I agree. It's terrifying (well, more disappointing) that completely unsubstantiated claims from someone who was chatting anonymously on IRC are being taken seriously by anyone,
Well you're probably right. And seeing as how Eirc Raymond, made this post yesterday you have a right to be annoyed, if not angry. If what he made in terms of a statement is true then there is a problem, but the problem isn't men.
A properly running diesel doesn't produce smoke unless it's under very heavy load or it's very cold. Which leads to incomplete burning, used to be you could tell the problem with a diesel by the smell and looking at the exhaust. Many of the incomplete burning problems especially in trucks were replaced by more gear ratios to allow better efficiency under load. In diesel cars it was pre-heating the air, because they lack the super charger setup that diesel trucks and trains use. Blue-black smoke was another common one, that was usually because the fuel governor was either tampered with, failing or improper misting of the diesel due to a clogged injection port inside the piston chamber or at the very end of the intake manifold. Used to be common as well, to adjust the governor to get more power, by dumping in more diesel at low power ratios, meaning a incomplete burn. That was also doable on cars, where it got screwy is where they changed the SOX emissions standard and how the diesel was refined, and suddenly there were a lot of trucks and cars dumping black smoke, especially on acceleration and load. Just like back in the 1980's.
I forgot in my previous post, that this isn't a left-vs-right thing. This is the pro-authoritarian left mainly right now, with some on the right with shared beliefs(aka horseshoe theory in action), and pro-social libertarian left and right fighting against this garbage. This is how far banning people for wrongthink has gotten.
You're talking right out of your ass here, or at best, projecting. Seek help, in case its the latter. Even such a bigot as you has the right to know his own mind.
He's not really wrong, though he should have said extreme left. That of course is the left part of the spectrum, where anything that isn't a part of your ideology is far-right. You can look at the amount of garbage coming out of universities attacking common people from wrong think, going directly after freedom of speech and expression, attacking people for wearing costumes they find offensive, whining about how people are invading their safe spaces while engaging in so much self-hate and white guilt that they're drowning in their own stupidity.
It's not limited to just the US, it's also in Canada and in Europe. Many of the things the extreme left are engaging in, aren't any different then what the ye olde aristocracy engaged in. That's not disproving the occasional horse shoe theory in action.
Right, so Randi did it (if you can find those tweets). What about the rest? Just because one person is an arsehole doesn't mean everybody vaguely related to them is
Thick skin? Is that why they let some unknown feminist freaks send them into a year-long tizzy? It sounds like you're saying that PTSD is what's making them call in the threats on their own panel.
We can add that to the list of reasons.
Nah, some unknown feminist freaks aren't sending them into a year-long tizzy. The BS the media is printing and the obvious collusion, coi and shilling for their buddies is what's sending gamers into a tizzy, one that's been 20 odd years in the making.
But if you want to add that to the list of reasons, I'm sure that works out well with you and makes you sleep well at night.
You are a bit confused about #notyourshield. If you review the GamerGate IRC logs, you can see that it was created by GamerGate and popularised through sock puppet accounts, using profile photos stolen from social media. The goal was to confuse people and make them think that there was a grass roots movement, and to smear opponents of GamerGate.
It's not really clear who you are calling SJWs here. GamerGate supporters? Can't be feminists since they clearly wouldn't deny that female gamers exist. The fact that they do exist is the whole point if Feminist Frequency's videos.
Come on, where's these IRC logs you're claiming that exist. SJW's and anti-GG have been claiming this for over a year now and this the second post where you claim that GG has this mysterious IRC channel where we plot this stuff out. You're doing a bang up job of showing everyone why when a minority speaks out, and it's not "on the right side" you claim they don't exist. That, is straight up bigotry.
It's not really clear who you are calling SJWs here. GamerGate supporters? Can't be feminists since they clearly wouldn't deny that female gamers exist. The fact that they do exist is the whole point if Feminist Frequency's videos.
