Well, then, you seem to have gotten the point! Because this post was not a troll, it was a protest. This I read and understood. Copies of VisualBasic's EULA are meaningless trash to me. Discussion, on the other hand, is meaningful. As it happens, I don't agree with your points (mostly). Point: 1.) I agree with. This does seem to be a problem, though I doubt there's any malicious intent on the part of the staff. 2.) What's wrong with this article? It's informative and interesting. Learning about a new processor architecture MOST CERTAINLY is News for Nerds, whether or not it be Stuff that Matters. I agree that beta releases shouldn't necessarily be mentioned here, but they always used to be... I don't know where you get the idea/. is going downhill. You also have to realize that some people are interested in things that don't interest you. For example: 3.) I do. I care. It matters to the people who make the site, so sure it isn't news, but it is Stuff that Matters. 4.) I covered this already. Obviously other people's definition of Nerd is different than yours.
Now, wasn't that much better than ranting incoherent nonsense? Now you can present your counter-counter arguments in a logical and intelligent fashion, and I will listen and consider them. Thank you.
Correction: If we take power away from the federal government, we will give power to the States. And the States are traditionally felt to be "closer to the people" being as the seat of power is physically closer, and the government answers more directly.
Explain, then, why the Commonwealth of Virginia (my home) is passing this horrible legislation that gives power to corporations at the expense of the individual. Can you? I'll explain it for you: state governments need money more than the federal government does. They're poorer. This makes them even more open to direct control by the corporations. Virginia is controlled by AOL... the federal government is only influenced by them. Now. People like you want to change that. Believe me, the state governments are no more your friend than the national government. Individuals are powerless... we must realize that! The only exceptions are CEO's and the like. And even they are powerless: they are required to screw me whether they want to or not. The Corporate mindset demands it. Only by voicing ourselves in government can we hope to have any rights at all. Only by using our right to vote can we defend ourselves from the corporations. And yet you would take even that away, by making the government powerless to defend us. I think I'll move to Mars asap...
Your faith in the supreem court is touching, but misguided. Do you really want to be governed by an apointed board? The power of the federal government, which controls more than 25% of the US GDP, is too great already. Concentrating more power in the hands of the already too powerful Judiciary will only increse the power of the already too powerful federal govenment.
Excuse me? Uh... look, the federal government is all that stands between us and domination by the corporations. Do you seriously believe that you would become more powerful or have more rights if the federal government were less powerful? Of course you wouldn't! Decreasing federal power means increasing coporate power, not increasing individual power. Unless you happen to be a CEO or something. I guess you can ignore this if you are. Now, why, you ask, would I prefer government to rule me instead of the corporations? BECAUSE THAT IS WHY GOVERNMENT EXISTS. I have a vote in the government... a corporation can screw me six ways from Sunday if I need their product and there's nothing I can do about it. Nothing at all. If the government screws me, I don't vote for that person! Maybe one person doesn't make much difference, but at least I have some say! I'll say it again: if we take power away from the federal government, we will give power to the corporations. There is no middle ground. It's us (the people, ie, the government remember? Government of the people, by the people, and for the people) or them (the big corporations, who don't even pay stock dividends!). You decide...
I've got a 5300, and sit in the same sorry situation. Well, until I discovered that all hope is not lost for some form of Unix on these Macs! The answer, of course, is MacMiNT (MiNT is Not TOS). This is a port of the MiNT OS for Ataris to the 68k Mac. Suprisingly, it runs fine on PowerMacs, too... Apple did an amazing job with 68k emulation. The only catch is this: it hasn't been updated since 1994. It includes gcc-2.5.8. No network support... but since it runs inside the MacOS that's not really a problem. It's slow as mollasses on my PB5300, too... but it's better than no compiler at all! I guess... Oh well, just thought I'd point out it's existence. Do a search on Google or something, you'll turn it up eventually.
Hey! It's "News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters." You see how those two are seperate? Something can be "News for Nerds" but not "Stuff That Matters" and still be appropriate for Slashdot. Vice versa, too. This definately falls under the former category, so back off!
