Hmmm... mind I don;t know anything about this, so I could be off my rocker.
But wouldn't the thickness of the roll start to get in the way at some point? I mean, after looking through several inches of tape to get to the last layers, what you see is gonna be pretty murky -- I don't care how "clear" the tape is.
If your roll's only 2" then it's not a big issue, especially since if you look from the inside, that's less that 1" to look through at any given time.
But when you get up towards your 10" size, I suspect that you will only be able to "look" so deep. Either that, or your storage compression (ie: bytes per inch) is gonna go downhill pretty fast.
Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that a simple comparaison of the respective lengths of a 2" and a 10" roll probably won't give you a terribly good idea of how much you can store on said 10" roll.
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> Where is the CD key? >The first 3,000 Quake III tin boxes have the CD Key on a sticker on the last page of the manual. >All other Quake III tin boxes have the CD Key on a sticker on the back of the CD jewel case.
If that doesn't help, personally I'd suggest you call Loki (301-856-7629) in person and don't let go until they can resolve this issue.
I mean, jeez... you paid for the game and you have a right to expect it to work! If they don't give you an answer, then get your money back. I guess I just don't understand how you could "resign" yourself to losing $50, just like that. I'd be screaming bloody murder at this point.
Well... not quite... but I wouldn't want to be the person answering my call...:-)
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Ok. I submit to you that Britain is a better country than the USA.
Want the proof? Just visit the countries. You can travel to both.
I mean, you haven't answered the question. Note that I know next to nothing about thread design, implementation, or whatnot. So I'm not talking specifically about the assertion that Solaris' threads are better than Linux's.
However, simply saying "Just read the source" as a reason for something is no reason at all...
I, for one, don't know much about them, however I am interested in finding out. If I were to look at the source code, I wouldn't know much about what I was looking at, or why either one is better than the other. But I am interested in people's opinions on the matter. I trust that if someone gives a reason, that it would be correct, and I can file that away for future use.
But just looking at the source would tell me nothing.
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The quote is: "Any Linux advocate who says Delphi is not welcome in the Linux space is a hypocrite." (Emphasis mine). This is not a matter of advocating Delphi or not, this is a matter of trying to turn it away entirely.
Meaning that: (1)Borland tries to make a Linux version of Delphi. (2)"Linux Advocate" admonishes that they are not welcome. (3)Borland takes this to heart and stops development. (4)Other people don't get to use it.
This meaning other people who have no problem with the freedom (or lack thereof) of said Delphi For Linux (DFL). People who would be willing to use it anyway. Ergo, they are deprived of the choice of using DFL, if they so desire.
Hence, the advocates of an operating system that claims to be all about choice, have in fact, restricted the choice of others.
They don't have to use the non-free DFL themselves, but neither should they have attempted to stop its development.
In that sense, they are hypocrites, and I think that's what Mr. Thorpe was getting at.
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It's nowhere near ready for use yet. In fact, it's so early in development that it doesn't really have much of a homepage. You can't download it, except from GNOME CVS, and few people know about it.
But it exists.
It's called GNOME Basic.
Basically, it's an offshoot of Gnumeric, which is the default GNOME spreadsheet. Since Gnumeric is intended to be feature-for-feature compatible with Microsoft Excel, one of those features is the built-in scripting language, VBA.
So, they decided to do a VBA clone, and it is turning into something that can run VB code.
Note that it is very early, under development, and does not yet have an IDE (just a compiler). Its homepage (as such) is here.
Enjoy!
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Ok. I disagree, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, since I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before (I'd be surprised if you haven't) and I doubt anything I can say will change your mind at this point.
But either way, I suspect that Helix plans on making money in much the same way as Red Hat has.
And for the record, I consider it paying for convenience. And I've paid for Red Hat (more than once). And I plan on paying for Helix.
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Okay, Red Hat is a commercial concern. But I continue to fail to understand how they are going to make money with Linux.
