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SXSW Reinstates Panels On Harassment, Adds All-Day Harassment Summit (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader writes: On Tuesday, the South by Southwest Festival announced that it had canceled a pair of panels about online harassment after receiving threats involving them. The cancellation generated a massive outcry, including threats from media organizations to withdraw their support for the festival. Now, SXSW has announced that they're reinstating the panels as part of an all-day summit dedicated to talking about online harassment. They said, "By canceling two sessions we sent an unintended message that SXSW not only tolerates online harassment but condones it, and for that we are truly sorry. The resulting feedback from the individuals involved and the community-at-large resonated loud and clear. While we made the decision in the interest of safety for all of our attendees, canceling sessions was not an appropriate response." They've scheduled more than two dozen speakers for the event, and they plan to stream it live online. "Online harassment is a serious matter and we stand firmly against hate speech and cyber-bullying. It is a menace that has often resulted in real world violence; the spread of discrimination; increased mental health issues and self-inflicted physical harm."
I virtually kick their asses in cyberspace. I stuff their bits into lockers and turn all their 1s into 0s. Why are they hitting themselves?
Plan to have panels about online harassment. Harassed into canceling those plans. Then reinstate the plans?
I don't know what the lesson is here!
Glad they changed their mind, few problems are solved by hiding from them
For all the control they seem to have over multiple media services (e.g. Twitter, Reddit, Fark, Gawker, etc.), they sure look like professional victims.
How about having a discussion about how those services have been used to harass and silence individuals that have defied certain narratives?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
First by cancelling the panels due to threats, then by reinstating them due to threats!
The lesson to learn here kids: threats works!
They don't hide from people if they have administrative control of the narrative. Take that away and they're completely powerless.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Wah.
I don't respond to AC's.
SXSW used to be about puking your guts out at 9am after an all nighter, then killing it at shows later that night.
Panels about online harrasment?!?
That is on par with assigning an ip to your bidet, logging in to FB through it, then posting updates while using it.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
Watch it or we'll banish you to MySpace.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
As a native Austinite, I go to SXSW to hear new bands, see new films, see the cool stuff people do, tech-wise (such as put Wi-Fi antennas on homeless people), and other things. An all-day anti-bullying panel? For all the money I pay for a badge, parking, transportation, dodging wayward Prius drivers, and bail money, there are just far more exciting things to go see and do at SXSW than sit there and hear people kvetch about what victims they are.
I guess the only thing more obvious than a U.S. politician is a Mexican politician.
On a related note:
Q) how can you tell when politicians are telling the truth?
A) When they're dead. ;)
See subject: They seem to think it's ok to give others shit for no good reason. They're the kind of jerks that never had their butt kicked for it... that's all.
Sooner or later, they will & run into the type of person that just doesn't sit there & take it, the worst thing you can do imo is that - do nothing.
(Imo @ least - It's best to defend yourself IF & ONLY IF YOU TRULY ARE "The righteous man" in it (if you f'd up &/or started it on b.s. premises, that's another story): Since IF you don't? The crap never stops coming - I've been alive for 1/2 a century & what goes around comes around, every single time!)
APK
P.S.=> I've seen it online, I've seen it in the streets all over this world in that timeframe, & that is the way it goes everytime and everywhere, sooner or later - but online trolls (weasels) don't think it'll ever happen to them is all (sometimes, they're wrong) ... apk
For all the control they seem to have over multiple media services (e.g. Twitter, Reddit, Fark, Gawker, etc.), they sure look like professional victims.
How about having a discussion about how those services have been used to harass and silence individuals that have defied certain narratives?
Pray tell what control they have over multiple media services? You can block persistent harassers on Twitter if they're using one account but that doesn't mean you won't still have to deal with a barrage of hate in the first place (or every time a new story comes out). Twitter also tends to not find the vast majority of threats actionable. That's just explicit threats: nothing in the TOS at most of these places about hateful comments, ad hominems, etc., which are very much still harmful and harassment.
Also, how can you silence someone for "defying" a narrative? Wouldn't that imply that they haven't been silenced in the first place?
Did you really read "all-day summit about harassment" and jump straight to the "they're not going to talk about the real victims" card? You do realize you aren't victimized by other people speaking about the harassment they've faced or various ways of building systems to discourage harassment, right?
I'm laughing so hard. I might piss myself. Please, send help.
This is just too funny.
First they cancel a harassment panel due to harassment, now they reinstate it due to more harassment.
Their submissiveness is hilarious.
Grow a fucking spine. No wonder nobody takes you people seriously.
Back in the stupid ages, people like that died young, or became slaves to others.
Oh, wait, it still happens now. I repeat, grow a spine.
They'll still not be taken seriously. They already doomed their panels, this is just more salt in the wound.
welcome to the harassment panel, you damn wusses. thought you could get out of this one, eh? I'm Sarge, and you're nothing..........
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Someone hasn't been paying attention, no one would even be talking about this is GamerGate wasn't turned into the biggest example of the Streisand Effect yet.
[text on a screen] is a menace that has often resulted in real world violence
Oh, really? And where can we view these spooky words with magical powers?
Writhe your naked ass to the mindless groove.
I can't wait for day when we all look back on this drama and realize how silly we were back end.
It's strange how people on the internet will get emotionally invested in something so menial and use it as a battleground for their political ideologies.
And before someone says "Well its because of the..", No. Both side are guilty of this and both sides are equally annoying.
Those who can withstand a full day of harassment is eligible for a seat in the Harassment Panel.