The article specifically states that this will work with current Cat5 wiring. So, no, we won't have to upgrade the physical wires in the networks. As others have pointed out, of course the switches/hubs will have to be upgraded. As to collision handling, I think the idea is to use switches, which solves that completely, as far as I know. I thought only hubs had problems with collisions, but I could be wrong...
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Everyone describes ext3 as still "pre-alpha." But... never before have I seen a pre-alpha product that was so ready to use. I'm running ext3 right now, on/,/home,/extra, and/boot. It works *great*. I love it! The power goes out, and I come up right where I was without waiting for an fsck. And, I don't lose data, either, since ext3 does full journaling. I've had messy things happen (BasiliskII can lock up the whole system somehow...) in the middle of compiles and not lost anything. I've now been using ext3 for a couple months... I really would not call it pre-alpha.
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Actually, I'm using ext3 right now for all my filesystems. It works really well. Took a little hacking to get it to compile with 2.2.14, though. Actually, it does full journaling. According to the info, that's supposedly *easier* to implement than meta-data only! Anyway, I've had a number of outages recently, and not lost a thing thanks to ext3! It is a trifle slower than ext2 on writes, though...
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Tell me about it! NetHack is the best game ever made. Well, it would be, if it were multiplayer... I've thought about tackling that challenge, but then I realize it's like 3MB (compressed) of source code... hmmm... no, not right now... Though, I've also heard of efforts to do nasty things like add a 3D graphical interface to nethack, which makes me sick. That defeats the purpose! As I envision multiplayer nethack, each player would simply be an @ symbol, and you'd have multiple @s on the screen at once (provided you could see each other). I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement. You'd have to have some sort of server keep track of the maps... and the fact that the game is basically turn based makes things even more difficult. Oh well, probably never happen.
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Someone has to point this out: Theoretically, you *can* run your software on IA-64... it's supposed to be fully backward compatible with IA-32, or so says the press release Q&A. I don't know how well this will work in practice (especially it depends, in your case, on how well MS does with Windows for IA-64... but then, there's always wine), but it shouldn't be a problem.
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You are an idiot. Do you think money spent on space travel gets thrown out of airlocks into space? HELLO?! Do you think space aliens take the money? Obviously, all that money is spent ON EARTH. It ends up in the pockets of, generally speaking, HARD WORKING AMERICANS. The factory workers at Boeing, the engineers like many slashdot readers, etc. The money does NOT disappear! It *is* used to put food on people's table. It helps the economy. Space exploration speeds technological development. I suppose you own a microwave? Like plastic? Etc, Etc, etc...
Sorry, you just pushed my major button.
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Actually, clients don't need any software for VNC beyond a Java-enabled browser, if you can handle 8bit color... higher bit depth does require a special client app, though.
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I'd have to disagree with you here... it's definately the architecture specific optimizations. I also have a Celeron 450, so I decided to perform a test: xmms compiled with -O2 uses more cpu than xmms compiled with -O2 -march=pentiumpro, which does more than optimize: it uses PentiumPro specific instructions, and *will not* run on anything else. Compiled that way, it never shows up as using any cpu cycles at all, which is obviously ridiculous, but I guess it's just falling beneath the tenth of a percent threshold.
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It is indeed a Prime Day. The next Prime Day will be a few years from now: 2/2/2003. So, Prime Days are pretty rare too, if not quite so as Odd Days, thanks to 2 being prime. Also, for Prime Days, I'm considering numbers, not digits, which also reduces the rarity.
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Except, of course, you *can* load a ROM image into your Palm (III), since it uses Flash...
You know what? In my opinion, Ink Jets are really, really pointless. Without exception, they are unbelievably expensive to own and operate and produce so-so output (except for certain HPs, which are beautiful). But even those HPs are pointless. Why? I've never, ever needed to print anything in color. It was always just a neat trick. People trying to get real work done really don't need it. Therefore, buy a laser printer. If you look into Linux support for laser printers, I think you'll see it's in much, much better shape. Now, I will make a claim the mathematically disinclined will find uncredible: laser printers are vastly cheaper than ink jets. Why? Well, that ink jet ink costs $60 (color+black), and lasts, at absolute most, 500 pages. My laser printer toner cartridge costs $65 and lasts for 2500 pages! A little math shows that the $100 difference in the initial price tag vanishes very quickly, if you do a lot of printing (for instance, you are a business). So, buy a laser printer! HP printers are particularly well supported, well priced, and of excellent quality (in my experience). Note, I may sound like I work for HP, but I don't. I work(ed) for Staples, selling printers. These are the conclusions I came to. And no, I did NOT make comission.
