These units cost about the same, or a little more, than a standard PC. Unlike a standard PC, however, they are geared from start to be slave units to a server.
Actually, they cost about twice as much as a mini-atx. Don't forget that UNIX (and therefor Linux) was always designed to operate with dumb terminals (thin clients) connected to a centralized host. The X11 protocol was also designed to operate distributed among network connected hosts. It's not even that hard to set up.
Even Windows these days has "terminal services" that works (or at least thats the rumor) in a similar fasion.
Suddenly our wonderful reason for buying a thin client turns into "why am I doing this again?"
I'd love to have a thin client to stick in every room in the house running off of my Linux server. But at $600 a pop, it's just not worth it. Show me a thin client for $50-100. That's when I'll buy one (or 10).
The thing that was really disappointing to me is that I'm a considerably experienced Linux (and Debian) user, and I couldn't get the network up. I only spent about 10 minutes with it because I was at work, but there's not much more you can do than to call ifconfig and dhclient manually to bring the interface up.
I didn't bother trying to figure out why it wouldn't come up either, but I suspect it's either a missing kernel module or horribly misconfigured dhclient config. Like I said in my previous post, what they do have working is nice, and it'll be even nicer once it's complete.
I saw this posted on Debian Planet a few days ago and already downloaded a copy.
Unless you speak German, or are very familiar with the GNOME interface you're going to have a hard time using this. Booting with lang=en and setting your session type to en_US still won't switch the language to English. Now I have a nice coaster with "GNOPPIX 0.5" written with a Sharpie on it.
Too bad too. The only reason to get this over Knoppix or Lnx-BBC is for GNOME. Save your bandwidth for a few versions at least until the English support gets fixed. This is really a "too early to be slashdotted over" release, and they're going to lose a lot of potential users because of it's current condition.
It's also missing vital tools that all other live cds have, namely the ability to set up TCP/IP. The GNOME Network thingy didn't work, dhclient didn't work, there's no pump.
Gnoppix has potential to fill a nice little niche in the community, and when it's ready it'll be cool. But unless you're planning on helping out as a developer, wait on this one.
While I haven't used Gentoo yet, Debian is the easiest managed Linux system I've used so far (out of about 8 distros). If you can do Gentoo binary only, then I guess the only technical reason left to consider is which one is easier to manage.
Some reasons for Debian: o Stable branch is bulletproof o Security updates are thorough and timely (make sure you sign up to debian-security-announce!) o apt-get absolutely rocks.
If gentoo is comparable to debian in those areas, and you're more comfortable with gentoo, then by all means that's better for you. I suggest you at least install debian on a box and play with it for a bit before making your decision though.
Well, in my experience pine isn't that widely used anymore. Most people who still use term based mail have switched to mutt because it's a violation of the pine license to distribute modified binaries or source. I know a lot of people, and I don't know anyone who uses pine anymore.
At any rate, the number of pine instances out there is insignificant compared to the number of sendmail, apache or bind installations out there.
A major point of debate in trademark disagreements is confusion. Will Apple's use of Rendezvous be confusing to people who are familiar with TIBCO's use of Rendezvous? The answer is clearly no.
Actually, that's backwards. It's not so important to current customers as it is potential customers.
CEO: What do we use? CIO: Rendevouz! CEO: That thing that helps the Mac print?? CIO: No, that messaging software from Tibco. CEO: Who the hell is that? Probably trying to get in on Apple's popularity. Let's use MS Exchange instead. CIO: My job sucks.
Please, please, please tell me how this saves any trouble at all? I challenge you to come up with a scenario where the simple fact that a compiler is not installed on a server somehow hinders the ability of a cracker, script kiddie or even just a determined end-user to install/run any software they want on a server
The Morris worm was able to mutate acrost all hardware archs because it uploaded source code and compiled it.
If there's a sufficiently large hole in a sufficiently distributed product (sendmail, bind, apache, etc.) a source code worm can wreck havoc on the entire UNIX world (Linux, Sun, Irix, whatever) regardless of hardware platform. Of course, a lack of compiler would put an end to that real fast. Say what you will about Robert Morris, but he was ingeniously clever (though not without fault).
Security isn't one layer. It's as many layers as you can possibly come up with. That's why you don't give away shell accounts on your production web server to the public because they can't write to the web files anyway, right?
It's not there yet. Either the technology or the animators themselves. I hate to beat a dead horse, but the article already brought it up, matrix reloaded felt a lot more like the spirits within than the origonal matrix.
IMHO, MR was ruined by crappy CG. They should have done all the same stuff using bullet time instead and it would have come out a lot better.
