We all know that, in the future, floppy disks will be gone, unless you're willing to shell out for a controller card. And over the next few gens of M$ software, DOS will slowly disappear.
I say next few gens, because there are still other versions of windows other than XP that are still usable with recent hardware..
The solution is to download a dos bootdisk in an image format, and burn it to a cd. That's what I've done with my win2k system, and it works wonders.. You do have to make sure to keep a fat32 partition on your hdd, so you can store updates there. DOS can't read NTFS without a special program. Then again, the dos boot-image that I use does have the NTFS proggie on it, but I haven't used it yet.
http://jason-n3xt.org/dos/downloads/bd.htm
There's one on there called techw0rm. Nice boot image. I tend to use it alot..
oh, you mean an anti-innovation product like Windows?
You do understand where we would be if Mr. Bell had decided that postal mail was enough and he didn't develope on of those fancy new voice boxes.. Or If the DMCA had been in place during the IBM vs (whoever cloned their bios) trial?
Please. I know I'm not the only one who hates it when someone says "Forget about doing it yourself, go buy something to do it for you".
Microsoft are the antithesis of innovation.
Besides, do you REALLY want to run an operating system that takes as much processing power as games did a year or two ago? I'm referring to the minimum sytem requirements for windows xp of course. a p233, 128mb ram, 1.5gb hdd.. the Recommended system requirements are even higher than that.. p2-300, 256mb ram, etc..
What does an operating system REALLY have to do, that it takes so much processing power?
No, it was those damn, pesky, 14.4'rs lagging all the decent cable users to death.
I love that myth.
Thank you Blizzard for making Peer-Peer games that make everyone accuse the lonely 56k'rs whenever they lag to hell, no matter what kind of game they're playing. (yes, I'm a cable user)
Interesting that you call a new game behind the times.. especially since a combo pack of Unreal and Unreal Tourney is $20 and a combo pack of all Quake games is $30...
Quake 3 has been around since 1999 (if you count the test too), Unreal tourney has been around just as long. It's still going to be awhile before newer "versions" of these games come out, so why not have something new to pass your time with?
You're wrong.
Actually, Half-life was developed in the Quake1 engine for most of the dev cycle, but then Quake2 came out in Dec 1997. After ID Software began licensing the Q2 engine, Valve bought a copy and integrated alot of the enhancements into their copy of the Q1 engine.
There is always someone that tries to continue the myth that HL is based entirely on the Q1 engine. Please educate others.
Be sure to post anything you know. I have one of these units from the cable co. It would be nice to have an operational data port so that my tivo could change it without it taking forever. Altho, I don't have any channels in the digital range.. It would be nice to have the capability for it.
yeah well, I got the box with the understanding that I was getting digital cable.. meaning that I'd at least have digital versions of the analog channels that I was subscribing to. I don't, what a rip off.
eh, I don't know about the suggested "true, false and maybe" operation about trinary.. I doubt it would work like that..
More like 0,1,2.
geez, binary is just base2.. our numbering system is base10.. hexadecimal is base16, octal is base8.. trinary would just be base3. There are ways of doing math in all base forms.. since it's similar anyways. BTW, all numbers can be represented with any base system. heh.
Incidentally.. Does anyone know of a good bootable dos disk image.. preferrably a hdd image that I can inject some stuff into and burn on an 'el torito' bootable cd? (Or maybe a floppy drive one that has a cd-rom driver that can load the data off of the cd-rom part of a bootable cd...)
Actually, It was my understanding that a great number of games programmed for 486's or better had timing loops so it would adjust it's speed automatically, so it wouldn't do this.
In fact, late 386 and I'm sure all 486 games were programmed in this way.. It's been used like that since then. That's the main reason why Half-life will run the same speed on a p233 as an AthlonXP 1800+ (No, I'm not talking about fps here, I'm talking about stuff that should be constant.. Like running speeds and reload speeds.)
BTW, I won't even talk about the "speed cheat" that appeared back in Jan 2001.. That played with the timings of a cpu somehow to throw the timing calibration of HL out of whack. Plus it blew up quite a few cheaters' cpus (Best part >:P)
Bah, Look, all this guy needs to do is run his old dos games in dos right? Why pay money for an expensive application?