You're not making any sense, let's try again. SJW's have been yelling "but our diversity" when diversity already exists. That diversity is called a meritocracy. But, feminists and SJW's have claimed that female gamers don't exist, they've also tried claiming minority female gamers don't exist, and that minorities in general who refuse to side with them don't exist.
I can see that you're hurting friend. Thoughts and prayers.
But there is still no reason that the SJWs would call in threats on their own panel. There's no possible upside and they're all about what's best for them.
It's either GG itself or some other channer garbage that called in the threats.
Couldn't care really. Welcome to a group of people where no fucks are given, because their skin is already thick. Which is of course the opposite of the "safe spaces" crowd right?
Really? I'm guessing that's why the SJW crowd is all aflutter about the possibility of pro-GG individuals now being on the panel, and moaning about how "SXSW can't take care of their safety." You know what's funny? The anti-GG side has said we'll accept a dialog for the last year. You know what their actual response has been when people say okay, let's have a dialog? They claim harassment, block pro-GG people, yell that they're being harassed, and then when someone offers up large sums of money they're silent.
In the case of SPJ Airplay, the anti-GG side refused unless they were paid, the pro-side said "they were doing it for free." They then said, they wouldn't go unless SPJ paid they fares. Several pro-GG people offered to pay their fares, but then they said no. Then they claimed that they hadn't recived any offers at all. Michael Koretzky came out publicly saying that, the offers had been given and they either refused or ignored it.
If you look at some of the main GanerGate supporters YouTube channels, you can see the spike in views when they do videos on the alleged attacks on GamerGate. Same with Patreon subscribers. They clearly do profit when GamerGate related drama happens.
Gamergate people watch things that may interest them, and have gamergate related stuff in them. WHO KNEW? Wait what gamergate supporters have patreons? It's not sargon of akkad, he's between neutral leaning and pro-leaning but that's it. It's sure not ralph who considers himself a muckracker and many people don't like him. Sure not thunderf00t, though he'll comment on or off. It's not mundanematt, he's pro-leaning. Not hotwheels, because SJW's got him kicked off patreon for no reason even though he falls within their rules.
As for GamerGate not using IRC, of course they don't now. They learned their lesson about using non anonymous real time chat.
You said you had proof, but like many aggros you've shown that your PoV only comes down to one thing. Bullshit, or in your terminology "Listen and Believe."
I think I can answer that: because whenever GamerGate has participated in a public forum, it has only been embarrassed and seen public support drop. For example, the recent event with that Koretzky dude from the Society of Professional Journalists turned into a monkey-show of GG e-celebs and floor-crappers. Public exposure is not GamerGate's friend. Remember Aurini's big documentary? ou think GG is gonna be helped by having Oliver Campbell explain how he's in deep cover for the FBI investigating the feminists? Or Ralph Retort talking about the ethics of doxxing bitches while cleaning out his ear with a toothpick? I repeat: public exposure is not GamerGate's friend. If the past year has taught us anything, it's that fact. Every event, every happening has just caused GamerGate's support to erode.
Really? You mean the same thing from the SPJ which has a gaming-only related journalism reward that only goes to sits that show they have no conflict of interest? Or people like Lynn Walsh who are on the savepoint panel because of it? Strange I don't seem to remember Cambell ever saying that, link? But if you're right and all that has cause GG's support to erode, then why do subs continue to increase, and why do subs and sites continue to consistently draw more people?
On the other hand, if you ask the question, "Why would the blue-haired SJWs want their own panel shutdown?" now you have something of a quandary. Every time they get their mugs in public, they have multinational companies throwing money at them (Intel) or they get invited to be on Colbert or to speak at the United Nations or they have their new non-profit anti-harassment organization funded. Their Patreons get more donors and they get to be social darlings. Public exposure is the SJW's friend. They suck that shit up, and having a panel at SXSW cancelled would be a disaster for them.
In summary, one party has nothing to gain and the other has nothing to lose.