I followed those instructions... and got source code! Apparently, it is true... this is the best news (Linux-related) I've had all year! Finally! No more rebooting to Windows for ANY REASON! For me, anyway, since I don't play games other than Civ...
Nothing on that page indicated that Intel "clarified the situation." I saw no reference to the theoretical possibilities of running at 1GHz at all. What you (and all the other hoax-callers) are forgetting is that engineering samples sent to hardware reviewers do not have multiplier locks!
You are leaving out several important things. By far the most important is this: ultra-high quality SVideo out! Yeah, yeah, your TNT2 Ultra can do that, right? NO! Not the resolution and quality of a hardware decoder card, which is just a consumer DVD player-on-a-card. Another thing: AC-3 out, so I can use my $500 receiver for that instead of an unshielded sound card (eg, SBLive!). Another thing: software decoding would kill my distributed.net keyrate! Or kill the compile I might be wanting to do at the same time I watch a movie. The reason I bought a DVD drive was because at the time, a drive+decoder was $100s cheaper than a commercial player, I didn't buy it to watch movies on my computer!
What do you mean? I have converted a number of GIF's to PNGs... and the PNGs are always *smaller* than the GIFs. Were you imagining that you'd have to convert them all to JPEGs?
To reinforce what an AC said before, and perhaps clarify it: the article by mosfet seems, to me, to be saying "We've resolved these technical issues, and here's how" rather than "Uh oh... uh... look over there!" Which is what you seem to be saying it says. That is to say, it isn't spin-control, because there's nothing to spin... they've resolved the issues, in a way that looks to me, as a programmer, to be good.
That was probably more confusing than the original AC post by that other person...
They also can't have terribly powerful computers because they're just too small.
Uh... thinking of ENIAC, I look at my calculator watch. What was that about being just too small? Oh, sure, there's evidence we may be reaching the limit of what we can do to miniaturize our processors, but every time they think they've hit a limit, somebody extends it. It would be foolish to imagine we can keep doing this forever, but equally foolish to believe you'd put a traditional IC on a nanobot. I don't think Moore's Law is going anywhere... when we reach the limit of silicon, we'll use organic computers, or quantum computers. Technology has always solved all our problems... why should we believe that will change? Everyone is always harping on how we can't allow ourselves to believe that tech will solve everything... but why not? Knowledge is power. I very much believe that we will eventually (if we don't kill ourselves off first) solve all social, economic, and environmental problems with technology. And I also believe that those solutions will probably arrive much sooner than we can imagine, since the progress of technology is exponentially accelerating.
Or what about "synthesizing food to stop world hunger"? The major cause of famines is not lack of FOOD, but lack of MONEY.
WRONG! We could feed more people if money weren't an issue, but there is not enough food on the planet to feed the rapidly increasing population. There just isn't. Well... ok, there might be right now. But ten years from now, when the world population is well above 10billion, there simply won't be enough food to feed everyone, even if we shared it equally. There isn't enough arable land to grow it all, especially since increasing population causes more habitats and farm land to be bulldozed for housing. Hydroponics might help, but can only go so far. It will reach a point where the nanomachines are more efficient than the plants, since the plants will be out of room. The other option is forced colonization of space... lotsa room out there. 'Course, nanobots could make that much more feasible too.
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Well, then, you seem to have gotten the point! Because this post was not a troll, it was a protest. This I read and understood. Copies of VisualBasic's EULA are meaningless trash to me. Discussion, on the other hand, is meaningful. As it happens, I don't agree with your points (mostly). Point: /. is going downhill. You also have to realize that some people are interested in things that don't interest you. For example:
1.) I agree with. This does seem to be a problem, though I doubt there's any malicious intent on the part of the staff.