Do they plan to sell a shrink wrapped box on the shelves of Fry's? Why in the world should I buy it when it's already available on (insert FTP site here)? Are they only counting on the ignorant for sales? And if it seriously becomes so bloated that people won't download it, why not just get a $2 CD from Cheapbytes instead?
Or do they plan to go IPO and rake in cash from ignorant investors instead?
Or do they plan to make money through support? I don't think so, unless they're truly machiavellian. Consider that the better they make their product the less support it will need. If this is to be the easiest to use operating system, simple enough even for your grandmother, who's going to need support?
Or are they going to create closed source addons for Linux and sell those instead? This would be highly unusual (and hypocritical) since a lot of Linux components come from GNU.
The only thing I can think of is so they can sell manuals. So why then are they a software company instead of a publishing house?
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I answered, like, 93 questions... and I'm still a... "Microserf".
BLECH!!!
(on a side note, though, Q.198 was interesting. "Did you cheat on this test?" Well... no, but then if I click this box, then yes, thereby cheating in the process. That means that I have, so I'd be right. But... wait. That would mean that I hadn't cheated... so... so... so... ummmmmm.
Urk.
Must get back to "Gödel, Escher, Bach".
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As has been explained time and time again, they are not in the business of disabling accounts for any reason, and feel that it would only be a detriment to Free Speech. Neither that acccount, nor "Bruce Perens." nor "Bruce Penis" will be disabled, as explained by CmdrTaco many times.
He may be childish, he may be an imposter, but he still has the right to say his piece.
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Sure, that's pretty much what I run (GNOME, with Sawmill and a nice Marble3D theme).
Like I said, you may agree or disagree that Linux/X looks like crap (personally, I disagree. I happen to think it can look very nice), but at least state that. At least address the issue, rather than ignore it.
That's all I was getting at.
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Re: This whole groupware thing. Personally, I am inclined to agree with you. With a few minor exceptions, email and textfiles serve my purposes quite fine.
All I can say is: try telling that to the IS head at my company. And that's where Linux for the corporate office falls down.
The tech guys (such as myself) can usually handle it just fine right now. It's the other people -- the sort that like big, fancy GUIs for everything -- those are the ones we have to convince.
And they're the ones I would like to be able to convince, since that would mean that I'd no longer have to use Windows at work:-)
When it comes to these sorts of situations, the GUI is all (well... almost all...).
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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), we seem to have come to the root of the problem here.
Someone posted a valid complaint, and the only response to it was: "Come back when you have comething to say."
Well, maybe he actually was saying something, and you should think about that, rather than just ignoring it.
Now, granted, he didn't exactly put it in the best of words, but the fact is, a lot of users don't put things in the best terms possible.
If someone comes up and gives a detailed bug report about what is wrong with such-and-such underlying technology, and why it's wrong, and what to do to fix it, that would be nice. But the thing is, that such a person (if they had enough interest to point out the problem in the first place) is probably already working on the development team for that program!
No, your average user who is looking at Linux, is probably going to come back with criticism very much along the lines of, "it looks like shit."
And that's basically what that person did. It may not be nice, it may not be terribly specific, and detailed. It may not even be "substantial," but it probably will be important to that person, otherwise they would not have mentioned it.
Maybe looks don't matter much to you, but they do to some people, and I've heard that sincle criticism many times, to perhaps it warrants more than an off-the cuff remark, and being ignored.
Arrrgh. I never meant to turn this into a rant.
Anyway. Whether you agree that KDE (or any other Linux UI) looks like shit is a different issue. As is whether or not you agree we should be trying to develop to such people. But in no matter which case, saying they found "the single weakest way to criticize KDE rather than stating something of substance" is possibly the worst response possible. It is you doing exactly that which you accuse them of.
It's that bridge between developers (who know in detail what they're working with) and end-users (who usually don't) that we have to try to make. This sort of thing is precisely the reason that Linux is not yet ready for (most people's) desktop.
*steps guiltily off soapbox*
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Ok. This is all IMHO, culled from what I've seen and talked to people and so on. Note that none of these apps are ones that I would need myself, that's why I haven't started work on any of them. I wouldn't know exactly what is/is not needed. But anyway...