Toby Reyelts, Look dude, go download a copy of Bochs for whatever OS you're running. Then go download freedos or some other freeware DOS clone. If you use the windows version of Bochs, then you will need some linux tools that have been ported to windows. Shouldn't be that hard to find..
Just run bochs, setup your games on a hdd image file, have a freedos image file and emulate it, just like old Arcade, Nintendo, Sega, etc games.
yeah, jam the gps signals so all the computer clocks go out of sync causing the computers to crash which will shut down half the country.
Ok, that's plausable. riight
Here's something in the similar vein, reverse the polarity of the power lines so your computers run backwords thru the programs and untype your word documents and undownload your porn.
Exactly. All you fucking morons that are going on about how much cheaper (and thus, better) hard drives are over SS hard drives need to learn some lessons..
1) You are _NOT_ going to be putting your 40gb mp3 collection on here. mp3's don't need the kind of speed that ramdisks can provide. Hell, an mp3 can be played off of a cd in a 1x cd-rom drive.
2) Ram is lower power than you think. Don't go assuming that they guzzle power like a proc or a GPU. That's bullshit. I see no reason why a small powerpack in whatever enclosure that a ramdrive would use, couldn't keep the memory powered through extended power outages (I'm talking a week or more.. even for several gig)
3) The speed on one of these puppies is much faster than a mechanical hdd. It would be ideally suited for storing your OS on or your fav games on.. providing room. Plus there's always video capturing! Capture full screen from your tv tuner card with 0 frameloss..
4) Backup? easy, get a cheap hardware raid card and put the ramdrive in a raid setup with an equal sized legacy hdd. I think it's level 0 for the backup one (feel free to correct me if it's level 1, but I think lvl1 is stripeing)
Of course, that's assuming someone made one like a regular drive.. that fits into a 5 1/4 bay and everything, not this dumbass PCI card idea that's floating around.
There was an article in Electronics Now or a similar mag, about 10 years ago IIRC, talking about making an ISA card with some ram on it. IIRC they somehow made it bootable, either by putting some code on it in the "network" area of ram. (aka the old basic area:P) or by emulating an ide controller or some other way.. Personally, I'm hoping someone makes a modern version of that, but different. Have it like a normal drive, able to be hooked up to an IDE controller, and with several sdram slots internally, for ram.. but that would be a bitch to build.. (can you say 168 traces per stick of ram?)
indeed, what would be wrong with buying one of the cheap hardware raid cards that are floating around ebay now, and having a raid setup with a small hdd, about the same size
What is it? level 0 that is the backup one?
'course I could imagine some dumbass setting it up as a stripping array and wondering what happened to all their data..
Now who's going to design a pci board that has slots for pc100, pc133, whatever memory, with a memory controller/ide controller hybrid?
Just add room for some kind of cordless phone style battery and a small charger that can feed off of the pci power (or alternatively, a standard "drive" pwr plug)
Don't mess with drivers and shit like that, you're just limiting yourself to a specific os.
If you make it so it can plug into a standard IDE cable.. then you can use it with anything!
(a pci card wouldn't have much room for memory, but a 5 1/2 drive type thing would have more room..)
not really, you see in a crt, the main display is a phosphorous covered part that you see, as well as an electron beam. (plus there's the differen't color "spots" that produce the color that you see) When you change the resolution on a CRT, it just changes where the electron beam scans, among other variables. You can start to get pretty fuzzy if you push your monitor too hard though. Most of the monitors that I've seen say that they support 1600x1200 are fuzzy at that res, same for older ones that max out at 1024x768..
As for lcd's, just imagine a matrix of LED's, They are fixed pixels, basically just lights. LCD screens aren't LEDs.. they are just like "normal" LCD's, but with a backlight, but follow me here.
if your display runs at 800x600, then you go to 640x480, then something that took 1:1 pixel on 800x600 would take something like 2:1 or 2:2 pixels on 640x480. I can't really explain this easily without 'showing' you, but I think you can get the idea.
BTW, yes you can tell it to use a smaller central portion, rather than scaling or interpolating, but then you don't use the entire display.
heh, you shant see much.. Roddenberry passed away in 1992..
