I appreciate open source software and all that it gives us. However, to wish for BeOS to be open source is to wish for the death of BeOS. The only way BeOS is going to become opensourced is if Be, Inc. goes under.
This may not apply to you, but it does apply to many people I have had discussions with who are open source advocates. It upsets me to think that juvenile people would wish for the downfall of a company, just to get a look at the code. If you want to see the code, get a job with Be, Inc. Oh, wait. You actually have to be a talented programmer for that.
It seems that many open source advocates call for the open sourcing of BeOS for selfish reasons, like wanting to rip all the cool features out of BeOS and integrate them into Linux, or something just as ridiculous. Let me let you in on a little secret. It would be easier to figure out how to create those features from scratch specifically for Linux, than it would be to try and hack the code from BeOS into Linux. Having those features kludged into Linux doesn't help Linux, and definately doesn't help BeOS, or Be, Inc.
Open source is a death sentence to BeOS. Would you actually use and develop for it if it were open source? Why only then and not now?
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Isn't Apache 2.0 threaded? The reason they couldn't get a successful port of 1.x was because of the forks, IIRC, but with 2.0, the BeOS port is possible.
There are a couple of multithreaded web servers for BeOS out there. One of them is Robin Hood. The other is Poorman (which ships with BeOS). There is at least one more, but I can't remember the name. Until BeOS gets better security and networking, it's a moot point anyway. Just wait until R5 tho... I bet for a mid-range server, BeOS will trounce NT for ease of use, scalability, and cost. I won't make claims against Linux, cause that's not smart...
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go there. check it out. he's even selling e-mail addresses for $25 for one year.. WOOHOO!
I don't know exactly how he got fucker.com, but he's had it since before '96.
Also, go to www.chank.com and pick up some cool ass free fonts. (free beer, not.. nevermind)
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Anyone know if this will compile under BeOS? I mean, is there any code in here that would throw BeOS for a loop? I just want to remotely administer my windoze box from across the room...
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The same guy who did most of the BeOS icons now works in some capacity for QNX. His website is called the Artillion.
Go here to see more of his stuff. He's even got free icons you "free software freaks" might like. :) (if ya can't take a joke...) http://www.artillion.com/
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HAHAHAHAHA! You really expect me to believe that only SERVERS need protected memory, true multitasking, SMP support, etc.? Obviously you've never edited video on a Mac in Media 100, done any audio production work in Pro-Tools, any 3D in Infini-D, or any 2D animation in After Effects, or been pissed when another app takes down your system while you're working on a huge file in Photoshop, and you forgot to save your work before you jumped over to the other app... I have done all of the above and suffered greatly when MacOS went down. When you have to redo 20 minutes to an hour of work, that's 20 minutes to an hour that you CAN'T charge to a client. It's especially embarrasing when the client is in the room with you...
At least with BeOS, WinNT, or Linux (which I wouldn't use as a workstation, but anyway) I don't have to worry about one app crashing the entire system. Especially with BeOS.
I also don't see why you wouldn't want to be able to do more than one thing at a time. I'm constantly checking e-mail while I'm surfing while I'm listening to MP3s while I'm working on graphics while I'm... well, you get the picture. Sure, grandma (read users that the iMac is targeted to) may not NEED multitasking, protected memory, etc., but grandma isn't the only one using MacOS. There are serious designers using it, and they have to deal with these problems on a daily basis.
And I can find my way around on just about ANY computer. They all have a consistency of design if you are using a GUI. They all use the same concepts throughout the navigation of the filesystem. (files, folders, menus, etc.) The window dressing doesn't matter.
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? Oh, I forgot, it's because Daewoo and Microsoft can't figure out how to make a descent boot CD.
Hrm.. I've never tried to boot into Descent before... Wonder what the GUI in that looks like. Do you go down tunnels to get to your files, or do you have to shoot switches to launch programs?
Isn't this arguement tired already?
Get a new OS for your iMac, and I might take you seriously. MacOS is just not acceptable in my book.
