least they never want Windows to be done until Lindows won't run(tm).
The silly trademark thing was the only thing they could attack until there's an actual product.
You can bet [if|once] a final, shipping product comes out of lindows.com Microsoft will sue for reasons other than just the Windows trademark.
yes...so please do.
And just what are Windows users doing? Paid QA? Either way, you're doing QA because commercial software houses are regularly releasing beta software to production. I've had less trouble with 0.x versions of Linux software than 3.x and up versions of commercial equivalents.
With Windows, you're paying to be a tester.
Then again, maybe Mail/System Admins could install some AV software with daily updates and the Outlook Security Patch along with a backend server (Exchange or OpenMail [now Samsung Contact]) that can implement server-side policies to prevent users from overriding and running executables anyway.
With this done, viruses and worms have little effect.
And the constant reminders to your user-base of proper e-mailing habits does eventually sink in.
Outlook is insecure...yada yada yada...people should take responsibility for their systems and stop blaming Microsoft for everything...after all, they're only responsible for maybe half of the world's problems.