When they do, they use whatever means are available at the time to commit their crime.
Pfft. 90% of crimes are committed under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Even murders are very often not planned, and access to a gun means that the probability of committing a crime rises. Your "people do what they want and will always find a way" does imply that nothing we do will help against crime. Reality proves otherwise.
I've downloaded different versions and same version several times for my own use after several reinstalls.
Well, I've downloaded it many times without being counted - from debian and ubuntu servers. You know, Firefox' license doesn't prohibit redistribution. I'm sure every sysadmin installing Firefox on 100+ computers use only one copy.
Guess my DOS wasn't as nice as yours. See, my DOS kept crashing all the time. For instance, it would lock up all the time when running BASIC, and don't get me started on games.
Honestly, any program could crash DOS 3.21 because of the bad^H^H^Hnon-existant memory protection. And a lot (badly written, to be fair) programs did.
Uhm. And when you're robbed on the street, never give them your wallet. Get beaten, raped, killed. Just don't give them your wallet - they might just get tempted to do it again.
Moral is nice. Getting phucked is not. We can't expect every single person or company to act in public interest if that means they might get killed doing so.
What is really needed, is serious money being pushed into Interpol, and hiring whitehats there. Online criminals aren't going to spend much time in countries with strong federal police, like the US.
The implications of that would be that you could get prosecuted for giving your wallet to a thug. I, for one, hope no court is that stupid. However, you could possibly be criticized for not telling the authorities about it afterwards (but I doubt it is punishable).
READ UP, I say. I completely understand what you're saying (capital value == value), but please notice that it is not the point! A very good example of why capital value cannot be the only kind of value is Linux. While it has no capital value in itself (it cannot be sold), it seems to have huge value to users and third-party distributors. Such complexities aren't easily explained through market theories. In straightforward market thinking, Linux would not have been developed. No rational being should, according to the capital value is the only value theorem, want to work with free software without getting paid. Well, they are obviously wrong.
Value is therefore a very complex entity, and I recommend reading the first chapters of Marx' "Das Kapital" for a thorough introduction into this complexity. (And don't worry, you won't become a communist: It is only an analysis)
What other office suites? You mean all the office suites except OpenOffice, StarOffice, KOffice and the Gnome Office project, which all are planning to use/are already using it?
Ah, please, read up on Marx and Smith. I understand your sentiment, but value isn't simply what it is worth to someone. How do you measure that? Is food more worth than gold? Is gold more worth than silver? Questions like these need a more fine-grained definition of value than "what it's worth to someone".
Well, since the article is about the Noble Piece prize, and not the Nobel Peace Prize, this is strictly speaking off-topic. But I'll bite nevertheless.
Maathai did not get the prize for claiming the AIDS virus was engineered [1]. She got the prize for making an important contribution to peace: growing trees, securing water and food supplies of central Africa.
The committee stressed the point of linking peace with the environment, and this certainly makes sense. It everyone has enough food and water, no-one has to attack other people to get to it. Serious, world-wide famine would likely cause raging wars as people wander around to get to the food.
While I agree that Mrs. Maathai's political orientation seems a bit off in quite a few ways, I do not feel that it disqualifies her for the peace prize.
[1] But can anyone prove that it wasn't, by the way?
FLAMEBAIT my ass. The scouts were definitely racist, and in many countries fascist, in the 1930s. That is heavily documented, and anyone with an interest for the history of fascism would know. Flamebait would be OK if I claimed that they still are...
IP merit badge or not- the Boy Scouts have been the very model of training young boys to become fine upstanding "citizens" to our corporate oligarchy for 150 years now
And let's not forget the racist/fascist training which suddenly stopped in 1945.
Except that [value] given by the act of creation which open source wants to remove.....
The value isn't removed. It is just not compensated through royalties (e.g. sales). Many GPL programmers are paid salaries. Nevertheless, the value of the program is equal to the value of the time the programmers spent writing it. That value may be zero, because it would otherwise be spent watching TV.
It's really hard to apply the principles of Smith or Marx to values in a GPL economy. But the value has obviously not gone away.
f your yoda-like super-knowledgeable third-worlders know how to make houses better than we do, WHY DON'T THEY?