Really GG has nothing to lose anyway. Gamers themselves have been bullied, called mass murders, the cause of all of societies ills since the 1990's. You're basically looking at one of the most bullied sections of society who've already been beaten down, and saying "no fucks are given." But if they had nothing to gain, or provided nothing then all those gaming sites wouldn't have changed their disclosure and ethics policies, the FTC wouldn't have changed their native advertising rules, and the media wouldn't be so obsessed with us as the "new 4chan" that hacks, rapes, destroys, doxes, and takes candies from babies. You literally can't go a week without some new article claiming that GG is evil, or GG did this or that because they're GG. It's almost turned into a dank meme all because of their hard work.
GanerGate argues that "professional victims" harass themselves with fake threats to gain attention. Using that logic we can conclude that GamerGate is probably behind all threats made against GamerGate, since it profits from the drama.
Well considering every time their patreon start dropping those professional victims re-inject themselves into it and start claiming this like "gamergate did a driveby shooting" and so on. Gamergate doesn't profit on drama, drama hurts it more than anything. There's an easy way to disprove what you're saying though, if gamergate did profit from the drama then all those articles calling use harassers, doxers, worse than isis, there'd be hundreds of thousands of subs on Kotakuinaction, and posts would be hitting the autosage limit on chans. But that's not happening is it?
More seriously, in my experience when people start accusing others of dishonest behaviour based on some dubious circumstantial evidence, it's because that's how they think and how they themselves act. The fact that we have IRC logs of GanerGate channels where people discuss doing this pretty much confirms it.
I'm sure you've got plenty of proof on that. Since the only channels gamergate actually uses is:/r/kotakuinaction and GGHQ and GGR on 8chan.
That's great. I'm a grey beard and I'm "in this mess." And going by your post, I've been here longer than you, especially since I remember writing out games that came in magazines to play them. I'm disabled, my back is broken in two places, and I do game as well. You know what happened when this all started up though? There was this tag called #notyourshield, where those SJW's started saying that a disabled minority like myself didn't exist. They told women that game they don't exist, they told other minorities they didn't exists. And to round it all up, when people proved that they did exist and didn't agree with them. They started calling people house niggers, uncle toms, and so on. Oh SJW's full of love and kindness right?
If you've been gaming as long as you have, then you'll remember the ye olde days when gaming magazines would shill out for corps, and people who were friends without disclosing it. You'll also remember when the internet started catching on, how everyone and their brother started launching their own site and become their own game reviewer. You'd have been in that bluesnews/voodoo3d/etc clique that existed at the time. You'll remember that those gaming magazines started dying, and were replaced by online sites.
And you jump a head, you'll remember the Dorito Pope among other instances of corruption, conflicts of interest, and collusion. You'll also remember saying fuck this, and a few years after that you'd start seeing the rise of Let's Plays and 'tube related reviews of games and being happy with them. And jumping to the present, unless you buried your head in the sand you'll have remember the number of authors on the big name sites getting caught shilling for their buddies indie games, authors shilling for xyz companies games and so on.
SJW's pushing 'diversity' or what they claim as diversity is only a small part. It's claiming to be the only voice that can speak for you, or me. If you don't want to be in this mess, that's fine. The game journo's and the vast majority of those who were in Game Journo Pro's created it. You're now seeing the fall out. Oh and a fun bit, look up people like Arthur Chu, Geordie Tait, or Randi Haper or Zoe Quinn. Who've either wanted to commit or openly support violence, or doxing people who don't follow their lines of belief.
That's easy, because SJWism is slacktivism. And slacktivism is easy to do, and in turn it gives you e-cred and makes you feel better. It means you can whine, and cry about some great horror in your life...like manspreading, or how air conditioners are a sexist conspiracy of the patriarchy and feel good about yourself. Instead of having to go out into the world, and help the homeless or travel to an actual war torn hole in the ground and help setup medical and triage camps, to try to help people who are actual victims of war and get them back on their feet.