After searching through a few pages of /r/games and /r/gamernews you don't see a blip about this event, but if you look on /r/girlgamers it's right on the first page. Below is a response to the original cancellations from one of the SxSW panelists. You should honestly read the whole thing in the link provided. It gets nasty. REAL nasty and paints a perfect picture of what happens when a SJW with an agenda doesn't get his or her way right down to threatening to publicly shaming the event during their own panel.
https://the-cauldron.com/sxsw-s-astounding-ideals-of-cowardice-871764d3eb45
"Your conference is the corrupt, decaying edifice of the status quo, no matter how much you pretend otherwise, because you lack the common decency to take a stand against those who would hurt others merely because they’ve always been able to do so. The women who presented this panel knew there would be risks. Threats of violence, of bitter hate, of crude and salacious intimidation tactics—these women, and many others, deal with those risks every day, simply because they dare exist. They wanted to have a conversation about those risks, discuss ways of mitigating, or perhaps even solving them, but thanks to your impotent leadership, they now will not have that opportunity.
So I say to you, SXSW, and every one of your toadies who failed to stand up for what was right, even though it might have been what was difficult, that your conference is garbage. You, collectively, are garbage, a sad accumulation of fears squirming inside the skins of what could have been human beings, and I hope that one day, all of you will take stock of your lives and determine whether or not you are the people you wish to be. Until that day, you have proven yourselves unfit to steward nothing more than the ferrying of waste through your own body.
Sincerely,
SXSW Panelist For ‘The Art of The Own: Internet Etiquette and Sports,’ And You Better Be Damn Certain This Is Going To Be In The Panel —
Chris Kluwe"
Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
An example would be Twitter who has banned people for claiming they posted doxs, or harassment like Leothepirate or Thunderf00t for example but allowed people like Quinn, Harper, Sarkeesian and Wu to run free, who've posted doxs, harassed people, or even sent their followers out to attack others. I think that's what they're talking about, the rules don't apply equally. If you're in the right kind of clique, you can do whatever you want.
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Sounds like it will be a great summit.
OH NO YOU DINNINT!
We haven't had a good ol' fashioned thermonuclear flamewar around here in ages.
Just what this thread needs!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Long gone are the days of 1000+ post articles. Now half of what you see are trolls, 25% are MRA/Gamergate morons and the rest are what used to make up the majority, decent discussion. It's time to leave.
But this makes me sad I used my 5 mod points today on other threads.
That said, it's frustrating for those of us who created the whole gaming industry in the first place, to see all the qualified women gamers and game designers still struggling with this kind of thing. I can't tell you how many young women have to deal with this, when they shouldn't have to.
It matter not Why, only that it is still happening.
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Ding, I just leveled up as a SJW when you gave me that acheivement.
(character dances on leveling)
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Can anyone tell me what this has to do with music and beer....isn't that what SXSW was originally about?
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Liberal journalists are all bending over backwards and tripping over themselves to prove how liberal they are. They're being played like a cheap crank activated organ.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
or harassment like Leothepirate or Thunderf00t for example but allowed people like Quinn, Harper, Sarkeesian and Wu to run free
I want to point out something interesting. Those men are referred to by their by their adolescent-y pseudonyms, but the women are referred to by their real names.
I know this view is very unpopular with a large segment of the population, but I can't help but subscribe to it regardless.
There are people being tortured to death in Syria. There are people being tortured to death in Sudan. There are people being tortured [to death?] in American "detention centers". But American society today focuses on the injustice of virtual harassment online. Really?
I'm not suggesting that we can't worry about first world problems until we feed Africa or anything like that. I understand that different people have different priorities, and that's fine. I'm merely astounded by the level of offense some people can muster over relative nothings. Social justice warriors need to get some perspective.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
I want to point out something interesting. Those men are referred to by their by their adolescent-y pseudonyms, but the women are referred to by their real names.
Well I could post leothepirate or thunderf00t's real names, but those pseudonyms? Those are the names they are known by, much like how Quinn, Haprer, Sarkeesian and Wu are the names they're known by. It's pretty simple isn't it. If I said Phil and Leo would you know their real names and how they played into this? The answer would be no.
Besides, when everyone is anonymous and using a pseudonym you don't know who that other person is. You're not clouding your views based on who they might be, their race, sex, or anything else. You're basing the merit of their statements and ideas. And I know that many on the far left, especially in the social justice circles and modern feminism have a real problem with merit and meritocracies which they call sexist, sometimes racist, and I've even seen merit called homophobic.
Om, nomnomnom...
First they were a bunch of hipster dbags, and now they're SJWs.
I actually think professional victims are pretty clever. They bait a bunch of angry internet people into harassing them, and then get cash. Why not?
There were two panels that were cancelled. The one anti-harassment and one media corruption. It seems like the media boycott got the anti-harassment panel reinstated, but they don't have any serious problem with nobody caring about media corruption for some reason. It must be because the only ones that care about media corruption are all serious harassers like Anne Rice, The David Pakman Show, or KFC.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
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(It's THAT simple & doubtless WHY the fool you replied to does his "unidentifiable ac trolling" - I've burnt him the same way before, so he won't use his registered 'luser' account here on /. now vs. myself... )
APK
P.S.=> Like I said initially - most of these fools do it UNTIL they get their ass kicked (like I did to that dolt in the link above easily), then they resort to their b.s. posting unidentifiably & anonymously here on /. - then come the downmods of posts that make them look like the fools they are!
All of which could be easily rectified in the case of abused sockpuppet administered downmods, by identifying WHO applied them - they don't DO that here claiming "it would start flamewars" well hell, per YOU? LET IT... & nobody can tell me "it can't be done" in code - the coders @ soylentnews, who use /. code for their forums, TOLD ME IT COULD & EASILY IMPLEMENTABLE IN MINUTES!
