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Cartoon Network Dropping Gundam and Bebop?
Lhadatt was among several who noted unannounced changes in Cartoon Networks' anime lineup. It's easy to speculate that Mobile Suit Gundam and Cowboy Bebop were dropped because of Tuesday's terrorist attacks since each show has a fair amount of violence, but nobody really knows. You can see the evidence on Cartoon Network's Listings. Tonight, episode 5 of Bebop was scheduled to air: one of the best episodes, too.
And this is news because...?
You're using her as bait, Master!
You know, we're supposed to be going on with life and business as usual -- a defiant response to terrorism. Instead, the media is pulling out all the good stuff, the stuff with sex and violence and replacing it with light-hearted romantic fluff. So much for business as usual.
BTW, FP?
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Do they think the terrorists were somehow subliminally influenced by Mobile Suit Gundam??? What's next on the ban list? Godzilla?
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The WB didn't show the last episode of Batman Beyond (ever) on Friday because its content was too similar to the attacks. Friday was the last day they will broadcast the series. All the episodes been sold to Cartoon Network except for the last one. Hopefully they (the WB) will reschedule it for sometime in the near future.
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Cartoon Network was butchering Bebop to hell and back just to make it suitable for viewing under FCC guidelines. If you're that desperate to see Cowboy Bebop, rent it or borrow it if you can. It's a great series but doesn't deserve to be mangled by censors.
What's it about exactly?
As much i like them there is ,i guess, noone who meeds more violence than what we're confronted with.
,there is no need for more.
..i just switched the channel to Fox and told him " this is the real thing " these people flying out the building falling to their death ..you see there..yeah that thing falling out ? they are real people being murdered.." he looked hypnotised. lowered his head and like so many times before went to his room to read.
,we got the real thing now.!
Sports are in question too.
When so much senseless violence is taking place,and so much horror is been aired for all of us to see
My kid yesterday said there was a " cool " horror movie coming on
We dont need these cartoons.
What i need right now is a bit of peace and to gather our strength for the inevitable war.
So long senseless and gratuitous violence we dont need you no more..we got better
ric
I'm sure it'd be pretty popular right now with patriotic Americans. Time to kick some Cobra ass. Plus, I haven't seen it in years and I would want to watch it anyway.
And now you know, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe!
I actually watched Bebop on CN, apparently unlike you. I also have the whole series on DVD. The ONLY 2 changes I have seen is the replacing of the word 'shit', and 'covering' the girls in porno mags(there was a porno mag in ep4). Other than that. nothing was changed so far. They even left the nasty messy headwound from episode 1 in.
Please actually watch the series before acting like you do.
-Henry
"Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
I was flipping around on tv last night and saw that Die Hard was supposed to be on Encore last night but the Thirteenth Warrrior was showing instead.
"Collateral Damage" the new Arnold movie has also been postponed with no release date in sight.
Arnold Schwartzanegger's new movie Collateral Damage is being indefinitely put on hiatus as well. O was just released after being canned due to the Columbine incident.
Since when did movies actually start mimicking real life? Thank God we weren't attacked by aliens or Independance Day would have never made it to the big screen. It is a sad day in history when one form of media (news)can shut down another(film), just because they're getting too close together.
They touch Dragonball Z and I'm a madman!
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--I need my fix of surreality!
You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
I mean, come on. I don't think the terrorists were watching cartoon network and got the idea to fly planes into various U.S. buildings. I think they're a little screwed up in the head, but it's definitely not cartoons. It's another one of those "Quake made my kid become a killing machine" stories...except this time, way out on a limb.
what is this? Suddenly all violence is related to the terrorist attacks? It also might be possible that they're just going to yank these titles temporarily - until all this blows over. I'm sure the majority of the audience for cartoon network (which are kids) probably don't need to be reminded about what happened at this point. Make no mistake, Holywood can't live without violence very long, I mean that's the basis for their movies nowdays
(sex + violence + pretty special effects + plot/10 = good movie)
I mean take out the violence and all you have left is a lame porno with cool special effects... which actually might be a nice change of pace now that I think about it.
Umm... this is "news for nerds, stuff that matters", why exactly? Is Cowboy Bebop really Cowboyneal in disguise? Or does he run linux on a cow's stomach?
Anyway, this is all getting a bit silly. Some hypocritial tv stations here in the Netherlands cancelled several programs because of the WTC disaster, but didnt bother to leave out offensive commercials (like for the army)...
On adultswim.com's schedule, which is here. In the past, cartoon network's whole website never even mentioned bebop due to the fact they didn't want to come in the open and show that they were showing a violent thing like Bebop, or something like that. Hopefully it wasn't cancelled.
