These types of things will need to be changed at the core level (I don't mean core as in Kernel, just deep-core). No GUI program can stick a input box for LP switches. That's silly. I love printing in Windows. There is nothing to it! These types of things need to be changed completely. But like I said, all control STILL remains because of the openness.:)
To change the Linux system would require loss of the tight control and configurability we expect from Linux. Just as Windows uses arrays of Dialog Boxes to configure everything, Linux would need the same. This is not to say that is a bad thing though!
Linux still has better task handeling, a much sweeter file system, and most of all is open so that that lost level of control is actually still there. It's just a bit harder to get to.
Does it seem like the Slashdot main page is frozen to anyone? Why doesn't it change? To me, it still says this article has no comments, and the Windows2000test one has like 300 something when it actually has over 500! Is this just me or what? It is no my cache. I have tried 3 diff broswers on three diff computers running two diff OSs that have all not seen this page previously. No Proxy cache or anything either. Well?
Make RMS happy? GNU/Stallnix? Make Orielly happy? O'Linux? Make RedHat happy? Rhinux? Make Taco happy?/Linux.? Make ESR happy? Linux? Make me happy? Linux?
This is not flamebait, but truely my opinion. Gates has done a HELL of a lot more for the technology world then Linus. I do love Linux, and nearly never use Windows, but that is because I hack. Few people hack. If we wanted Torvalds at the top of something, it would have to be the most influential technology person of the century. Gates brought the simple computer to the masses. Steve Jobs did not. He screwed up. Gates picked up where he left off, and for that he became a virtual god on earth (monitarily at least). Everyone seems to think marketing directs the people. Well, they are wrong. The people direct marketing. Gates created what the people wanted. Torvalds created what he wanted, and let the people help him. Both are fine ways to do it, but offering a service for a fee is more appealing to the consumer then forcing them to help out. Deal with it, the consumer doesn't program, and the consumer doesn't use Linux! In time though, more and more people will use it. Why?
Because we have nifty GUI tools which copy Windows (which copied all the others, I know).
Because we have our own marketting now with RH and the media's Linux feeding frenzy (not to mention insane Linux zealots who will die before admitting StarOffice crashes and burns more then an alpha release of MS Office.)
Because people hate Gates and rich people in general.
Because it is fast.
Because it is secure.
Because it is stable.
Because it is free.
So take the good with the bad, and get your wooly head out of that sheeps @$$ in front of you. Take a look around and view reality for the first time. It is always easier to let the person in front of you do the thinking for you, but then why bother living at all?
Shutup. You sound foolish.
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Lets see, Word Perferct, Koffice, Corel, Star Office. Compapred to any one of these MS Office,IS bloatware, any flippin' Office suite that takes 4, count 'em 4 CDs to ship, could be anything but bloatware. You sound like an idiot! Have you tried these programs? They don't have nearly as number of helpful features as Office. Their UI is not as nice (although each have their plus sides), Koffice (oh please. I compiled the latest build. sheesh), Star Office (oh god no) and Word Perfect (for linux) are as SLOW AS HELL. They each crash more then a Win31 server would if it were running slashdot during a flameout!
Have you EVER tried to get someone to use a different UI, or convince a secretary that uses WIN95 that Linux is better ? You speak as if it is the secretary who is foolish for not using Linux. How is Linux better for a secretary then Windows? I can not think of a single reason! Is it faster? Nope, not office apps. Is it more stable? Nope, not it's office apps OR it's GUI. Is it as user friendly? HA! Don't even get me started! Is it cheaper? Yes. Do secretaries pay for their OS? No!
For those who are wondering: read my above comments which incited this attack. I use Linux, I hack for Linux, I love Linux. But I also an not so foolish as to follow the sheeps ass directly in front of me. It is you people (whom make such pathetic attacks) who will end up ruining a fine hacker OS. MS can just sit back and watch us eat ourselves to death.
No he didn't, dumb ass.