(As it'd go a LONG WAYS to stopping modpoint abuse AND IDENTIFYING SOCKPUPPETRY used to downmods opponents these worms can't get the best of as well as stopping them in their tracks by letting them make fools of themselves... of course, that assumes they have PRIDE, & they don't - they haven't ever accomplished anything to be PROUD of & never will - this bogus easily abused system DOES NOT SPEAK WELL OF THOSE THAT DESIGNED THIS FORUMS - it says THEY THEMSELVES use such bogus machinations + tactics to "further their own agendas" even when they're faulty as hell!)... apk
If I said Phil and Leo would you know their real names and how they played into this? The answer would be no.
Perhaps if they had put their money where their mouths are and promoted use of their real names when talking about RL issues.
You're not clouding your views based on who they might be, their race, sex, or anything else. You're basing the merit of their statements and ideas.
Come now, that's a disingenuous statement...because "Thunderfoot" was a Youtube personality!
And I know that many on the far left, especially in the social justice circles and modern feminism have a real problem with merit and meritocracies which they call sexist, sometimes racist, and I've even seen merit called homophobic.
It's easy for someone to claim something is a meritocracy, when it actually isn't in practice.
That's because the pseudonymous folks exercising free speech could end up in jail based on just accusations.
The SJWs don't have to worry about that.
Accusations are now weapons in the 21st century.
Calling a guy a "pussy" is not making out that female genitalia or having female genitalia is a bad thing, it's making fun of the guy's lack of masculinity, which in the real world, for a male, isn't usually desired.
Its the same as when calling a women a "dog" - you're not saying that you think dogs are bad, but rather that the woman has taken on the visual features of a dug, ie. she's ugly.
The best way to counter these types is to let them speak for themselves. Nobody should try to silence them, especially when they'll give you the rope to hang them for free.
We will never be the change to the weather and the sea
Hey Gamer Gate -supporters-.
I'm a 44 year old white male gamer. And I do NOT support your mess. You don't just affect a couple of younger women when you act like asses. You affect entire groups. If all of the rest of this is TLDR; then so be it ... but understand that grown ups don't support your crap and you DIDN'T create this genre.
FWIW, I was downloading Doom on floppies before most of the "Gamer Gate" jerks were born. I was playing MUDs and MOOs before most of the people on /. in general had ever heard of the Internet (and I was on /. long before most of the people in this conversation). I was emailing co-workers via SMTP at other TV stations before Internet Service Providers existed (normally you'd insert email during college before ISPs but I mostly skipped college due to the nascent Internet allowing me to build a couple of careers with the knowledge I had self-taught before classes in such things existed).
I built many years of great income out of that self-knowledge and I still gamed. I was injured and ended up disabled. But ... I still play games.
However I rarely talk about gaming anymore. And I have to specifically avoid some games, or at least some servers, to avoid the worst of the worst. These days I am truly reluctant to even admit playing newer games due to Gamer Gate idiocy.
When I'm playing an MMO that has younger, usually male, voices on our raid server I use HEADPHONEs. Not because I care about not sending speaker feedback, my system is better than that, but because I get flat out embarrassed by some of the crap people say both jokingly (but with them often still agreeing with it and hiding it as humor) as well as matter-of-factly. I don't need my wife or our housemates hearing that crap.
Don't like SJWs? Well, as frustrating as it can be when someone fights microaggressions instead of getting to the core problem, the people supporting Gamer Gate (or who are part of the culture and support its basic morals by not disagreeing when someone who is vocally supporting them lashes out) CREATED many SJWs. Both sides have become so polarized that nothing good is getting done.
Good on SXSW for realizing that they allowed themselves to be bullied ... and by being bullied and canceling those events showed complacency towards a group who takes that as encouragement. But damnit SXSW ... this isn't new. It has been around for long enough that you should have known better to begin with. Had you stuck to your morals in the first place this would already be in a better place.
If there was a good way for an older gamer to show a younger gamer the reasons why they are wrong and how badly it is going to affect their own lives once they've fully grown up, I would. But there really isn't. Yeah, I can stop gaming with a few people and explain why (which I've done)... or if I'm leading the gaming group I can punt you when you refuse to shape up (also done) ... but that just forces those people to go play with people who are even worse about this. So these days online I just ignore it and casually bring up alternative views later on. Some people see it, some people don't. Some people improve, some people won't. But I'm not your father and gaming isn't the real world. You need to get out into the real world and start realizing how hateful and hurtful your actions are.
Get of my gaming lawn. Believe it or not you WEREN'T here first and the people who were are sick of this.
There was a time when the rest of the gaming population could stand geeky-proud about our gaming. Now we avoid even mentioning it because we DON'T want to be in the middle of this mess. If you don't like the way people are attacking you back then realizing they're reacting to you. If you get a kick out of it then you really are the problem. Cut it out. Grow up.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
Twitter goes on evidence. If you have evidence of those people you mention doxing then please post out and I'll file a complaint against them.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I want to point out something interesting. Those men are referred to by their by their adolescent-y pseudonyms, but the women are referred to by their real names.
That's because feminists don't have to worry about being fired from their jobs when they shoot their mouths off online. Anyone who dares to criticizes them does have to worry about that and much more. In fact, when Thunderf00t's real identity was first revealed, the feminists tried to get him fired from his job with a mass letter writing campaign. Some of them even started writing to police agencies claiming that his criticism amounted to a criminal offense.
Do I have to wear pants to the all day harassment seminar or can I show up naked with a case of beer?
No pants doesn't equal consent!
No costume doesn't equal consent!
Case of beer might equal consent, ask me again when I'm at can 22 or 23..
Whole day of panels on harassment
Oh right, they put together a whole day teaching people how to harass others online, gathering all of the most epic trolls from around the world to one location...
Obviously gathered for the purpose of a targeted military strike by forum moderators the world over.
