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Coders Develop Ways To Defeat SOPA Censorship
Hugh Pickens writes "The Atlantic reports that one developer who doesn't have much faith in Congress making the right decision on anti-piracy legislation has already built a workaround for the impending censorship measures being considered, and called it DeSOPA. Since SOPA would block specific domain names (e.g. www.thepiratebay.com) of allegedly infringing sites, T Rizk's Firefox add-on allows you to revert to the bare internet protocol (IP) address (e.g. 194.71.107.15) which takes you to the same place. 'It could be that a few members of Congress are just not tech savvy and don't understand that it is technically not going to work, at all,' says T Rizk. 'So here's some proof that I hope will help them err on the side of reason and vote SOPA down.' Another group called 'MAFIAAFire' decided to respond when Homeland Security's ICE unit started seizing domain names, by coding a browser add-on to redirect the affected websites to their new domains. More than 200,000 people have already installed the add-on. ICE wasn't happy, and asked Mozilla to pull the add-on from their site. Mozilla denied the request, arguing that this type of censorship may threaten the open Internet."
So it's like MafiaaFire/FireIce for SOPA, just like a little custom HOSTS file in the form of a browser addon.
Technically not brilliant but a good political move, to demonstrate the futility of this legislation.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
If SOPA passes, this might actually make me switch back to Firefox from Chrome. Of course, I'd have to download the plugin before it got stomped by a SOPA claim.
What's to stop me from entering the IP address without the add-on?
My sources tell me that evildoers possess advanced ICMP technology that would allow a pirate to verify whether or not a forbidden server is active, among other criminal surveillance, from anywhere in the Homeland!
Honestly, there really is no way to stop people from getting around every roadblock you put down. Walls can only stretch so far. The only way to prevent them from doing what they want is to either destroy the internet or kill everyone in the country. The first could even be worked around with possibly WiFi meshes or usb drop locations.
If the government decides to do the second, well, can't exactly get around that when you're dead.
If meddling with DNS doesn't work, network operators will simply be forced to block at the IP level, e.g. by withdrawing the BGP routes to the censored sites. Good luck circumventing this kind of blocking (still possible with proxies, and maybe distributed anonymous p2p proxies, but a nuisance anyway).
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
Or maybe now we'll see the race to buy "easy" IP addresses. "Visit us at 12.34.56.78".
Now, thinking again, that could actually halt the long-awaited migration to IPv6. Who'd like to see an ad like "find our products at http://200147023aef0/. Please remember the square brackets or you won't reach our website. And the double colon between 470 and 23. Unless you want to fill the omitted zeroes."
Guess who will win?
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
You can't beat geeks at their own game in their own world.
Hollywood would get a lot farther trying to win the hearts and minds, and not using brute force, ineffective merthods. They come off looking like jerks, which just makes folks unsympathetic to their position, and everyone suffers.
"So here's some proof that I hope will help them err on the side of reason and vote SOPA down"
Eh... no. If the war against drugs/piracy/terrorism has taught us anything, it is that if the law makers were made to understand that it won't work, they would just try more draconian measures.
By all means, petition them in terms of freedom of speech, cost or restricting innovation, arguing that "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through" will simply make them tighten their grip further.
Aren't dozens of domains often hosted on single IPs?
"'It could be that a few members of Congress are just not tech savvy and don't understand that it is technically not going to work, at all"
Most congress critters don't have even a clue as to how the internet in general works. Honestly the lack of education with these idiots is staggering.
Congress today is a large group of poorly educated, self serving, sociopath children.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Just point your DNS to 8.8.8.8
Bot Assisted Blogging
Except it doesn't WORK AS WELL AS HOSTS FILES, because it's only for FireFox!
* Because HOSTS files work across all webbrowsers, email programs, e.g./i.e.-> ANY WEBBROUND PROGRAM, etc./et al
APK
P.S.=> I suppose I've been "beating SOPA" for decades now then (since 1997 here I've been a 'serious' user of custom HOSTS files)...
... apk
Isn't it ironic the fact that 'SOPA' in greek means 'be silent'?
I suspected someone would do this since they were basing blocking on domain. essentially SOPA will kill DNS.
people will begin passing raw addresses/ports to each other and you will end up with another dark-net, one where there are no domain names or to access it you have to get a hold of a domain file for a plug in.
soon there will be sites dedicated to the pirate DNS then there will be assholes who distribute bad DNS files leading to pages with drive by attacks. peges will be fighting over their old domain names since there will be no registrar for this dark net.
this security issue will likely push the P2P DNS efforts already in place.
we in the rest of the world could stop using american resources on the internet.
and yes, that includes me no to visit slashdot.org anymore.
Back to the good old hosts file.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
Maybe we will create cron-jobs again to download the newest hosts file from some trusted source.
http://www.mueller-public.de - My site http://www.anr-institute.com/ - Advanced Natural Research Institute
This legislation, combined with the recent domain seizures by ICS, highlights a weakness in the current DNS system: it's far too centralized and way too subject to censorship by governments. Rather than individual, browser-based workarounds, we need a completely new DNS system that is based on some form of distributed computing and lacks a central point of failure. Given the presence of existing protocols like BitTorrent, Tor, and Bitcoin, this should be possible to do.
And in China, Saudi Arabia, etc, when you want unfiltered Internet, there is no way to get it... Riiiight.
Sorry mate, NOTHING in the world is gonna stop somebody who knows there is free porn and he can get it. ^^
The church couldn't stop wild sex after centuries of censorship, inquisitions, torture, terror, the whole dark ages and every horrible thing you can imagine.
The government still have a long way to go to reach that level of evilness.
PROTIP (from someone who actually has friends in such countries): There are companies that specifically cater to victims of censorship, and offer $5/month full-speed (faster than your ISP) VPN proxies, so easy to use, your grandma could do it.
And everyone who has the money, Internet and wants it (read: everyone who wants to watch porn (read: EVERYONE)) has such a VPN. Often multiple ones. (In poor countries, they simply share one, or their Internet cafe unofficially has one.)
And they even have physical world versions of this: P.O. boxes. So you can order stuff at US shops and have it sent to that box, which then transfers it to you for cheap.
It seems unlikely this will motivate anyone to vote against SOPA. It might, however, motivate someone to brand T Rizk a terrorist and throw him in a dungeon for the rest of his life.
The man with the guns. Same as it's always been.
Wouldn't this break sites hosted on a shared IP address with multiple domain names?
See subject-line above, because it's VERY IMPORTANT if you use one...
APK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
"HOSTS file exists only on Windows machines, so if you're on Mac or Linux, you're better using the addon." - by ZeRu (1486391) on Wednesday December 21, @09:10AM (#38447802)
HOSTS files exist on ANY OS that uses a BSD derived IP stack (even ANDROID bearing smartphones for example)... & you're NOT "better off" using the addon for many reasons!
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1.) Better Anonymity: HOSTS files can circumvent DNSBL (DNS block lists) &/or DNS request logs (like this FF addon can) but, HOSTS work for ANY WEBBOUND APP THERE IS (not just browsers, but email & other webbound apps).
2.) For more speed online (blocking adbanners + hardcoding hosts-domain names to IP addresses)
3.) Better security (blocking out malicious sites/servers online that bear various forms of threats like maliciously scripted adbanners, malware, malicious scripts etc./et al)...
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Per the URL @ the top of my posting? You can see there how many OS' have HOSTS files... i.e.-> ANY that are using BSD derived IP stacks (most all in fact nowadays).
* There you go, hope that helps & that you LEARNED A NEW THING or two..
APK
P.S.=> It's not a wasted day if you do the latter... apk
Speaking about DNS blocking and DNS names. How large would a full dump of the whole DNS system actually be? From the numbers I could gather it be in the low GB range for all the top level domains and easily fit on a DVD, i.e. a rather trivial size in the days of movie streaming. How much bigger would it get by including all the subdomains (I assume you'd need a spider to actually gather those)? How big would daily updates be? In essence would it be possible to just completely bypass the classic DNS and move to one big hosts file on the local computer? Also is it possible to actually publicly download the TLD zone file? Verisign seems to offer it, but not publicly.