-Henry
"Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
...about the entertainment business is why it's male-dominated. Having testicles is obviously a liability in that business, as is having a spine. It should be a perfect business for women, as none of them have balls, and most of them lack a spine in the bargain.
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Anyone know if this is also the reason that Nickelodeon aired Fairly Oddparents instead of Invader Zim on Friday?
This could be just regular Fall season tweaking. Even though Comedy Central and other cable channels don't have a massive "Fall Season" promotion like the big three networks, they still want to dump the deadwood and get back to those things that have proven viewership. The big three "Fall Season" blitz can be rough on a cable network viewership. Remember, it's a big business.
Or, as you allude, is this a return to the 1950s and 1960s paranoia about the influence of the comic media on "young minds"? The Comics Code Authority (CCA) was the precursor to music lyric rating labels, video game rating labels, and other industry self-inflicted censorship to avoid the wrath of a Congress who doesn't care to understand freedom. (Of course, the Congress is just an extension of the general population, and the general population doesn't want to understand freedom either.) The CCA had one rating: if it wasn't CCA-approved pablum for toddlers, it wasn't put on the shelf.
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Now that's really, really disappointing. I was actually proud of CN for having the nerve to show Bebop at all, if they chickened out over this I'll be very upset.
It was a sign the network was growing up and evolving a spine.
It's a bit of a dilemma, you see. On the one hand, every time we make some change to our daily routine because of this despicable terrorist act--dropping episodes, delaying the premiere of shows, editing the World Trade Center out of the Spiderman movie altogether--we are in some small sense handing the terrorists a victory, acknowledging that they've affected us exactly the way they wanted. On the other hand, people should have a right to watch TV to try to forget the tragedy for a while and destress from the whole thing without being reminded of it by what's on the set.
Hopefully the pre-emptions and delays will be only temporary, for just a month or two until such time as people are a little less sensitive. The Buffy episode that was delayed over Columbine was eventually aired, after all. The networks did pay money for these shows, and they'll want to use them sooner or later.
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Hey, they just brought back Outlaw Star which has a fair amount of violence in it.
I really think that speculation is wrong.
I'm getting so sick of America pussying out over this. Red Alert 2 being pulled from shelves. Rumors of Metal Gear Solid 2 being modifyed.
America is stronger than ever... yeah, right.
And how is it different from CNN and MSNBC showing the crash videos over and over?
America the Pathetic.
Makes you wonder what they'll do to the Simpsons episode where Homer's car is parked between the WTC towers. They may never play that in syndication again.
As an example of previous CN dealings, the short-lived but excellent show Freakazoid had 4 episodes with reverences (both satire and just off the cuff) to Princess Di. When she died in the car accident, those 4 episodes were completely pulled from the schedule understandable; however, they did not return to the schedule for at least 6 months. I understand being sensitive for something recent in the current events, but that seems excessively overkill.
What bothers me more than much else right now is that Hollywood, all aspects of it, seem to be taking steps above and beyond what ought to be done for the short-term sensitivitly. Anything involving the WTC, even if made years ago, seems to be getting some sort of post-censoring. We cannot deny that the WTC ever existed and shows were made about it, and to do so is only giving the terrorists more of a victory.
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"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
what could this concievably have to do with the attack?
Space Ghost blew up France, they arent dropping that.
But this definatly needs to be protested. anybody got one of those online pettition things handy?
You Can't Cancel Bebop before showing ED damnit! I heard the voice for Ed was actually Good!
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DAMNIT.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Scooby-Doo is still being shown so I see nothing wrong.
The article says, "You can see the evidence on Cartoon Network's Listings". There is not a press release saying it's a response to Tuesday's Attacks. I have really never been impressed with the decisions of the network anyway and how they decide on what should be shown and when. A lot of networks display sympathy messages in one form or another, but don't assume everyone will. But you still should check out all 4 daft punk videos on www.toonami.com click on the alliance button (requires flash and MP7)
"Get them before they get....
this makes no sense. it wasn't americans that bombed the place, it was foreign terrorists whose beliefs forbid the watching of this type of entertainment anyway!
Anyone here see Episode 22(Cowboy Funk)? While one of the funniest eps, it also has a bountyhead that's wanted for blowing up tall buildings. And he does in fact blow up some, including a pair of towers that sort of reminds me of the WTC(except with a large sky bridge thing between them). Maybe this ep prompted this? It's sad cause it's one of my favorite eps.
-Henry
"Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
But they kept Outlaw Star? I'm not complaining, but this makes no sense?