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So what if we can put pixmaps on a friggen toolbar! Windows can't be themed as much as our Unix GUIs? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut! It just doesn't matter. Fact remains, most people stick with the default look anyhow. Themes are just a silly add on with no functional purpose. Form over Function. There is no substance to your argument.
Scrytch, you read my mind
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Nice to see I'm not alone.
Let's not go nuts now!
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KDE is great, but it will not destroy Microsoft. Microsoft makes more then Windows. That's where their power comes from. As long as huge awesome apps like Office (don't tell me it's 'bloatware' and shit, you stupid zealots. Only hackers still use text-editors.) need all of Windows special Win32 features, Microsoft will sell Windows. And worse then that, as soon as programming KDE or Gnome or any Linux thing stops being fun (if Linux becomes #1), everyone will stop coding for it. Some new little OS will catch hackers' eyes and it will become the Next Big Thing.
Guys this is all just realism. We do this Linux thing because it's a hobby. Us hackers are the type of people who like to know what no one else knows. We like to have secret weapons to show off if need be. If everyone uses Linux, then what is the point anymore?
And even if you are right... 5 to 7 years??? Come on! What we know of user interfaces will be NOTHING like right now in 5 to 7 years! If anything, we will sit and have conversations with our computers. I know I don't want to be looking at some dumb colorful icon while I chat with my machine. Each UI serves a purpose, and KDE will either fall or change into something that is no longer what we know of KDE.
Go ahead and argue, but this is how things always turn out. Shit. That's quite a comment! I don't think I have ever posted so much at once!
You are absolutely right, although too harsh...
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The only complaint I have about KDE is the panel app. My reason might seem lame to some, but I don't like being limitted to one panel. In Gnome (I use KDE, btw) you can stick panels all over and if you use WM, you can stick little wharfs(?) all over too. It is not always useful, but I have found that in KDE I have filled up my panel, ran an app that goes into the tray, and I can't see it because an icon is in the way. And on top of that, there are more icons I want to put in the panel! Well, that was my only real gripe with KDE. Besides that, it can do anything my little heart desires.
Having two GUIs is great, except when there is an app for one and not for the other. Well, you could run it, but... isn't this all about looks anyways?
Yeah, slow for me too. And unstable.
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It is turning out real nice, but in this early stage (there are LOTS of new features and changes) it is still quite unstable. Many bugs, and it moves slow. Not all of it, but the KControl Panel thing is the worst offender, and always has been. Oh yeah, I am speaking of the snapshot I downloaded on Friday, so I mean the new stuff.
Ender's Game is the best book I have ever read!
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Next to the Gunslinger Series by SK... and maybe the Stand. Ender's Game really messes with your head.
Come on guys, now that we know Seti@home is just a bunch of no-good, no-good-dooers, lets all stop wasting CPU time on aliens that we aren't going to find (come on, they are out there, but too far) and break some encryption! That is something we can use right now!
Don't get mad about what I called seti@home. I run both (on diff computers) although I am thinking of changing to both RC5.
Fantastic post, but one thing. Monitary handouts from the government do not help. That promotes lazy, greedy parents who depend on a force (gov't) which exists only to take from those who produce.
Remember, the government does not produce ANY wealth. They can only tax it from the citizens. Printing cash does not produce money.
Is that not one of the versions they offer? That is why Sun wants it. That way they can show off the wonders of Java. I just hope they can speed that snail up!... and fix the zillion or so bugs too...
This is a great idea! Now we can eat spotted owl, bald eagle (as a sign of nat'l pride), dodo bird, and wooley mammoth (if we can find their genes somewhere)!
Maybe I will open a chain of McSpecies. Everything will be served rare! Get it? It's a pun!!! Laugh!;)
You've got it exactly. If the US car companies didn't want to innovate and compete, then they should go under. That is exactly what they should have coming to them. The free market system is self adjusting. It ALWAYS works... until the government steps in and makes a law of some kind. Then it is no longer a complete free market, and becomes a somewhat restricted market. That is when little start ups can no longer compete with larger corporations. Little startups can not pay the overhead that corporations can handle... That's just what seems good to me. I'm sure there are other factors, such as human pride, nationalism, and the like, but this is all from a strictly Vulcan viewpoint. "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you"
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Running a fresh new kernel is like putting on a warm pair of boxers strait out of the drier.. Mmm....