All TNG after 1992 was either old scripts that hadn't been produced yet, or stuff that the DS9 and VOY idiots made up to carry the torch until they could ruin trek with their own tripe. DS9 wasn't too awful, it was the bridge between the good and VOY.
sad thing is that I still watched VOY just because it was the only trek playing on tv.. then even that was taken away from me when the damn local channel that carried UPN changed the time.
Even now I can't get enterprise off of tv because it's only on upn, and I don't get that. It's not even an option on the cable, I have to download it.
heh, while that may be entirely true for DS9 and VOY.. hell, pretty true for that voyager elite force game "lemme pull my helmut out of my transporter buffer" *cringe*
Creative license my arse. The old series' at least tried to have some kind of plausability. The bridge on TOS was even designed so they push the exact same controls every time that they do a certain action. Fire the phasers - push that button there. Engage warp - flip that switch there. For TNG, they even wrote a technical manual. So the authors and the show writers could get it straight. Hell froze over every time our Voyager fanboys used it though.
Make it up as they go, indeed.
BTW, I wish people would shut the hell up about the TNG ships being slower than the TOS ships. They readjusted the warp scales for crying out loud. a TNG ship going warp 5 is going a hell of a lot faster than a TOS ship going warp 5. I'm not going to look it up for TOS, but the max speed for TNG was warp 10 (Impossible to achieve because that puts you everywhere in the universe at the same time..) Can you see how I hated VOY? they "broke" warp 10 by monkeying around with a shuttle, it wasn't even "hard", and then they de-evolved into some kind of lizard. WTF is the logic in that?! If VOY writers wrote the original "history" of trek, that would put Cochrane as de-evolving into a monkey or some shit after breaking warp speed. ARGH.
No but seriously, under TNG warp scales.. you get alot faster the higher the number, like warp 9.99999999999995 is damn fast, but you will never reach warp 10.. unless some kind of sub-subspace or some BS is discovered. TOS warp scales, I bet a 13 rates at about warp 9 on TNG.
As for the series fanale for TNG, The ships may have gotten faster, and rather than rerate the warp scale again, they rerated the old warp scale, maybe combined them.. Either that or we got a taste of just how bad Voyager was going to be on the tech.
I swear, if it wasn't the point of that show to follow their voyage home, they'd have invented a transwarp engine or some BS to get home by the 3rd episode. Go warp 90 or some bullshit, or go home, then come back in time and rescue themselves before they left. Do the braga timetravel where nothing you do will affect the past.
Hrm.. all I need is a one use timetravel device, and a portable EMH, then I'd go back and heal Mr Roddenberry so he could prevent this travesty of trek.
As for enterprise, I'll see just how bad it gets by the end of the season. Maybe it's first season wont be the horrible 1 script first season voyager had.
(as in, ep1+2 get pulled to delta quadrant, ep3 try to get home-fail, ep4 try to get home-fail, ep5 try to get home-fail, etc, etc, etc, where's the damn character development, where's the damn discovery and exploration?! Even in later seasons, I just watched two eps off of my tivo.. One was them talking about the past and rescuing a mars module from 2032 from an energy field, the other was something so similar to that, I can't remember, it's like watching the same damn thing twice)
I think it was one of the early Q episodes.. the one where he loses his powers I think. If you have a reasonable connection you might look it up and watch it again.
hah, this is exactly like my roommate.
says "cartoons" in the ghey way that only he can say it (while making it sound like a little kid) when I'm sitting here watching ranma or something.. then he sits down and turns on something stupid like "cat-dog" or rugrats or some shit.
wtf, I'd rather watch a bad dub than an american animation.
For all you who think Anime=cartoon=kids..
That's the same as saying Primetime tv=Barney+powerrangers+teletubbies=kids. Yeah, anime has some kid shows.. But even the "rugrats" has a movie and I don't see everyone thinking that "Hollow Man" is a kiddie movie. There are widely different genres of anime, just like widely different genres of movies.
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We all know that, in the future, floppy disks will be gone, unless you're willing to shell out for a controller card. And over the next few gens of M$ software, DOS will slowly disappear.
I say next few gens, because there are still other versions of windows other than XP that are still usable with recent hardware..