I mean, pointing us to a schedule listing is hardly any shred of evidence that this had anything to do with the bombings. And if it did, and the ratings were good enough, give it some time and it will be back. Perhaps they pulled it because they studied the demograph that watches and it decided maybe they should be something a little more constructive, like watching the news?
Or, maybe possibly, its just simply part of the Fall schedule shifts that always happen. But nah, even tho we have no real reason to think it, its gotta be the man.
Okay.. so this is slightly off topic. (I think Cartoon Network is doing the right thing in remaining sensitive to current events. Would you rather have them not give a damn about what's going on in the world and play it anyway because they paid for the rights of it? Would you rather CNN et al played commercials every 15 minutes on Tuesday? At least this shows the mega-corporations aren't thinking ONLY about profit any more.)
Basically, Hollywood stands a good chance of coming out as a better group because of this. In the last 10 years, as the cultural decadence and decline of America took hold, Hollywood has been pandering to America's baser instincts at the expense of good old-fashioned American story-telling.
Moveis have gotten more and more bland, formulaic, and irrelevent to the modern world in the past decade than ever before. The mind-numbing parade of pure crap putout by America's entertainment complex and soaked up by America's pop culture like a kid whose parents are willing to offer him nothing but candy to eat was causing serious damage to America's psyche and attitude.
While I am deeply sorry for those who lost family members and loved ones in these horrible attacks, there is at least a little bit of a silver lining in this all. America seems to have sobered up from its drunken cultural stupor and re-discovered what's REALLY important in life. If they terrorists had waited another 10 years, I wonder if American society would be watching TRL, Survivor 12, or watching a bland violence-sex-gross-out-comedy movie to care. (Facetious)
Hopefully America will keep the unifying and sobered spirit it has re-discovered in the aftermath for some time to come. Parents having honest discussions with their children about issues of morality, crime rates in NY at their lowest levels in the history of the city (common enemy), young people not blindly assuming the world owes them something, but being cognisant of their own morality.
Hell, if the last traces of the ugly racism popping up against Arab-American can be eradicated.... America stands a great chance to come out of this a more responsible, more caring, more serious, more compassionate, more focused, more dedicated, and more selfless nation.
The point? Hopefully Hollywood will follow and put out entertainment that's more meaningful than another episode of Friends, a pointless prurient movie about sex and violence, or another dumb series about beautiful young 20-somethings whining about nothing.
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several months ago cable tv was rolled out for the first time around here (New Zealand) and we got the Australian version of Cartoon Network which was as good as could be expected. DBZ showen on free to air has all the violence cut out so it was good to see what actualy happens when characters fight. then CN started to hype up the addition of new anime shows in the coming month - alas for some reason or another the cable company now screens asian region CN (Hong Kong, malaysia etc) which has no anime at all, just CN's own shows, all those horrible old forgetable HB cartoons of the 60's and loads of Popeye. Why they changed from a feed from neighbouring Australia to 5 hour time difference Asian I'll never know..
Is that the worst insult you can think of?
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Damn. I hoped Cartoon network would play the first (and only) season of Bebop and make new episodes. I really have a hard time stomaching the last episode, the death of Viscious and Spike.
See you space cowboy...
From what I've been hearing Mobile Suit Gundam wasn't getting very good ratings, and was being considered for cancellation anyway. Perhaps this was simply a coincidence, or maybe all this just accelerated its cancellation.
It'd be nice to see a network devoted specifically to such things but I doubt there'd be enough demand in the US to keep it going. Too bad you can't just get a video feed off the net. I'd love to be able to watch Anime being aired on Japanese TV and catch undubbed episodes of Iron Chef if that's still playing there (Speaking of which, does anyone else thing that dubbing Kaga-san is just WRONG?)
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
haha Good
Expect them to be gone forever, if they involve violence _and_ the WTC.
The second to last Seinfeld episode, it is rumored, to not be available for syndication. During the episode, Kramer (I think) accidentally burns a Puerto Rican flag during the Puerto Rican Day parade in NYC, to the dismay (if not horror) of many viewers.
During the same episode, Elaine, during some rant, complains that she "went to Tufts [University]" and that it was her "safety." At the time it first aired, I was at Tufts (as a student), watching the episode with about 100 others in an on-campus eatery. Suffice it to say that I would love to see that episode again, and, given a few minutes notice, would tape it.
But the sensitivities of others have seemingly denied me that opportunity. A local station here claims to be airing "every" episode, from the beginning, starting either this week or next. Will they show the PRDP episode? We'll see.
The WTC attack is extremely more difficult for a much larger audience. If a show that pulled no punches could be offed by a six minute segment, don't be surprised if network executives choose, for the "greater good," to throw sightings of the WTC down the Orwellian Memory Hole.