Yeah I've done (read: do) a fair bit of downloading. TV show mostly, a movie here and there, and the occasional music album (but modern music is pretty much crap these days, but that's another discussion). I stopped using torrents a few months ago, probably during one of the many tracker issues that TPB experiences every once in a while. I got a usenet account, $30 bucks for unlimited transfer, downloads run at line speed (saturating a 50mbit downlink with one download? not with a torrent), AND since I'm using an ISP with a monthly cap, the fact that I never need to seed anything back is a big plus (at least I don't feel guilty anymore when I stop the download as soon as my copy is complete). I love it, I'll never go back.
What strikes me odd is that everyone kind of ignores usenet down-loaders. I guess this is because the laws are worded such that the uploaders (the ones making the content available) are the ones seen to be doing wrong. Is that right? I don't really know.
But why? I mean, sure, there are more people using torrents because they're free. But think of it this way: content makers are always bitching about lost revenue from piracy. If you're trying to torrent it for free, its probably not something you wanted bad enough to pay for anyway. Sounds like a wash to me. But take someone like me, who shut off his Netflix account because my usenet account let me download my entire queue in an afternoon. I'm spending money to do that, $30 a month goes to Giganews instead of netflix or hulu or whoever, who would then fork over a cut to the content makers.
If it were my business, I'd be less worried about people getting it for free: they aren't going to buy it from me anyway. What I WOULD worry about is people paying someone else for my content.
This is asymmetrical warfare in cyberspace, except all the resources of congress don't count for squat here. Even a small group of motivated and skilled hackers can defeat anything congress can throw at them because congress has no conception of how technology works. Even the contractors they hire are not skilled (ever see a government IT project?). FBI? Please, would a skilled programmer work on cool stuff in the free market for more than six figures or for $50K and more bureaucracy and drudgery than you can shake a stick at at the FBI? Let's stop propagating the "government is omnipotent" meme.
Incidentally the Berlin Wall didn't fall for the reason you stated. I was there then. It fell because Hungary and Czechoslovakia stopped closing their borders to Austria and thousands of East Germans decided to "vacation" there. They crossed over, caught a bus north and hey presto were in the west. East Germany couldn't stop them because of warsaw pact treaties and because russia under gorbachev wouldn't change them. So the government of erich honneker destabilized, was replaced with egon krenz, who in a bid to stop the whole country emptying out opened the wall so easterners could visit and come back. That is why it fell.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
They're finally understanding the importance of domains.... in the 1990's.
Guess what? Google is a better DNS system than DNS. If a DNS entry is blocked, how hard is it to type into google, "" or "where is ". And if you censor Google (and they're certainly trying), then you move to a different search engine not bound by US law.
This is why squatting on domains is pointless -- just make up a domain name, and work on SEO. Domains are of little importance now a days...
These cowboys better be careful when messing with ICE, it could be black.
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
My school's blocking system growing up had this exact same weakness.
Mozilla denied the request, arguing that this type of censorship may threaten the open Internet.
With all the BS that's coming out of Mozilla these days, glad to see they still can do some things right.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
If it WORKS? It's brilliant: & HOSTS files work for MORE THAN JUST "ANONYMITY" PURPOSES!
Goddamn it, AHairyPfeetK, I knew the mere mention of HOSTS in all caps would have you come running. And it's only 10 o'clock.
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Oakgrove
P.S.=> Fun times ahead...
... oakgrove
So pick four notes in the scale of mid C and you have 8^4 or about 4,000 to look after. Even if you have a change of three note lengths, that makes it 24^4 or about 350,000.
IPv4 uses in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa is for IPv6.
* Good luck finding out the answer to your question!
APK
P.S.=> HOWEVER: The answer's THERE, in those 2 TLD's (Top Level Domains (I hate acronyms - the world today's TOO full of them, pkzipped english))...
... apk
It's not brilliant period.
Now go back under your rock you fool.
Are you on fucking drugs?
A kitten dies every time you post this.
At the current rate, the entire domestic cat species will be extinct by the end of the year.
Servers will cry if you access them via IP when they are doing name-based virtual hosts (eg pretty much anything that isn't dedicated to one domain)
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
The other day I decided to send a note to my senator urging him not to pass SOPA.
Here's the response I got. It made me sad.
Dear Joshua,
Thank you for contacting me regarding S. 968, the Protect IP Act.
Intellectual property industries employ more than 19 million people, making it an integral part of our economy. Rogue websites dedicated to the sale and distribution of counterfeit goods and pirated content are a direct threat to these jobs and to entrepreneurs growing and building legitimate businesses online.
Businesses have lost $135 billion in revenue annually as a result of these rogue sites. Customers have also been harmed by these sites; for example, online pharmacies that don't adhere to U.S. regulations have been reported to cause a rapid increase in prescription drug abuse.
I am a cosponsor of the Protect IP Act which would cut off foreign websites dedicated to counterfeiting and piracy that steal American jobs, hurt the economy, and harm customers. It would allow the Justice Department to file a civil action against those who have registered or own a domain name linked to an infringing website. The bill does not allow the Justice Department to target domain names registered by a U.S. entity.
Innovation is a cornerstone of our nation's economic growth. Proper intellectual property protections and incentives ensure that inventors develop products that benefit consumers. Without such incentives for innovators, we risk falling behind places like China and India.
Again, thank you for contacting me. I look forward to continuing our conversation on Facebook (www.facebook.com/SenatorBlunt) and Twitter (www.twitter.com/RoyBlunt) about the important issues facing Missouri and the country. I also encourage you to visit my website (blunt.senate.gov) to learn more about where I stand on the issues and sign-up for my e-newsletter.
Sincere regards,
Roy Blunt United States Senator
First off, No.. the people in the Gov are not stupid. I work with plenty of genius level gov guys, and there's no doubt that they could come up with some deep and strong protection measures. Honestly, there's probably a warehouse full of such solutions ready to be dusted off (for the right price).
This isn't about that at all, in my opinion. I think it's a "minimum level" legislation, which shows that we "care about the issues' but not enough to encourage or offend everyone else on the planet to the point of retribution. Or at least we hope so.
I could come up with a dozen work-arounds in a week. In the end - as long as we can exchange packets - there's no stopping the exchange of information. That's the whole *point* of the internet, after all.
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
Great idea. Lets continue to give civil servants raises that are lower than the inflation rate until they can't afford to live in their homes anymore and mortgages start being foreclosed upon. Then the banks that hold those debts start to lose credibility with the companies that they sell those debt securities too, then.... Oh, wait.
Govts are restricting the internet with salami tactics. In Turkey you can find several levels of censhorship. Some you can circumvent with OpenDNS, others you need proxies/vpn. Then there is the opt-in censhorship of "internet profiles" such as "family internet" or "children's internet".
Every time they up the ante techies realized they could circumvent the effects rather easily, but many many more do not have the know-how.
So the most active knowledgeable users like us develop apathy because we are not really affected, therefore we stay passive, while for the vast majority of users the internet gets more and more restricted. Let's not fall for this complicity strategy.
https://dalgamotor.wordpress.com/ - Elektronik beyinlere ozgurluk asisi (Turkish)
The BIG problem with this addon's below next:
"No, not much different than using hosts" - by Gaygirlie (1657131) on Wednesday December 21, @09:56AM (#38448414) Homepage
To THAT? I am going to quote an OLD adage:
"IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY"
(Those making this addon are definitely imitating a HOSTS file's function IN PART ONLY (doesn't help for security or speed the way HOSTS do though)).
They're imitating it, but ONLY PART OF how it works & what it can do for you!
(Except in an INFERIOR MANNER that's only good for 1 browser, FF, & not others + external to webbrowser email programs or ANY APP THAT GOES WEBBOUND, period!).
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"except it automatically gets you the correct IP address for the site you're trying to access whereas with hosts file you have to get it manually and enter it there, first." - by Gaygirlie (1657131) on Wednesday December 21, @09:56AM (#38448414) Homepage
Big deal: Takes only a second to do a PING of a website you wish to "hardcode" into your HOSTS file for the correct NON-BLOCKING IP-Address-To-HOST/DOMAIN name.