Remind me to stay the hell away from Austin that day!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You know Zoe Quinn's real name isn't Zoe Quinn don't you?
Sargon and thunderfoots real names is a matter of public record.
One can SET the table, have a SET of tools, or SET something down. These are unrelated meanings which happen to have the same spelling, mostly because English speakers prefer their words to be shorter than the Latin and Greek from which they derive.
PUSI-ll-animous is latin for cowardly. A long time ago it was brought into English as "pussy" (other origins are also possible, it was a long time ago).
Some time later, cat or pussy was separately used as slang for vagina.
Two unrelated meanings that happen to have the same spelling because pusillanimous is "too long; didn't say".
OK, here you go:
Quinn
Harper
Sarkeesian
Wu
Now get cracking.
Perhaps if they had put their money where their mouths are and promoted use of their real names when talking about RL issues.
Well you'll have to excuse us greybeard for understanding why being anonymous or semi-anonymous is important, even back in ye olde days of usenet. Do you need an explanation?
Come now, that's a disingenuous statement...because "Thunderfoot" was a Youtube personality!
And that's a important reason why? How about MundaneMatt?
It's easy for someone to claim something is a meritocracy, when it actually isn't in practice.
Really? I guess that's why Github threw out their meitocracy rug when they changed CEO's, and got on the feels not reals belief that ability doesn't matter. Then again, I guess that's the reason why OpenSSL just publish a CoC that basically says "merit is all that matters." But I'm sure you've got plenty of proof that various things in say OSS aren't merit based, and stupid people doing stupid things aren't called out on it. This is /. after all, we know that isn't true.
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Media corruption has been around for decades. It only turned into gamergate because someone's jilted posted a bunch of lies and it exploded when all those basement dwellers felt offended that a woman should dump a guy that seemed so thoughtful and well spoken in his drunken rant. And besides, even though this journalist didn't even do any reviews of her games, he *could* have and that's what matters. But 10 people still believe that gamergate is still about ethics in journalism when the rest of the world moved beyond and focused on the harrassment and misogyny behind it all. And every single time anything related to gamergate shows up you see the same thing - a tiny number of people who up and say "it's not about misogyny" even though the misogyny shows up in force with stalking, death threats, hate posts, etc.
People have. Twitter has ignored it, you can still find to this day the personal dox of the CEO of Northstar Debt collection that was calling Randi Harper, for debt reclaiming. And said CEO and families personal information in her feed.
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Are you incapable of actually linking to the offending tweets? No one is disputing those four have twitter accounts -- the evidence requested is of doxxing, not of simply having a twitter account. Sure, I *could* dig through the hundreds of thousands of tweets archived on those accounts, but that's a hell of lot of time for someone to spend to attempt to prove an opposing point. Perhaps you could do the work of proving your point yourself? Otherwise I'll assume you only linked to the accounts because you yourself don't where the doxxing tweets are and you are just guessing they must be there somewhere because you don't like the account owners.
You can read, right? The accounts are right there. Just go look, it's not hard to find. Alternatively there's Google, you should be able to figure it out on your own. I'm not here to hold your hand.
Oh man, do you guys ever get tired of repeating the same b.s. over and over again? You spend your time man-hating and manipulating, then get upset when someone calls you on it. I imagine GamerGate has both well meaning supporters and haters, but at absolute worst you are the pot complaining that the kettle is as black as you are.
I want to point out something interesting. Those men are referred to by their by their adolescent-y pseudonyms, but the women are referred to by their real names.
Zoe Quinn is not her real name. It's a pseudonym.
There's no man hating here. There is gamergate hating though. And I am a gamer and a man, so...
Your rhetoric does exactly what you are attempting to do in the opposite direction. Amazing how violence only happens when it's "that" side's argument...
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Bomb at the Boston Marathon? No warning. Columbine? No warning. Oklahoma city? No warning. Cancelled schools and work that impacted my kids, other family members, or myself? At least in the hundreds. Add in what I heard on the "News" and it's at least 4 times as many.
Seems to match the person's point when we look at history.
Now if I believe TV shows and movies were real... well that would be foolish.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
"That's why I loves me some APK, right there. Calling out UNIDENTIFIABLE AC trolls. Beautiful." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 30, 2015 @04:14PM (#50835137)
See subject: ...Ones w/ NO BALLS & NO SHAME like yourself now, for example!
You & "your kind"?
You have no pride since you have no accomplishments of your own that are any good!
So thus, you have no decent reputation either due to your own "slackerish" nature...
Whose fault is that? Your own.
Not that I mind usually - you present no competition for me in things... However - The only problem with that is the rest of us having to deal with "your kind" spreading your misery @ your own wasted lives since "misery loves company"... worms.
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(Truer words were never spoken on /. - & please: Don't feed us ANY bullshit that you were "trying to stick up for me" or "help me" here - I don't need it from you @ all...)
APK
P.S.=> I've got "your kind" figured out as do most others & the above summarizes you perfect (& you know it) - I truly pity you... apk
Sure stinks of a publicity ploy...SXSW dropped 3 pegs in my book (not that I paid any attention to SXSW anyways.) If they stuck to their guns originally then perhaps they wouldn't have gotten a bunch of free press, but at least they'd have my respect.
See subject & this link http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... as it did the job for me perfectly!
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Nicest part is that I had other slashdotters do the talking FOR me for making an unidentifiable trolling swine "eat his words"... lol!
APK
P.S.=> That's just "what I do/how I roll" & it works perfectly for me... apk
It only turned into gamergate because someone's jilted posted a bunch of lies and it exploded when all those basement dwellers felt offended that a woman should dump a guy that seemed so thoughtful and well spoken in his drunken rant.