Censorship is bad. Censorship makes people afraid to voice their unpopular opinions. Take the guy who wrote about killing people in his diary, as a form of therapy (suggested by his doctor) as an alternative to doing anything violent.
He was arrested and convicted (mental institution) based soley on that diary, as a potential danger.
Other doctors wont advocate this therapy anymore, which means at least 1 person will die.
If saving even one life is worth it, oppose censorship. If saving one life isn't worth it, then don't ban steaknives at the airport steakhouse. Either way, your a hypocrit.
Please use this Feedback Link to let cartoon network or should I say the dragonball z network know how you feel. I'm pissed since these were the only two shows I ever tuned to cartoon network to watch. Gundam kicked ass and cowboy bebop was brilliant! They need to know that they are making a huge mistake so make your voice heard!
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At least I think I did, I'm not really in to anime. It was some episode about some kind of race, where the guys in the red ship took some kind of hyperspace stream because thier engines were knocked out.
Don't get too excited. =P
The english voice acting cast for Cowboy Bebop is pretty much the same as outlaws. You aren't missing a great voice actor that you haven't heard before.
Cowboy Bebop Off Adult Swim? (2001-09-15 22:47:12)
According to the Cartoon Network web page, Cowboy Bebop will not be shown for at least the next two weeks (as far the the website lists). See here and here. Toonheads and the Bob Clampett Show will be shown in its place. One Cartoon Network representative has told us that Cowboy Bebop has not been cancelled. However, we've had some conflicting information in this story. We'll continue to update as we receive information from CN and Bandai. [ No More ]
Cowboy bebop brought me to the Cartoon Network
when nothing else it had could. I just couldn't
get into DBZ or even Outlaw Star.
Is there somewhere to send e-mail?
If Chaos Theory has taught us anything, it's that we must kill all the butterflies.
Just as long as they give me more Dexter's Laboratory, Power Puff Girls, and Spaceghost.
Although, I did like Gundum Wing, but it could have been better if they *animated* it a bit more.
DirecTV's program guide shows that CN is still airing 2 episodes of Cowboy Bebop tonight at the usual time (midnight EST). I didn't expect it to be canceled, since they showed last week's episodes again on Thursday, after the attacks occured. I heard that Mobile Suit Gundam was dropped because of low ratings, not because it was excessively violent. Besides, like other people are saying, if they're dropping violent shows, why aren't they getting rid of Dragonball Z and Outlaw Star? Those two are aimed at children, while CB isn't. (However, DBZ is Cartoon Network's biggest ratings grabber, sooo...)
Anyway, it would also allow us to preserve our history, both in our hearts and in our "visual arts". People will be able to look at images of the WTC without being so despondent.
Of course, the new WTC should be designed to handle a similar attack, and should have better escape routes, but otherwise it should look the same.
And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality... closer to the heart
Wonder if it's because his disguise with the long beard....
Hope that doesn't mean cancellation too.
Did Nickelodeon pull "Invader Zim" episodes as well? Supposed to show new episodes Friday nights but another show was on instead.
Reruns of the previous "season" are shown Sunday mornings but again was not aired today. I had assumed they just changed the schedule until I saw this blurb about Gundam and Bebop. Zim has had scenes of descruction like the giant hamster stepping on buildings, so it might not be too much of a stretch that they pulled this show for the same reasons.
They are all the same. Only the titles change.
That "whose beliefs" is kind of pushing the envelope, as if they were actually good Muslims, they wouldn't have carried out the attacks, which are also against their religion.
Blaming everything on the terrorist attack of Tuesday does nothing but increase the already-insane media-induced frenzy among the people. Please stop reciprocating it.
Cowboy Bebop still shows up on the Adult Swim website, which is the official site for the programming block run by cartoon network; Cowboy Bebop is also still showing on all the Internet television programming guides as well.
They'll just wipe the WTC off existence. So that the almighty USA was never hit.
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Stand up and make yourself heard. If you are upset about this then you should use the feedback link and let dragonball z network er, I mean cartoon network know exactly how you feel. The only reason I ever tune into that network is to watch mobile suite gundam and cowboy bebop. Cowboy Bebop is brilliant! I've only seen three episoeds to date but each one was amazing. Just my luck, as soon as I start to like something the network drops it. I with I had bland tastes so I could be part of the majority and not have to deal with this stuff.
The only way dragonball z network will make a change for the better is if everyone uses the feedback link so we can send the message loud and clear that we are pissed off. Adult swim is great but after a bonehead programming move like this I won't be at all surprised to see them drop space ghost next.