2.) What's wrong with this article? It's informative and interesting. Learning about a new processor architecture MOST CERTAINLY is News for Nerds, whether or not it be Stuff that Matters. I agree that beta releases shouldn't necessarily be mentioned here, but they always used to be... I don't know where you get the idea
3.) I do. I care. It matters to the people who make the site, so sure it isn't news, but it is Stuff that Matters.
4.) I covered this already. Obviously other people's definition of Nerd is different than yours.
Now, wasn't that much better than ranting incoherent nonsense? Now you can present your counter-counter arguments in a logical and intelligent fashion, and I will listen and consider them. Thank you.
Correction: If we take power away from the federal government, we will give power to the States. And the States are traditionally felt to be "closer to the people" being as the seat of power is physically closer, and the government answers more directly.
Explain, then, why the Commonwealth of Virginia (my home) is passing this horrible legislation that gives power to corporations at the expense of the individual. Can you? I'll explain it for you: state governments need money more than the federal government does. They're poorer. This makes them even more open to direct control by the corporations. Virginia is controlled by AOL... the federal government is only influenced by them. Now. People like you want to change that. Believe me, the state governments are no more your friend than the national government. Individuals are powerless... we must realize that! The only exceptions are CEO's and the like. And even they are powerless: they are required to screw me whether they want to or not. The Corporate mindset demands it. Only by voicing ourselves in government can we hope to have any rights at all. Only by using our right to vote can we defend ourselves from the corporations. And yet you would take even that away, by making the government powerless to defend us. I think I'll move to Mars asap...
Your faith in the supreem court is touching, but misguided. Do you really want to be governed by an apointed board? The power of the federal government, which controls more than 25% of the US GDP, is too great already. Concentrating more power in the hands of the already too powerful Judiciary will only increse the power of the already too powerful federal govenment.
Excuse me? Uh... look, the federal government is all that stands between us and domination by the corporations. Do you seriously believe that you would become more powerful or have more rights if the federal government were less powerful? Of course you wouldn't! Decreasing federal power means increasing coporate power, not increasing individual power. Unless you happen to be a CEO or something. I guess you can ignore this if you are. Now, why, you ask, would I prefer government to rule me instead of the corporations? BECAUSE THAT IS WHY GOVERNMENT EXISTS. I have a vote in the government... a corporation can screw me six ways from Sunday if I need their product and there's nothing I can do about it. Nothing at all. If the government screws me, I don't vote for that person! Maybe one person doesn't make much difference, but at least I have some say! I'll say it again: if we take power away from the federal government, we will give power to the corporations. There is no middle ground. It's us (the people, ie, the government remember? Government of the people, by the people, and for the people) or them (the big corporations, who don't even pay stock dividends!). You decide...
I've got a 5300, and sit in the same sorry situation. Well, until I discovered that all hope is not lost for some form of Unix on these Macs! The answer, of course, is MacMiNT (MiNT is Not TOS). This is a port of the MiNT OS for Ataris to the 68k Mac. Suprisingly, it runs fine on PowerMacs, too... Apple did an amazing job with 68k emulation. The only catch is this: it hasn't been updated since 1994. It includes gcc-2.5.8. No network support... but since it runs inside the MacOS that's not really a problem. It's slow as mollasses on my PB5300, too... but it's better than no compiler at all! I guess... Oh well, just thought I'd point out it's existence. Do a search on Google or something, you'll turn it up eventually.
Hey! It's "News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters." You see how those two are seperate? Something can be "News for Nerds" but not "Stuff That Matters" and still be appropriate for Slashdot. Vice versa, too. This definately falls under the former category, so back off!
The article specifically states that this will work with current Cat5 wiring. So, no, we won't have to upgrade the physical wires in the networks. As others have pointed out, of course the switches/hubs will have to be upgraded. As to collision handling, I think the idea is to use switches, which solves that completely, as far as I know. I thought only hubs had problems with collisions, but I could be wrong...