That's not quite what actually happened or why GamerGate became a thing. After a man went public about the emotional abuse and infidelity he had dealt with from his ex-girlfriend, it turned out that one of the men she had cheated with was a writer for Kotaku and had given her favorable coverage without disclosing their relationship. GamerGate happened because, instead of admitting the mistake, Kotaku released an article claiming they had investigated and decided nothing improper was going on, despite photographic evidence otherwise. Personally, I find it very confusing that anti-GG keeps insisting that the entire incident was lies from a jilted ex despite the provided evidence and Quinn later admitting to it.
Many gamers were upset about the coverup, and it might have died down on its own, except several gaming news sites then seemingly independently produced a series of "gamers are dead" articles, which attacked and criticized gamers as a whole and accused gamers of widespread, systemic misogyny because they dared to be upset about a reporting scandal that involved a woman who cheated on her boyfriend. Making things even worse, it was discovered soon after that the series of articles was coordinated through a private mailing list used by all of those publications, where they colluded to decide what should be published.
A lot of people were very upset about this, and what's when GamerGate really took off. Since then, the involved sites have continued to hammer down on their accusations, and a large number of third-wave feminists have joined in after hearing calls of misogyny, trying to claim that strong criticism is the same as harassment, even though men like Jason Schreier, Nathan Grayson, and Jonathan McIntosh have been just as harshly criticized as any women involved. Meanwhile, the examples that anti-GG tries to point to as harassment and threats regularly turn out to be either unassociated with GG or complete fabrications. I keep trying to find somebody who has actually committed physical violence in the name of GG, and I still haven't found any. Women Action Media even did a study and released a report indicating that only a tiny percentage of GamerGate-related activity was involved in harassment at all. If you're going to judge the group based on the actions of a few outliers, then you can condemn pretty much any group.
And it might make you feel better to tell yourself "10 people still believe that gamergate is still about ethics", but KotakuInAction is up to well over 53k subscribers now and is still working hard at exposing corruption, censorship, and collusion. Calling them misogynists just makes them even more determined.
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There's no man hating here. There is gamergate hating though. And I am a gamer and a man, so...
When you gamergate hate, you'r hating on women, you know - look at the number of women using #notyourshield. The type of man who uses a bunch of women as a tool to further what looks like an untra-right-wing ideology is... well, you can probably guess...
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Where are the "Nudes for Nerds?"
That's the stuff that matters...
It's not our fault the women can't come up with a cool handle to go by!
The gamergate folks are the ones who are doxxing women they hate, stalking, sending death threats. That may not be what the original "it's about the ethics!" people thought it was in the first few hours of gamergate, but that's what it turned into.
The whole point of gamergate is that it was based on a lie; the lie from Zoe Quinn's ex that she was sleeping with a journalist. Which has no evidence of being true. However if it was a guy who slept with a female journalist I can guarantee you that these gamers would have said "way to go dude!" But a lot of gamers already hated Zoe because she had a non traditional game, so they were inclined to believe the lies. The journalist in question never reviewed her game anyway, so it couldn't have been about the ethics. The whole thing really boils down to a few people who hate Zoe Quinn and others from the deep recesses of their souls. I don't know why this hate is there, but it is clear. Every time any story about women shows up on Slashdot they come out of the woodwork repeating the hatred, and Slashdot is the most mild of all the forums.
There's nothing left or right wing here. Is about a group of people who hate certain women. When there's a youtube video where some moron says "here she is flapping her lips again instead of using them to suck a dick", is that *really* the sort of gamergate people that you want to be associated with? That's an attitude that should have died out before we crawled out of caves. I say let the market decide, if you don't like her games then just don't play them rather than start an online jihad.
Except that it isn't true. The journalist in question never gave a review, favorable or otherwise, for any of Zoe Quinns games. Whether she slept with a journalist or not is utterly irrelevant. The man who went public was a jilted boyfriend, and in my experience you just can't trust either party to tell the truth after a breakup. All this photographic evidence or whatnot is just so similar to all sorts of conspiracy theories, from JFK to the moon landing.
There have been ethics problems with all online journals, gaming or not, for years, so why have it all blow up now? Because Zoe Quinn was already a deeply hated person by a segment of gamers.
And you *know* if it was a guy who slept with a female journalist that it would not have been a scandal, and many of these people would be cheering him on instead. In most of today's cultures, men are allowed to be unfaithful but women are not.
You may think that gamergate is about ethics, and it was only about ethics for a couple of days. After that it became about something else. Shouting about getting back to the original topic is pointless. It's like complaining that Watergate should have been only about a break in at one hotel, or that Whitewatergate should have had nothing to do with Monica. The story grew and changed and that's just how it is. In the public's mind, gamergate is about misogyny in gaming. Unfortunately we don't have any convenient hashtags to slap on the ongoing problem of misogyny in gaming and tech (whether or not you believe it exists).
You claim it isn't true, then blast on about the lack of a review. Yoshi didn't claim there was a review.
Why have it all blow up now? Fucking read the post you replied to, it tells you why. Stop making up your own bullshit and respond to the clear simple explanation already given.
The public are seeing through the veil of media censorship and agenda pushing to try and write off GG as being about misogyny. Ongoing efforts to push that agenda are merely adding to the evidence of journalistic ethical shortcomings.
As an independent observer I'm fucked off with the media labelling me as sexist for being a gamer, for being supposedly dead and for the attempts to damage an art form that gives me great pleasure.
Shit, just write your own non-sexist games, if you don't like the hundreds that already exist. Just stop harassing the rest of us for enjoying a broad range of games whether they fit worth your skewed world view or not.
I don't really know much about what this is all about (I only ever see stuff about it on Slashdot; I don't generally surf net gossip type sites) but wow, the upvoted comments seem to be entirely on one side of the argument.