People have. Twitter has ignored it, you can still find to this day the personal dox of the CEO of Northstar Debt collection that was calling Randi Harper, for debt reclaiming. And said CEO and families personal information in her feed.
Perhaps if they had put their money where their mouths are and promoted use of their real names when talking about RL issues.
Well you'll have to excuse us greybeard for understanding why being anonymous or semi-anonymous is important, even back in ye olde days of usenet. Do you need an explanation?
Come now, that's a disingenuous statement...because "Thunderfoot" was a Youtube personality!
And that's a important reason why? How about MundaneMatt?
It's easy for someone to claim something is a meritocracy, when it actually isn't in practice.
Really? I guess that's why Github threw out their meitocracy rug when they changed CEO's, and got on the feels not reals belief that ability doesn't matter. Then again, I guess that's the reason why OpenSSL just publish a CoC that basically says "merit is all that matters." But I'm sure you've got plenty of proof that various things in say OSS aren't merit based, and stupid people doing stupid things aren't called out on it. This is/. after all, we know that isn't true.
I want to point out something interesting. Those men are referred to by their by their adolescent-y pseudonyms, but the women are referred to by their real names.
Well I could post leothepirate or thunderf00t's real names, but those pseudonyms? Those are the names they are known by, much like how Quinn, Haprer, Sarkeesian and Wu are the names they're known by. It's pretty simple isn't it. If I said Phil and Leo would you know their real names and how they played into this? The answer would be no.
Besides, when everyone is anonymous and using a pseudonym you don't know who that other person is. You're not clouding your views based on who they might be, their race, sex, or anything else. You're basing the merit of their statements and ideas. And I know that many on the far left, especially in the social justice circles and modern feminism have a real problem with merit and meritocracies which they call sexist, sometimes racist, and I've even seen merit called homophobic.
There's nothing there that says gamergate was involved at all. Here's a question, why would gamergate want it's own panel shutdown? It's not any different than the tinfoilers who claimed that gamergate tried to shut down their own gathering at Local16(which is an on-going investigation still), or claiming that they shutdown the SPJ Airplay event with multiple bomb threats(also an on-going investigation), where the SPJ actually gave them a voice, instead of what the media was claiming it was.
In my book it falls into one of two camps, either exceptionally devout SJW's did it because they believed they're doing the right thing(there is an extremely long list of SJW's who have faked things to get attention or try to stop something--from fake racism to claiming non-existent rape while claiming it was "to create a dialog) or for the lulz, or trolls doing it for the lulz. You know, people like Joshua Goldberg who was a prolific writer for a pile of left-wing sites like The Guardian, Daily Kos, Feministing, and had dozens of articles published by them. But, he uses the gamergate hashtag(which anyone can use) 35 times, when there are 3.5m+ tweets in it, but that automatically makes him a member of gamergate says the SJW crowd.
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Right we only vote for one candidate, but we do have ballot measures. They're common in municipal politics, sometimes provincial politics too.
I agree. It's terrifying (well, more disappointing) that completely unsubstantiated claims from someone who was chatting anonymously on IRC are being taken seriously by anyone,
Well if it's fake, it's a long con. Especially after you start seeing all this stuff right?
Well you're probably right. And seeing as how Eirc Raymond, made this post yesterday you have a right to be annoyed, if not angry. If what he made in terms of a statement is true then there is a problem, but the problem isn't men.
A properly running diesel doesn't produce smoke unless it's under very heavy load or it's very cold. Which leads to incomplete burning, used to be you could tell the problem with a diesel by the smell and looking at the exhaust. Many of the incomplete burning problems especially in trucks were replaced by more gear ratios to allow better efficiency under load. In diesel cars it was pre-heating the air, because they lack the super charger setup that diesel trucks and trains use. Blue-black smoke was another common one, that was usually because the fuel governor was either tampered with, failing or improper misting of the diesel due to a clogged injection port inside the piston chamber or at the very end of the intake manifold. Used to be common as well, to adjust the governor to get more power, by dumping in more diesel at low power ratios, meaning a incomplete burn. That was also doable on cars, where it got screwy is where they changed the SOX emissions standard and how the diesel was refined, and suddenly there were a lot of trucks and cars dumping black smoke, especially on acceleration and load. Just like back in the 1980's.