The solution is to download a dos bootdisk in an image format, and burn it to a cd. That's what I've done with my win2k system, and it works wonders.. You do have to make sure to keep a fat32 partition on your hdd, so you can store updates there. DOS can't read NTFS without a special program. Then again, the dos boot-image that I use does have the NTFS proggie on it, but I haven't used it yet.
http://jason-n3xt.org/dos/downloads/bd.htm
There's one on there called techw0rm. Nice boot image. I tend to use it alot..
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oh, you mean an anti-innovation product like Windows?
You do understand where we would be if Mr. Bell had decided that postal mail was enough and he didn't develope on of those fancy new voice boxes.. Or If the DMCA had been in place during the IBM vs (whoever cloned their bios) trial?
Please. I know I'm not the only one who hates it when someone says "Forget about doing it yourself, go buy something to do it for you".
Microsoft are the antithesis of innovation.
Besides, do you REALLY want to run an operating system that takes as much processing power as games did a year or two ago? I'm referring to the minimum sytem requirements for windows xp of course. a p233, 128mb ram, 1.5gb hdd.. the Recommended system requirements are even higher than that.. p2-300, 256mb ram, etc..
What does an operating system REALLY have to do, that it takes so much processing power?
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No, it was those damn, pesky, 14.4'rs lagging all the decent cable users to death.
I love that myth.
Thank you Blizzard for making Peer-Peer games that make everyone accuse the lonely 56k'rs whenever they lag to hell, no matter what kind of game they're playing. (yes, I'm a cable user)
Interesting that you call a new game behind the times.. especially since a combo pack of Unreal and Unreal Tourney is $20 and a combo pack of all Quake games is $30...
Quake 3 has been around since 1999 (if you count the test too), Unreal tourney has been around just as long. It's still going to be awhile before newer "versions" of these games come out, so why not have something new to pass your time with?
Half-life is like fine cheese.
It goes well with WINE.
Don't feel bad.
You're wrong.
Actually, Half-life was developed in the Quake1 engine for most of the dev cycle, but then Quake2 came out in Dec 1997. After ID Software began licensing the Q2 engine, Valve bought a copy and integrated alot of the enhancements into their copy of the Q1 engine.
There is always someone that tries to continue the myth that HL is based entirely on the Q1 engine. Please educate others.
Be sure to post anything you know. I have one of these units from the cable co. It would be nice to have an operational data port so that my tivo could change it without it taking forever. Altho, I don't have any channels in the digital range.. It would be nice to have the capability for it.
yeah well, I got the box with the understanding that I was getting digital cable.. meaning that I'd at least have digital versions of the analog channels that I was subscribing to. I don't, what a rip off.
(stupid) Show stopping bugs....
...Not just for Windows(TM)(R)(C)(NC-17) anymore!
eh, I don't know about the suggested "true, false and maybe" operation about trinary.. I doubt it would work like that..
More like 0,1,2.
geez, binary is just base2.. our numbering system is base10.. hexadecimal is base16, octal is base8.. trinary would just be base3. There are ways of doing math in all base forms.. since it's similar anyways. BTW, all numbers can be represented with any base system. heh.
Incidentally.. Does anyone know of a good bootable dos disk image.. preferrably a hdd image that I can inject some stuff into and burn on an 'el torito' bootable cd? (Or maybe a floppy drive one that has a cd-rom driver that can load the data off of the cd-rom part of a bootable cd...)
Actually, It was my understanding that a great number of games programmed for 486's or better had timing loops so it would adjust it's speed automatically, so it wouldn't do this.
In fact, late 386 and I'm sure all 486 games were programmed in this way.. It's been used like that since then. That's the main reason why Half-life will run the same speed on a p233 as an AthlonXP 1800+ (No, I'm not talking about fps here, I'm talking about stuff that should be constant.. Like running speeds and reload speeds.)
BTW, I won't even talk about the "speed cheat" that appeared back in Jan 2001.. That played with the timings of a cpu somehow to throw the timing calibration of HL out of whack. Plus it blew up quite a few cheaters' cpus (Best part >:P)
VMware?
:P
Bah, Look, all this guy needs to do is run his old dos games in dos right? Why pay money for an expensive application?