Linux still needs 4 apps to be able to be an all-around useful desktop OS. Note: I'm not talking stuff needed by a graphics specialist or anything here, just something that your average corporation could use on all its workers' desktops.
As an aside: why does it need all these? Simple. In a corporation, different people do different jobs. Yet since they all need to share data, they need to use the same OS. Or at least, it helps. Support people usually don't like having to work with disparate systems.
What this means in my company is that I, as a developer, need software development tools. I also have to share documents with the documentation people, who need good writing tools. They have to share stuff with the printers, who need good desktop publication, graphics tools. I also have to work with my project manager, who needs good project management, source code control tools. And, I have to sent in timesheets and stuff to Human Resources, who need good accounting, spreadsheet tools. Finally, I have to talk to my customers and the people in head office, so I need good groupware, email tools. Get the picture? Any OS used on the desktops here needs to be good at a lot of really different things.
Anyway, on with the show. The 4 apps that are needed but aren't here at all yet:
4. A Vector-Based Drawing App Ok. From what I've been hearing, there are a number of apps that are starting to do this. Sketch, I think... and mebbe a few others. Plus Corel is making rumblings about porting CorelDraw!. Mebbe by the end of the year, we'll have something here. Next!
3. A Quicken Clone Something to do financial stuff in. Taxes. That sorta stuff. Again, there are a few offerings under development. gAcc is one I've heard of, and possibly somthing on the KDE side as well. Same comments apply as to category 1.
2. Groupware So... where's the Groupware? (*ahem* Groupware? Oops!) Here, I'm talking about LotusNotes, MS-Exchange -type stuff. Ok, so Exchange isn't very good at it... it's still better than anything we can cough up. I use just some of the stuff that LotusNotes does, and I've yet to see anything similar in Linux. Until there is, it's not ready for corporate. Domino is available for Linux, so maybe something can be built on top of that, but a GUI would be nice as well as the library.
...and on to the show-stopper...
1. Project Management Software Ok. Where is it? I'll tell you what, it doesn't exist. Something like MS-Project. Something that can correlate resources, schedule a project, mark out deadlines, throw up a Gantt Chart or 2. Every single office suite out there (Applix, StarOffice, KOffice, GNOME Office) has totally ignored this vital application. And until it exists, I can tell you for sure that the company I work for will not be using Linux. This despite the fact that our head of development (no, not me) is an avid Linux fan, and reads this site daily.
So, guys. When's it coming?
(Disclaimer: don't get me wrong. I'm not whining. I greatly appreciate what has been done so far; I'm just trying to point out some things that aren't there yet and really need to be. That Project Management App is a biggie, and so far, I have yet to see anyone so much as discuss it. As I said earlier, I'd do it, but I don't use them on a regular basis, and it's not my itch to scratch, so to speak. Maybe some day when I have more free time than I do now...)
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Ok, my bad, then. I know he did a lot of research before writing one of his major works; I thought it was Foundation. However, if you know better, then I'll accept that.
I still stand by my assertion that he knows more about economics than Bruce Sterling apparently does, however.
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> you do realize that those books are fiction, right?
True, but the person who wrote them was an economist. (As well as a chemist. As well as a linguist. As well as... he knows lots of subjects.) But the point is, Asimov knows what he's talking about when he discusses such things. He did a good deal (ie: several years' worth) of research before he wrote the first Foundation trilogy.
At any rate, from what the short blurb at the bottom of the Fortune story said, I'd say Asimov has better credentials to has name than this Bruce Sterling guy.
(Of course, if anyone knows better... ie: if, in fact, Bruce Sterling is a noted economist or something, feel free to point the fact out!)
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True, but that's mostly just due to poor HTML (good design, but poor code). I think he must have used some sort of generator to do it. Not a WYSIWYG editor, but at least some code-generation scripts.