Well what the fuck do clinical psychologists know, anyway?
Going by the bullshit that's pumped out by them these days? Nothing, as long as they can find something to ride the next moral panic.
Can you gurgle cock and fuck your mother at the same time? Is there a rule 34 for this?
Oh there's probably rule 34 for it, it'd likely fall into the lines of incest related threesomes. This is the internet after all.
I forgot in my previous post, that this isn't a left-vs-right thing. This is the pro-authoritarian left mainly right now, with some on the right with shared beliefs(aka horseshoe theory in action), and pro-social libertarian left and right fighting against this garbage. This is how far banning people for wrongthink has gotten.
Paranoid bullshit.
Idiot that hasn't been paying attention.
Banning of expression and speech banning wrongthink
Banning of speech on university campuses and another banning costumes and another safe spaces, and no dissent safe spaces and pro-racial segregation. Did I miss anything, or do you need a few dozen more examples? This isn't isolated, you can find more examples of every single one.
You're talking right out of your ass here, or at best, projecting. Seek help, in case its the latter. Even such a bigot as you has the right to know his own mind.
He's not really wrong, though he should have said extreme left. That of course is the left part of the spectrum, where anything that isn't a part of your ideology is far-right. You can look at the amount of garbage coming out of universities attacking common people from wrong think, going directly after freedom of speech and expression, attacking people for wearing costumes they find offensive, whining about how people are invading their safe spaces while engaging in so much self-hate and white guilt that they're drowning in their own stupidity.
It's not limited to just the US, it's also in Canada and in Europe. Many of the things the extreme left are engaging in, aren't any different then what the ye olde aristocracy engaged in. That's not disproving the occasional horse shoe theory in action.
Can no one disagree in a civil manner and speak to each other like grown men?
That was a civil manner between men, you cock gurgling mother fucker.
Right, so Randi did it (if you can find those tweets). What about the rest? Just because one person is an arsehole doesn't mean everybody vaguely related to them is
Sure can find them here. and another instance here. Or her harassing Anne Rice, and leaving fake book reviews. Pretty good for a anti-harassment person, she does tell people to kill themselves and light themselves on fire often too. Of course there seems to be a pro-"no bad tactics, only targets" mentality among the majority of anti-GG people including making shit up. That's from Bob Chipman by the way, there's also people like Sam Biddle who's harassed and threatened to call a kids employer to get them fired, and said the phrase "bring back bullying." You can't forget the general crazy either.
And of course you can find a list of various people who've either doxed or harassed pro-GG people here. And you can see how someone falls into the cult mentality of wanting to be a "good feminist" here Just a list of anti-GG harassment and of course this beauty where Adem Sessler and Jim Sterling come out pro-doxing Well maybe it's nothing, or maybe there's a lot of people out there with serious mental problems who believe that lashing out is the only way to cope with their own problems.
Maybe way out of band of what you asked but I'm tired, so fuck it.
Thick skin? Is that why they let some unknown feminist freaks send them into a year-long tizzy? It sounds like you're saying that PTSD is what's making them call in the threats on their own panel.
We can add that to the list of reasons.
Nah, some unknown feminist freaks aren't sending them into a year-long tizzy. The BS the media is printing and the obvious collusion, coi and shilling for their buddies is what's sending gamers into a tizzy, one that's been 20 odd years in the making.
But if you want to add that to the list of reasons, I'm sure that works out well with you and makes you sleep well at night.
You are a bit confused about #notyourshield. If you review the GamerGate IRC logs, you can see that it was created by GamerGate and popularised through sock puppet accounts, using profile photos stolen from social media. The goal was to confuse people and make them think that there was a grass roots movement, and to smear opponents of GamerGate.