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Everyone says that about colored cases these days. The simple fact is, I have yet to see any case that looks as cool as the BeBoxen did. Besides, the BeBox wasn't just about the look of the case... It was about what was in it. Check out the specs on those beasties sometime... www.be.com
If you have a pic, post a link. Otherwise, I'll believe it when I see it. And if you meant the Mac cases, you should be beaten mercilessly.
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Let's see. Since it runs BeOS, the apps written for it are/will be extremely small, and won't take long to download directly to the machine. I think (i could be wrong.. it happens) this thing has USB. What's so hard about hooking up an external drive to this and installing apps, Linux, or whatever else on this thing?
It's not really geared to the tech-heads, or to people looking for a "computer". It's an "internet appliance" and should be looked at as such. If you want a cheap machine that you can configure to your heart's content, there are other alternatives. This thing is geared to the moms and dads and grandparents who just want something to get e-mail with, maybe something to write a letter on (if it has USB, you can hook up a printer to it) check out websites. Basically those same (type of) people who bought WebTVs, but would like the ability to actually run some other software as well. Maybe this will bridge the gap between WebTV and "real computers" for a lot of people.
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Finally, some clarity. I e-mailed the CEO, Rick Latman and received a nice response. The hybrid OS stuff being reported is, as we suspected, incorrect. He said that they had originally planned on adding a "Linux panel", but those plans were cancelled.
"iToaster is a BeOS backend with a customized gui."
With regard to third party development opportunities, he said they will exist. He did warn me that "this is not BeOS as you know it. It is a very specialized version." Hmm.
Interesting tidbit to those of you looking for a BeOS programming job - he said "we are hiring Be programmers as fast as we can find them."
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This iToaster box seems like just the thing, then. BeOS has a simpler, more elegant interface than Windows9x, and this thing (from the screenshots I've seen) has an even simpler interface than the standard BeOS GUI. Also, it comes with a simple web browser (NetPositive) and has Gobe Productive, a very capable office suite, bundled with it. And of course, BeOS comes with a built in e-mail client. Wait and see what this thing really is, and you might just find this fits the bill perfectly.
I may be biased, but at least I'm informed enough to be biased.
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BeOS has no UNIX in it, is not based on a UNIX kernal, it is completely original code. Somewhere there was a rumor started about BeOS being UNIX based, but it's not. It does have a bash shell and is POSIX compliant for the most part, however this misinformation that BeOS is UNIX underneath needs to be cleared up once and for all.
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Bigot (one g) means that you believe others to be inferior to you with no grounds to base it on. Ignorance should never be applauded.
If BeOS were open source, it would die. It may be better supported by those who used it, but everything cool would be stripped out of it, and it would be left a hollow shell.
Use the right tool for the job. If I want to run a server, I'll use Linux. If I want to do graphics, video editing, audio production, or any other media based work, I'll use BeOS. If I want to suffer, I'll use Windoze or MacOS.
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BeOS has not been considered beta for quite some time now.. hence the names R3, R4, R4.5, etc. Those are VERSION numbers. Like Photoshop 3, Photoshop 4, Photoshop 5...
Binary compatibility wasn't broken between any point releases in BeOS, it was broken between two FULL VERSION releases (R3 to R4), not.x releases, and only on the Intel platform. There was a perfectly good reason for this too. ELF is better than PE or whatever they were using before. Why was binary compatibility broken between versions of Linux again?
Just because there is a bit of hardware limitation doesn't mean that BeOS is a beta product. It just means it's only in it's 2nd release on the Intel Platform. Hell, they're doing better than Linux in it's first 2 years...
The fact is, you know NOTHING about what you are so vocal about.. Why don't you just crawl back into your opensource hole and shut your eyes and cover your ears and hope that somebody can make Linux user friendly, faster, prettier, and cleaner than BeOS. Yeah, right.
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If you currently own Release 4, please don't order the $25 upgrade. We will send you a complimentary update automatically, provided that you have registered. You should receive your update by July 7th. Please do not contact customer service regarding your update before this date. Thank you, and we hope you enjoy your new BeOS CD!