After simply removing whitespace, comments, unnecessary tags (such as </P>) and some unnecessary table structures, I was able to take it down to 14k.
Then, I noticed he used <FONT> tags poorly; basically repeated them for each of the COLOR, FACE and SIZE attributes. Re-arragning these got me down to just under 9k.
Finally, I didn't do this, but I suspect that if you got rid of the <FONT> tags altogether, in favour of CSS, he could have pared it down to the 5k limit. And, as someone else mentioned, the thing about CSS is that if a browser doesn't recognize it, it'll just ignore it, and the page will still display, just not quite as the author intended.
So the design is still valid, it's just a poor implementation.
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> And what does #c3c3c3 translate to? I remember that that was the 'perfect' Netscape grey under X11, so I imagine that translates to 192,192,192, as both Netscape & Mosaic use Motif...
Nope. #C3C3C3 is (195,195,195). (192,192,192) is #C0C0C0.
Simple calculator operations:-)
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There were 2 different pre-announcement Transmeta pages. For about a month or so before the Jan 19th (?) launch, they had one with a couple of nice graphics and so on.
But for years before that one came out (early Dec 99), they had a very very simple page. It basically ran something along the lines of:
<HTML> This page is not here yet. <!-- There are no hidden messages in this webpage.--> <!-- There are no tyops in this webpage.--> </HTML>
The original poster seems to be a bit confused as to which was which. The second was -- as you can see -- definitely under 5k. The former (with the images) would have been a lot closer to that limit. I'm not sure which generated more discussion.
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Slashdot Mirror
Ha!
I edited the Inodes by hand!
With Magnets!
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Exactly. Ever heard of Expropriation?
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Hmmm... mind I don;t know anything about this, so I could be off my rocker.
But wouldn't the thickness of the roll start to get in the way at some point? I mean, after looking through several inches of tape to get to the last layers, what you see is gonna be pretty murky -- I don't care how "clear" the tape is.
If your roll's only 2" then it's not a big issue, especially since if you look from the inside, that's less that 1" to look through at any given time.
But when you get up towards your 10" size, I suspect that you will only be able to "look" so deep. Either that, or your storage compression (ie: bytes per inch) is gonna go downhill pretty fast.
Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that a simple comparaison of the respective lengths of a 2" and a 10" roll probably won't give you a terribly good idea of how much you can store on said 10" roll.
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This is from the Loki website:
:-)
> Where is the CD key?
>The first 3,000 Quake III tin boxes have the CD Key on a sticker on the last page of the manual.
>All other Quake III tin boxes have the CD Key on a sticker on the back of the CD jewel case.
If that doesn't help, personally I'd suggest you call Loki (301-856-7629) in person and don't let go until they can resolve this issue.
I mean, jeez... you paid for the game and you have a right to expect it to work! If they don't give you an answer, then get your money back. I guess I just don't understand how you could "resign" yourself to losing $50, just like that. I'd be screaming bloody murder at this point.
Well... not quite... but I wouldn't want to be the person answering my call...
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>Just read the source, it's available for both.
Ok. I submit to you that Britain is a better country than the USA.
Want the proof? Just visit the countries. You can travel to both.
I mean, you haven't answered the question. Note that I know next to nothing about thread design, implementation, or whatnot. So I'm not talking specifically about the assertion that Solaris' threads are better than Linux's.
However, simply saying "Just read the source" as a reason for something is no reason at all...
I, for one, don't know much about them, however I am interested in finding out. If I were to look at the source code, I wouldn't know much about what I was looking at, or why either one is better than the other. But I am interested in people's opinions on the matter. I trust that if someone gives a reason, that it would be correct, and I can file that away for future use.
But just looking at the source would tell me nothing.
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I think you're misreading the comment he made...
The quote is: "Any Linux advocate who says Delphi is not welcome in the Linux space is a hypocrite." (Emphasis mine). This is not a matter of advocating Delphi or not, this is a matter of trying to turn it away entirely.
Meaning that:
(1)Borland tries to make a Linux version of Delphi.