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"Sounds a lot handier that way, but then again, that totally ruins your trolling argument :/" - by Gaygirlie (1657131) on Wednesday December 21, @09:56AM (#38448414) Homepage
After your "FAILS" above? I strongly conclude that you LACK THE INTELLIGENCE to do any more than do an illogical adhominem attack that you just issued...
To no avail: READ THE ABOVE again, & "weep"...
APKThe BIG problem with this addon's below next:
But can the HOSTS file see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
How will you route your money around the credit card processors that have been ordered not to accept payments for the sites you are visiting?
Quit projecting.
First, why assume they care if it works? They are political whores out to get paid by their corporate media lobbyist Johns. If this legislation is what the Johns want it is what gets them paid. It isn't their problem if it doesn't work. Second.. it probably will work. You just aren't quite understanding the goal. No, it won't block everyone from downloading pirated stuff. It will however make it less 'marketable'. What I mean is the non-geeks won't bother. Remember the congressman twittering that he is bored with the technical explanantions of why SOPA is bad? Unfortunately, that has more in common with the general population than your average tech savy geek. If the vast majority of non-geeks stop pirating (something I suspect is happening anyway due to the current popularity of iTunes and Amazon) then either the remaining pirates would be insignificant and could be ignored or... being a smaller group it would be easier to go after the individuals. In particular, being the geeks they would be the ones writing the p2p apps that they want to shut down. Of course, we know that if the music or movie industries actually ARE suffering it's because their product is not a necessity and the economy sucks right now, their products have been sucking more and more over time and they have failed to adapt to a changing world. That isn't going to stop them from blaming the pirates and going after them first.
HOSTS files work for:
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1.) "Better Anonymity" (for this circumvention of DNSBL's or even DNS request logs) - which is what this browser addon does...
2.) For more speed online for websurfing (blocking adbanners + hardcoding hosts-domain names to IP addresses)
3.) For better security (blocking out malicious sites/servers online that bear various forms of threats like maliciously scripted adbanners, malware, malicious scripts etc./et al)...
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* QUESTION: Does this browser addon do the last 2 parts (2 & 3) from my list above for an end user?
(I'll be waiting for YOUR answer...)
APK
P.S.=> Not only that, but this browser addon's LIMITED TO 1 BROWSER FAMILY, FireFox/Mozilla... HOSTS are not, & work for ALL OF THE ABOVE 1-3, where this addon doesn't as well mind you again, ACROSS ANY WEBBOUND PROGRAM THERE IS!
You're a "no trick pony" vs. facts & logic noted above... period!
... apk
oakgrove why do you stalk hairyfeet and apk all over slashdot like a mentally disturbed stalker? They are not the same person you know!
So how about we just start reporting them and stealing their domains?
Dear Legislators:
I know that you're trying to delete certain web sites from the Internet's "DNS" system, which is the system that contains the names of all the web sites. You might even be able to accomplish this with your SOPA law.
But you should also know the following: Every computer allows another list of web sites to be stored locally on the computer -- it's called the "hosts" file. Every computer uses both the DNS system AND its own "hosts" file to find web sites. If you delete web sites from the DNS system, many people will start using their "hosts" file to get access to the web sites that are no longer in the DNS system.
The "hosts" file makes individual computers completely self-reliant in their ability to find web sites. In fact, you can completely shut down the DNS system, and -- although it would be hard and confusing at first -- eventually everybody would be able to switch over to using their "hosts" file to get access to their web sites. And in the longer-term future, the Internet would then develop a new decentralized system to replace DNS, and, to avoid future shutdowns, this new system would not be accessible to government control -- much like the way peer-to-peer file sharing is not accessible to government control.
This is the way the Internet always works -- if you damage one of its systems (for example DNS), then the Internet will re-configure itself to route around that damage. I guarantee you that any idea that you have for censoring the Internet will cause the Internet to change in a way that works around your attempted censorship. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can begin to participate in constructive ways to improve the Internet.
I can just about see the headline Fox News would use: "Hackers Develop Ways TO Defeat SOPA Legislation"
No sig for you! Come back one year!
I can just about see the headline Fox News would use regarding this story: Hackers Develop Ways To Defeat SOPA Legislation"
oakgrove why do you stalk hairyfeet and apk all over slashdot like a mentally disturbed stalker? They are not the same person you know!
And you have this on good authority? I'd bet dollars to donuts that apk and hairyfeet are one and the same. They both descend into lengthy incoherent off-topic rants when you hit one of their "hot buttons". They both randomly capitalize and bold words. They both employ very similar grammatical and lexical patterns. I would be very surprised if the two accounts aren't being run by the same person.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
Perhaps another good solution would be to split the content from the presentation: content posted by users should be uploaded in site A that does not have a DNS entry, and the presentation should come from another site B that has a DNS entry.
The content site would not be block-able, in this way, since it would not have a DNS entry.
The presentation site would be block-able, but if someone removes it from DNS, a new presentation site would become live very shortly, by grabbing a new domain name, and using the content site.
Do you have that on good authority? No. I've seen hairyfeet and apk go at one another like rabid dogs - not getting along with one another in the past over hosts files versus dns servers. You're just trying to play amateur sleuth and failing, and stalking others in the process like some mentally disturbed maniac stalker would.
I haven't had time to try this, but there's no reason not to include a DNS host in the hostname, to use as a resolver. An example to explain, imagine "oppressed-group.org" is blocked, but "freeworld.net" hosts a DNS with a list of blocked domain names (just some, doesn't have to be the entire DNS database), you could specify "oppressed-group.org(freeworld.net)" (or give the IP address of the DNS server). It could be chained with as many additional DNS servers as it takes (as in "host(dns2)(dns1)").
In the end, the servers see everything normally, the root DNS and other servers are unchanged, the only change is in the client code that does the lookup.
Alternative syntax could go in the other direction, using "/" or "!" (bring back bang paths!), looking like "freeworld.net!oppressed-group.org".
... encryption.
Imagine a BitTorrent DHT based DNS system. Anybody can add any record they want. There is a convenience layer where human readable DNS names work, but its insecure because anybody can add any record they want.
Real Business(TM) happens when PGP fingerprints or full public keys are used to retrieve the associated records. Each of those records would, of course, be signed with the key in question. Banks and Real Businesses(TM) would have QR code business cards and whatnot with the fingerprints, and people would be likely use bookmarks and home pages they way they were supposed to.
Finally, the smart money would be to actually use the key to encrypt the data/requests flowing towards the host, and have the first (or every) request contain the key the user wants to have used for the encrypted response(s).
Block or deep-packet-inspect that...
It is completely workable, the technology exists, it is "more secure" but, sadly, "more phisable" at the plain-text DNS names level.
Of course, DNS should have never been used as a warrant of identity anyway, it was designed as a phone book and phone numbers change hands, so the first-tier weakness is far exceeded by the value of the rest of the system.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
And you have this on good authority?
Proper sentences do not begin with "and" or any conjunctions.
Nah I'm familiar with both and would bet money they aren't same person. Very different writing styles and personality traits.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Proper sentences do not begin with "and" or any conjunctions.
Sure they do.
I've seen hairyfeet and apk go at one another like rabid dogs - not getting along with one another in the past over hosts files versus dns servers.
Easily explainable. Multiple personality disorder, paranoid schizophrenia, teh lulz. Take your pick.
You're just trying to play amateur sleuth and failing, and stalking others in the process like some mentally disturbed maniac stalker would.
Wow, calm your tits, dude. It's just a message board not the UN committee on all things interweb.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
Every time Governments (globally & locally) make a BigBiz Brother law to govern how people use technology, they with BigBiz Brother writing the law always royally fyckup and create another zombie-law.
I wish it would happen with all the laws BigBiz Brother author, but that would put poor old BigBiz Brother out of business in any "Open" capitalist market. BigBiz Brother needs the law to (metaphorically) lash every penny out of their customer-hostages and toss citizens in jail or the grave.