It's not really clear who you are calling SJWs here. GamerGate supporters? Can't be feminists since they clearly wouldn't deny that female gamers exist. The fact that they do exist is the whole point if Feminist Frequency's videos.
Come on, where's these IRC logs you're claiming that exist. SJW's and anti-GG have been claiming this for over a year now and this the second post where you claim that GG has this mysterious IRC channel where we plot this stuff out. You're doing a bang up job of showing everyone why when a minority speaks out, and it's not "on the right side" you claim they don't exist. That, is straight up bigotry.
It's not really clear who you are calling SJWs here. GamerGate supporters? Can't be feminists since they clearly wouldn't deny that female gamers exist. The fact that they do exist is the whole point if Feminist Frequency's videos.
You're not making any sense, let's try again. SJW's have been yelling "but our diversity" when diversity already exists. That diversity is called a meritocracy. But, feminists and SJW's have claimed that female gamers don't exist, they've also tried claiming minority female gamers don't exist, and that minorities in general who refuse to side with them don't exist.
Remember "listen and believe?" Yeah, that's from FF too, which sure explains a lot.
Zoe Quinn is not her real name. It's a pseudonym.
Actually it is her legal name, you can search the MA public records database since she had it changed. She also uses her family name, at times.
I can see that you're hurting friend. Thoughts and prayers.
But there is still no reason that the SJWs would call in threats on their own panel. There's no possible upside and they're all about what's best for them.
It's either GG itself or some other channer garbage that called in the threats.
Couldn't care really. Welcome to a group of people where no fucks are given, because their skin is already thick. Which is of course the opposite of the "safe spaces" crowd right?
Really? I'm guessing that's why the SJW crowd is all aflutter about the possibility of pro-GG individuals now being on the panel, and moaning about how "SXSW can't take care of their safety." You know what's funny? The anti-GG side has said we'll accept a dialog for the last year. You know what their actual response has been when people say okay, let's have a dialog? They claim harassment, block pro-GG people, yell that they're being harassed, and then when someone offers up large sums of money they're silent.
In the case of SPJ Airplay, the anti-GG side refused unless they were paid, the pro-side said "they were doing it for free." They then said, they wouldn't go unless SPJ paid they fares. Several pro-GG people offered to pay their fares, but then they said no. Then they claimed that they hadn't recived any offers at all. Michael Koretzky came out publicly saying that, the offers had been given and they either refused or ignored it.
If you look at some of the main GanerGate supporters YouTube channels, you can see the spike in views when they do videos on the alleged attacks on GamerGate. Same with Patreon subscribers. They clearly do profit when GamerGate related drama happens.
Gamergate people watch things that may interest them, and have gamergate related stuff in them. WHO KNEW? Wait what gamergate supporters have patreons? It's not sargon of akkad, he's between neutral leaning and pro-leaning but that's it. It's sure not ralph who considers himself a muckracker and many people don't like him. Sure not thunderf00t, though he'll comment on or off. It's not mundanematt, he's pro-leaning. Not hotwheels, because SJW's got him kicked off patreon for no reason even though he falls within their rules.
As for GamerGate not using IRC, of course they don't now. They learned their lesson about using non anonymous real time chat.
You said you had proof, but like many aggros you've shown that your PoV only comes down to one thing. Bullshit, or in your terminology "Listen and Believe."
For those that haven't read that particular article, it basically says he didn't report on the statutory rape of a minor. Humor ensues when...
I think I can answer that: because whenever GamerGate has participated in a public forum, it has only been embarrassed and seen public support drop. For example, the recent event with that Koretzky dude from the Society of Professional Journalists turned into a monkey-show of GG e-celebs and floor-crappers. Public exposure is not GamerGate's friend. Remember Aurini's big documentary? ou think GG is gonna be helped by having Oliver Campbell explain how he's in deep cover for the FBI investigating the feminists? Or Ralph Retort talking about the ethics of doxxing bitches while cleaning out his ear with a toothpick? I repeat: public exposure is not GamerGate's friend. If the past year has taught us anything, it's that fact. Every event, every happening has just caused GamerGate's support to erode.