These types of things will need to be changed at the core level (I don't mean core as in Kernel, just deep-core). No GUI program can stick a input box for LP switches. That's silly. I love printing in Windows. There is nothing to it! These types of things need to be changed completely. But like I said, all control STILL remains because of the openness. :)
... by a sweet file system.
See Subject. This is out of control.
To change the Linux system would require loss of the tight control and configurability we expect from Linux. Just as Windows uses arrays of Dialog Boxes to configure everything, Linux would need the same. This is not to say that is a bad thing though!
Linux still has better task handeling, a much sweeter file system, and most of all is open so that that lost level of control is actually still there. It's just a bit harder to get to.
Does it seem like the Slashdot main page is frozen to anyone? Why doesn't it change? To me, it still says this article has no comments, and the Windows2000test one has like 300 something when it actually has over 500! Is this just me or what? It is no my cache. I have tried 3 diff broswers on three diff computers running two diff OSs that have all not seen this page previously. No Proxy cache or anything either. Well?
Make RMS happy? GNU/Stallnix? /Linux.?
Make Orielly happy? O'Linux?
Make RedHat happy? Rhinux?
Make Taco happy?
Make ESR happy? Linux?
Make me happy? Linux?
Ok, enough of that...
Gates brought the simple computer to the masses. Steve Jobs did not. He screwed up. Gates picked up where he left off, and for that he became a virtual god on earth (monitarily at least). Everyone seems to think marketing directs the people. Well, they are wrong. The people direct marketing. Gates created what the people wanted. Torvalds created what he wanted, and let the people help him. Both are fine ways to do it, but offering a service for a fee is more appealing to the consumer then forcing them to help out. Deal with it, the consumer doesn't program, and the consumer doesn't use Linux! In time though, more and more people will use it. Why?
So take the good with the bad, and get your wooly head out of that sheeps @$$ in front of you. Take a look around and view reality for the first time. It is always easier to let the person in front of you do the thinking for you, but then why bother living at all?
Lets see, Word Perferct, Koffice, Corel, Star Office. Compapred to any one of these MS Office ,IS bloatware, any flippin' Office suite that takes 4, count 'em 4 CDs to ship, could be anything but bloatware.
You sound like an idiot! Have you tried these programs? They don't have nearly as number of helpful features as Office. Their UI is not as nice (although each have their plus sides), Koffice (oh please. I compiled the latest build. sheesh), Star Office (oh god no) and Word Perfect (for linux) are as SLOW AS HELL. They each crash more then a Win31 server would if it were running slashdot during a flameout!
Have you EVER tried to get someone to use a different UI, or convince a secretary that uses WIN95 that Linux is better ?
You speak as if it is the secretary who is foolish for not using Linux. How is Linux better for a secretary then Windows? I can not think of a single reason! Is it faster? Nope, not office apps. Is it more stable? Nope, not it's office apps OR it's GUI. Is it as user friendly? HA! Don't even get me started! Is it cheaper? Yes. Do secretaries pay for their OS? No!
For those who are wondering: read my above comments which incited this attack. I use Linux, I hack for Linux, I love Linux. But I also an not so foolish as to follow the sheeps ass directly in front of me. It is you people (whom make such pathetic attacks) who will end up ruining a fine hacker OS. MS can just sit back and watch us eat ourselves to death.
He said that KFM was fast. Geez...
So what if we can put pixmaps on a friggen toolbar! Windows can't be themed as much as our Unix GUIs? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut! It just doesn't matter. Fact remains, most people stick with the default look anyhow. Themes are just a silly add on with no functional purpose. Form over Function. There is no substance to your argument.
Nice to see I'm not alone.