Toby Reyelts, Look dude, go download a copy of Bochs for whatever OS you're running. Then go download freedos or some other freeware DOS clone. If you use the windows version of Bochs, then you will need some linux tools that have been ported to windows. Shouldn't be that hard to find..
Just run bochs, setup your games on a hdd image file, have a freedos image file and emulate it, just like old Arcade, Nintendo, Sega, etc games.
Not hard
yeah, jam the gps signals so all the computer clocks go out of sync causing the computers to crash which will shut down half the country.
Ok, that's plausable. riight
Here's something in the similar vein, reverse the polarity of the power lines so your computers run backwords thru the programs and untype your word documents and undownload your porn.
That's about plausible too.
Exactly. All you fucking morons that are going on about how much cheaper (and thus, better) hard drives are over SS hard drives need to learn some lessons..
:P) or by emulating an ide controller or some other way.. Personally, I'm hoping someone makes a modern version of that, but different. Have it like a normal drive, able to be hooked up to an IDE controller, and with several sdram slots internally, for ram.. but that would be a bitch to build.. (can you say 168 traces per stick of ram?)
1) You are _NOT_ going to be putting your 40gb mp3 collection on here. mp3's don't need the kind of speed that ramdisks can provide. Hell, an mp3 can be played off of a cd in a 1x cd-rom drive.
2) Ram is lower power than you think. Don't go assuming that they guzzle power like a proc or a GPU. That's bullshit. I see no reason why a small powerpack in whatever enclosure that a ramdrive would use, couldn't keep the memory powered through extended power outages (I'm talking a week or more.. even for several gig)
3) The speed on one of these puppies is much faster than a mechanical hdd. It would be ideally suited for storing your OS on or your fav games on.. providing room. Plus there's always video capturing! Capture full screen from your tv tuner card with 0 frameloss..
4) Backup? easy, get a cheap hardware raid card and put the ramdrive in a raid setup with an equal sized legacy hdd. I think it's level 0 for the backup one (feel free to correct me if it's level 1, but I think lvl1 is stripeing)
Of course, that's assuming someone made one like a regular drive.. that fits into a 5 1/4 bay and everything, not this dumbass PCI card idea that's floating around.
There was an article in Electronics Now or a similar mag, about 10 years ago IIRC, talking about making an ISA card with some ram on it. IIRC they somehow made it bootable, either by putting some code on it in the "network" area of ram. (aka the old basic area
indeed, what would be wrong with buying one of the cheap hardware raid cards that are floating around ebay now, and having a raid setup with a small hdd, about the same size
What is it? level 0 that is the backup one?
'course I could imagine some dumbass setting it up as a stripping array and wondering what happened to all their data..
Now who's going to design a pci board that has slots for pc100, pc133, whatever memory, with a memory controller/ide controller hybrid?
Just add room for some kind of cordless phone style battery and a small charger that can feed off of the pci power (or alternatively, a standard "drive" pwr plug)
Don't mess with drivers and shit like that, you're just limiting yourself to a specific os.
If you make it so it can plug into a standard IDE cable.. then you can use it with anything!
(a pci card wouldn't have much room for memory, but a 5 1/2 drive type thing would have more room..)
c'mon, someone build this...
Did anyone catch the April 1st 2000 date?
This is an april fools, and an OLD one too!
not really, you see in a crt, the main display is a phosphorous covered part that you see, as well as an electron beam. (plus there's the differen't color "spots" that produce the color that you see) When you change the resolution on a CRT, it just changes where the electron beam scans, among other variables. You can start to get pretty fuzzy if you push your monitor too hard though. Most of the monitors that I've seen say that they support 1600x1200 are fuzzy at that res, same for older ones that max out at 1024x768..
As for lcd's, just imagine a matrix of LED's, They are fixed pixels, basically just lights. LCD screens aren't LEDs.. they are just like "normal" LCD's, but with a backlight, but follow me here.
if your display runs at 800x600, then you go to 640x480, then something that took 1:1 pixel on 800x600 would take something like 2:1 or 2:2 pixels on 640x480. I can't really explain this easily without 'showing' you, but I think you can get the idea.
BTW, yes you can tell it to use a smaller central portion, rather than scaling or interpolating, but then you don't use the entire display.