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The year is Universal Century 0079. The One Year War between the Earth Federation and the Prinicipality of Zeon has deadlocked. Unbeknown to Zeon, the Federation has been working on building its own ultimate weapon: Gundam. The new prototype is to be shipped to Earth from its home on the space colony Side 7. But a surprise attack puts the mobile suit into the hands of a teenager who just might save the world.
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Stand up and make yourself heard. If you are upset about this then you should use the feedback link and let dragonball z network er, I mean cartoon network know exactly how you feel. The only reason I ever tune into that network is to watch mobile suite gundam and cowboy bebop. Cowboy Bebop is brilliant! I've only seen three episoeds to date but each one was amazing. Just my luck, as soon as I start to like something the network drops it. I with I had bland tastes so I could be part of the majority and not have to deal with this stuff.
The only way dragonball z network will make a change for the better is if everyone uses the feedback link so we can send the message loud and clear that we are pissed off. Adult swim is great but after a bonehead programming move like this I won't be at all surprised to see them drop space ghost next.
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The year is Universal Century 0079. The One Year War between the Earth Federation and the Prinicipality of Zeon has deadlocked. Unbeknown to Zeon, the Federation has been working on building its own ultimate weapon: Gundam. The new prototype is to be shipped to Earth from its home on the space colony Side 7. But a surprise attack puts the mobile suit into the hands of a teenager who just might save the world.
Cartoon network drops anime at the drop of a hat regardless of world events. I can't even remember all of the different series that they have put out there only to drop 2-3 months later.
I suppose that they have to pay a royalty for each episode they air and if the ratings aren't high enough they may not get enough ad revenue to at least break even.
CN is a AOLTW network and I work for AOLTW (not at CN, but close).
AOLTW missed their projected earnings by a long shot and have been laying off and cutting costs like crazy all year. I don't blame CN for sticking to what is safe and making a profit for now till the next earning report comes out. The more money they save, the less layoffs happen.
To make matters worse, sponsors have actually dropped from the CNN agencies so there product doesn't get unconsciously associated with it. ("this updated death count brought to you by Acme, the leader in so and so") So Cnn loses money, aoltw tells the other networks to play it safe with sponsor revenue.
This is all an educated guess mind you, based on what I have heard from different sources.
Next thing ya know, they will cancel even the PowerPuff Girls as the monsters usually destroy townsville buildings!
SUCKed ? Cowboy Bebop has its moments, Gundam is just plain Poor. I do like anime but neither of these is what I would point to as a good example.
that's so lame. two weeks ago the same series
had as much violence as they have today. and they
got almost shown. it's too much now?
usa is fucked up
ban the news as well
I turned on episode 3 last week during Jet's explaination of the chip, and thought it was an Outlaw opening for a second. I guess his monologue was too long and he slipped into narrator mode.
Well, I don't know about Bebop, but Gundam (at least 08th MS Team and Wing) doesn't have any sex in it. Violence, yes, but mostly "big metal robots." Besides, from what I've seen, Gundam always shows just how real war is. There's a strong pacifistic message in Gundam Wing, and Shiro Amada (of 08th) doesn't enjoy killing either. It would be really disappointing to me if CN cancelled its airing of these shows for such shallow reasons.
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A post on alt.tv.family-guy said that Fox had *permanantly* pulled "The City of New York Vs. Homer Simpson (4F22)" from syndication.
This, to me, reeks of a Stalinist purge. I can see pulling the show out for a couple of months, like the WB did with the Buffy season finale and the "Earshot" episode after Columbine, but to take it out forever is complete and utter overkill.
Oh, there's also a bin Laden reference in one of last year's Family Guy episodes which I'm sure will be obliterated. Thankfully I have that one on tape!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
The funny thing is that all of these TV shows & movies aren't being pulled to show sensitivity to the victims or the viewers, but for two more primary reasons: 1. Americans don't want to see the ways in which we portray the kind of violence that occurred last Tuesday in our cultural expressions all the time, so the media is white-washing itself. You would think there'd be no better time to put out a Swartzenneger movie about a firefighter who avenges the killing of his family by terrorists, but no... (This is because)... 2. History has shown that Americans want the blandest sh!t possible after major tragedies. For instance, after Kennedy was assassinated, TV turned heavily toward shows like Gilligan's Island & The Munsters. Ironically, before Kennedy's assassination there were many movies that foreshadowed it, like "Suddenly" (1954), where Frank Sinatra is intent on assassinating the president.