Why do all the shacks I've seen overseas (both with my own eyes and in the news) look like they're made of scrap wood, cardboard boxes, and pieces of rusty metal? Are you honestly telling me that you think those people wouldn't be interested in better ways of building a house for themselves?
Well, first of all, most people living in shacks live in shacks because they don't have money for anything more. But also because other commodities than houses are more important in temperate climates. The Norwegian government (I'm Norwegian, so I only know Norwegian aid history) has made many mistakes when they tried to build houses around the world. They generally turn out to be too hot, too expensive to maintain, socially unacceptable and so on.
I'm not saying know-how isn't important in aid. But local knowledge has long been underestimated in aid projects, leading to disasters. Read up on aid projects causing famine (due to some idea on introducing new plants), disease (due to (actually) houses becoming infested) and general poverty (due to many different reasons, for instance introducing too much food into a market).
I totally agree that education is a key to welfare. I can't understand how you arrive at the conclusion that I disagree.
I'm definitely not saying that we can't help the (so-called) third world because it's pointless. I am, however, saying that laptops with Internet is not going to put a lot of money in the hands of unhappy shack-owners all over Africa, and therefore, it won't help how many ideas they get about how they want their house to be like.
Know-how and education is one part of development. Economy and structural factors another. Stability and peace yet another. Development comes from strengthening them all.
You're essentially saying "We cannot help the third world because their governments are corrupt, and the big nasty west is exploiting them, so it's pointless to try anything at all."
Build strawman. Bash. Bash. Bash.
(And please notice again: I did never say it was bad to spread laptops across Africa)
I feel morally defensible, thank you very much. The person you see in your head while thinking of me I'm not ready to defend.
Well, my programs are seldom accessed by external forces during execution, and my lists are more often than not generated by myself. So I usually have quite large confidence in my lists.
While I don't find your code example very "plain", I find it amusing that you assume some programmer has to "decypher my cryptic functions". In all reasonable Scheme programs, I would make accessors for my lists (or trees, or tables, or whatever), and then use them. That serves as an explanation as well:
I've written tons of press releases for my NGO, and they are consequently written in a "finished interview third person view"-article style. Many of them got cut & pasted into real newspapers.
It's lazy, but it doesn't mean they don't check the facts in it! IOW, I find it strange to "bust" anyone for it. If the press release is well enough written, balanced and has correct facts, why write it again with different words?
I would like to say I can't understand how your juvenile anti-microsoft tagalong comments about Microsoft's business got moderated up so high, but I already hit that nail in my reply.
Your adult, mature and fact-filled response convinced me. Anyone who talks against MS is juvenile.
Take a look at your writeup. Then look at the grandparent. Who is being juvenile here? How do you know he's trollish when he says Longhorn is a no-show? I actually agree, and I'm no troll. Based on everything I've seen of the OS, I'm utterly unconvinced and won't recommend buying for upgrades - unless I get to see some features MS hasn't disclosed yet. I did recommend such upgrades to WinXP.
You, my dear friend, are the troll. Because you read into a short sentence and entire world of juvenile anti-MS-bashing, where there could easily be both mature and reasonable arguments. Discussion is good. No-one is completely right. Yelling and name-calling makes us all look stupid.
And just how do you suppose you should access for instance the cdr of the car of the cdr of a list? (cdr (car (cdr x)))? Why is that easier to read than (cdadr x)?
When was the last time Albert Einstein was refered to as "that German professor", or Isaac Newton as "that English scientist"? It's just not relevant.
Uh... every textbook I've ever read refer to them that way, until the author of the textbook assumes that you know them and their history already.
I checked my introduction to philosophy textbook, which almost exclusively refers to philosophers by nationality in the first paragraph they're mentioned.
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When they do, they use whatever means are available at the time to commit their crime.
Pfft. 90% of crimes are committed under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Even murders are very often not planned, and access to a gun means that the probability of committing a crime rises. Your "people do what they want and will always find a way" does imply that nothing we do will help against crime. Reality proves otherwise.
The Babylonians used base-360 a lot, which is where we get our circles from.
And let's not forget our time system. 12 and 60 are fractions of 360.