Zombie-laws would destroy the BigBiz Brother economy, they what would we have? Zombie-laws tell BigBiz Brother to produce value or die. BigBiz Brother laws (not zombie-laws) in medicine, financials, agriculture, services, communications keep the USA BigBiz Brother economy healthy and functional.
Now don't you want to end zombie-laws, and protect BigBiz Brother?
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
Ur familiar w apk n hairyfeet cuz u stalk n troll 'em both like a psycho.
Your "source" isn't anyone expert/authoritative on the subject (meaning a prof. of English etc). I suppose you also consider "ebonics" proper english also, right? Not, haha.
"The addon does it in far less time." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @01:20PM (#38451102)
Per my subject-line: HOSTS can do the same easily, and they do FAR MORE, and, yes, despite your objections? HOSTS can do what this addon does, & better/more efficiently (per below), & MORE!
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1.) Blocking out adbanners for better speed/bandwidth + security - this addon can't DO that!
2.) For security, hosts also can blockout maliciously scripted adbanner servers + known malicious sites/servers/hosts-domains online - again, this addons can't DO that!
3.) This addon is LIMITED TO FIREFOX/MOZILLA ONLY, where HOSTS files are not! - once more: This is a limitation of this addon!
4.) Hosts files also operate on a FAR more efficient level than this addon does in usermode: That of the IP stack itself, a PnP kernelmode subsystem in ring 0/rpl 0, since hosts files are a filter for it, or a "little blackbook" lookup system for them!
(For speed & security, HOSTS files, like this addon CAN do, avoid DNS request logs, DNSBL's, & DNS roundtrip call lag too, vs. far faster access from HDD or SSD (better/faster seek), &/or from cache (local kernelmode diskcache subsystem, or Windows' local DNS clientside cache service (doesn't work well w/ larger HOSTS files, so turn it off in this case saving RAM, CPU cycles, & other forms of I/O it entails, as well as greater electrical usage too in running a service one doesn't REALLY need!)))
APK
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"Yes, you are suggesting that. Because you are Alexander Peter Kowalski, the incompetent and unskilled fraud." -
Well, I just "sent you to school" & disproved your b.s. rather easily, proving hosts CAN do what this addon does, for more programs than just FF too, & far more this addon cannot do... period!
(Some "fraud" I am, eh? Now, the day you can show me you've done more, earlier, & BETTER than I have in the arena of computer sciences?? That's the day you can even BEGIN to speak to me that way... lol, & I am fairly certain I did those things while you were STILL IN DIAPERS I'd wager!)
This addon, point-blank, just can't do those things, period - HOSTS files, can...
(I.E.-. HOSTS files're more "versatile" & ubiquitous extending to every webbound app there is, & you already own one, they're free too... bonus!)
... apk
GameBoy, you should take back your apology.. people like Blue Stone are common where they make-believe that just 'saying' something is suppose to make everyone believe it, and act on their empty statements.
Two reports on how CleanFeed is NOT working (because of the work-around created by Newzbin-2 new client apt, which is more thorough than the browser plugin, for this particular web interaction (ie. news-feeds)).
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/11/3/bts-newzbin-block-circumvented/
and
https://torrentfreak.com/newzbin2-release-encrypted-client-to-defeat-website-blocking-110914/
The next link explains about proxies in general and transparent ones as well..
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Proxy_server#Transparent_proxy
and a discussion on the legal decision
http://www.francisdavey.co.uk/2011/10/newzbin2-order.html
As far as those with only 2 brain cells, fighting over who is boss, who call themselves 'Authorities', banning ip addresses, even temporarily... well.. they would have an impossible time doing that with ip6, with the almost infinite amount of numbers, where someone could hide from these kooks.
Good ALWAYS wins out in the end.
-- I will gladly lose all of life's battles.. if thats what it takes, to win the war...
http://www.paultow.com/2009/06/10/how-to-block-ads-with-a-router/
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
I don't have to be a baker to know the bread is stale, guy(s).
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
ALSO your\ HOST FILE can't check EMAIL or web page or ANYTHING....is stupid file.
I WIN with best.
I disagree - HairyFeet's posts are normally relatively well written. You can spot APK's posts just by the layout. I'd bet money that they're not the same person.
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
Shut the fuck up, Pete.
The addon does less than HOSTS do and hosts can do what it does too - period!
Fact: You can't escape HOSTS are more versatile and operate across more than just Mozilla browsers...
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"The addon takes less time and effort on the user's part to do the same thing that mucking about with ping and editing your hosts file does." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @02:18PM (#38451730)
LMAO - but, HOSTS can do what it does, EASILY... AND FAR MORE!
(For added speed, security, & even "anonymity" to a degree vs. DNSBL's & DNS request logs)...
This addon, LIMITED TO MOZILLA ONLY? Can't do what HOSTS can do... not nearly as much!
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"You didn't disprove that, you just tried changing the subject." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @02:18PM (#38451730)
I don't have to disprove anything: HOSTS do what this limited to 1 browser family alone does, & far more efficiently @ the IP stack level no less... plus a LOT more for added speed, security, & yes, anonymity to a degree (vs. DNSBL & DNS request logs).
* It's YOU that can't disprove the points I made on how much more versatile, ubiquitous, efficient in operations, and capable HOSTS files are vs. this limited to 1 browser family only addon... period!
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"Alexander Peter Kowalski is a fraud and a technical incompetent." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @02:18PM (#38451730)
Once more - for a "fraud & incompetent", I've shown HOSTS do what this LIMITED TO 1 BROWSER FAMILY ONLY does, and far more, for better speed, security & anonymity to an extent online.
(You've just been schooled by myself, so what does THAT make YOU? LOL..."inquiring minds want to know" & the day you can show us you've done MORE, EARLIER, & BETTER than I have in Comp. Sci. related areas? Is the day you can speak to me thus, MAYBE (but, I know you haven't, Mr. "ne'er-do-well" ac trolll))
APK
P.S.=> Ah, you KNOW I just GOTTA say it, as-is-per-my-usual style vs. AC trolls like yourself & other "naysayers" I always "blow away" with facts:
This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'" as always... lol!
... apk
Here is the text of Mozilla's questions. Nice slap to US Dept. of Homeland Paranoia ICE:
April 19, 2011 email from Mozilla to US Department of Homeland Security SpecialAgent
To help us evaluate the Department of Homeland Security's request to take-down/remove the MAFIAAfire.com add-on from Mozilla's websites, can you please providethe following additional information:
1. Have any courts determined that MAFIAAfire.com is unlawful or illegal inany way? If so, on what basis? (Please provide any relevant rulings)
2. Have any courts determined that the seized domains related to MAFIAAfire.com are unlawful, illegal or liable for infringement in any way? (please provide relevant rulings)
3. Is Mozilla legally obligated to disable the add-on or is this request based on other reasons? If other reasons, can you please specify.
4. Has DHS, or any copyright owners involved in this matter, taken any legal action against MAFIAAfire.com or the seized domains, including DMCA requests?
5. What protections are in place for MAFIAAfire.com or the seized domain owners if eventually a court decides they were not unlawful?
6. Can you please provide copies of any briefs that accompanied the affidavit considered by the court that issued the relevant seizure orders?
7. Can you please provide a copy of the relevant seizure order upon which your request to Mozilla to take down MAFIAAfire.com is based?
8. Please identify exactly what the infringements by the owners of the domains consisted of, with reference to the substantive standards of Section 106 andto any case law establishing that the actions of the seized domain owners constituted civil or criminal copyright infringement.
9. Did any copyright owners furnish affidavits in connection with the domain seizures? Had any copyright owners served DMCA takedown notices on the seizeddomains or MAFIAAfire.com? (if so please provide us with a copy)
10. Has the Government furnished the domain owners with formal notice of the seizures, triggering the time period for a response by the owners? If so, when,and have there been any responses yet by owners?
11. Has the Government communicated its concerns directly with MAFIAAfire.com?If so, what response, if any, did MAFIAAfire.com make?
Posting anon to avoid karma whoring.