(2)"Linux Advocate" admonishes that they are not welcome.
(3)Borland takes this to heart and stops development.
(4)Other people don't get to use it.
This meaning other people who have no problem with the freedom (or lack thereof) of said Delphi For Linux (DFL). People who would be willing to use it anyway. Ergo, they are deprived of the choice of using DFL, if they so desire.
Hence, the advocates of an operating system that claims to be all about choice, have in fact, restricted the choice of others.
They don't have to use the non-free DFL themselves, but neither should they have attempted to stop its development.
In that sense, they are hypocrites, and I think that's what Mr. Thorpe was getting at.
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It's nowhere near ready for use yet. In fact, it's so early in development that it doesn't really have much of a homepage. You can't download it, except from GNOME CVS, and few people know about it.
But it exists.
It's called GNOME Basic.
Basically, it's an offshoot of Gnumeric, which is the default GNOME spreadsheet. Since Gnumeric is intended to be feature-for-feature compatible with Microsoft Excel, one of those features is the built-in scripting language, VBA.
So, they decided to do a VBA clone, and it is turning into something that can run VB code.
Note that it is very early, under development, and does not yet have an IDE (just a compiler). Its homepage (as such) is here.
Enjoy!
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*shrug*
Ok. I disagree, but I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, since I'm sure you've heard all the arguments before (I'd be surprised if you haven't) and I doubt anything I can say will change your mind at this point.
But either way, I suspect that Helix plans on making money in much the same way as Red Hat has.
And for the record, I consider it paying for convenience. And I've paid for Red Hat (more than once). And I plan on paying for Helix.
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Okay, Red Hat is a commercial concern. But I continue to fail to understand how they are going to make money with Linux.
Do they plan to sell a shrink wrapped box on the shelves of Fry's? Why in the world should I buy it when it's already available on (insert FTP site here)? Are they only counting on the ignorant for sales? And if it seriously becomes so bloated that people won't download it, why not just get a $2 CD from Cheapbytes instead?
Or do they plan to go IPO and rake in cash from ignorant investors instead?
Or do they plan to make money through support? I don't think so, unless they're truly machiavellian. Consider that the better they make their product the less support it will need. If this is to be the easiest to use operating system, simple enough even for your grandmother, who's going to need support?
Or are they going to create closed source addons for Linux and sell those instead? This would be highly unusual (and hypocritical) since a lot of Linux components come from GNU.
The only thing I can think of is so they can sell manuals. So why then are they a software company instead of a publishing house?
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"The remote server refuses to perform this request."
Hmmm... seems like they plugged that one pretty quickly!
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Tell me about it!
I answered, like, 93 questions... and I'm still a... "Microserf".
BLECH!!!
(on a side note, though, Q.198 was interesting. "Did you cheat on this test?" Well... no, but then if I click this box, then yes, thereby cheating in the process. That means that I have, so I'd be right. But... wait. That would mean that I hadn't cheated... so... so... so... ummmmmm.
Urk.
Must get back to "Gödel, Escher, Bach".
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*sigh*
As has been explained time and time again, they are not in the business of disabling accounts for any reason, and feel that it would only be a detriment to Free Speech. Neither that acccount, nor "Bruce Perens." nor "Bruce Penis" will be disabled, as explained by CmdrTaco many times.
He may be childish, he may be an imposter, but he still has the right to say his piece.
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Hmmm... didn't know about that one.
Mebbe I'll check it out... thanks for the tip!
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Sure, that's pretty much what I run (GNOME, with Sawmill and a nice Marble3D theme).
Like I said, you may agree or disagree that Linux/X looks like crap (personally, I disagree. I happen to think it can look very nice), but at least state that. At least address the issue, rather than ignore it.
That's all I was getting at.
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Re: This whole groupware thing. Personally, I am inclined to agree with you. With a few minor exceptions, email and textfiles serve my purposes quite fine.
:-)
All I can say is: try telling that to the IS head at my company. And that's where Linux for the corporate office falls down.