I used to watch Space Ghost & then Insomniac on Sunday nights, but Comedy Central fûcked up & they were both on at the same time. So I stayed with Cartoon Network & watched Cowboy BeBop, which was really cool. That was just last week, too. At least I saw it before they pulled it, now at least I can go rent it--and go to bed earlier. Subtitles are probably better than dubbing, anyway, as it was kind of disturbing to see anime that was so thoroughly white (after Akira & Ghost in the Shell). Was Battletech that white?
actually it's the taliban whose beliefs are taken to the letter and have forbidden things like television, flying kites?!?!, and any form of print other than the quran. the "good muslims" as you call them are generally less strict.
Come on, most stuff on tv has violence, all the cop shows, most of the movies and sci-fi, and
of course someone is always trying to kill the
road runner !
from alt.binaries.anime
Nah, they just wanna be able to run DragonBall Z 4 times a day, like they are now. After all. If they did that, they could run through the whole series something like 1.5 Billion times in a year.
No offense, but just how damn often can you show DBZ? I enjoy the series, but after the hundred millionth running on Cartoon Network, I'd like to see something different. I understand that the lineup is set to market to the kids who are at home at that hour, who would watch that show ad infinitum and never watch another happilly, but there's a lotta geeks like me who just happen to be able to watch TV from 5-7.
I tried watching some of this stuff (it's cartoons) for a little while but the plot made absolutly zero sense and the animation was on the level of speed racer.
Pretty pathetic, guys.
OK asshole...
Some of us like the feel of surreality. It gets us away fromm the shit we put up with day by day. You can watch CNN until you get an ulcer, but what is it doing for the world? Nothing. If people didnt get on with their lives, I'd still be hearing people mourning over Princess Di. If something truely important came up on the news besides "two planes crashed into the WTC Tuesday" I would hear it. but i dont want to see the families of victims crying cause they lost a loved one. I feel sorry for the victims. I gave blood. I listen to National Public Radio News every morning, but the hell if Im not going to enjoy the rest of my life!
I really liked cowboy bebop and gundam. Their whole purpose was to deglorify war. It may not look like that at first but it is. Lots of people lost loved ones. I know that. I have a lot of loved ones lost too. My friend was extremely close to losing her boyfriend. My friend lost her uncle. My doctor lost her friends. A lot of people that lost loved ones are going through what the character spike (from cowboy bebop)did. He wanted revenge for his lover's death. He wanted those people dead. So, he killed them. They got him back. He payed the ultimate price for that desicion. Death. Killing leads to more killing. It is a never ending loop. People will stop at nothing to prove they are correct and to get revenge. But these series show that it is not right. There are plenty of other more violent shows. Why not cancel them too? Why put our kids through all of this?
Also, you might recall Relina Peacecraft holding a teddy bear of a dead child (first intro). What does that tell you about children and war?
Kawai ta hitomi de dareka naite kure
(Someone cry for me with parched eyes)
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Hey there, folks. I can't speak about Cowboy Bebop, but the original Gundam series is being dropped, but not for any reasons having to do with the attacks.
According to Ain't It Cool, it's being dropped for the simple reaon of low ratings. It may a very important anime historically, but visually, compared to, say, Gundam Wing, and 8th MS Team (which is replacing MS Gundam in its time slot) is really dated.
So, please, stop spreading FUD, people.
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"Maybe this ep prompted this?"
I kinda doubt Bin Laden watches the Cartoon Network.
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Somebody on an anime message board pointed out that September 11 is also the date of Second Impact. Is there some kind of religious significance to that particular day?
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If you want to talk about a reach for TV censorship in world events, look no further than The Prisoner.
One episode of the Prisoner featured #6 as a sheriff who refused to use his gun.
This episode, in spite of the Vietnam War, was NOT shown in America until many years later.
I honestly don't know why Cartoon Network would try to run adult-oriented shows or why anyone would want Cartoon Network running their shows. Cartoon Network has a history of random, unannounced schedule changes, skipped episodes, and other screw-ups. This stuff should be running on Sci-Fi, where it belongs.
And as for not showing certain programs because some viewers might not like it, why not let the viewers decide. We already have a ratings system to tell people what they can expect to see in a show, so why can't people be allowed to judge for themselves what is or isn't acceptable for them to watch?
On the "deleting all references to the World Trade Center" front, that's just silly. We can't just erase the World Trade Center from the history books because it might make someone feel bad. We laugh at France for going nuts over the mere possibility that someone in France could find a way to purchase some Nazi-related item, but now the same kind of thing is happening in our entertainment industry. Now the terrorists have succeeded not only at taking the towers down in real life, but also at taking them out of other aspects of our lives. Is there anyone out there who isn't assisting the terrorists in the aftermath of this tragedy? How much more will we lose because of people overreacting?