Take ur own advice. See the severe lack of intelligence in ac stalkertroll's reply: Shut down by logic he can't handle it and resorts to profanity usage and "issuing orders" that nobody will obey because he's so stupid. Illogical moronic ac stalker trolls always are this way in the end, so, "Nothing new to see here folks, move along now" (lmao).
Are you going for ironic post of the day? Or just the dumbest?
Very weak troll: Obviously a sign of ur frustration @ u being stupid and knocked out by logic and technical facts (and apk) here.
We go back to the good 'ol days of BBS's. You find (Or are given) a phone number (IP Address) of your starting BBS. From there, you meet people or find a 'links list' of other phone numbers (A link list of IP Addresses) that you add to your 'phone book' list.
Cuts out the Search Engines and Cuts out DNS. It'd be just like the good 'ol days before the Internet existed.
So what, if anything, does this actually solve? If an IP address is cut out, then they just cancel their monthly hosting somewhere and find another host elsewhere. Ad Nauseum, how long until virtual hosting companies get blacklisted en masse? Yeah, it means more work for the users by making them keep up their 'phone book' of IP addresses, but we'd essentially end up reverting to a pre-90's style of online communication (Even before AOL).
So you end up with two classes of users. The AOLers who use the Internet as presented and either aren't smart enough to know how or too apathetic to care to change how they use it and allow the government and corporations to dictate what they do online. The alternative for the first group is to go along with it, or go offline. See how Little Susie feels when she's given a choice between doing what we did before the Internet was mainstream and actually having to go outside and meet friends, or comply with th government so she can still chat with her Facebook and Twitter friends.
The other class will be everyone else who recognizes the futility and the frustration of the government attempting to regulate and control something they really have no knowledge of controlling with language, paper, and fear and goes off and does their own thing. Just like the good old days of BBSing.
Should've noted this, but I will now: PING &/or TRACERT are your pals for "reverse DNS lookups" vs. those 2 TLD's I listed (easiest methods are those, but there's website that do it online too, like this one -> http://remote.12dt.com/ )
* There: NOW you have tools to use to do it!
APK
P.S.=> HOWEVER - I truly WOULDN'T recommend doing it in a HOSTS file though locally!
(Especially in Windows, @ least with the local DNS clientside cache service operating (it doesn't play well with larger HOSTS files is why but YOU CAN OPERATE WITHOUT IT))...
The problem being, is that MAYBE you could get "every site there is" hardcoded into it (doubtful, more popup constantly or change IP addresses too), but, they change all the time (you'd need updates like mad).
E.G.-> I "hardcode in" 250 of my FAV. sites into my HOSTS files since 1997 - AND, I've had to change roughly/approximately 10% of them each year since then - this means UPDATE & CHANGE has to occur!
(Simply because sites DO "shop around" for better rates from their hosting providers mostly, sometimes they do get "kicked" too etc.)
Thus - What you're thinking - which SOUNDS like you're trying to "hardcode the internet"into a HOSTS file?
Hey - Everyone here on /. just KNOWS I love HOSTS files, but... even I think that it might not be practical, or rather, even FEASIBLY PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE, for you to do it without eating up ALL OF YOUR TIME (if you code, you might be able to do some of it but I doubt it).
I run a Python system here to populate my HOSTS files with blocking data vs. adbanners &/or known bad sites/servers/hosts-domains online - this works, practically, & noticeably for more SPEED, SECURITY, & yes, even ANONYMITY (vs. DNS request logs + DNSBLs), but I wouldn't TRY what you're doing (at least not without coding know-how, a FAST server with a FAST wide connection & more), because of the above...
... apk
the text of Mozilla's questions
404555974007725459910684486621289147856453481154 in hex is "You sank my Battleship?"
[GPG key in journal]
I think you've already lost the war, you just won't admit it.
captcha: chortle
No, seriously....shut the fuck up, Pete.
Classic! Dude, you totally made my day. I wish I had mod points for you...
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HI APK you speak of knock out.. I CHALLENGE YOU to boxing match since you are OBVIOUSLY stupid n can't see that my movies are the BEST and HOST file suck. ALSO you capitalized 'Obviously' which is STUPID.
PS: Technical fact: HOSTS file has no explosion and SHIT PLOT.
-UWE (BEST)
you are wrong. So was your grade 2 teacher that said sentences can't start with 'and'.
I'm not a nerd. Nerds are smart.
A.) Blocking @ the HOSTS file layer (tcpip.sys)
B.) Software Firewall layer (ipnat.sys)
C.) HARDWARE ROUTER FIREWALL Layer (LinkSys-CISCO tech model here, but I have lists in my firewall, gui driven (pretty easy/easier than .conf file edits - but, to each his own))...
D.) I also combine in things/layer in defenses like:
a. Opera's URLFILTER.INI file
b. FireFox's own native blocklist (plus adblock & noscript)
c. IE's Restricted Zones + TPL's (IE9 only) too!
* Why do I do that @ so many levels of defense for online security (& MORE per these guides I've authored since 1997 for online security & speed -> http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&qs=ns&form=QBLH )?
SIMPLE: The concept of "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" - the BEST THING WE HAVE CURRENTLY GOING in computer security!
APK
Others and I disagree w\ u oakgrove http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38451852 . U being caught trollin as ac here and then w] ur usual registered account was priceless http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38452404
Std. test scores have been dropping every decade. You "youngsters" are retarded by comparison to us older guys. Teachers today are shaking their heads at how STUPID today's youth is and trying to give you a break (which only cripples you) on how crappy you all write (including starting sentences with conjunctions). Altering the rules later doesn't make it right! Your pitiful version(s) of "modern english" includes "ebonics" so just give us a break. You're a known generation of retarded morons.
We don't feed trolls here. Mentally challenged ones like u included.
"I'd bet money that they're not the same person." - by hawkinspeter (831501) on Wednesday December 21, @02:28PM (#38451852)
You'd WIN, because, lol: We're not! However, this nutjob oakgrove/stenchwarrior, or whatever other reg'd username here he uses in multiple accounts on /. does thinks so!
(That Hairyfeet & I are the same guy... Man, in fact. Hairyfeet and I had laughs over it a couple times here, but now I think it's past laughter, & more into "sicko-dom" actually (stalkerish stuff)).
APK
P.S.=> You know when you've "made it" online? When you have followers I say, lol!
However, I truly, DO wonder, though - like:
Do "psycho-stalkers" like the one I have that thinks hairyfeet & I are the same guy etc., count?
If NOT? Then, clearly, I have none, but I'd trade 'em 4 this particular one (he's "StRaNgELy-ObSeSSeD" with me or something, you know?), & in a heartbeat - LMAO... apk
SOPA and PIPA exist to bring American Law in line with the ACTA international trade agreement. The US, who was the primary sponsor of the ACTA international Trade Agreement, must pass laws that put ACTA into effect. Otherwise, they will be considered bad actors and the ACTA trade agreement will lose support.
As such, the idea is to make all developed nations fall in line with the ACTA provisions, so moving your sites to another country won't stop those sites from falling afoul of all the new laws that all ACTA signatories will be passing.
And if SOPA and PIPA don't pass, there will still need to be laws put into effect to bring the US under the Auspices of ACTA>
And none of them are going to be any better than SOPA or PIPA.
Replace kittens w/ trolls like u I'd be happy. Ur stat source = None respectable!
None as ironically stupid as oakgrove trolling ac 1st n later caught using his reg'd acct http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38448496 then signing off as his normal account here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38451650 .
You are literally the dumbest motherfucker on Slashdot. It was done for comedic effect since apk always posts as AC. You are an I D I O T.
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oakgrove
Oh look. I came up with a similar implementation:
$ curl 208.87.149.250
"?hcnurC tsaoT nomanniC fo etsat eht evol sdik yhw ees elif STSOH eht nac tuB" - by Anonymous Coward ANOTHER "ne'er-do-well" /. OFF-TOPIC TROLL on Wednesday December 21, @10:57AM (#38449298)
"???"
Uhm... Could we get a translation of that off-topic "troll-speak/trolllanguage" of yours, please?