I've downloaded different versions and same version several times for my own use after several reinstalls.
Well, I've downloaded it many times without being counted - from debian and ubuntu servers. You know, Firefox' license doesn't prohibit redistribution. I'm sure every sysadmin installing Firefox on 100+ computers use only one copy.
Anyway, users != downloads.
2. DOS is dead-bang reliable as of version 3.21
Guess my DOS wasn't as nice as yours. See, my DOS kept crashing all the time. For instance, it would lock up all the time when running BASIC, and don't get me started on games.
Honestly, any program could crash DOS 3.21 because of the bad^H^H^Hnon-existant memory protection. And a lot (badly written, to be fair) programs did.
Uhm. And when you're robbed on the street, never give them your wallet. Get beaten, raped, killed. Just don't give them your wallet - they might just get tempted to do it again.
Moral is nice. Getting phucked is not. We can't expect every single person or company to act in public interest if that means they might get killed doing so.
What is really needed, is serious money being pushed into Interpol, and hiring whitehats there. Online criminals aren't going to spend much time in countries with strong federal police, like the US.
The implications of that would be that you could get prosecuted for giving your wallet to a thug. I, for one, hope no court is that stupid. However, you could possibly be criticized for not telling the authorities about it afterwards (but I doubt it is punishable).
READ UP, I say. I completely understand what you're saying (capital value == value), but please notice that it is not the point! A very good example of why capital value cannot be the only kind of value is Linux. While it has no capital value in itself (it cannot be sold), it seems to have huge value to users and third-party distributors. Such complexities aren't easily explained through market theories. In straightforward market thinking, Linux would not have been developed. No rational being should, according to the capital value is the only value theorem, want to work with free software without getting paid. Well, they are obviously wrong.
Value is therefore a very complex entity, and I recommend reading the first chapters of Marx' "Das Kapital" for a thorough introduction into this complexity. (And don't worry, you won't become a communist: It is only an analysis)
What other office suites? You mean all the office suites except OpenOffice, StarOffice, KOffice and the Gnome Office project, which all are planning to use/are already using it?
Ah, please, read up on Marx and Smith. I understand your sentiment, but value isn't simply what it is worth to someone. How do you measure that? Is food more worth than gold? Is gold more worth than silver? Questions like these need a more fine-grained definition of value than "what it's worth to someone".
Just data storage, which /. in its infinite wisdom places into the hardware category.
The Nobel foundation in Zurich??? Uhm. You misspelled Oslo.
Well, since the article is about the Noble Piece prize, and not the Nobel Peace Prize, this is strictly speaking off-topic. But I'll bite nevertheless.
Maathai did not get the prize for claiming the AIDS virus was engineered [1]. She got the prize for making an important contribution to peace: growing trees, securing water and food supplies of central Africa.
The committee stressed the point of linking peace with the environment, and this certainly makes sense. It everyone has enough food and water, no-one has to attack other people to get to it. Serious, world-wide famine would likely cause raging wars as people wander around to get to the food.
While I agree that Mrs. Maathai's political orientation seems a bit off in quite a few ways, I do not feel that it disqualifies her for the peace prize.
[1] But can anyone prove that it wasn't, by the way?
FLAMEBAIT my ass. The scouts were definitely racist, and in many countries fascist, in the 1930s. That is heavily documented, and anyone with an interest for the history of fascism would know. Flamebait would be OK if I claimed that they still are...
Actually that is a matter of opinion, not fact.
NT4 needed a reboot to change network information. Win2k fixed that
Not all network information. For instance domain or workgroup membership.
IP merit badge or not- the Boy Scouts have been the very model of training young boys to become fine upstanding "citizens" to our corporate oligarchy for 150 years now
And let's not forget the racist/fascist training which suddenly stopped in 1945.
Except that [value] given by the act of creation which open source wants to remove.....
The value isn't removed. It is just not compensated through royalties (e.g. sales). Many GPL programmers are paid salaries. Nevertheless, the value of the program is equal to the value of the time the programmers spent writing it. That value may be zero, because it would otherwise be spent watching TV.