Why is it everytime something big about anime is posted some moron goes: "Why is this news? I don't see how this is news for nerds or stuff that matters". Why can't people accept that sometimes there are different types of geeks out there? I may not like the articles about Online Privacy when they are only about the US (being that I'm Canadian) but I don't care that they are there. Maybe its something people haven't learned: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT MORON! Why on earth would you take the time out of your day to write some lame response to a submission you didn't like anyway?
On another note, does anyone find it ironic that the series play might be cancelled because of unrelated violence? Being that it wasn't aired entirely the first time in Japan owing partially to violence. Apparently a bunch of students brought knives to school and stabbed their teacher "because" of something they saw in anime. I watched the series on DVD under violence: drove like a maniac to buy it and threatened to hurt my room-mate if he got in the way of the TV.
Actually, I wonder if the media could erase all evidence of the WTC. History books could be written without reference to the WTC attack. Back issues of newspapers and magazines could be eliminated or outlawed. Relatives of those who died in the disaster could be made to "disappear". That way, future generations would never know there even was a terrorist attack. If we were to do this, we could totally defeat terrorism because terrorism would become pointless since no one would ever know about it.
Oops...not paying attention to my tags (I should "preview" more). It should read: However, passing judgement on others, calling us "losers," for watching/listening/reading/etc. **place your variable here** and wanting to discuss it isn't exactly the most mature or intelligent way to get your point across, bridge dweller.
Anyone else notice that the whole thing sounds like a plot hatched from watching all three Die Hard movies in one night?
You've got your big tall building blowing up from DH1.
You've got your airplane hijacking and deliberate crashes in DH2.
You've got exploding everything (including the subway under the WTC) in DH3.
And of course, as has been reported (too lazy to find the link) there's still several tons of gold buried underneath the WTC rubble, just like in DH3...
I'm not trying to make light of anything. It's just interesting how Hollywood and terrorism follow similar paths, with Hollywood leading the curve.
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>It's easy to speculate that Mobile Suit Gundam >and Cowboy Bebop were dropped because of
>Tuesday's terrorist attacks since each show has a >fair amount of violence,
I hope not. I've noticed that the overlying theme for the Mobile Suit Gundam series is the need for empathy with one's enemies, the dehumanizing effects of war, and the moral dilemmas soldiers face. In fact, it gets quite blatant at times, such as the plot for 08th MS Team, where the protagonist falls in love with an enemy soldier. Also, in Mobile Suit Gundam, Amuro Ray is always desserting to run off and sulk about having to kill people. Soldiers conidering their morality before following orders? Talk about a threat to national security.
Ohhhhh, now I get it. The terrorists would have been pacifists were they not watching too much Gundam.
Whoever modded this "Troll" should learn what a troll is before moderating. My post clearly stated my feeelings on the topics being discussed and was not meant to infuriate others or start a flame war. Last I checked, having an opinion does not make one a troll.
I also noticed lots of other self censorship on the movie channels. You'll never see Fight Club air on TV ever again.
It was on HBO a day or two after the attacks. It certainly surprised me...
Does anyone have an email addy that we could voice a complaint to? I saw my fist Cowboy bebop last week, and was ready to record this one...
Well, if all this is happening, then I can kiss my beloved Robotech bye-bye. Why, in one episode alone ("Force of Arms"), the death toll is in the tens or hundreds of billions. In that episode, both Earth and the Zentraedi Main Fleet (4.8 million ships) are destroyed. How this can inspire terrorism is beyond me, but now I'm waiting for the shit to hit the fan...
Washington, DC: It's like Hollywood for ugly people.
I'm not sure what all the fuss is - its still on according to my TiVo lineup. (It's just listed by individual shows instead of "Adult Swim".)
*shrug*
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All of this editing out of the WTC from media and not showing episodes that contain the WTC is really, really pissing me off. I am overjoyed that JFK, WWII, MLK, Vietnam, Challenger, etc. all happend before this infuriating Second Age Political Correctness set in or they too would be edited out of history.
USA-Democracy is 270 million YESes and NOes a day, not one every four years.
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Do you like episodic sci-fi novels? I mean, there are parallels in several media, but I really think most anime series aren't that off the wall. I think it's pretty pathetic that we don't judge things on a level playing field. It might be poorly animated, but aren't the camera angles and lighting crap on "Friends"? And do you really think the writing on "Suddenly Susan" was better than some anime series?
Pretty one-sided, man.
They showed a toonheads that show cased the Empire State building being destroyed. Maybe just a sick joke and the anime will return next week?
Yep, they cancelled it, and we now get "Toonheads". The first cartoon in the show just happened to be some musical thing where a skyscraper gets built, and at the end a door gets closed too hard and the whole thing comes crashing down. Yeah, real good move on their part.