The tech guys (such as myself) can usually handle it just fine right now. It's the other people -- the sort that like big, fancy GUIs for everything -- those are the ones we have to convince.
And they're the ones I would like to be able to convince, since that would mean that I'd no longer have to use Windows at work
When it comes to these sorts of situations, the GUI is all (well... almost all...).
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Unfortunately, when everyone else uses it, you don't have many other options.
For exactly the same reason that once they push a new version out the door, you don't have very long before you have to upgrade.
*sigh*
Sucks, don't it?
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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), we seem to have come to the root of the problem here.
Someone posted a valid complaint, and the only response to it was: "Come back when you have comething to say."
Well, maybe he actually was saying something, and you should think about that, rather than just ignoring it.
Now, granted, he didn't exactly put it in the best of words, but the fact is, a lot of users don't put things in the best terms possible.
If someone comes up and gives a detailed bug report about what is wrong with such-and-such underlying technology, and why it's wrong, and what to do to fix it, that would be nice. But the thing is, that such a person (if they had enough interest to point out the problem in the first place) is probably already working on the development team for that program!
No, your average user who is looking at Linux, is probably going to come back with criticism very much along the lines of, "it looks like shit."
And that's basically what that person did. It may not be nice, it may not be terribly specific, and detailed. It may not even be "substantial," but it probably will be important to that person, otherwise they would not have mentioned it.
Maybe looks don't matter much to you, but they do to some people, and I've heard that sincle criticism many times, to perhaps it warrants more than an off-the cuff remark, and being ignored.
Arrrgh. I never meant to turn this into a rant.
Anyway. Whether you agree that KDE (or any other Linux UI) looks like shit is a different issue. As is whether or not you agree we should be trying to develop to such people. But in no matter which case, saying they found "the single weakest way to criticize KDE rather than stating something of substance" is possibly the worst response possible. It is you doing exactly that which you accuse them of.
It's that bridge between developers (who know in detail what they're working with) and end-users (who usually don't) that we have to try to make. This sort of thing is precisely the reason that Linux is not yet ready for (most people's) desktop.
*steps guiltily off soapbox*
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The only thing I can think of is the Berlin project. http://berlin.sourceforge.net/
Dunno if that's what you meant, though. If you were referring to something else, I'd like to know about it!
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Ok. This is all IMHO, culled from what I've seen and talked to people and so on. Note that none of these apps are ones that I would need myself, that's why I haven't started work on any of them. I wouldn't know exactly what is/is not needed. But anyway...
...and on to the show-stopper...
Linux still needs 4 apps to be able to be an all-around useful desktop OS. Note: I'm not talking stuff needed by a graphics specialist or anything here, just something that your average corporation could use on all its workers' desktops.
As an aside: why does it need all these? Simple. In a corporation, different people do different jobs. Yet since they all need to share data, they need to use the same OS. Or at least, it helps. Support people usually don't like having to work with disparate systems.
What this means in my company is that I, as a developer, need software development tools. I also have to share documents with the documentation people, who need good writing tools. They have to share stuff with the printers, who need good desktop publication, graphics tools. I also have to work with my project manager, who needs good project management, source code control tools. And, I have to sent in timesheets and stuff to Human Resources, who need good accounting, spreadsheet tools. Finally, I have to talk to my customers and the people in head office, so I need good groupware, email tools. Get the picture? Any OS used on the desktops here needs to be good at a lot of really different things.
Anyway, on with the show. The 4 apps that are needed but aren't here at all yet:
4. A Vector-Based Drawing App
Ok. From what I've been hearing, there are a number of apps that are starting to do this. Sketch, I think... and mebbe a few others. Plus Corel is making rumblings about porting CorelDraw!. Mebbe by the end of the year, we'll have something here. Next!
3. A Quicken Clone
Something to do financial stuff in. Taxes. That sorta stuff. Again, there are a few offerings under development. gAcc is one I've heard of, and possibly somthing on the KDE side as well. Same comments apply as to category 1.