Supreme Lord High Commander of the Interstellar Task Force for the Eradication of Stupidity
Everyone describes ext3 as still "pre-alpha." But... never before have I seen a pre-alpha product that was so ready to use. I'm running ext3 right now, on /, /home, /extra, and /boot. It works *great*. I love it! The power goes out, and I come up right where I was without waiting for an fsck. And, I don't lose data, either, since ext3 does full journaling. I've had messy things happen (BasiliskII can lock up the whole system somehow...) in the middle of compiles and not lost anything. I've now been using ext3 for a couple months... I really would not call it pre-alpha.
Supreme Lord High Commander of the Interstellar Task Force for the Eradication of Stupidity
Actually, I'm using ext3 right now for all my filesystems. It works really well. Took a little hacking to get it to compile with 2.2.14, though. Actually, it does full journaling. According to the info, that's supposedly *easier* to implement than meta-data only! Anyway, I've had a number of outages recently, and not lost a thing thanks to ext3! It is a trifle slower than ext2 on writes, though...
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(It's hard enough avoiding "nethack".)
Tell me about it! NetHack is the best game ever made. Well, it would be, if it were multiplayer... I've thought about tackling that challenge, but then I realize it's like 3MB (compressed) of source code... hmmm... no, not right now... Though, I've also heard of efforts to do nasty things like add a 3D graphical interface to nethack, which makes me sick. That defeats the purpose! As I envision multiplayer nethack, each player would simply be an @ symbol, and you'd have multiple @s on the screen at once (provided you could see each other). I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement. You'd have to have some sort of server keep track of the maps... and the fact that the game is basically turn based makes things even more difficult. Oh well, probably never happen.
Supreme Lord High Commander of the Interstellar Task Force for the Eradication of Stupidity
Someone has to point this out:
Theoretically, you *can* run your software on IA-64... it's supposed to be fully backward compatible with IA-32, or so says the press release Q&A. I don't know how well this will work in practice (especially it depends, in your case, on how well MS does with Windows for IA-64... but then, there's always wine), but it shouldn't be a problem.
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You are an idiot. Do you think money spent on space travel gets thrown out of airlocks into space? HELLO?! Do you think space aliens take the money? Obviously, all that money is spent ON EARTH. It ends up in the pockets of, generally speaking, HARD WORKING AMERICANS. The factory workers at Boeing, the engineers like many slashdot readers, etc. The money does NOT disappear! It *is* used to put food on people's table. It helps the economy. Space exploration speeds technological development. I suppose you own a microwave? Like plastic? Etc, Etc, etc...
Sorry, you just pushed my major button.
Supreme Lord High Commander of the Interstellar Task Force for the Eradication of Stupidity
Actually, clients don't need any software for VNC beyond a Java-enabled browser, if you can handle 8bit color... higher bit depth does require a special client app, though.
Supreme Lord High Commander of the Interstellar Task Force for the Eradication of Stupidity
I'd have to disagree with you here... it's definately the architecture specific optimizations. I also have a Celeron 450, so I decided to perform a test: xmms compiled with -O2 uses more cpu than xmms compiled with -O2 -march=pentiumpro, which does more than optimize: it uses PentiumPro specific instructions, and *will not* run on anything else. Compiled that way, it never shows up as using any cpu cycles at all, which is obviously ridiculous, but I guess it's just falling beneath the tenth of a percent threshold.
Supreme Lord High Commander of the Interstellar Task Force for the Eradication of Stupidity
It is indeed a Prime Day. The next Prime Day will be a few years from now: 2/2/2003. So, Prime Days are pretty rare too, if not quite so as Odd Days, thanks to 2 being prime. Also, for Prime Days, I'm considering numbers, not digits, which also reduces the rarity.
Except, of course, you *can* load a ROM image into your Palm (III), since it uses Flash...
Just to throw in a word: Yes, Office2000 is more expensive than Office97 was. Not hideously more expensive: it's $30 more for the upgrade than before.
Is there any way to get the 6x to work with a hardware decoder like the Hollywood Plus? If so, how?
