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Your ruse, your clever trick. On August 22nd, we reported that OpenOffice.org's OS X version had been delayed for two years.
However, bluethundr writes "Hold the phone! Is it delayed or isn't it? Well, according to this story in the register, it AIN'T DELAYED...just undermanned. Apparently there are only TWO (count 'em! one...aw heck, where was I?) developers working on the OS X development team. Dan Williams (who is one of the two in question) says that 'the Mac version is in a Catch-22: with only two developers, it desperately needs man power. But no one will join the porting effort until they see momentum behind the Aqua port.' Maybe some of the coders among us could lend them a hand?"
Too late for the colonies, help save the mothership. leif.singer writes "While there still is some time left, please consider signing Eurolinux' petition against software patents in Europe." You'll be in good company: vinsci writes "In their news section, FFII has posted a more detailed story: "Within a few days, the petition calling the European Parliament to reject software patentability accumulated 50,000 new signatures.""
Free as in FreeDOS Jim Hall writes "I thought I'd submit this before the news item fell too far down our web page. If you remember about a year ago, Dell was to offer Windows-less PC's, instead pre-installing FreeDOS. You can now order a Dell with FreeDOS (or Linux) ... and have been for a while now. They are pretty nice machines, too (3.06GHz). We have the news item (with links to Dell) at the FreeDOS Project web site."
Nasty worms ought to at least produce spice. The NRC released an alert about worm infections and nuclear power plants. This is a reaction after the SQL-Slammer attacked the shut-down Davis-Besse nuclear power plant in January.
Tomorrow is another year. RoadKillian writes "New Scientist reports thats the QinetiQ 1, the record-breaking balloon which was supposed to rise to an altitude of 40km (131,000ft) has ripped during inflation. The weather is unlikely to permit another attempt this year."
When EULAs collide. Yesterday's story about selling a song downloaded from iTunes seems to have an unhappy ending: sideswipe76 writes "As I was watching this auction today, it approached $16,600! Now, if you try and check this link from eBay you get 'invalid item.' Is eBay wussing out just to avoid any legal snafus that _might_ occur? Or did he violate some ebay policy? Thoughts?"
..I think right now I'd rather have a window without PC's..
air and light and time and space
According to News.com, the reason they scrubbed the iTunes auction was because he violated one of eBay's rules, which states that "eBay prohibits the listing of items or products to be delivered electronically through the Internet", aka the "You can't sell it if it doesn't physically exist" policy. Such as transfer may still be legal, but it looks like eBay isn't the place to do it.
It's there, look at the last entry.
It took me several times looking at the article to see that I wasn't going insane...
Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
Come on now- what possible use is there for this?
It sounds about as useful to me as that ~4.xxMB Win95 distribution...
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Diebold has already fixed that. Everybody wins! Money or not.
"To stop the terrorists."
Ah, too bad! I would have loved to see how the sale of that iTunes song turned out! Guess I'll have to keep watching /. to learn, hm? :)
$16k you say. Hmmm.
This may just be a crazy theory, but maybe the RIAA "told" eBay to close the auction. After all, if the auction had gone through and people were allowed to resell songs (as long as they gave up their own -only- copy) then the RIAA would have a new set of legal arguments on hand.
The fact that the auction has been pulled should convince anyone who has wondered that DRM is the only way for companies to profitably sell music on the internet.
Incidentally, it is also a testament to the likely success of Microsoft's upcoming music download service, where you pay an annual fee and may download any 60 songs for playback on a handful of certified devices that are digitally tied to your account. If you get tired of some of the songs, you can turn them in and exchange them for new ones.
When you think about it, this plan makes a lot of sense, since it ushers in the new era of portable digital storage, which you can plug into your car, your expensive Harmon Karden system, or your walkman. It also makes sense in that it will probably make record companies more money than they make today, while making consumers happier.
Wouldn't you like to pay $120 per year and be able to "rent" any 60 songs at any time for as long as you want???
Right now, you could buy 8 or 9 CDs, or 120 iTunes songs, which for most people wouldn't be enough to really establish a satisfactory music library.