Zoe Quinn is not her real name. It's a pseudonym.
Actually it is her legal name, you can search the MA public records database since she had it changed. She also uses her family name, at times.
Om, nomnomnom...
"Call off your whole day event on harassment or we'll nuke ya? "
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That was SXSW's program scheduling people. The panel members who've written about it in public said they'd told SXSW that having this panel would mean SXSW would have to deal with harassment and threats, and they'd been ignored, so when it happened they expressed a range of opinions from WTF to anger to "we TOLD you this would happen and you should be ready to deal with it". Also, the Gamergate panel didn't get put on the schedule until after the program submission deadlines had passed, so the anti-harassment panel folks were already frustrated by that, and it first it had looked like only their panel was cancelled, not both.
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Who is accusing anyone of being sexist for being a gamer? And who is damaging an "art" form? Certainly Depression Quest did not damage the art form or prevent anyone from playing any game they want, yet that's when this whole thing started to blow up.
However, there ARE sexist games. What's wrong with pointing this out? Why dump a boatload of hate one someone who points out the standard tropes in video games that are sexist? No one is censoring you from playing those games, they're just pointing out the problems in those games. If some game devs decide to change their game in the next release to not be as sexist, then what's wrong with that? Maybe they want to appeal to a larger market than adolescent teens.
Right, so Randi did it (if you can find those tweets). What about the rest? Just because one person is an arsehole doesn't mean everybody vaguely related to them is.
It seems unlikely that Twitter would ignore something with legal implications (the doxing). You'll probably find those tweets don't exist any more, if they did to begin with. There's a lot of mythology surrounding GG, and it takes in-context evidence to make a point.
By insisting to continue with this harassment session and even elevating it to a larger harassment session, I feel as if SXSW is personally harassing me! I feel so bullied that I must hide behind the shield of anonymity. :-(
the biggest example of the Streisand Effect yet.
So... What did [unnamed group] attempt covered-up only to have it spread?
Nothing? I see... How is this an example of the Streisand Effect?
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The public are seeing through the veil of media censorship and agenda pushing to try and write off GG as being about misogyny.
Don't be silly. The general understanding is that GG is all about misogyny and harassment. Probably because that's all you see come out of GG.
No one believes that it has anything to do with ethics, because GG has done absolutely nothing to address ethics in game journalism. They have, however, posted countless misogynistic screeds and threatened and harassed women.
As an independent observer I'm fucked off with the media labelling me as sexist for being a gamer
You're living in a fantasy land. The only time you hear that accusation, is when GG supporters tell each other that that's what the media/SJW's/evil monster's think.
Just stop harassing the rest of us for enjoying a broad range of games whether they fit worth your skewed world view or not.
What harassment? Care to share a single example? That'll be the first time in history a GG supporter had anything of merit to offer.
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First of all, "Wu" isn't her real name, and "she" isn't even a woman.
But, indeed, you should reflect on this difference because it's quite revealing. The feminists are known by full names (even if fake in some cases) because they are actually making a career out of their social activism. "Leothepirate" and "thunderf00t" are commonly referred to by user names because they are not professional activists and generally just voice their opinion on one web site.
Ah, you aren't here to support your argument, and for some odd reason you think it's my job to do that for you. If you don't feel like doing any work to support your argument, I'll just go on thinking you are full of shit.
Right, so Randi did it (if you can find those tweets). What about the rest? Just because one person is an arsehole doesn't mean everybody vaguely related to them is
Sure can find them here. and another instance here. Or her harassing Anne Rice, and leaving fake book reviews. Pretty good for a anti-harassment person, she does tell people to kill themselves and light themselves on fire often too. Of course there seems to be a pro-"no bad tactics, only targets" mentality among the majority of anti-GG people including making shit up. That's from Bob Chipman by the way, there's also people like Sam Biddle who's harassed and threatened to call a kids employer to get them fired, and said the phrase "bring back bullying." You can't forget the general crazy either.
And of course you can find a list of various people who've either doxed or harassed pro-GG people here. And you can see how someone falls into the cult mentality of wanting to be a "good feminist" here Just a list of anti-GG harassment and of course this beauty where Adem Sessler and Jim Sterling come out pro-doxing Well maybe it's nothing, or maybe there's a lot of people out there with serious mental problems who believe that lashing out is the only way to cope with their own problems.
Maybe way out of band of what you asked but I'm tired, so fuck it.
Om, nomnomnom...
Because what you say "she points out" is fictitious and don't stand up to any serious analysis. And she is apparently not merely wrong, but doing this for personal gain. Because she "dumps a boatload of hate" on anybody who disagrees with her. Because she is a sexist and a bigot.
What planet are you living on? What do you think the goal of all their activism is? Feminists like her demand legal changes that would result in severe restrictions on free speech. Zoe Quinn even went before the UN to demand restrictions on free speech.
Think of a car. Think of it with a lack of wheels.
Now think of a boat.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
That's not quite what actually happened or why GamerGate became a thing. After a man went public about the emotional abuse and infidelity he had dealt with from his ex-girlfriend, it turned out that one of the men she had cheated with was a writer for Kotaku and had given her favorable coverage without disclosing their relationship.
He also didn't disclose that he's a fucking time traveller, because the only thing he ever wrote about her, which wasn't a review, was before they had any kind of relationship.
Harper doxxed a debt collector, with evidence here, and before you whine about the source keep in mind the severity of British Libel laws: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/02/the-fact-and-fiction-of-randi-harper/
Sarkeesian droppin dem email addreses and IPs: http://gintaxalvissforever.tumblr.com/post/91880828757/anita-sarkeesian-is-doxing-to-those-who-dont
Of course there Brianna Wu.... who lives completely in her own reality Where she literally invites "harassment" and claims damn near everything AS harassment:
https://archive.is/DSJYF
https://twitter.com/spacekatgal/status/527086838839013377
This stuffs not hard to find.