KDE is great, but it will not destroy Microsoft. Microsoft makes more then Windows. That's where their power comes from. As long as huge awesome apps like Office (don't tell me it's 'bloatware' and shit, you stupid zealots. Only hackers still use text-editors.) need all of Windows special Win32 features, Microsoft will sell Windows. And worse then that, as soon as programming KDE or Gnome or any Linux thing stops being fun (if Linux becomes #1), everyone will stop coding for it. Some new little OS will catch hackers' eyes and it will become the Next Big Thing.
Guys this is all just realism. We do this Linux thing because it's a hobby. Us hackers are the type of people who like to know what no one else knows. We like to have secret weapons to show off if need be. If everyone uses Linux, then what is the point anymore?
And even if you are right... 5 to 7 years??? Come on! What we know of user interfaces will be NOTHING like right now in 5 to 7 years! If anything, we will sit and have conversations with our computers. I know I don't want to be looking at some dumb colorful icon while I chat with my machine. Each UI serves a purpose, and KDE will either fall or change into something that is no longer what we know of KDE.
Go ahead and argue, but this is how things always turn out. Shit. That's quite a comment! I don't think I have ever posted so much at once!
The only complaint I have about KDE is the panel app. My reason might seem lame to some, but I don't like being limitted to one panel. In Gnome (I use KDE, btw) you can stick panels all over and if you use WM, you can stick little wharfs(?) all over too. It is not always useful, but I have found that in KDE I have filled up my panel, ran an app that goes into the tray, and I can't see it because an icon is in the way. And on top of that, there are more icons I want to put in the panel! Well, that was my only real gripe with KDE. Besides that, it can do anything my little heart desires.
But I wouldn't say it "sucks so much."
Having two GUIs is great, except when there is an app for one and not for the other. Well, you could run it, but... isn't this all about looks anyways?
It is turning out real nice, but in this early stage (there are LOTS of new features and changes) it is still quite unstable. Many bugs, and it moves slow. Not all of it, but the KControl Panel thing is the worst offender, and always has been. Oh yeah, I am speaking of the snapshot I downloaded on Friday, so I mean the new stuff.
Next to the Gunslinger Series by SK... and maybe the Stand. Ender's Game really messes with your head.
"Check yo self foo!"
-- Beastie Boys
Come on guys, now that we know Seti@home is just a bunch of no-good, no-good-dooers, lets all stop wasting CPU time on aliens that we aren't going to find (come on, they are out there, but too far) and break some encryption! That is something we can use right now!
Don't get mad about what I called seti@home. I run both (on diff computers) although I am thinking of changing to both RC5.
Fantastic post, but one thing. Monitary handouts from the government do not help. That promotes lazy, greedy parents who depend on a force (gov't) which exists only to take from those who produce.
Remember, the government does not produce ANY wealth. They can only tax it from the citizens. Printing cash does not produce money.
Is that not one of the versions they offer? That is why Sun wants it. That way they can show off the wonders of Java. I just hope they can speed that snail up! ... and fix the zillion or so bugs too ...
nuff said.
This is a great idea! Now we can eat spotted owl, bald eagle (as a sign of nat'l pride), dodo bird, and wooley mammoth (if we can find their genes somewhere)!
;)
Maybe I will open a chain of McSpecies. Everything will be served rare! Get it? It's a pun!!! Laugh!
You've got it exactly. If the US car companies didn't want to innovate and compete, then they should go under. That is exactly what they should have coming to them. The free market system is self adjusting. It ALWAYS works... until the government steps in and makes a law of some kind. Then it is no longer a complete free market, and becomes a somewhat restricted market. That is when little start ups can no longer compete with larger corporations. Little startups can not pay the overhead that corporations can handle... That's just what seems good to me. I'm sure there are other factors, such as human pride, nationalism, and the like, but this is all from a strictly Vulcan viewpoint. "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you"
... so why do people throw a negative spin on companies who try to make a buck? Remember: Linux is about having an open source OS. NOTHING MORE!
Ancient Geek,
You are my kind of guy. B)