I know this post sounds pro-Microsoft, but it's actually pro-capitalism and pro-innovation. Capitalism works so well because it always encourages companies to come up with a better mousetrap, or in this case a better music distribution system.
Amazing magic tricks
This thread addresses the part of eBay's policy that has probably been violated.
Of course, who's to say eBay didn't just roll over under the pressure? Wouldn't be the first time.
-- "Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage." -Naomi Littlebear
If they're unhappy with the recall, fix it. Make it harder to do, or remove it all together. That's democracy.
Weak.
> The site www.freedos.org is running Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 PHP/4.3.2 on Linux.
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Just a thought, but I have a feeling that when bidding gets to the thousands of dollars for something worth virtually nothing, Ebay starts to get a little weary.
I know that I once had the great experience of falling for a new TiBook 1GHZ for only $1500. Bidding went well above that, and Ebay then pulled. Turned out it actually was a scam.
My guess is that Ebay would happily risk stopping a real auction for the small chance it might be a hoax(instead of vica versa). In this case on the chance the bidders won't back their wagers.
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eBay policy
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How many auctions have heard on ebay of the buyers not paying up and trying to trick the seller into shipping to a different address then is posted in his profile and sending payment after shipment is recieved.
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I have a close friend that this happened to when he was selling his Powerbook 867Mhz. The guy didn't pay and tried to get him to ship it to a different address...
like ANYONE is going ot pay $16k for a song
If someone wants to pay a thousand dollars for a song, who is Ebay to stop them? If the person doesn't pay, they have ways of dealing with people. Ebay may not think my sock collection is worth much, but perhaps I have a rare sock someone wants?
on their Downloadable Media Policy page?
Or was that secretly added after this song was listed?
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
/joeyo
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Quote:
"Within a few days, the petition calling the European Parliament to reject software patentability accumulated 50,000 new signatures."
Radical New Petition Method: Get everyone who signs to send one dollar. Fight Money with Money! $50,000+ should be able to buy a polititian, right?
The longer I'm a member of the Human Race, the more I believe Apocalypse is a valid solution.
While I was writing someone commented about an article which give the true reason as being a Ebay Policy issue.
:)
So I no longer have a reason to speculate
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In Dune, worms produce the spice which is the basis for their wealth.
Anyone brave enough to question the distilled coolade that is Apple and anything they touch since coming out with OSX ("ooh, ooh, pretty and Unix, ooh, OOH, AAaahhhh..") might find this spoof of iTunes to be an amuzing antidote.
One of the national news broadcasts just had a couple people talking about 'computer problems' as a factor in the East Coast blackout. A transcript of the first few minutes of the outage had technicians complaining that their computers were acting strangely and that they couldn't diagnose the problem because of that.
The CEO of the company that had the 'original' problem asserted that there must have been systems failures at other sites in order to bring down the entire grid. He said his company alone could not have caused the problems that occurred.
I wonder if any of the MS worms that were circulating at the time actually were to blame for the outage as has been speculated here before?
The webcast of the hearing will be available here when it's ready.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
... like a section of a Microsoft contract which prohibits the shipping of desktop machines without an OS without paying Microsoft.
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
And if I have to keep paying rent instead of a flat fee, I'll go patronize artists who don't expect lifetime tenure or get huffy when I ask them "So what have you written lately?"
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
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The bids that the guy was getting for his ITunes song, Double Dutch something or nother, should make the RIAA seriously consider selling all of their music on EBAY.
Heck, I'm thinking about recording a tune or two for that sorta money.
Caution: Contents under pressure
I wish to inform you that I wrote the Malloc routine for FreeDOS.
Please send me $299 for each installed copy of FreeDOS you have on your PCs..
Darl McBride
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
-----Chaz
We'll, depending on what they meant, they may be getting what they want.
// file: mice.h
#include "frickin_lasers.h"
OK, so eBay says: "eBay prohibits the listing of items or products to be delivered electronically through the Internet."
How about X.25? DecNET? AppleTalk? Token Ring? Maybe they could do IrDA? Or just use IP over a LAN instead of the Internet?