That sxsw can be pounded into submission like a bunch of well used vaginas.
See subject & this link: I make trolling morons like you eat their words http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
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How you pitiful trolls can live with yourselves I have no idea!
(You & "your kind"? Utterly disgusting worms (but I think you KNOW that about yourselves)).
That's probably why you use those STUPID names like "gargleblast" online... you're jerks
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It's so sad to see the progressive democrats attempting to carve women into another resentful, angry voting block.
During the recent GOP debate, one of the NYC media leftists mentioned the 77% gender wage gap number. It's been widely debunked, but that's to be expected. One of the tactics of the progressive movement is to always claim a problem is around 10x worse than it really is, then negotiate to the center, between the truth value and the bogus value. Meeting in the middle between truth and a lie is still a lie.
That's before considering the obvious outliers -- all the women with their own companies. Apparently they're underpaying themselves, and apparently innocent until proven guilty means nothing to a Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, political machine that uses group guilt by association, pumps it through the legacy NYC / Los Angeles propaganda streams, and carves America into 90%, progressive democrat, voting blocks.
Or the rich history of women, the inspiration derived from the Greek and Egyptian goddesses, to Cleopatra, to the English Queens, to Harriet Tubman, Rosie the Riveter, and all the women who have operated business, obtained high level degrees, and been immensely successful.
There is a danger to revisionist history. As we all know, Herbert Hoover created Hoovervilles, he didn't architect the basic Great Society programs, nor -- after being kicked out of office by the NYC, playboy owned, yellow journalism machines -- did he and the Quakers work tirelessly to provide relief to millions upon millions of starving people in time of war, when the world leaders universally stated that they should starve. The Democrats freed the blacks in 1964, yo.
Like the tragedy of the European slave colonies that America inherited, women have a legacy that they have inherited. Just a few generations ago, there was no 911, antibiotics, or pre/post natal care. Families had 8-10 children, hoping that half would survive to adulthood, and someday provide social security for their aging parents. A woman stayed at home, since she had the baby bottles attached to her upper torso, by her very nature.
It wasn't unusual for a man to come home from earning wages to find his wife dead and a dead baby hanging out of her. What to do? Isn't it obvious? Survive. Off to church to find a widower, and with so many dead men from disease and injury, men and women hooked up fast, for reasons of survival.
With the advent of modern, widespread medicine came record low infant mortality. The demographics speak for themselves. The mercatus study is obviously terrifying, the negotiations in Greece and Detroit have left many pensioners with 10% of their promised retirements. Just a couple of months ago, the social utopian monument to Hadiya Pendleton, Rahm Emanuel's Chicago, was reduced to junk bond status. The political left denies any problem to the end, and still claims nothing is wrong -- it's all a California video, the border is sealed, it's a GOP / NRA conspiracy, all of America is to blame, and the only true Americans are 100% full blooded, Irapapoo Indians.
In truth, many companies are trying very hard to bend over forwards to accommodate victim groups. It's nothing new. HR departments have been storing employee attributes and testing for outliers for decades, not because of a political movement, but because it was the right thing to do. As always, business must higher those with the greatest merit as they depart the education system.
These group resentment constructs -- so often they pick and choose bad stories and forget all the good ones. People need to watch constantly. Just today, President Obama called for major criminal justice reform. As with the same sex relationship issue, the two people who have quietly spent millions behind the scenes to draft papers and promote solutions were not mentioned -- the Koch Brothers.
Because what you say "she points out" is fictitious and don't stand up to any serious analysis.
That's funny. No one, so far, has actually addresses her points. Have a real example?
And she is apparently not merely wrong, but doing this for personal gain. Because she "dumps a boatload of hate" on anybody who disagrees with her. Because she is a sexist and a bigot.
You're thinking of hate-mongers like Thunderf00t. No one cares about him any more, which is why his second-rate screeds have somehow managed to dramatically drop in quality. I didn't think it was possible, but he's actually sunk lower.
What do you think the goal of all their activism is?
I'm far more interested in what you think it's all about. What paranoid conspiracy have you imagined?
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Oh ffs I'm not even a GG supporter and I've heard of the bomb threats that shut down the SPJ Airplay event.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/er... before you ask for fucking evidence.
Stop living in denial and stop supporting professional victims that have harassed themselves to try and drum up publicity and income. It's unethical behaviour, whatever the sex of the self serving arsehole doing it.
I'm not even a GG supporter
Liar:
Stop living in denial and stop supporting professional victims that have harassed themselves
If you're not a supporter, why copy/paste their idiotic rhetoric?
Required reading for internet skeptics
Denial. You should look it up.
Why? There are countless example of denial in threads like these.
You, for example, believe total nonsense despite the near limitless evidence to the contrary. Your own rhetoric isn't even original, it's parroted nonsense from a group long discredited.
Even your example is weak. A hate group received bomb threats. Big surprise. Other hate groups face that every day. We don't want GG anymore than we want the KKK polluting our society. What group are you blaming for the threats here? You basically have the whole of society to pick from -- including the very group that organized the event, as threatening their own event is perfectly in line with other dishonest tactics they've used in the past.
What you want to do, of course, is normalize your own, now deviant, beliefs and behaviors. Worse, you know your attitudes are no longer socially acceptable, as evidenced by your explicit disassociation with the very group from which you draw your rhetoric. Yet you persist...
You want to talk about denial. It's pretty clear that you're moved beyond denial into paranoid delusion. You go around hiding your associations, looking for conspiracies, and spreading laughable propaganda on the few corners of the internet you think you'll find a receptive audience. You're a nut.