2. Groupware
So... where's the Groupware? (*ahem* Groupware? Oops!) Here, I'm talking about LotusNotes, MS-Exchange -type stuff. Ok, so Exchange isn't very good at it... it's still better than anything we can cough up. I use just some of the stuff that LotusNotes does, and I've yet to see anything similar in Linux. Until there is, it's not ready for corporate. Domino is available for Linux, so maybe something can be built on top of that, but a GUI would be nice as well as the library.
1. Project Management Software
Ok. Where is it? I'll tell you what, it doesn't exist. Something like MS-Project. Something that can correlate resources, schedule a project, mark out deadlines, throw up a Gantt Chart or 2. Every single office suite out there (Applix, StarOffice, KOffice, GNOME Office) has totally ignored this vital application. And until it exists, I can tell you for sure that the company I work for will not be using Linux. This despite the fact that our head of development (no, not me) is an avid Linux fan, and reads this site daily.
So, guys. When's it coming?
(Disclaimer: don't get me wrong. I'm not whining. I greatly appreciate what has been done so far; I'm just trying to point out some things that aren't there yet and really need to be. That Project Management App is a biggie, and so far, I have yet to see anyone so much as discuss it. As I said earlier, I'd do it, but I don't use them on a regular basis, and it's not my itch to scratch, so to speak. Maybe some day when I have more free time than I do now...)
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Ok, my bad, then. I know he did a lot of research before writing one of his major works; I thought it was Foundation. However, if you know better, then I'll accept that.
I still stand by my assertion that he knows more about economics than Bruce Sterling apparently does, however.
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> you do realize that those books are fiction, right?
True, but the person who wrote them was an economist. (As well as a chemist. As well as a linguist. As well as... he knows lots of subjects.) But the point is, Asimov knows what he's talking about when he discusses such things. He did a good deal (ie: several years' worth) of research before he wrote the first Foundation trilogy.
At any rate, from what the short blurb at the bottom of the Fortune story said, I'd say Asimov has better credentials to has name than this Bruce Sterling guy.
(Of course, if anyone knows better... ie: if, in fact, Bruce Sterling is a noted economist or something, feel free to point the fact out!)
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> It's 17.5Kb
True, but that's mostly just due to poor HTML (good design, but poor code). I think he must have used some sort of generator to do it. Not a WYSIWYG editor, but at least some code-generation scripts.
After simply removing whitespace, comments, unnecessary tags (such as </P>) and some unnecessary table structures, I was able to take it down to 14k.
Then, I noticed he used <FONT> tags poorly; basically repeated them for each of the COLOR, FACE and SIZE attributes. Re-arragning these got me down to just under 9k.
Finally, I didn't do this, but I suspect that if you got rid of the <FONT> tags altogether, in favour of CSS, he could have pared it down to the 5k limit. And, as someone else mentioned, the thing about CSS is that if a browser doesn't recognize it, it'll just ignore it, and the page will still display, just not quite as the author intended.
So the design is still valid, it's just a poor implementation.
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> And what does #c3c3c3 translate to? I remember that that was the 'perfect' Netscape grey under X11, so I imagine that translates to 192,192,192, as both Netscape & Mosaic use Motif...
:-)
Nope. #C3C3C3 is (195,195,195). (192,192,192) is #C0C0C0.
Simple calculator operations
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There were 2 different pre-announcement Transmeta pages. For about a month or so before the Jan 19th (?) launch, they had one with a couple of nice graphics and so on.
But for years before that one came out (early Dec 99), they had a very very simple page. It basically ran something along the lines of:
<HTML>
This page is not here yet.
<!-- There are no hidden messages in this webpage.-->
<!-- There are no tyops in this webpage.-->
</HTML>
The original poster seems to be a bit confused as to which was which. The second was -- as you can see -- definitely under 5k. The former (with the images) would have been a lot closer to that limit. I'm not sure which generated more discussion.
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Err... nevermind.
*blushes*
Seems that maybe I should take a bit of my own advice...
Egg on my face for that one!
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