E-bay is a nice place for the exposure if you can't get it anywhere else and don't mind the fees, but what's stopping him from firing up a site and taking bids via e-mail? He's certainly got plenty of attention.
Considering a 99 million dollar bid was placed it'd also be handy to list all the bids placed allowing people to bid in between in case higher bids fall through. It was also aliviate false inflation.
No point in putting in a fake high bid if anyone can bid lower.
It would then also be possible to contact the losing bidders at the end and ask them to donate their bid to the EFF or whatever even though they won't get a crappy song for it.
Using e-bay doesn't test the legality of anything relevant. It simply tests E-Bay's TOS. Selling it himself would test the legality of selling the iTune.
Ben
Work Safe Porn
Maybe Taco can lend a hand. He can lead them away from Aqua and into the purity of Violent Purple.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Now, take an old 200MHz Pentium, FreeDOS, and CNC Pro and you got it all.
There's all kinds of uses for DOS. Lots of people still use it every day, even on their desktops. There's a LOT of old systems out there and recycling is a far better use for them than landfill.
Just out of curiousity, who is the MORON that would pay $16,000 for a song? Michael Jackson got a better deal on the beatles tunes.
He is not of the opinion that
the website for a desktop
operating system must be running
on that operating system.
You see, he thinks it's OK to
make dogfood, feed it to his
collies, and not eat it every
morning for breakfast hisself.
Don't you remember what the MPAA and the RIAA have done to the independent artists? It's a shame that in our great nation, such blatant corporate sponsorship exists in state politics. We need another LA riot. Except this time not targeted at the law enforcement officers, but instead at the 653,883 candidates running for governor.
God bless America.
I like the Spanish and Russian stuff the best, although I have discovered I also have a taste for Turkish hiphop and Egyptian techno.
You can get a taste of what's available right here....
He said the music was to be donated to the EFF. I suspect the people participating in the auction knew full well the track wasn't "worth" anything at all. It's "worth" was in this auction's value as a test case, and that $16,000 would, no doubt, be well used defending this sale (should it have passed) in court.
It's from Star Wars, I think.
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
Seems like soneone saw the first auction and posted another iTunes auction. the experiment continues.
eBay item=2555862144
Nah; it's from Dune.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
OpenOffice already runs on OS X. What they are talking about is a Quartz/Aqua port. But, frankly, why bother? Even if people use Quartz/Aqua APIs, OpenOffice still won't look or behave exactly like a Cocoa-native application, so it really won't be any more "native" than the existing X11 port. Furthermore, Apple's X11 server for OS X is just fine for running software like OpenOffice, it's free, and it's easy to install.
.NET, Gtk+, wxWindows, and FLTK applications to it. OpenOffice on X11 is just another toolkit. What people could spend time more profitably on is cleaning up the few remaining glitches in the integration of X11 with the OS X desktop. Most of those can be done fairly easily, but Apple might consider adding a small X11 extension that would allow people to add OS X-specific features to their X11 applications without a complete rewrite.
There probably isn't much interest in the Quartz/Aqua port because there doesn't seem to be much point to it: it's a lot of work and won't behave much differently.
As OS X becomes more mainstream, the "purity" of its user interface (if you can call the mix of Cocoa and Carbon "pure") will increasingly go away: people will port MFC, Swing,
and toss in a -1 FUD for Downhillbattle
From Dell I can get FreeDOS, but how do I get Free Dell?
http://www.kubuntu.org/
...but I think the real comparison is between iTunes and something which, unfortunately, doesn't exist yet - a way people can get music which actively bypasses the middlemen and sells itself on this feature. People are yearning for a way they can buy music that is fair to artists - all this site is trying to explain is that iTunes isn't it, and people should know that.
According to Tech Bargains You can get a DELL 400SC 2GHz server without an OS for $299. (3.2GHz just $622)
Not too hard to imagine a cluster of these.
http://www.kubuntu.org/
This has been tried in the past. Putting "You may not resell this book" in a book does not exempt it from the first sale doctrine.
If you buy a book, you can sell the book.. it's NOT a license agreement.
It will get tossed out, this *exact* thing has been tried before, many many years ago, when publishers wanted to prevent the sale of used books. It was tossed out of court, repeatedly.