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I just did a search on Network Solutions' site for www.fuckgeorgebush.com and it's available.
That's the only one I would want to register anyway.
He may be a great candidate, but I had enough of his father in the white house, and enough of him governing my state to last a lifetime. I can just imagine what he would bring to running the country... Fuck Democrats. Fuck Republicans. Vote Libertarian.
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If it started out as a 500MHz chip, and they O/C it to one GHz, then it's no different than what Intel did, except it will be for sale. There have also been reports on Ars Technica that someone has gotten a Celeron 300a to 633 MHz.
Personally, I would only buy one of these if they had SMP machines like this. mmmm 2GHz. drooooool
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You said it bro! If I could get a case like that, I would pay a large chunk of change for it.
Unfortunately, I'm forced to build one. Me and a friend, with the help of my dad (who used to work on IBM mainframes for the greater part of my life) and an artist who mostly works with metal are going to attempt to make new BeBox-like cases complete with the CPU load meter LEDs on the front.
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Not in this, country...
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The media doesn't report on schoolyard baseball bat massacres in the US. However, in China, where guns are illegal, baseball bats and knifes are the weapons of choice. And there are just as many, if not more homicides using these weapons instead of guns in China than the US.
Gun control is learning how to aim better.
The only thing stopping the government from rounding us up and getting rid of "undesirables" is the fact that there ARE so many guns in the US. If you think getting rid of guns will make us all safer, then you need to look at the situation in Kosovo a little closer. Those citizens don't have guns, and look at what is happening to them...
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I appreciate open source software and all that it gives us. However, to wish for BeOS to be open source is to wish for the death of BeOS. The only way BeOS is going to become opensourced is if Be, Inc. goes under.
This may not apply to you, but it does apply to many people I have had discussions with who are open source advocates. It upsets me to think that juvenile people would wish for the downfall of a company, just to get a look at the code. If you want to see the code, get a job with Be, Inc. Oh, wait. You actually have to be a talented programmer for that.
It seems that many open source advocates call for the open sourcing of BeOS for selfish reasons, like wanting to rip all the cool features out of BeOS and integrate them into Linux, or something just as ridiculous. Let me let you in on a little secret. It would be easier to figure out how to create those features from scratch specifically for Linux, than it would be to try and hack the code from BeOS into Linux. Having those features kludged into Linux doesn't help Linux, and definately doesn't help BeOS, or Be, Inc.
Open source is a death sentence to BeOS. Would you actually use and develop for it if it were open source? Why only then and not now?
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I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
Isn't Apache 2.0 threaded? The reason they couldn't get a successful port of 1.x was because of the forks, IIRC, but with 2.0, the BeOS port is possible.
There are a couple of multithreaded web servers for BeOS out there. One of them is Robin Hood. The other is Poorman (which ships with BeOS). There is at least one more, but I can't remember the name. Until BeOS gets better security and networking, it's a moot point anyway. Just wait until R5 tho... I bet for a mid-range server, BeOS will trounce NT for ease of use, scalability, and cost. I won't make claims against Linux, cause that's not smart...
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I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
go there. check it out. he's even selling e-mail addresses for $25 for one year.. WOOHOO!
I don't know exactly how he got fucker.com, but he's had it since before '96.
Also, go to www.chank.com and pick up some cool ass free fonts. (free beer, not.. nevermind)
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Anyone know if this will compile under BeOS? I mean, is there any code in here that would throw BeOS for a loop? I just want to remotely administer my windoze box from across the room...
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The same guy who did most of the BeOS icons now works in some capacity for QNX. His website is called the Artillion.
Go here to see more of his stuff. He's even got free icons you "free software freaks" might like.
:) (if ya can't take a joke...)
http://www.artillion.com/
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HAHAHAHAHA! You really expect me to believe that only SERVERS need protected memory, true multitasking, SMP support, etc.? Obviously you've never edited video on a Mac in Media 100, done any audio production work in Pro-Tools, any 3D in Infini-D, or any 2D animation in After Effects, or been pissed when another app takes down your system while you're working on a huge file in Photoshop, and you forgot to save your work before you jumped over to the other app...