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* And, you're an off-topic troll - no questions asked...
APK
P.S.=> Yes, it must have just have been another off-topic done nothing of significance with his life troll spewing his off-topic b.s. again &Â contributing to the ongoing conversations. Oh well - No biggie!
("ReVeRsE-PsYcHoLoGy", for trolls - Courtesy of this code by "yours truly" in less than 1 second flat):
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#TrollTalkComReversePsychologyKiller.py (Ver #2 by APK)
def reverse(s):
try:
trollstring = ""
for apksays in s:
trollstring = apksays + trollstring
except:
print("error/abend in reverse function")
return trollstring
s = ""
print reverse(s)
try:
s = "Insert whatever 'trollspeak/trolllanguage' gibberish occurs here..."
s = reverse(s)
print(s)
except Exception as e:
print(e)
---
... apkÂ
Back 2 anonymous coward trolling replies now oakgrove?
Ping's ur friend -> So are text editors-> Get 2 know em -> Use Hosts files= It's as simple as that for:
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1.) Noticeably far better online speed websurfing by:
a.) Blocking Adbanners via hosts here mostly
&
b.) By "hardcoding" 250 fav. sites of mine into it with IP-Address-To-Hosts/Domain name level etc. to avoid external DNS roundtrip lookup resolution & return time, & instead doing it from an SSD (not FLASH ram either, faster type DDR4), & it's cached by the local kernelmode caching subsystem...
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2.) Security (blocking known malicious sites/servers/hosts-domains) - currently I blockout, guaranteed, 1,653,456++ thus & am "proof" to their attacks, whatever they may be, because what I can't touch cannot hurt me...
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3.) Anonymity added, to a degree, vs. filtration methods @ the DNS level such as DNS request logs (tracking) &/or DNSBL's (dns blocklist filters).
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* All that 4 FREE, & more than that too really, that's a shortlist... All from using ping, notepad, & hosts files!
APK
P.S.=> Of course, I do a heck of a LOT more to get mine from 20++ sources refreshed & combined, on 15 minute intervals returned converted from larger/slower 127.0.0.1 to smaller & faster just as "universal" & NO LOOPBACK OPS POSSIBLE - like dns blackhole?
It get it returned, faster & smaller + more efficient, as possible - alphabetized, normalized/deduplicated, rewritten to original hosts via overwrite from guaranteed pristine temp copy done on SSD (true SSD, not flash based, DDR4 here)
Courtesy of multi-platform Python code nowadays (was Delphi before that, & before that Access)... apk
Put it THIS way: I am everywhere & nowhere all @ once, thru the 'magic power' of HOSTS files, FASTER & SAFER than most ever will be unfortunately - but, I've mastered IP related tech enough to know enough to try this & it works (not just for myself, but others too who've tried & applied this technique)...
Best part is, it's 4 FREE!
Because anyone can get hosts files data that's reputable & reliable enough to try them out & realize how much faster things get, for their money they shell out to be online... that's the MAIN gain, speed that is immediately noticeable!
For security? It's great if you combine it with say NortonDNS, OpenDNS, ScrubIT DNS filtering DNSBL servers vs. malware etc. too!
PER MY SUBJECT-LINE ABOVE THOUGH, since I was "waxing nostalgic":
For me though? I can't QUITE say that.... on "free" here.
See - I put a lot of time (hours, but to save months to years) into writing automation programs for myself & my system to refresh & update it periodically every 15 minutes sorted, deduplicated-normalized, & faster (0.0.0.0 vs. larger/slower loopback op address 127.0.0.1) just to make it constantly better, faster, & stronger -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofoK_QQxGc )
And, with it? Me safer, & faster, noticeably so on BOTH accounts, online... for decades now (& it works). Anyone can be me & enjoy this in fact for a little effort (prebuilt hosts files are free too & they work, just not as good as mine because they're not as comprehensive (mine's mostly ALL of them + my own data too)).
APK
P.S.=> "We can make him BETTER than he was before: better... Faster... STRONGER!" from the video above, &, that's what I like doing to my computers & have since way, Way, WAY back, still using the same working techniques for all of the above, & far more... why?
Because, lol - I HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY! to do the above, myself, @ all levels computing! Pats self on back...
... apk
You do, Peter:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38454952
"THOR SCHMUCK" refused to answer on PING.EXE + SPYBOT S&D which violate CA's 21 point test via ping of death or altering HOSTS files, & MORE on his own website. That made him look QUITE poorly, easily. With facts, as is my usual style.
Also, my single app (of 40 freeware/sharewares I did years ago, some ending up as commercially sold products or code in them) was lowered to ZERO THREAT LEVELS after I passed all 21 questions for that @ CA no less!
Heck - that SINGLE APP of 40 or so I have written online to date?
It's NOT EVEN SCRIPTABLE FOR ATTACK - whereas by way of comparison? Others are creating apps like it also, in 64 bit no less, per this example thereof:
http://www.start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2254:hidden-start-run-apps-in-the-background&catid=70:64bit-process-management&Itemid=136
That one is though...
Does CA list it? Oh, wait a second - CA had to SELL OFF THEIR PC TOOLS DIVISION (it sucked is why, lol):
http://www.updatapartners.com/news/151/Updata-Partners-to-Acquire-CA-Technologies-Internet-Security-Business-Unit-/
Thor SCHMUCK (degreeless wannabe that he is in the computer sciences) is, afaik, the one that submitted my app to CA as a malware!
(It was not intended by myself for that kind of use, I wrote it in good faith for a forums guy that wanted a way to launch OLD Apache server for Windows like a service, invisibly, & since that's only 1-2 lines of code to do? I did! It's not scriptable for attack though, period (no argc/argv code in it is why)).
CA, now there's a story. Ask Computer Associates about their being caught in a millions of dollars financial/accounting scam, here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/215116/computer_associates_cofounder_led_22.html
Real reputable company, eh?
In fact, I passed every single one of the 21 questions for removal of my ware from their site, & all they ended up doing was lowering it down to a "zero threat level"...
I'm not too concerned about it, because they also do it to others (along with other Antivirus/Antispyware companies, and we all know how "effective" those are, especially lately vs. today's "blended threats").
In fact? I am actually in GOOD COMPANY on that account as others have had it happen to they as well!
Ask Dr. Mark Russinovich of Microsoft or Nir Softer of NIRSOFT if they've ever had their numerous apps libeled along with themselves in the same manner... (answer = they have, so I suppose I am in "good company" here, eh?)
Thor Schmuck doesn't even have a CSC degree or even a single A+ type certification to his name.
APK
P.S.=> All I can say to and about Thor SCHMUCK, is this: GOD BLESS TY TYMKOVICH (LOL, run that by him, it ought to be good for a laugh... the fool got wickedly SUCKERED by him to the tune of $5,500)...
... apk
"Nice display of your technical skills, APK, except that ping and traceroute are not tools for DNS lookups, nslookup is." -
Ping/Tracert can be used as REVERSE DNS LOOKUP tools fool (note the bolded part?)...
* YOU FAIL!
APK
P.S.=> My apologies folks, but this miserable little ac trolling stalking worm has been attempting to harass me here for months now posting to my replies as ac, & he fails every time (making me look good yes, I'll admit that), as you can see above! apk
That ping'll reverse DNS lookup resolve itself to star.shill.slashdot.org via the ping -a 216.34.181.44 ...
Tracert 216.34.181.44 will do the same, albeit, it will also shows each hop with resolved IP addresses for each hop to their domain name/host name too!
(Because tracert code uses pinging, I've written 32-bit clients for both, albeit in GUI, which is HOW I KNOW THIS)
BOTH programs use the TLD's I noted to do it as well!
* You? You're TOO STUPID to know this, & hence your posting as "ac" stalking me all the time, so WHEN YOU BLOW IT, as you have here? You can "hide" & try it again, without it being attached to your REAL name (or even "registered 'luser'" name here).
APK
P.S.=> Not only are you STUPID, but you're a pitiful little coward & technically WEAK in computing as well... which this merely proves easily (too bad big mouth, you "f'd up" large)...