It's really hard to apply the principles of Smith or Marx to values in a GPL economy. But the value has obviously not gone away.
f your yoda-like super-knowledgeable third-worlders know how to make houses better than we do, WHY DON'T THEY?
Why do all the shacks I've seen overseas (both with my own eyes and in the news) look like they're made of scrap wood, cardboard boxes, and pieces of rusty metal? Are you honestly telling me that you think those people wouldn't be interested in better ways of building a house for themselves?
Well, first of all, most people living in shacks live in shacks because they don't have money for anything more. But also because other commodities than houses are more important in temperate climates. The Norwegian government (I'm Norwegian, so I only know Norwegian aid history) has made many mistakes when they tried to build houses around the world. They generally turn out to be too hot, too expensive to maintain, socially unacceptable and so on.
I'm not saying know-how isn't important in aid. But local knowledge has long been underestimated in aid projects, leading to disasters. Read up on aid projects causing famine (due to some idea on introducing new plants), disease (due to (actually) houses becoming infested) and general poverty (due to many different reasons, for instance introducing too much food into a market).
I totally agree that education is a key to welfare. I can't understand how you arrive at the conclusion that I disagree.
I'm definitely not saying that we can't help the (so-called) third world because it's pointless. I am, however, saying that laptops with Internet is not going to put a lot of money in the hands of unhappy shack-owners all over Africa, and therefore, it won't help how many ideas they get about how they want their house to be like.
Know-how and education is one part of development. Economy and structural factors another. Stability and peace yet another. Development comes from strengthening them all.
You're essentially saying "We cannot help the third world because their governments are corrupt, and the big nasty west is exploiting them, so it's pointless to try anything at all."
Build strawman. Bash. Bash. Bash.
(And please notice again: I did never say it was bad to spread laptops across Africa)
I feel morally defensible, thank you very much. The person you see in your head while thinking of me I'm not ready to defend.
Well, my programs are seldom accessed by external forces during execution, and my lists are more often than not generated by myself. So I usually have quite large confidence in my lists.
While I don't find your code example very "plain", I find it amusing that you assume some programmer has to "decypher my cryptic functions". In all reasonable Scheme programs, I would make accessors for my lists (or trees, or tables, or whatever), and then use them. That serves as an explanation as well:
See? Not so hard.
duh. well enough balanced for them to print it, obviously.
I've written tons of press releases for my NGO, and they are consequently written in a "finished interview third person view"-article style. Many of them got cut & pasted into real newspapers.
It's lazy, but it doesn't mean they don't check the facts in it! IOW, I find it strange to "bust" anyone for it. If the press release is well enough written, balanced and has correct facts, why write it again with different words?
I would like to say I can't understand how your juvenile anti-microsoft tagalong comments about Microsoft's business got moderated up so high, but I already hit that nail in my reply.
Your adult, mature and fact-filled response convinced me. Anyone who talks against MS is juvenile.
Take a look at your writeup. Then look at the grandparent. Who is being juvenile here? How do you know he's trollish when he says Longhorn is a no-show? I actually agree, and I'm no troll. Based on everything I've seen of the OS, I'm utterly unconvinced and won't recommend buying for upgrades - unless I get to see some features MS hasn't disclosed yet. I did recommend such upgrades to WinXP.
You, my dear friend, are the troll. Because you read into a short sentence and entire world of juvenile anti-MS-bashing, where there could easily be both mature and reasonable arguments. Discussion is good. No-one is completely right. Yelling and name-calling makes us all look stupid.
And just how do you suppose you should access for instance the cdr of the car of the cdr of a list? (cdr (car (cdr x)))? Why is that easier to read than (cdadr x)?
When was the last time Albert Einstein was refered to as "that German professor", or Isaac Newton as "that English scientist"? It's just not relevant.
Uh... every textbook I've ever read refer to them that way, until the author of the textbook assumes that you know them and their history already.
I checked my introduction to philosophy textbook, which almost exclusively refers to philosophers by nationality in the first paragraph they're mentioned.
I think it's just you, yes.
However, the *worst* thing anyone gaining access to that account could do (apart from see how I've been spending my money) is to pay my bills for me.
And what exactly is stopping them from paying a bill to their own account?