I have done all of the above and suffered greatly when MacOS went down. When you have to redo 20 minutes to an hour of work, that's 20 minutes to an hour that you CAN'T charge to a client. It's especially embarrasing when the client is in the room with you...
At least with BeOS, WinNT, or Linux (which I wouldn't use as a workstation, but anyway) I don't have to worry about one app crashing the entire system. Especially with BeOS.
I also don't see why you wouldn't want to be able to do more than one thing at a time. I'm constantly checking e-mail while I'm surfing while I'm listening to MP3s while I'm working on graphics while I'm... well, you get the picture. Sure, grandma (read users that the iMac is targeted to) may not NEED multitasking, protected memory, etc., but grandma isn't the only one using MacOS. There are serious designers using it, and they have to deal with these problems on a daily basis.
And I can find my way around on just about ANY computer. They all have a consistency of design if you are using a GUI. They all use the same concepts throughout the navigation of the filesystem. (files, folders, menus, etc.) The window dressing doesn't matter.
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? Oh, I forgot, it's because Daewoo and Microsoft can't figure out how to make a descent boot CD.
Hrm.. I've never tried to boot into Descent before... Wonder what the GUI in that looks like. Do you go down tunnels to get to your files, or do you have to shoot switches to launch programs?
Isn't this arguement tired already?
Get a new OS for your iMac, and I might take you seriously. MacOS is just not acceptable in my book.
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....look kinda like the old BeBox!)
Everyone says that about colored cases these days. The simple fact is, I have yet to see any case that looks as cool as the BeBoxen did. Besides, the BeBox wasn't just about the look of the case... It was about what was in it. Check out the specs on those beasties sometime... www.be.com
If you have a pic, post a link. Otherwise, I'll believe it when I see it. And if you meant the Mac cases, you should be beaten mercilessly.
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Let's see. Since it runs BeOS, the apps written for it are/will be extremely small, and won't take long to download directly to the machine. I think (i could be wrong.. it happens) this thing has USB. What's so hard about hooking up an external drive to this and installing apps, Linux, or whatever else on this thing?
It's not really geared to the tech-heads, or to people looking for a "computer". It's an "internet appliance" and should be looked at as such. If you want a cheap machine that you can configure to your heart's content, there are other alternatives. This thing is geared to the moms and dads and grandparents who just want something to get e-mail with, maybe something to write a letter on (if it has USB, you can hook up a printer to it) check out websites. Basically those same (type of) people who bought WebTVs, but would like the ability to actually run some other software as well. Maybe this will bridge the gap between WebTV and "real computers" for a lot of people.
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I run BeOS. The rules don't apply.
Finally, some clarity. I e-mailed the CEO, Rick Latman and received a nice response. The hybrid OS stuff being reported is, as we suspected, incorrect. He said that they had originally planned on adding a "Linux panel", but those plans were cancelled.
"iToaster is a BeOS backend with a customized gui."
With regard to third party development opportunities, he said they will exist. He did warn me that "this is not BeOS as you know it. It is a very specialized version." Hmm.
Interesting tidbit to those of you looking for a BeOS programming job - he said "we are hiring Be programmers as fast as we can find them."
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This iToaster box seems like just the thing, then. BeOS has a simpler, more elegant interface than Windows9x, and this thing (from the screenshots I've seen) has an even simpler interface than the standard BeOS GUI. Also, it comes with a simple web browser (NetPositive) and has Gobe Productive, a very capable office suite, bundled with it. And of course, BeOS comes with a built in e-mail client. Wait and see what this thing really is, and you might just find this fits the bill perfectly.
I may be biased, but at least I'm informed enough to be biased.
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sorry. that was too funny not to do...
BeOS has no UNIX in it, is not based on a UNIX kernal, it is completely original code. Somewhere there was a rumor started about BeOS being UNIX based, but it's not. It does have a bash shell and is POSIX compliant for the most part, however this misinformation that BeOS is UNIX underneath needs to be cleared up once and for all.