You know what? In my opinion, Ink Jets are really, really pointless. Without exception, they are unbelievably expensive to own and operate and produce so-so output (except for certain HPs, which are beautiful). But even those HPs are pointless. Why? I've never, ever needed to print anything in color. It was always just a neat trick. People trying to get real work done really don't need it. Therefore, buy a laser printer. If you look into Linux support for laser printers, I think you'll see it's in much, much better shape. Now, I will make a claim the mathematically disinclined will find uncredible: laser printers are vastly cheaper than ink jets. Why? Well, that ink jet ink costs $60 (color+black), and lasts, at absolute most, 500 pages. My laser printer toner cartridge costs $65 and lasts for 2500 pages! A little math shows that the $100 difference in the initial price tag vanishes very quickly, if you do a lot of printing (for instance, you are a business). So, buy a laser printer! HP printers are particularly well supported, well priced, and of excellent quality (in my experience). Note, I may sound like I work for HP, but I don't. I work(ed) for Staples, selling printers. These are the conclusions I came to. And no, I did NOT make comission.
I followed those instructions... and got source code! Apparently, it is true... this is the best news (Linux-related) I've had all year! Finally! No more rebooting to Windows for ANY REASON! For me, anyway, since I don't play games other than Civ...
Nothing on that page indicated that Intel "clarified the situation." I saw no reference to the theoretical possibilities of running at 1GHz at all. What you (and all the other hoax-callers) are forgetting is that engineering samples sent to hardware reviewers do not have multiplier locks!
You are leaving out several important things. By far the most important is this: ultra-high quality SVideo out! Yeah, yeah, your TNT2 Ultra can do that, right? NO! Not the resolution and quality of a hardware decoder card, which is just a consumer DVD player-on-a-card. Another thing: AC-3 out, so I can use my $500 receiver for that instead of an unshielded sound card (eg, SBLive!). Another thing: software decoding would kill my distributed.net keyrate! Or kill the compile I might be wanting to do at the same time I watch a movie. The reason I bought a DVD drive was because at the time, a drive+decoder was $100s cheaper than a commercial player, I didn't buy it to watch movies on my computer!
What do you mean? I have converted a number of GIF's to PNGs... and the PNGs are always *smaller* than the GIFs. Were you imagining that you'd have to convert them all to JPEGs?
To reinforce what an AC said before, and perhaps clarify it: the article by mosfet seems, to me, to be saying "We've resolved these technical issues, and here's how" rather than "Uh oh... uh... look over there!" Which is what you seem to be saying it says. That is to say, it isn't spin-control, because there's nothing to spin... they've resolved the issues, in a way that looks to me, as a programmer, to be good.
That was probably more confusing than the original AC post by that other person...
They also can't have terribly powerful computers because they're just too small.
Uh... thinking of ENIAC, I look at my calculator watch. What was that about being just too small? Oh, sure, there's evidence we may be reaching the limit of what we can do to miniaturize our processors, but every time they think they've hit a limit, somebody extends it. It would be foolish to imagine we can keep doing this forever, but equally foolish to believe you'd put a traditional IC on a nanobot. I don't think Moore's Law is going anywhere... when we reach the limit of silicon, we'll use organic computers, or quantum computers. Technology has always solved all our problems... why should we believe that will change? Everyone is always harping on how we can't allow ourselves to believe that tech will solve everything... but why not? Knowledge is power. I very much believe that we will eventually (if we don't kill ourselves off first) solve all social, economic, and environmental problems with technology. And I also believe that those solutions will probably arrive much sooner than we can imagine, since the progress of technology is exponentially accelerating.
Or what about "synthesizing food to stop world hunger"? The major cause of famines is not lack of FOOD, but lack of MONEY.
WRONG! We could feed more people if money weren't an issue, but there is not enough food on the planet to feed the rapidly increasing population. There just isn't. Well... ok, there might be right now. But ten years from now, when the world population is well above 10billion, there simply won't be enough food to feed everyone, even if we shared it equally. There isn't enough arable land to grow it all, especially since increasing population causes more habitats and farm land to be bulldozed for housing. Hydroponics might help, but can only go so far. It will reach a point where the nanomachines are more efficient than the plants, since the plants will be out of room. The other option is forced colonization of space... lotsa room out there. 'Course, nanobots could make that much more feasible too.