Well, if you're going by that logic, then just about everything is a lost opportunity. Why are you playing sports instead of buying company X's video game!? Why did you buy my competitor's video game? You should have bought mine! Why did you just download that free game instead of buying mine? Why didn't you give me all of your money?
But that actually punishes every other publisher, including indie games, since you're getting your entertainment fix from your pirated game and don't buy some other game instead.
Damn. I'll think about that next time I download a game that is actually free. I could've given money to other game developers! What a little thief I am!
Looks to me like he's saying that interpretations can be wrong.
So, while the supreme court can claim that something is constitutional, that doesn't mean that it is. Their decision is simply the one that will be followed and obeyed, but that doesn't mean they're right.
Know how I can tell you don't sell software for a living?
Considering the fact that all you have is my opinion on this specific issue (not wanting to ban something because it might be abused in what I see as a very minor way), no. I have no idea how you could know such a thing.
Just because I have a different opinion than you on this issue doesn't mean that I don't make software for a living.
you have no entitlement to someone else's work for free you know.
You have no inherent (that I know of) entitlement to anything. What you're speaking of is laws that are currently in effect. Those can change.
Also, I never even mentioned anything about entitlements in that comment. As an analogy, I was saying that we shouldn't ban cars just because some people use them to commit crimes. Only, in this case, I think the 'crime' (if it counts as one in your country) is very, very minor compared to most others (if you believe it is harmful, that is).
Nice guilt by association (saying that I am in group X because the argument I made looks like something they would make), though.
Pretty much every country in history has been better than NK.
Is that meant to be a statement of a fact, or a statement of an opinion? If the former, then what is the name of the deity that told you that? What makes their/your opinion more 'important' or 'correct' than everyone else's such that they/you can be 'correct' about a subjective matter?
What makes slavery objectively wrong? Did the magical moral fairy tell you that? How do you know it's objectively wrong? Do you have evidence of that?
Do you not realize that homebrew is a way to play pirated software?
And? It could be abused, but I don't believe it should be banned (I wouldn't believe it should anyway). Someone may or may not be losing potential profit? So? Not enough of a reason to me to remove a feature (or something such as that).
I think the real question is: what if allowing homebrewing allows someone to pirate something!? Someone, somewhere might or might not lose potential profit! The horror! It's the apocalypse!
Not always. Some of them may even try to retaliate in other ways.
They're the assholes with the kids at restaurants screaming their heads off or running around stores like decapitated chickens and throwing seizure-like tantrums on the cereal aisle.
I'm sure they would do that if you hit them, too (perhaps not all of them). Because I've seen it happen. They just screamed even more. But that's just a generalization, anyway.
In any case, hitting someone isn't my preferred method of getting someone to listen to me. I wouldn't hit someone who disagreed with me, and I wouldn't hit a kid whose situation was effectively the same (the difference being that they supposedly can't understand).
you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed
You drilled into their skull and took away their ability to believe that they can do something? Wow, people sure do 'deprive' me of a lot of things, then!
Also, they still very much have that ability. They haven't lost their ability to choose where and how their creation is distributed. It's just that the pirates are doing it, too.
morally unjustifiable
Subjective.
In any case, your assumptions and generalizations completely obliterated the opposition. That was truly the end of the pirates. You're completely right and they're completely wrong.
The entire reason people SPEND money to make art is so that there is a return on that investment.
Not always. Perhaps most of the time, but not always.
you are hurting the global economy
Much in the same way someone who doesn't buy something 'hurts' the global economy. Really, it's just gain that could've been had if money was spent (assuming the money was there to spend in the first place).
and forcing other people to pay extra so that you can enjoy art without paying anything.
That isn't your decision. You aren't "forcing" them to do anything.
you are actually making art WORSE for the people who actually DO pay the extra to cover your freeloading
No, that is the artists. They don't receive your potential gain, so they (some/most of them) don't try as hard (perhaps because they can't afford to). You're not the one making the art to begin with, so you can't make the art worse.
makes you an asshole.
Subjective. I suggest stating opinions as opinions.
And a criminal.
That depends on where you live. Not all countries have the same laws, you know. So, no, they aren't necessarily "criminals."
but I think that deep down, no matter what politics a person they follow, they are socially conservative and desire security and are fearful of change of any sort.
Someone else created it. What gives you the right to decide that you can just take a copy?
What gives you the right to do anything at all? The magical rights fairy? The law? If it's the latter, that can be changed.
At some people in the future it will be possible to take something that someone else spent billions of dollars creating and clone it.
That sounds like amazing technology. It's such a shame that it will probably be held back by people searching only for profit. It's not necessarily their fault alone. They do live in this capitalistic society with everyone else.
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What an individual wants would be irrelevant. The virus doesn't care.
As I said: "Sounds good." Even if I ended up dying, I'd still like to see it for myself.
Also, it helps to realize that world does not owe you free shit.
I've seen few "pirates" that think that it does. But that's subjective, anyway.
That said, what about sites that are perfectly legal being blocked?
it could decimate human population on earth.
Sounds good.
There is no reason that you, or I
According to you, anyway.
Note that it's not a free game, you're just pirating it.
I know that. But using the logic above, I seem to be able to make a victim out of anyone. No action is without victims, it seems.
I don't see any victims in this scenario.
Well, if you're going by that logic, then just about everything is a lost opportunity. Why are you playing sports instead of buying company X's video game!? Why did you buy my competitor's video game? You should have bought mine! Why did you just download that free game instead of buying mine? Why didn't you give me all of your money?