A book is an object. Copyright law protects the author enough already.
Now, if you had some kind of contractual agreemnt and LOANED the books, that's different...
Just contact the highest bidder from your emails and carry on.
How did you get the slashdot id 173? A 3 digit id???
;-)
Did you buy it at ebay? What was your bid?
Going once...going twice...sold to the small man with the runny nose for 2.3 million.
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Ok, the next highest bid was I believe yours, sir, with 2.1 million.
Yes, well. Were there any serious bids on this item?
I'm currently investigating pitching a move to FreeDOS once I play with it and see if it can allow a program to use more than 640k of RAM
The easiest way to use more than 600 KB of RAM in a program is to use a compiler that supports protected mode. The most popular free compiler targeted for PC DOS protected mode is DJGPP, a port of GCC with a runtime that implements a surprising amount of POSIX. And if you want to put graphics in your program, that's easy too; just install the Allegro library.
Will I retire or break 10K?
The FreeDos website has links to the Dell 360 desktop. The interesting thing I found, was that the default configuration with Windows (any version) selected as the OS costs $2863. The exact same options with Red Hat or Free DOS is only $2234.
Yes, that's right. Dell is rooking $629 for Windows. If that doesn't piss you off enough, read this.
However, I do have to say that I am glad there are now 2 major hardware vendors selling desktop systems with Linux as the only OS. IMHO, this is the only thing that IBM needs to do to solidify their commitment to Linux. I love what they're doing with Linux servers, but I sure wish I could buy a Thinkpad with a hardware modem and Linux.
Do you realize what kind of frame rate you can get in Doom 1 with a 3GHz machine? Hundreds of megabytes of bloated 32-bit OS would only serve to bog things down.
Doom 1, Doom 2, and Heretic have been ported to OpenGL as Doom Legacy. You can use the 3 GHz on your CPU plus whatever 3D acceleration your l33t R4de0n or G3F0rce has. This is true of the Windows port; I don't know whether OpenGL support has been added to the Linux version yet.
Will I retire or break 10K?
The investigation also found plant computer engineering personnel were unaware of a security patch that prevented the worm from working.
Now I hate to deride any of my fellow IT workers but does Davis-Besse employ trained monkeys to run their network? Seriously. In addition to being plastered all over Slashdot and every IT news site in the known universe, it was covered extensively on all the major news networks. That's incompetence folks, plain and simple.
News like this (not to mention the actions of SCO, the RIAA/MPAA keiretsu, and the degredation of freedom in the US through the DMCA, PATRIOT I/II acts, et al.) makes me want to move to the most remote tropical island in the world and set up a benevolent technocracy. Who's with me? :-)
Five steps to get rich:
1. Write a basic boot loader
2. Make pathetic excuse for a kernel
3. Patent it
4. Sue Microsoft and SCO for patent infringement
5. $$$
Oh shit...now my secret's out...
Hope be with ye,
Cyan
DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! You're a hair's breadth beneath the troll threshold on this one.
... DRM has absolutely nothing to do with rights. It should really be called "DPM", for Digital Profit Management, since that's all it is. If this kind of thing becomes widespread "rights" will go right out the window. Who do you believe is best qualified to manage your data: you, or the RIAA? Perhaps you would feel more comfortable with Microsoft pulling your strings. If you choose anyone but yourself, you are giving up control in order to provide someone else with security. That's a defective bargain, my friend, and you would be a fool to make it.
... that's just too bad. Let them gracefully fade into the background noise of history with the rest of the big green lizards, while those of us who walk upright on two legs will use our expanded cranial capacity to enjoy whatever takes their place. This is evolution in action, folks: enjoy the show.
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Where is it written that any organization or business should be guaranteed an unending flow of green? That attitude is about as anti-capitalistic, anti-consumer, anti-innovation and for that matter anti-competitive as I can imagine, and I can imagine quite a lot. Business is supposed to respond to the dictates of the marketplace, not the other way around! And the reason that businesses listen to the market is because of competition: if you aren't keeping your customers happy, why, someone else will. And probably for less money.