... apk
apk just tore up an ac troll who stalks him here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38458510 on reverse dns lookup with ping and tracert, proving how tld's apk that store information for reverse dns lookup and that ping and tracert indeed do use it.
Ping & tracert are, they work for reverse DNS lookup as I said - Learn 2 read dolt: Because now? Ur wearing egg on ur face - lol... so, who CARES what the "primary purpose" of ping & tracert are (which I am fully aware of), when they work for WHAT I STATED THEY DO - REVERSE DNS LOOKUP!
(Call me ALL THE NAMES YOU WANT TO in your weak attempt @ an adhominem attack, but you blew it/u fail, lol!)
APK
P.S.=> U didn't even get the fact right that I said reverse dns lookup in my post you replied erroneously to here fool -> Should've noted this, but I will now: PING &/or TRACERT are your pals for "reverse DNS lookups" where I literally stated this verbatim:
"Should've noted this, but I will now: PING &/or TRACERT are your pals for "reverse DNS lookups" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @03:23PM (#38452520) FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38452520
You FAIL, as per your usual, ac stalker troll... lmao!
... apk
YOUR words are now flavored w/ the taste of your foot in your mouth, lol, AND "the bitter taste of defeat", which of course, as is your usual, you only brought on yourself with your illiteracy AND stupidity-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38460266
* Thanks again, for making ME, look GOOD, as usually do... lol!
APK
P.S.=> Now you "pay the price" of looking not only COMPLETELY STUPID, but illiterate also, in the link above (priceless - makes my bookmarks/favs I am keeping on your "huge list of fails" by yourself, my "ac stalker troll fan", lol!). Man, you KNOW I've just GOTTA SAY IT, as-is-per-my-usual style vs. yourself:
This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'"...
... apk
Right here, lol, very badly -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38460266 because you didn't realize I was talking about REVERSE DNS LOOKUP, which ping & tracert work for against the data in the TLD I noted no less earlier... nslookup isn't used for that.
APK
P.S.=> How STUPID do you feel now? Now, whether YOU like it or NOT? Well - I can't help it if others noted how stupid you were in that link above (and trust me - you don't get anymore "open mouth insert foot" than YOU did there, lol)... apkb
"Look, you just can't go around using the name of said file in vain, there are consequences." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @08:24AM (#38447336)
Consequences were you getting your ass kicked 2x on:
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1.) HOSTS files here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38447776 where not a SINGLE REPLIER could disprove my points on HOSTS files benefits to users for SPEED, SECURITY, & YES, anonymity to an extent also...
2.) On REVERSE DNS LOOKUP here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38460266
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* You're right about 1 thing: Consequences!
(Consequences of "U FAIL", vs. myself, bigtime - Yes, you tried your betters in myself, and got your butt kicked, hard... 2x in a ROW no less, lol!)
APK
P.S.=>
"Cue a thread or two of people winding the poor dumb bastard up, as he continues to list his random achievements from 2002 whilst gloating about being a graduate from some non-university no one has ever heard of, with a random littering of grammatically dire pre-written copy and pasted statements including random use of bold text" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21, @08:24AM (#38447336)
Tell u what, as I have MANY times here before:
The day YOU can show everyone here that you actually possess degrees around computer sciences, & that you've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER of good note in the Comp. Sci. related realm? That's the day you can speak that way in regards to myself...
Because, otherwise?? LMAO @ U, as I always do when you box yourself into THAT corner vs. myself... everytime!
... apk that you've done MORE, BETTER,
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38473746 Your tech screwups vs. APK 2x in a row in this article's threads, & his talking behind apk's back now like the cowardly little worm he is, is explained easily by AC stalker troll's "geek angst" being wounded because he f'd up vs. apk as he always does.
U can't, U know it, & that's that -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38447776
APK
P.S.=> Putting you where you belong (the shitcan)? Too easy, because YOU do the job for me, troll... apk
He shut you up in this link about HOSTS files http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38447776 and not a single one of you trolls could disprove those points, hahaha.
U lost 4 sure 2x in a row -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38473746
2x in a row, lmao -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38447776
I don't have to note that I said "REVERSE DNS LOOKUP" which is what you missed like the fool you are, but now? I'm going to state WHY I did (as well as why I listed the TLD's that maintain that info. for both IPv4 & IPv6 -> IPv4 uses in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa is for IPv6)!
1st - Look @ what the OP wants to do!
(I.E.-> DUMP DNS for all routable IP ranges into a HOSTS file (not that I recommend it, but here's how I'd design such an app, & for ACCURACY, with a "proof thereof" on nslookup failure)).
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OP RE-QUOTED:
"How large would a full dump of the whole DNS system actually be?... In essence would it be possible to just completely bypass the classic DNS and move to one big hosts file on the local computer? - by grumbel (592662) on Wednesday December 21, @09:21AM (#38447944) Homepage
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So, to do THAT & ABSOLUTELY RELIABLY?
First, I listed where the actual IP-Address-to-HOSTS/DOMAIN name info. is (see again above)... & with GOOD reason:
Ping can do the rest via its -a switch (pretty easy code too for the most part), via REVERSE DNS INFORMATION it yields with the -a switch!
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TELL US - WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE BELOW:
(To see how "accurate" NSLOOKUP is, via this example I just did):
STEP #1 - PING GOOGLE:
C:\Windows\system32> ping google.com
Pinging google.com [74.125.113.99] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.113.99: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=54
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STEP #2 - NSLOOKUP that IP address:
C:\Windows\system32> nslookup 74.125.113.99
Server: UnKnown
Address: 198.153.192.1
Name: vw-in-f99.1e100.net
Address: 74.125.113.99
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STEP #3 VERIFYING PING GOOGLE RETURN:
C:\Windows\system32>ping -a 74.125.113.99
Pinging vw-in-f99.1e100.net [74.125.113.99] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.113.99: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=54
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So, tell us: HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU TRUST NSLOOKUP TO DO THE JOB RIGHT?
There's NO FEASIBLE WAY you could attempt a DNS 'dump' using HOSTS-DOMAIN NAMES written in "human language names" for lack of a better expression (& A KEY POINT here) first of all!
Secondly, since hosts-domain names are just for human convenience & the actual internet actually uses IP addresses?
One could PING 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255 in IPv4 (& DO WHAT HE WANTS!)
APK
P.S.=> When you learn more on HOW to design computer programs around IP, for what people are LOOKING TO DO?
Get back to us...
Because the OP wanted to have data sources & mechanisms to do it - RELIABLE CONSISTENT ONES!
Even though I don't recommend it, that's the ONLY way it's "DOABLE" reliably, via REVERSE DNS INFORMATION! & the nslookup FUCKUP above shows how/why...
... apk
MINUS the "non-routable" sections of the net, of course, per this quote of mine:
"One could PING 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255 in IPv4 (& DO WHAT HE WANTS!)" -
OMITTING, of course, the non-routable addresses for reserved private network ranges (to ping -a) of:
10.0.0.0 â" 10.255.255.255
172.16.0.0 â" 172.31.255.255
192.168.0.0 â" 192.168.255.255
APK
P.S.=> SO - It would work, and, to do EXACLTY what the OP wants, REVERSE DNS LOOKUPS via ping -a code, for a FULL RELIABLE "DNS DUMP", just like I stated here:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38476492
Would work (& reliably, because I show an NSLOOKUP "FUCKUP" in there...)
... apk
"This behavior may be inconsistent with other vendor's versions of Nslookup" - FROM http://support.microsoft.com/kb/200525 and MORE nslookup issues exist here too -> http://www.c3.hu/docs/oreilly/tcpip/dnsbind/ch11_07.htm
In other words?
NSLOOKUP PROGRAMS can vary on how they work between vendors of said programs' versions (think *NIX &/or Windows), AND, there are DIFF. KINDS OF SERVERS & INFORMATION offered by said lookup servers too!
* That last part (diff. servers offering diff. info. for NSLOOKUP)? Yes, much I am SURE of because of my having also written an NSLOOKUP GUI program (& there's many kinds of lookup information & servers for nslookups)... as well as a GUI ping, & tracert program too!