Well, it's Midnight in ol' EST and no Cowboy Bebop... It's still in their TV listing on the site and was still on the TV Ad for the Adult Swim this Thursday. Hopefully they haven't pulled it for good.
Even though they had to butcher it severely to put it on TV, it's still too much?? It's midnight for christ's sake... This is rig-godern-diculous!
I guess I'll just have to shell out and buy it on DVD...
Anyone got fifty bucks? $-)
See you space cowboy...
Normally I would think nothing about it, until I watched it: the music follows a construction crew building an impossibly tall building called the "Umpire State" building, which cracks and crumbles in the end falling sown on top of the foreman and one of his workers.
Of course, it's a cartoon, and the two come out of the rubble alive. But it strikes me as odd, and hypocritcal, that CN pulled "Bebop" because it is too voilent, but then showed this instead. I think the Freleng short would do more to remind people of the attack than if Spike gets into a fight....
To the singapore/malaysia/thailand lineup instead of the australian feed we had.
Now everything runs 5 hours later and we've lost Pinky & the Brain and lot more cool shows.
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Since I'm glued to the news coverage while I am at home, and unable to watch TV at work, I really haven't given much thought to catching the Adult Swim. But this is a travesty. By taking one of the best series to come out of Japan in recent times and replacing it with what are obviously the most violent cartoons in history is preposterous.
Living in the area I do, I don't get to see much of my beloved Anime except what comes down the pipe at CN. I was really looking forward to seeing Bebop and see what the hype was about. I was deffinately liking it, too. What next, no Die Hard Trilogy flicks on TBS? We know this is real, and must deal with it as best we can. Watching scenes we are familiar with (as far as cinema goes) will not hurt us at all.
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At last. I've found an AC who said something I can agree with 100%. We should all get on with our lives, and soon. I'm gagging on coverage, too, and need a release.
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That's all that needs to be said
Cowboy Bebop was called Outlaw Star when aired in Japan. Why Cartoon Network retained this stupid a$$'d name is beyond me. Shows how much you guys know your anime ;-). But never fear they probably only exempted it temporarily cuz of the diaster.
It airs 11:30 on monday the 17th, 2.5 hours Eastern time away as of this writing.
Check the listing yourself.... It's there. I guess they made the schedule oriented around central time. http://alt.cartoonnetwork.com/Schedule/0,3671,CTN% 7C0%7C%7CCentral,00.html?time_zones=Central&date_p ick=0
If CN was following the natural progression of the series, the first episode they would have shown was Ballad of the Fallen Angels. Among other things, this ep. featured a church getting blown up, perhaps not the greatest thing to show on a Sunday after this week.
Gee, Sailor Moon was on, what, 2 or 3 years? I don't consider that a quick drop, and they aired all the "new" episodes at least twice, if not three times.
Similarliy, Gundam Wing was aired several times, and could be back again. Mobile Suit Gundam is another matter, but then again, it is the one people are wondering about, because it IS unusual for CN to ditch a series before it completed a cycle even once. It's just not normal, believe it or not.
How the bloody hell is it "respectful"? That's what I hate about this country (I don't know if it's different in other nations; it might well just be a lameness of humans in general). Whenever something tragic occurs, censorship of anything that's even vaguely similar to the event (and even things that AREN'T) is suddenly viewed as a show of "respect" for the victims.
Instead of CB, my Tivo caught a WWII era Merrie Melodies cartoon last night at mignight. It's titled Rhapsody in Rivets and involves building the "Umpire State" building to music. At the end, someone closes the door and it comes crashing down!
Maybe someone with a sense of humor didn't like pulling CB??
If Chaos Theory has taught us anything, it's that we must kill all the butterflies.
The first piece of futage showing pay-back-time will get plenty of coverage.
invzder zim was yanked. no news about why.
Go here and write some feedback. Here is what I wrote:
Your marketing is great! I can't wait to see Justice League...as long as you don't pull it off the network! What the hell happened to Cowboy Bebop? How about Gundam? Are you bowing to terrorist activities? Cowboy Bebop is one of the best stories every shown and you yank it off your adult show just because you are afraid of terrorists. Its un-American. You changed the lives of thousands of people by altering your programming and you aid the terrorists activities.
Bring Cowboy Bebop back to Adult Swim. DBZ is great, but you've got to get more Anime in to maximize your potential. Don't be afraid of terrorists or the backlash it creates. The best thing we can do is go about our normal lives.
The only way to get more Anime is to let the know. I just hope we don't have to kill trees to do it.
Remember The Tick.
Check out the listings here:
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:)
http://alt.cartoonnetwork.com/Schedule/0,3671,C
It looks like they might be showing it again. Maybe all the whining paid off!