Really? You mean the same thing from the SPJ which has a gaming-only related journalism reward that only goes to sits that show they have no conflict of interest? Or people like Lynn Walsh who are on the savepoint panel because of it? Strange I don't seem to remember Cambell ever saying that, link? But if you're right and all that has cause GG's support to erode, then why do subs continue to increase, and why do subs and sites continue to consistently draw more people?
On the other hand, if you ask the question, "Why would the blue-haired SJWs want their own panel shutdown?" now you have something of a quandary. Every time they get their mugs in public, they have multinational companies throwing money at them (Intel) or they get invited to be on Colbert or to speak at the United Nations or they have their new non-profit anti-harassment organization funded. Their Patreons get more donors and they get to be social darlings. Public exposure is the SJW's friend. They suck that shit up, and having a panel at SXSW cancelled would be a disaster for them.
In summary, one party has nothing to gain and the other has nothing to lose.
Really GG has nothing to lose anyway. Gamers themselves have been bullied, called mass murders, the cause of all of societies ills since the 1990's. You're basically looking at one of the most bullied sections of society who've already been beaten down, and saying "no fucks are given." But if they had nothing to gain, or provided nothing then all those gaming sites wouldn't have changed their disclosure and ethics policies, the FTC wouldn't have changed their native advertising rules, and the media wouldn't be so obsessed with us as the "new 4chan" that hacks, rapes, destroys, doxes, and takes candies from babies. You literally can't go a week without some new article claiming that GG is evil, or GG did this or that because they're GG. It's almost turned into a dank meme all because of their hard work.
GanerGate argues that "professional victims" harass themselves with fake threats to gain attention. Using that logic we can conclude that GamerGate is probably behind all threats made against GamerGate, since it profits from the drama.
Well considering every time their patreon start dropping those professional victims re-inject themselves into it and start claiming this like "gamergate did a driveby shooting" and so on. Gamergate doesn't profit on drama, drama hurts it more than anything. There's an easy way to disprove what you're saying though, if gamergate did profit from the drama then all those articles calling use harassers, doxers, worse than isis, there'd be hundreds of thousands of subs on Kotakuinaction, and posts would be hitting the autosage limit on chans. But that's not happening is it?
More seriously, in my experience when people start accusing others of dishonest behaviour based on some dubious circumstantial evidence, it's because that's how they think and how they themselves act. The fact that we have IRC logs of GanerGate channels where people discuss doing this pretty much confirms it.
I'm sure you've got plenty of proof on that. Since the only channels gamergate actually uses is: /r/kotakuinaction and GGHQ and GGR on 8chan.
That's great. I'm a grey beard and I'm "in this mess." And going by your post, I've been here longer than you, especially since I remember writing out games that came in magazines to play them. I'm disabled, my back is broken in two places, and I do game as well. You know what happened when this all started up though? There was this tag called #notyourshield, where those SJW's started saying that a disabled minority like myself didn't exist. They told women that game they don't exist, they told other minorities they didn't exists. And to round it all up, when people proved that they did exist and didn't agree with them. They started calling people house niggers, uncle toms, and so on. Oh SJW's full of love and kindness right?
If you've been gaming as long as you have, then you'll remember the ye olde days when gaming magazines would shill out for corps, and people who were friends without disclosing it. You'll also remember when the internet started catching on, how everyone and their brother started launching their own site and become their own game reviewer. You'd have been in that bluesnews/voodoo3d/etc clique that existed at the time. You'll remember that those gaming magazines started dying, and were replaced by online sites.
And you jump a head, you'll remember the Dorito Pope among other instances of corruption, conflicts of interest, and collusion. You'll also remember saying fuck this, and a few years after that you'd start seeing the rise of Let's Plays and 'tube related reviews of games and being happy with them. And jumping to the present, unless you buried your head in the sand you'll have remember the number of authors on the big name sites getting caught shilling for their buddies indie games, authors shilling for xyz companies games and so on.