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BeOS used LILO in R3, but with R4 came Bootman, Be's own boot manager. so to answer your question, no. BeOS doesn't use LILO anymore.
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Bigot (one g) means that you believe others to be inferior to you with no grounds to base it on. Ignorance should never be applauded.
If BeOS were open source, it would die. It may be better supported by those who used it, but everything cool would be stripped out of it, and it would be left a hollow shell.
Use the right tool for the job. If I want to run a server, I'll use Linux. If I want to do graphics, video editing, audio production, or any other media based work, I'll use BeOS. If I want to suffer, I'll use Windoze or MacOS.
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BeOS has not been considered beta for quite some time now.. hence the names R3, R4, R4.5, etc. Those are VERSION numbers. Like Photoshop 3, Photoshop 4, Photoshop 5...
.x releases, and only on the Intel platform. There was a perfectly good reason for this too. ELF is better than PE or whatever they were using before.
Binary compatibility wasn't broken between any point releases in BeOS, it was broken between two FULL VERSION releases (R3 to R4), not
Why was binary compatibility broken between versions of Linux again?
Just because there is a bit of hardware limitation doesn't mean that BeOS is a beta product. It just means it's only in it's 2nd release on the Intel Platform. Hell, they're doing better than Linux in it's first 2 years...
The fact is, you know NOTHING about what you are so vocal about.. Why don't you just crawl back into your opensource hole and shut your eyes and cover your ears and hope that somebody can make Linux user friendly, faster, prettier, and cleaner than BeOS. Yeah, right.
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If you currently own Release 4, please don't
order the $25 upgrade. We will send you a
complimentary update automatically, provided
that you have registered. You should receive
your update by July 7th. Please do not contact
customer service regarding your update before
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As seen on bedepot:
If you currently own Release 4, please don't
order the $25 upgrade. We will send you a
complimentary update automatically, provided
that you have registered. You should receive
your update by July 7th. Please do not contact
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DON'T liken BeOS to Windoze. You just show your ignorance. The only thing BeOS and Windows have in common is they both run on Intel machines. BFD.
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I just did a search on Network Solutions' site for www.fuckgeorgebush.com and it's available.
That's the only one I would want to register anyway.
He may be a great candidate, but I had enough of his father in the white house, and enough of him governing my state to last a lifetime. I can just imagine what he would bring to running the country...
Fuck Democrats.
Fuck Republicans.
Vote Libertarian.
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I read something a week or two ago that said there would be a version of BeOS running on StrongARM procs. Cool stuff!
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Duh, I know that... I meant is Kryotec going to build SMP systems that are OCed to 1GHz? Probably not, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
All I said was that I wouldn't want one of these supercooled systems unless it was an SMP rig.
ya jerk!
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If it started out as a 500MHz chip, and they O/C it to one GHz, then it's no different than what Intel did, except it will be for sale. There have also been reports on Ars Technica that someone has gotten a Celeron 300a to 633 MHz.
Personally, I would only buy one of these if they had SMP machines like this. mmmm 2GHz. drooooool
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You said it bro! If I could get a case like that, I would pay a large chunk of change for it.
Unfortunately, I'm forced to build one. Me and a friend, with the help of my dad (who used to work on IBM mainframes for the greater part of my life) and an artist who mostly works with metal are going to attempt to make new BeBox-like cases complete with the CPU load meter LEDs on the front.
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The media doesn't report on schoolyard baseball bat massacres in the US. However, in China, where guns are illegal, baseball bats and knifes are the weapons of choice. And there are just as many, if not more homicides using these weapons instead of guns in China than the US.
Gun control is learning how to aim better.
The only thing stopping the government from rounding us up and getting rid of "undesirables" is the fact that there ARE so many guns in the US. If you think getting rid of guns will make us all safer, then you need to look at the situation in Kosovo a little closer. Those citizens don't have guns, and look at what is happening to them...
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The Zealotry...
Take a joke or something... Sheesh!
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