I hope I could be of some help?
heh, you shant see much.. Roddenberry passed away in 1992..
All TNG after 1992 was either old scripts that hadn't been produced yet, or stuff that the DS9 and VOY idiots made up to carry the torch until they could ruin trek with their own tripe. DS9 wasn't too awful, it was the bridge between the good and VOY.
sad thing is that I still watched VOY just because it was the only trek playing on tv.. then even that was taken away from me when the damn local channel that carried UPN changed the time.
Even now I can't get enterprise off of tv because it's only on upn, and I don't get that. It's not even an option on the cable, I have to download it.
heh, while that may be entirely true for DS9 and VOY.. hell, pretty true for that voyager elite force game "lemme pull my helmut out of my transporter buffer" *cringe*
Creative license my arse. The old series' at least tried to have some kind of plausability. The bridge on TOS was even designed so they push the exact same controls every time that they do a certain action. Fire the phasers - push that button there. Engage warp - flip that switch there. For TNG, they even wrote a technical manual. So the authors and the show writers could get it straight. Hell froze over every time our Voyager fanboys used it though.
Make it up as they go, indeed.
BTW, I wish people would shut the hell up about the TNG ships being slower than the TOS ships. They readjusted the warp scales for crying out loud. a TNG ship going warp 5 is going a hell of a lot faster than a TOS ship going warp 5. I'm not going to look it up for TOS, but the max speed for TNG was warp 10 (Impossible to achieve because that puts you everywhere in the universe at the same time..) Can you see how I hated VOY? they "broke" warp 10 by monkeying around with a shuttle, it wasn't even "hard", and then they de-evolved into some kind of lizard. WTF is the logic in that?! If VOY writers wrote the original "history" of trek, that would put Cochrane as de-evolving into a monkey or some shit after breaking warp speed. ARGH.
No but seriously, under TNG warp scales.. you get alot faster the higher the number, like warp 9.99999999999995 is damn fast, but you will never reach warp 10.. unless some kind of sub-subspace or some BS is discovered. TOS warp scales, I bet a 13 rates at about warp 9 on TNG.
As for the series fanale for TNG, The ships may have gotten faster, and rather than rerate the warp scale again, they rerated the old warp scale, maybe combined them.. Either that or we got a taste of just how bad Voyager was going to be on the tech.
I swear, if it wasn't the point of that show to follow their voyage home, they'd have invented a transwarp engine or some BS to get home by the 3rd episode. Go warp 90 or some bullshit, or go home, then come back in time and rescue themselves before they left. Do the braga timetravel where nothing you do will affect the past.
Hrm.. all I need is a one use timetravel device, and a portable EMH, then I'd go back and heal Mr Roddenberry so he could prevent this travesty of trek.
As for enterprise, I'll see just how bad it gets by the end of the season. Maybe it's first season wont be the horrible 1 script first season voyager had.
(as in, ep1+2 get pulled to delta quadrant, ep3 try to get home-fail, ep4 try to get home-fail, ep5 try to get home-fail, etc, etc, etc, where's the damn character development, where's the damn discovery and exploration?! Even in later seasons, I just watched two eps off of my tivo.. One was them talking about the past and rescuing a mars module from 2032 from an energy field, the other was something so similar to that, I can't remember, it's like watching the same damn thing twice)
I think it was one of the early Q episodes.. the one where he loses his powers I think. If you have a reasonable connection you might look it up and watch it again.
hah, this is exactly like my roommate.
says "cartoons" in the ghey way that only he can say it (while making it sound like a little kid) when I'm sitting here watching ranma or something.. then he sits down and turns on something stupid like "cat-dog" or rugrats or some shit.
wtf, I'd rather watch a bad dub than an american animation.
For all you who think Anime=cartoon=kids..
That's the same as saying Primetime tv=Barney+powerrangers+teletubbies=kids. Yeah, anime has some kid shows.. But even the "rugrats" has a movie and I don't see everyone thinking that "Hollow Man" is a kiddie movie. There are widely different genres of anime, just like widely different genres of movies.
What about DHTML or XML? >:P
I can't decide if this best represents what happens when rednecks and technology cross, or if that title still belongs to AOL..
hehe