SJW's pushing 'diversity' or what they claim as diversity is only a small part. It's claiming to be the only voice that can speak for you, or me. If you don't want to be in this mess, that's fine. The game journo's and the vast majority of those who were in Game Journo Pro's created it. You're now seeing the fall out. Oh and a fun bit, look up people like Arthur Chu, Geordie Tait, or Randi Haper or Zoe Quinn. Who've either wanted to commit or openly support violence, or doxing people who don't follow their lines of belief.
That's easy, because SJWism is slacktivism. And slacktivism is easy to do, and in turn it gives you e-cred and makes you feel better. It means you can whine, and cry about some great horror in your life...like manspreading, or how air conditioners are a sexist conspiracy of the patriarchy and feel good about yourself. Instead of having to go out into the world, and help the homeless or travel to an actual war torn hole in the ground and help setup medical and triage camps, to try to help people who are actual victims of war and get them back on their feet.
People have. Twitter has ignored it, you can still find to this day the personal dox of the CEO of Northstar Debt collection that was calling Randi Harper, for debt reclaiming. And said CEO and families personal information in her feed.
Perhaps if they had put their money where their mouths are and promoted use of their real names when talking about RL issues.
Well you'll have to excuse us greybeard for understanding why being anonymous or semi-anonymous is important, even back in ye olde days of usenet. Do you need an explanation?
Come now, that's a disingenuous statement...because "Thunderfoot" was a Youtube personality!
And that's a important reason why? How about MundaneMatt?
It's easy for someone to claim something is a meritocracy, when it actually isn't in practice.
Really? I guess that's why Github threw out their meitocracy rug when they changed CEO's, and got on the feels not reals belief that ability doesn't matter. Then again, I guess that's the reason why OpenSSL just publish a CoC that basically says "merit is all that matters." But I'm sure you've got plenty of proof that various things in say OSS aren't merit based, and stupid people doing stupid things aren't called out on it. This is /. after all, we know that isn't true.
I want to point out something interesting. Those men are referred to by their by their adolescent-y pseudonyms, but the women are referred to by their real names.
Well I could post leothepirate or thunderf00t's real names, but those pseudonyms? Those are the names they are known by, much like how Quinn, Haprer, Sarkeesian and Wu are the names they're known by. It's pretty simple isn't it. If I said Phil and Leo would you know their real names and how they played into this? The answer would be no.
Besides, when everyone is anonymous and using a pseudonym you don't know who that other person is. You're not clouding your views based on who they might be, their race, sex, or anything else. You're basing the merit of their statements and ideas. And I know that many on the far left, especially in the social justice circles and modern feminism have a real problem with merit and meritocracies which they call sexist, sometimes racist, and I've even seen merit called homophobic.
There's nothing there that says gamergate was involved at all. Here's a question, why would gamergate want it's own panel shutdown? It's not any different than the tinfoilers who claimed that gamergate tried to shut down their own gathering at Local16(which is an on-going investigation still), or claiming that they shutdown the SPJ Airplay event with multiple bomb threats(also an on-going investigation), where the SPJ actually gave them a voice, instead of what the media was claiming it was.
In my book it falls into one of two camps, either exceptionally devout SJW's did it because they believed they're doing the right thing(there is an extremely long list of SJW's who have faked things to get attention or try to stop something--from fake racism to claiming non-existent rape while claiming it was "to create a dialog) or for the lulz, or trolls doing it for the lulz. You know, people like Joshua Goldberg who was a prolific writer for a pile of left-wing sites like The Guardian, Daily Kos, Feministing, and had dozens of articles published by them. But, he uses the gamergate hashtag(which anyone can use) 35 times, when there are 3.5m+ tweets in it, but that automatically makes him a member of gamergate says the SJW crowd.