I'm not anxious to see the next disappointing CG movie.
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How the hell did I get modded -1 redundant when I was the second post? What is that?
One of the big concessions that I've heard about Windows is that it has a lot of accessibility features that weren't present in other previous GUIs.
That's actually not true. The X-Windowing-System has come with xmag virtually for ever. High contrast themes are not hard to create. You can make icons and fonts whatever size you want. We've even got sticky keys. The only thing X is missing as far as accessibility is keyboard control of the mouse cursor. Then again, you can always run ratpoison and be rid of the rodent forever.
I was talking about the DMCA. According to the Federal Home Recording act of 1992, all activity done under P2P sharing services would be deemed legal. The FHRA was enacted to lift the burden of mass copying that had occured over the past 20 years as tapes became more popular because gradually, virtually everyone in the US became a criminal by recording a song off the air, recording a concert, copying a tape from a friend, etc. Congress knew calling all of your constituents a bunch of dirty thieves doesn't help you get re-elected. Well, according to the DMCA we're all a bunch of dirty thieves again. Ho hum.
IMHO, the DMCA is a bit like prohibition. Once it was enacted and the entire alcohol industry moved underground and nothing else changed. Congress later realized fighting it was stupid and a waste of time and repealed it. File sharing has moved from the once semi-legit but mainstream napster to the semi-underground anonymity of gnutella and kazaa. Continuing the witch hunt will only drive people onto FreeNet, where they'll be virtually impossible to catch. The more they dig, the deeper underground it'll go. They can never win.
I'm not condoning any of this, just a prediction of how things will go over the next few years.
Setup or no, when a law is passed that automatically defaults the majority of citizens as being criminals, there's something wrong with the law, not the people.
Did everyone sleep through the blackout of 3 weeks ago? VOIP didn't work. Cel phones didn't work.
Memphis, TN was hit with a really bad storm about 3 weeks before the northeast outage. We (Memphis) lost power to 70% of the city and phone service in about half. Power was out at my house for 4 days and everyone that I know at one time or another had their power and/or phone go out intermittantly for about 2 weeks after the storm.
All the while, my wireless phone (verizon) never lost service. I did hear plenty of people on other networks complain (sprint and cingular in particular) about lack of service.
Now I wasn't in NY, so I don't know if the case is the same there or not, but perhaps you should ask around to get an idea of what customers of various providers experienced and maybe consider switching networks.
I'm not sure which side of the point you're on, but I see this as a good thing. I'm not so much pro-VOIP as I am pro-cheap-calling-to-and-from-anywhere-in-the-worl d. When I can carry my cell phone to any point on the planet and call any other person on the planet at any time of day for no extra charge above my standard flat rate of $20/mo, telecommunication will finally be where we want it to be. If VOIP gets us there fine, if not that's fine too. And until then I'll be happy enough as long as the competition keeps driving the price down.
That was a really good point that I didn't think about. But still, $500 for Windows and all the bundled crap that comes with it (most of which is downloadable or useles). It makes me glad I never bought a Dell, and sad for my friend who just did.
The FreeDos website has links to the Dell 360 desktop. The interesting thing I found, was that the default configuration with Windows (any version) selected as the OS costs $2863. The exact same options with Red Hat or Free DOS is only $2234.
Yes, that's right. Dell is rooking $629 for Windows. If that doesn't piss you off enough, read this. However, I do have to say that I am glad there are now 2 major hardware vendors selling desktop systems with Linux as the only OS. IMHO, this is the only thing that IBM needs to do to solidify their commitment to Linux. I love what they're doing with Linux servers, but I sure wish I could buy a Thinkpad with a hardware modem and Linux.
Contrary to popular belief, Quake doesn't take up all that much bandwidth to play. A 10-baseT network (considered to be obsolete by many) can handle 22 games with 8 players per game with no problem 176 total players). Universities these days will be mostly on a gigabit or terabit ethernet network (200 and 2000 games or 1700 and 17000 players respectively). University of Michigan has 51,000 enrolled students. If you assume that 100% of them live on campus then 1/3rd of all attending students would have to be concurrently playing to use up the bandwith on a terabit network. In reality, it's not going to be anywhere near that number. 5% is more like it.
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These units cost about the same, or a little more, than a standard PC. Unlike a standard PC, however, they are geared from start to be slave units to a server.
Actually, they cost about twice as much as a mini-atx. Don't forget that UNIX (and therefor Linux) was always designed to operate with dumb terminals (thin clients) connected to a centralized host. The X11 protocol was also designed to operate distributed among network connected hosts. It's not even that hard to set up.