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After a man went public about the emotional abuse and infidelity he had dealt with from his ex-girlfriend, it turned out that one of the men she had cheated with was a writer for Kotaku and had given her favorable coverage without disclosing their relationship.
Yoshi didn't claim there was a review.
"a writer for Kotaku [gave] her favorable coverage" So you are claiming that Yosho asserted there was coverage without a review, but Darinbob is wrong for assuming that coverage was a review.
I looked up Kotaku for what I could find, and I found a review http://kotaku.com/4-video-game... dated 4/19/13.
As an independent observer I'm fucked off with the media labelling me as sexist for being a gamer,
If that's what you take from it, you are dumb or obtuse. Those in the industry are sexist. The treatment of Zoe is proof of that. If the genders were (semi) swapped in all this, where a male game maker was supposedly sleeping with a female journalist, would he be crucified by the male gamers? Or would he be given a high-5 and congratulated on his score?
What's hilarious is that the "gamer community" were the ones to issue death and rape threats, then deny it, despite ironclad proof otherwise. The only ones hurting the male gaming community were male gamers.
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Sounds like fun! I want to go to a summit to get harassed all day! Then after that I can go take being-hit-on-the-head lessons at that argument clinic down the street.
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For all the control they seem to have over multiple media services (e.g. Twitter, Reddit, Fark, Gawker, etc.), they sure look like professional victims. That, and some of them seem to have some modpoints to blow.
How about having a discussion about how those services have been used to harass and silence individuals that have defied certain narratives?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Shame that someone doesn't have the modpoints to mod your kind down.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
So... What did SJWs attempt to cover up only to have it spread?
The harassment by Chelsea van Valkerberg - through the courts towards her ex as well as through her friends when her misdeeds got unveiled.
If it was nothing, then why did Twitter, Fark, Reddit, Polygon, Giant Bomb, BoingBoing, and a host of other sites just coincidentally synchronize on the same enemies and the same narrative? Never mind that this kind of thing happens at some conventions as a form of SJW dhimmitude.
The GameJournopros leaks provide some proof that this was targeted harassment of individuals that defied or strayed from their narrative. If you don't like that Breitbart released it, consider the fearful reaction against its release as validation of fact.
I'm glad that at least Slashdot has largely stayed immune, aside from the occasional firecracker thrown towards those who dare question the SJW narrative - like myself.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Zoe Quinn is not her real name. It's a pseudonym.
Yes and No. Apparently legal records may have changed - especially in light of her van Valkerberg name being in too many places to control.
While a person can take the van Valkerberg out of their legal records, they can't take the van Valkerberg out their actions. They will eventually be remembered as harassers that abused privilege in the name of calling out privilege.
I would admit that it would be nice to walk in the UN and offer a rebuttal to their harassment claims with mine.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
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Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Fixed that for you.
1. Eron Gjoni breaks up with Chelsea van Valkerberg.
2. Chelsea van Valkerberg engages in lawfare to gag Gjoni, preventing him from speaking the truth.
3. Chelsea van Valkerberg reaches out to some friends to have discussion killed off in various online forums.
4. Anyone who looks at the facts or defends Eron Gjoni (or the exposure of the scandal) is labeled a 'harasser' and is attacked/destroyed/doxxed.
5. Chelsea van Valkerberg loses her gag order in Massachusetts
6. Chelsea van Valkerberg loses her gag order in Washington (state).
7. She retreats to more friendly, fact-free venues after losing court battles.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Unlike many places, Slashdot's discussions are left alone for >90% of the time. It all depends on who has modpoints and when.
Other places have killed off the discussion in the name of "removing harassment", despite allowing harassment of those not in support of the narrative.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
why did Twitter, Fark, Reddit, Polygon, Giant Bomb, BoingBoing, and a host of other sites just coincidentally synchronize on the same enemies and the same narrative?
Because they recognize that supporting the kind of abusive behavior we see from GG and similar groups is not socially acceptable. GG just hasn't figured out that they're no different than other hate groups, so when they see a bunch of large sites reaction exactly like a normal person would expect, they immediately assume that there is some secret conspiracy.
I'm glad that at least Slashdot has largely stayed immune
I'm glad to see that someone is paying attention. To hear most you folks talk, you'd think Slashdot is a bastion of liberalism, beholden to the whims of those evil SJW's. A fiction, as you're well aware. It's pretty obvious that the majority here, sadly, agree with you.
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Because they recognize that supporting the kind of abusive behavior we see from GG and similar groups is not socially acceptable.
Yet the harassment seems to fly from the direction that thinks it's "not socially acceptable" to speak inconvenient truths. Either one abides by the narrative or gets the something equivalent to Scientology's Fair Game.
That, and for people defending civility from hate groups, you sure have a strange definition of both. Sarah Nyberg's crimes against children counted as civility while bringing it to light is hate. In addition, discussions are defined as hate if the wrong people control the discussion or are able to speak. Finally, hatred is defined as civility when the "correct people" control the discussion or make bomb threats against any narrative-breaking event.
With that in mind, your opinion only seems to hold up when you can make appeals to administrative action. Mine can hold up itself based on the facts.
GG just hasn't figured out that they're no different than other hate groups, so when they see a bunch of large sites reaction exactly like a normal person would expect, they immediately assume that there is some secret conspiracy.
The Gamejournopros mailing list leaks, along with the fearful reaction, were proof enough of collusion. That, and disparate sites don't just suddenly get on the same page and deliver the same exact message and policy without some instruction.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Pure delusion.
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Facts can stand up without any administrative action. Care to try to refute them?
On the other hand, the stuff from you seems to be of the purest delusion, supported only by people willing to obliterate the truth.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.