Conversely, if you give your customers what they want for a price they are willing and able to pay, they will take care of you. The genius of good business is in finding ways to keep customers happy while still turning a profit. The music industry has not, for nearly thirty years, concerned itself with improving quality or pricing. As a matter of fact, they have given us music that is of poorer quality and lesser variety than ever before, and charge us more for it. And the only way they've been able to get away with that is because they are a monopoly (quite possibly of the illegal kind) and they will do anything to maintain that status.
We already have a perfectly functional music distribution system. It's called "The Internet" and "MP3". I simply will not relinquish control of computer equipment and software that I own in order to provide corporations that I don't like, and won't support, a guaranteed revenue stream. "Rights" my left big toe
By way of comparison, the software industry learned to deal with illegal copying of its "intellectual property" years ago and in spite of "rampant piracy" has still managed to innovate and turn handsome profits. In fact, those companies that eliminated heavy-handed copy-protection and activation schemes are often among the most successful because they put the customer first!
So just who are these people, that they believe they are some kind of national treasure that must be preserved at all costs? If the RIAA and all of its member companies disappeared from the face of earth tomorrow, the music would still go on. And, we would enjoy it all the more since our tastes wouldn't be dictated by a bunch of Pointy Haired Music Executives who may perform market surveys but obviously don't listen to them. Hell, some of us might even learn to (*gasp*) make our own music! Keyboards anyone? Sax?
But more to the point, if these Luddites can't handle the pace and nature of progress and advancing technology
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Can you say Mac OS X 10.3 Panther? According to the page above: "Panther will include a final X11 window server for Unix-based apps, improved NFS/UFS, FreeBSD 5 innovations as well as support for popular Linux APIs, IPv6 and other important acronyms.
There is no trap so deadly as the trap you set for yourself
-Raymond Chandler, The Long Goodbye
Read "Dune" by Frank Herbert, arsehat.
I just signed the petition, posted it's logo all over my webpage, asked all my users to read about it, and sign it if they agree.. The number of signatures is 229044 and counting. I took down the entire web server during the online demonstration too.. not just the frontpage (http://apocalypse.rulez.org).
This is more important than the usual games and anime on the server.
In the eBay EULA under 9. Breach: (c) we believe that your actions may cause financial loss or legal liability for you, our users or us.
Therefore, if they anticipate the item is going to cause legal wrangling, they'll simply pull it. Perhaps that's the clause we should assume eBay is invoking on the sale of the iTunes file.
The seller freely admits he's testing his rights of resale, which means they could be challenged in court. I'm guessing this was a good decision for eBay.
The investigation also found plant computer engineering personnel were unaware of a security patch that prevented the worm from working. Corrective actions include requiring documentation of all external connections to the internal network, installing an additional layer of security software, and ensuring computer personnel review new security patches and install them promptly.
So they are supposed to review the patches that they are unaware of. Sounds to me just like what a PHB would say. How about one of the corrective actions be: to actively watch for the availibility of new security patches.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
News like this ... makes me want to move to the most remote tropical island in the world and set up a benevolent technocracy. Who's with me?
About 20,000 people, that's who. Check out the Free State Project in which 20K people plan to move to one of the lesser-populated US states en masse, register to vote, and begin changing that state into a bastion for freedom.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth gets you modded -1 Troll
Unless they require you to read a contract & sign a contract, this would have no hope in hell (even then).
If I walk into a store, and you sell me a book, you sold me a book. What else you said, or what stickers were on the packaging is irrelevant. It's a sale.. the object is now mine to do with as I see fit, except where other laws prevent it (copyright law, etc).
In order to do what you are suggesting, you would need a signed contract.
An EULA applies to software because you actually have to read AND AGREE by clicking... forcing you to agree to open a package is not good enough... and the validity of EULAs is still up in the air.
Opening a package without reading the label is a lot different han clicking on an "I AGREE" button without reading what you agree to.. one clearly shows something you are supposed to agree to.. the other is just... a sticker.
It's not as simple as you make it out, and if it was, it would be done, by everyone, already.
They had put another strange object with bidding starting at $1,00.
AS you can see there it realy flies, and is not downloadable.
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