Even Windows these days has "terminal services" that works (or at least thats the rumor) in a similar fasion.
Suddenly our wonderful reason for buying a thin client turns into "why am I doing this again?"
I'd love to have a thin client to stick in every room in the house running off of my Linux server. But at $600 a pop, it's just not worth it. Show me a thin client for $50-100. That's when I'll buy one (or 10).
The thing that was really disappointing to me is that I'm a considerably experienced Linux (and Debian) user, and I couldn't get the network up. I only spent about 10 minutes with it because I was at work, but there's not much more you can do than to call ifconfig and dhclient manually to bring the interface up.
I didn't bother trying to figure out why it wouldn't come up either, but I suspect it's either a missing kernel module or horribly misconfigured dhclient config. Like I said in my previous post, what they do have working is nice, and it'll be even nicer once it's complete.
I saw this posted on Debian Planet a few days ago and already downloaded a copy.
Unless you speak German, or are very familiar with the GNOME interface you're going to have a hard time using this. Booting with lang=en and setting your session type to en_US still won't switch the language to English. Now I have a nice coaster with "GNOPPIX 0.5" written with a Sharpie on it.
Too bad too. The only reason to get this over Knoppix or Lnx-BBC is for GNOME. Save your bandwidth for a few versions at least until the English support gets fixed. This is really a "too early to be slashdotted over" release, and they're going to lose a lot of potential users because of it's current condition.
It's also missing vital tools that all other live cds have, namely the ability to set up TCP/IP. The GNOME Network thingy didn't work, dhclient didn't work, there's no pump.
Gnoppix has potential to fill a nice little niche in the community, and when it's ready it'll be cool. But unless you're planning on helping out as a developer, wait on this one.
I agree with Tor (see above ^^), try Debian.
While I haven't used Gentoo yet, Debian is the easiest managed Linux system I've used so far (out of about 8 distros). If you can do Gentoo binary only, then I guess the only technical reason left to consider is which one is easier to manage.
Some reasons for Debian:
o Stable branch is bulletproof
o Security updates are thorough and timely (make sure you sign up to debian-security-announce!)
o apt-get absolutely rocks.
If gentoo is comparable to debian in those areas, and you're more comfortable with gentoo, then by all means that's better for you. I suggest you at least install debian on a box and play with it for a bit before making your decision though.
There is - PINE
Well, in my experience pine isn't that widely used anymore. Most people who still use term based mail have switched to mutt because it's a violation of the pine license to distribute modified binaries or source. I know a lot of people, and I don't know anyone who uses pine anymore.
At any rate, the number of pine instances out there is insignificant compared to the number of sendmail, apache or bind installations out there.
Actually, I have my numlock remapped to another ESC key ;-)
A major point of debate in trademark disagreements is confusion. Will Apple's use of Rendezvous be confusing to people who are familiar with TIBCO's use of Rendezvous? The answer is clearly no.
Actually, that's backwards. It's not so important to current customers as it is potential customers.
CEO: What do we use?
CIO: Rendevouz!
CEO: That thing that helps the Mac print??
CIO: No, that messaging software from Tibco.
CEO: Who the hell is that? Probably trying to get in on Apple's popularity. Let's use MS Exchange instead.
CIO: My job sucks.
Please, please, please tell me how this saves any trouble at all? I challenge you to come up with a scenario where the simple fact that a compiler is not installed on a server somehow hinders the ability of a cracker, script kiddie or even just a determined end-user to install/run any software they want on a server
The Morris worm was able to mutate acrost all hardware archs because it uploaded source code and compiled it.
If there's a sufficiently large hole in a sufficiently distributed product (sendmail, bind, apache, etc.) a source code worm can wreck havoc on the entire UNIX world (Linux, Sun, Irix, whatever) regardless of hardware platform. Of course, a lack of compiler would put an end to that real fast. Say what you will about Robert Morris, but he was ingeniously clever (though not without fault).
Security isn't one layer. It's as many layers as you can possibly come up with. That's why you don't give away shell accounts on your production web server to the public because they can't write to the web files anyway, right?
It's not there yet. Either the technology or the animators themselves. I hate to beat a dead horse, but the article already brought it up, matrix reloaded felt a lot more like the spirits within than the origonal matrix.
IMHO, MR was ruined by crappy CG. They should have done all the same stuff using bullet time instead and it would have come out a lot better.
I'm not anxious to see the next disappointing CG movie.
How the hell did I get modded -1 redundant when I was the second post? What is that?