SO, my suggestion of using REVERSE DNS LOOKUPS to do what the OP wanted, though I do NOT recommend it (dump dns worldwide records for IP-to-HOSTS/DOMAIN names translated accurately into a hosts file)?
THIS IS DOABLE -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38476492 & will/should work... & more accurately than the screwups I've SEEN in nslookup before (due to DNS used, & more).
APK
P.S.=> This about "finishes you off", despite your screwup in NOT NOTING I used "reverse dns lookup" as a suggestion for the OP to try... apk
"In essence would it be possible to just completely bypass the classic DNS and move to one big hosts file on the local computer?" - by grumbel (592662) on Wednesday December 21, @09:21AM (#38447944) Homepage
What the OP wanted & nslookup CAN'T DO IT - it NEEDS dns info!
REQUOTING OP NOW AGAIN:
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"would it be possible to just completely bypass the classic DNS and move to one big hosts file on the local computer?" - by grumbel (592662) on Wednesday December 21, @09:21AM (#38447944) Homepage
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QUESTION: What does nslookup DEPEND on? ANSWER = DNS!
I.E.-> YOU CAN'T DO WHAT THE OP WANTS USING nslookup... period! It NEEDS DNS... period.
(DNS = A faulty system in & of itself, especially nowadays, lol, hell I even SHOWED an err/abend in it & I've seen them before, usually due to folks screwing up records entries in it (multihomed sites mostly))
Additionally, if you *THINK* DNS records fuckups don't happen? I suggest you look into HOW things work @ that level, & "Common DNS errors" (VERY common in fact) in RFC1912...
They DO happen, & ARE COMMON!
E.G.-> My example here, 1st pinging GOOGLE.COM, & getting back an IP address for it, then running nslookup over the returned IP? Didn't return GOOGLE.COM here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38476492 , did it?
Nope!
Thus - so much for the "accuracy" of nslookup!
(Yes - Usually, it's alright, PROVIDED FOLKS DON'T F'up THEIR DNS records entries... but I've seen it "mess up" before as I showed up there, in writing up nslookup apps in GUI form... TOO dependent on a KNOWN f'd up system called DNS!)
APK
P.S.=> In the end? Not ONLY did you overlook I suggested reverse DNS records usage (most reliable there is), but?
U LOSE/U FAIL & SPECIFICALLY, for what the OP wanted to do - BYPASS DNS ALTOGETHER! You CANNOT DO THAT with nslookup, because it DEPENDS ON DNS!
HOWEVER: My system of using what I suggested (using the actual TLD's that maintain RELIABLE records for Canonical names (e.g.-> google.com) to IP addresses) RELIABLY WORKS, via reverse DNS & the TLD's that actually MAINTAIN the proper information for Canonical names to IP address records worldwide..
"Here endeth the lesson"
... apk
Stand strong, Mozilla!
http://blog.eset.com/2011/11/15/sopa-and-pipa-and-dns-an-open-letter-to-congress
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"SOPA and PIPA have serious implications for DNS"
Also - what's "DeSOPA" (the FF addon being discussed) do? Here's a quote of that much as proof:
"Firefox Add-On Bypasses SOPA DNS Blocking" from http://torrentfreak.com/firefox-add-on-bypasses-sopa-dns-blocking-111220/
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QUESTION (one I already answered in my previous replies no less): WHAT DOES NSLOOKUP DEPEND ON?
ANSWER = DNS SERVERS!
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So, your usage of nslookup, vs. SOPA DNSBL's (DNS Block Lists)? Like you, it's STUPID & LIMITED!
(Especially IF this passes into law, because then, every legit DNS server will have to implement it from ISP/BSP levels!)
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Not only THAT, but again also?
The OP (original poster) WANTED TO BYPASS DNS SERVERS - your method, using nslookup? DOES NOT! See my 'p.s.' below in regards to THAT!
(He's actually either lucky, OR, right as rain on it/rightfully so)
Yes, you'll have to bypass DNS due to those DNSBLs, in order to obtain information about blocked out ones, & ONLY WAY TO DO THAT? You guessed it:
REVERSE DNS INFORMATION gained from the 2 TLD's I noted (that maintain CNAME to IP Address pointers records!)
* Yes, this was the consolidated "Final 'coup de grace'" on your ass...
APK
P.S.=> To establish that NSLOOKUP has DNS dependencies, look no farther than this, right @ its outset:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nslookup
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"nslookup is a network administration command-line tool available for many computer operating systems for querying the Domain Name System (DNS) to obtain domain name or IP address mapping or for any other specific DNS record."
AND, that "all said & aside"?
Again - since DNSBL's will be being used, that's when nslookup "won't have a clue" even, because those records WILL BE "GONE WITH THE DAWN"... but the TLD's that maintain the reverse DNS records won't be simply because of some DNSBL being implemented!
"Here endeth the lesson"... & You? YOU HAVE BEEN ROYALLY "Pwned"...
... apk
Sorry to disappoint you also - I'm not a homosexual.
APK
P.S.=> Whenever you do that crap, ac stalker troll? You're only letting me know I whipped you, SO BADLY, that all you're left with is b.s. like trying to impersonate me... lol!
... apk
Apparently, the levels of "tech" I discussed in the links above are above you, so here we go, step-by-step on why my subject-line above "rings true" about you:
1.) Your use of nslookup (which can do "reverse dns lookups", & I never said it couldn't - but, I didn't use it WITH GOOD REASON)? Nslookups would FAIL hugely once the DNSBL's are in place for SOPA, its dependencies on DNS would make it fail because of the blocklist filters - simply because nslookup's dependent on DNS (& once the block list filters are up, it too, would be shutdown for doing what ping can do on reverse dns because PING goes direct to the 2 TLD's that maintain the actual Canonical/CNAME-to-IP address resolutions & ping's echo retrieves them - BYPASSING DNS and satisfying the constraint the OP stated to do that).
I covered THAT in DETAIL, here (along with an nslookup inaccuracy fail example too for kicks) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38478238
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2.) Via ping -a code (about 300-400 lines of C code tops usually)? The OP could literally (though I do NOT recommend it) ping -a reverse DNS echo resolve every IP address from 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255, bypassing DNS to do so as he wished to do (minus private IP address ranges, no point there) & thus, pretty easily to fill a local HOSTS file with every IP Address resolved to a CNAME/hosts-domain name... & it wouldn't FAIL like your nslookup would due to its DNS dependencies, once the SOPA dnsbl's are in place!
I covered THAT in DETAIL, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38476492
APK
P.S.=> Need I say it? "You have been ROYALLY, 'pwned'" & this is nothing NEW for you, ac stalker troll of mine... &? Well - You KNOW I just GOTTA say this:
This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'"... lol!
... apk
Do you have a PhD in Computer Science ?
I bet you don't, so just shut up, sit and watch dude.
#2 - CALLING ME "PETE" (which you've been doing here and it gave you away as the 'ac troll' now) AND RUNNING AWAY FROM DISPROVING POINTS I MADE HERE ON HOSTS FILES WHICH YOU COULD NOT DO:
To My Dearest Peter,
...)
I just want to make sure that there is no confusion in your head(s) between this AC calling you PETE (and some other calling you either "Alex" or "Alexander") and myself calling you "Peter", "My Dear Peter", "My Dearest Peter" or "Peter, my love".
I'd like to assure you that I'm not he and that we are actually several different persons, answering all your BS as ACs (me + 6 others as far as I can count + oakgrove sometimes posting AC, but signing anyway, as a form of sarcasm that you don't understand)
Your Precious, aka "The One that Multi-Kicked APK's ass" (yes, not cap for your ass
P.S.=> See you soon, in you Mother's basement or at your Computer Science PhD's final presentation (you know, the one that will give you the right to talk out of your ass about computer security and being relevant)
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38482510
Speak 4 urself & U GOT PWNED -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38482510
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVmBAd76kak cuz apk pwned u http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38482510
Profanity n illogical off topic ad hominem attacks? See -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVmBAd76kak