I wouldn't say there's a victim here.
But that actually punishes every other publisher, including indie games, since you're getting your entertainment fix from your pirated game and don't buy some other game instead.
Damn. I'll think about that next time I download a game that is actually free. I could've given money to other game developers! What a little thief I am!
(in this case, 10% or more) on sales.
How can they possibly know that?
Looks to me like he's saying that interpretations can be wrong.
So, while the supreme court can claim that something is constitutional, that doesn't mean that it is. Their decision is simply the one that will be followed and obeyed, but that doesn't mean they're right.
Know how I can tell you don't sell software for a living?
Considering the fact that all you have is my opinion on this specific issue (not wanting to ban something because it might be abused in what I see as a very minor way), no. I have no idea how you could know such a thing.
Just because I have a different opinion than you on this issue doesn't mean that I don't make software for a living.
you have no entitlement to someone else's work for free you know.
You have no inherent (that I know of) entitlement to anything. What you're speaking of is laws that are currently in effect. Those can change.
Also, I never even mentioned anything about entitlements in that comment. As an analogy, I was saying that we shouldn't ban cars just because some people use them to commit crimes. Only, in this case, I think the 'crime' (if it counts as one in your country) is very, very minor compared to most others (if you believe it is harmful, that is).
Nice guilt by association (saying that I am in group X because the argument I made looks like something they would make), though.
Pretty much every country in history has been better than NK.
Is that meant to be a statement of a fact, or a statement of an opinion? If the former, then what is the name of the deity that told you that? What makes their/your opinion more 'important' or 'correct' than everyone else's such that they/you can be 'correct' about a subjective matter?
What makes slavery objectively wrong? Did the magical moral fairy tell you that? How do you know it's objectively wrong? Do you have evidence of that?
Do you not realize that homebrew is a way to play pirated software?
And? It could be abused, but I don't believe it should be banned (I wouldn't believe it should anyway). Someone may or may not be losing potential profit? So? Not enough of a reason to me to remove a feature (or something such as that).
I think the real question is: what if allowing homebrewing allows someone to pirate something!? Someone, somewhere might or might not lose potential profit! The horror! It's the apocalypse!
I doubt you could verify something like that.
But even if you could, it's a complete waste of time. "The children" don't need to be protected from every little thing.
Why does your pre-teen daughter have an e-mail account to begin with?
I don't see why not.
"Free" doesn't mean "exempt from criticism." That said, they're also free to not listen to you.
And I think this is really the fault of idiotic "think of the children" laws.
What? That's insane. You can't lie about your age on the internet!
Spoiler alert: they're going to blame liberals, and immigrants, and Muslims, and gays.
And conservatives, libertarians, and probably every other group in existence (because stupidity is likely everywhere and a part of every group).
Giving money to people is indeed speech. That applies to punching people in the face, too.
Everything else is just opinion
Even the fact that it's "good" software!
but they certainly do instinctively understand
Not always. Some of them may even try to retaliate in other ways.
They're the assholes with the kids at restaurants screaming their heads off or running around stores like decapitated chickens and throwing seizure-like tantrums on the cereal aisle.
I'm sure they would do that if you hit them, too (perhaps not all of them). Because I've seen it happen. They just screamed even more. But that's just a generalization, anyway.
In any case, hitting someone isn't my preferred method of getting someone to listen to me. I wouldn't hit someone who disagreed with me, and I wouldn't hit a kid whose situation was effectively the same (the difference being that they supposedly can't understand).
No it isn't morally ok
Subjective.
you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed
You drilled into their skull and took away their ability to believe that they can do something? Wow, people sure do 'deprive' me of a lot of things, then!
Also, they still very much have that ability. They haven't lost their ability to choose where and how their creation is distributed. It's just that the pirates are doing it, too.
morally unjustifiable
Subjective.
In any case, your assumptions and generalizations completely obliterated the opposition. That was truly the end of the pirates. You're completely right and they're completely wrong.
The entire reason people SPEND money to make art is so that there is a return on that investment.
Not always. Perhaps most of the time, but not always.
you are hurting the global economy
Much in the same way someone who doesn't buy something 'hurts' the global economy. Really, it's just gain that could've been had if money was spent (assuming the money was there to spend in the first place).
and forcing other people to pay extra so that you can enjoy art without paying anything.
That isn't your decision. You aren't "forcing" them to do anything.
you are actually making art WORSE for the people who actually DO pay the extra to cover your freeloading
No, that is the artists. They don't receive your potential gain, so they (some/most of them) don't try as hard (perhaps because they can't afford to). You're not the one making the art to begin with, so you can't make the art worse.
makes you an asshole.
Subjective. I suggest stating opinions as opinions.
And a criminal.
That depends on where you live. Not all countries have the same laws, you know. So, no, they aren't necessarily "criminals."
but I think that deep down, no matter what politics a person they follow, they are socially conservative and desire security and are fearful of change of any sort.
What makes you think that?
Someone else created it. What gives you the right to decide that you can just take a copy?
What gives you the right to do anything at all? The magical rights fairy? The law? If it's the latter, that can be changed.
At some people in the future it will be possible to take something that someone else spent billions of dollars creating and clone it.
That sounds like amazing technology. It's such a shame that it will probably be held back by people searching only for profit. It's not necessarily their fault alone. They do live in this capitalistic society with everyone else.
is not a good thing to do
Subjective.