One of the big concessions that I've heard about Windows is that it has a lot of accessibility features that weren't present in other previous GUIs.
That's actually not true. The X-Windowing-System has come with xmag virtually for ever. High contrast themes are not hard to create. You can make icons and fonts whatever size you want. We've even got sticky keys. The only thing X is missing as far as accessibility is keyboard control of the mouse cursor. Then again, you can always run ratpoison and be rid of the rodent forever.
You've been lied to my friend.
Yay.
I was talking about the DMCA. According to the Federal Home Recording act of 1992, all activity done under P2P sharing services would be deemed legal. The FHRA was enacted to lift the burden of mass copying that had occured over the past 20 years as tapes became more popular because gradually, virtually everyone in the US became a criminal by recording a song off the air, recording a concert, copying a tape from a friend, etc. Congress knew calling all of your constituents a bunch of dirty thieves doesn't help you get re-elected. Well, according to the DMCA we're all a bunch of dirty thieves again. Ho hum.
IMHO, the DMCA is a bit like prohibition. Once it was enacted and the entire alcohol industry moved underground and nothing else changed. Congress later realized fighting it was stupid and a waste of time and repealed it.
File sharing has moved from the once semi-legit but mainstream napster to the semi-underground anonymity of gnutella and kazaa. Continuing the witch hunt will only drive people onto FreeNet, where they'll be virtually impossible to catch. The more they dig, the deeper underground it'll go. They can never win.
I'm not condoning any of this, just a prediction of how things will go over the next few years.
Setup or no, when a law is passed that automatically defaults the majority of citizens as being criminals, there's something wrong with the law, not the people.
I'll give you nothing... and that's my final offer.
Is this a contest for the best offer? I'll raise the offer with my finger.
I'll double that
Seems there are some problems getting even sales people at SCO to answer the phone
What does a litigation company need with sales people?
Did everyone sleep through the blackout of 3 weeks ago? VOIP didn't work. Cel phones didn't work.
Memphis, TN was hit with a really bad storm about 3 weeks before the northeast outage. We (Memphis) lost power to 70% of the city and phone service in about half. Power was out at my house for 4 days and everyone that I know at one time or another had their power and/or phone go out intermittantly for about 2 weeks after the storm.
All the while, my wireless phone (verizon) never lost service. I did hear plenty of people on other networks complain (sprint and cingular in particular) about lack of service.
Now I wasn't in NY, so I don't know if the case is the same there or not, but perhaps you should ask around to get an idea of what customers of various providers experienced and maybe consider switching networks.
I'm not sure which side of the point you're on, but I see this as a good thing. I'm not so much pro-VOIP as I am pro-cheap-calling-to-and-from-anywhere-in-the-worl d. When I can carry my cell phone to any point on the planet and call any other person on the planet at any time of day for no extra charge above my standard flat rate of $20/mo, telecommunication will finally be where we want it to be. If VOIP gets us there fine, if not that's fine too. And until then I'll be happy enough as long as the competition keeps driving the price down.
The linked article needs no registration. He's just a karma whore.
That was a really good point that I didn't think about. But still, $500 for Windows and all the bundled crap that comes with it (most of which is downloadable or useles). It makes me glad I never bought a Dell, and sad for my friend who just did.
Blaster strikes again...
Heist
No, no, no, you've got it all wrong.
This is what really happened to them.
(That's a link to a 5MB mpeg, please be gentle, mirror and post a link!)
The FreeDos website has links to the Dell 360 desktop. The interesting thing I found, was that the default configuration with Windows (any version) selected as the OS costs $2863. The exact same options with Red Hat or Free DOS is only $2234.
Yes, that's right. Dell is rooking $629 for Windows. If that doesn't piss you off enough, read this.
However, I do have to say that I am glad there are now 2 major hardware vendors selling desktop systems with Linux as the only OS. IMHO, this is the only thing that IBM needs to do to solidify their commitment to Linux. I love what they're doing with Linux servers, but I sure wish I could buy a Thinkpad with a hardware modem and Linux.
Contrary to popular belief, Quake doesn't take up all that much bandwidth to play. A 10-baseT network (considered to be obsolete by many) can handle 22 games with 8 players per game with no problem 176 total players). Universities these days will be mostly on a gigabit or terabit ethernet network (200 and 2000 games or 1700 and 17000 players respectively). University of Michigan has 51,000 enrolled students. If you assume that 100% of them live on campus then 1/3rd of all attending students would have to be concurrently playing to use up the bandwith on a terabit network. In reality, it's not going to be anywhere near that number. 5% is more like it.