That would not explain why crime drops after concealed carry laws are passed. Given two states with similar or at least comparable crime rates, when one allows concealed carry, crime drops. It does not drop a comparable amount in the other state.
Nor would it explain why crime drops after a case where someone successfully defended against an assault by shooting and killing the attacker is broadcast all over TV and radio.
>Let's please not make the "guns are just a tool" argument.
Why not? You have said nothing to refute it. Unless you or some other "person" uses or abuses the tool, nothing happens. Just like the saw, the gun just sits there. Until someone that does not know to use it or does not practice proper discipline while using it arrives.
>It's logical to argue that if people are allowed to carry guns, they are well prepared to defend
>themselves against those who have obtained guns illegally.
Not just against those that have illegal guns, anyone.
The pistol I carry is not a tool for shooting people. It is a tool for self defense. Just like the locks on my doors, the security system at home and the dog. Speaking of dangerous, the dog can and does act alone! Are we going to outlaw dogs?
I have shot many, many holes in paper. I have yet to shoot anyone. I have shown my pistol to some people. I have demonstrated it to my friends. I have also shown it to one person that approached me with a knife.
>actually suggesting that gunplay should be on the curriculum alongside maths and history
Sure, it used to be why not now? Rifle and Pistol Team was great fun. Odd, I don't remember any armed assaults on schools happening back then. Did you skip that history class?
>I suppose that having guns on the premises would make it easier for the Columbine kids to go on a rampage
Sure it would, except they probably wouldn't do such a thing knowing that their targets can shoot back.
>why not give each child his or her OWN gun
Good idea! We already give out condoms, why not guns? Hell, Every child in my family has their own, gun. I'll let them get their own condoms.
>it'd put a stop to playground bullying
Now that you bring it up, I don't think bullies were so much of a problem back when "gunplay" was on the curriculum along side math and history.
I imagine that most songs with such degrading or insulting content will be rather unpopular for quite some time anyway. No one will want to listen to them, why bother playing them.
...My friend's site is now down. His servers are located on the south end of Manhattan and have been running on diesel since they cut off the power Tuesday. They ran out of "gas" yesterday.:-(
There's no way that the US gov could police us all for *any* particular purpose. For example, they can't even stop us from funding drug lords in Columbia and we *do* have lots of laws against that. They are smart enough to not even bother trying to stop us from "just sending money to my relatives overseas".
Please explain this to your peers. I wonder if the UK has banned Sinn Fein funding itself? Did it have any effect? Has anyone been prosecuted for breaking said law? I really am curious since from my point of view from this side of the A the reason that it has not been banned is so obvious that it certainly should not merit press coverage, discussion, or debate at all.
Sorry to lay it out like that, but since I have honestly no position on that particular situation, perhaps I can objectively add that what some call "terrorists", others call "freedom fighters", or heroes. Yes, I can say that even in light of what has happened here. I can understand why some in Egypt would celebrate. I can still be angry and have a desire for vengance as well...
OTOH, you can bet that the various agencies will be analyzing all trades in stocks, precious metals, oil futures etc. on the various exhanges around the world so that perhaps they can find leads to people that did know that this was coming. Perhaps a few speculated with a number of well placed orders figuring that they could make material gain as well as "spiritual". I would not be surprised if they do find a few that opened accounts and shorted some stocks the day before, bought a bunch of gold, and then sold after, etc.
An idiot tried to mug me with a knife. Apparently he thought the vacuum cleaner I had in my left hand was something valuable and he didn't see the 3 foot long steel vacuum cleaner pipe I had in my right hand. It didn't require much thinking. He called out "Hey you". I turned around. He brandished the knife. I swung the pipe. He fell. I went in and called the police. I went back out, watched over him and waited.
MAJOR rush. It is definitely hard to think under those conditions.
The police officers shook their heads in disbelief after the ex-idiot was on his way to the morgue with a smashed in head. They let me go. I've had no further trouble of that sort.
> And to fight it, we will need to lower ourselves
> to their level -- and maybe even then some.
You cannot sit and wait for them to poke their noses above the drain, else you will never win. You will only be able to knock off the stupid ones, while the smart ones are working behind your back raiding the pantry.
Somehow the idea of a declaration of war has gotten an attached requirement of a "Nation State" as the target. This is simply not true.
The USA was once at war with "The Barbary Pirates" who were the equivalent of modern terrorists in their day.
As far as the Constitution and laws of the US are concerned, "war" is simply a different operational state for the government. Different things are allowed while at war. As such it is dangerous to invoke war because many civil liberties can be tossed with out the process that is involved while not at war. So a declaration of war is a very serious matter; something that should be considered very carefully, at least in the USA.
I have long maintained that the first product that was mass produced was not an automobile as in Henry Ford, rather it was alcohol as in beer and wine.
That's nano/biotech at it's best.
More recently we have discovered fungi that make antibacterial materials. Now we can actually do open body surgery and have some real expectation to recover from the wounds.
Even more recently we have engineered bacteria to make insulin. We have big tubs of these nano-bio-machines. Each one is a tiny self replicating insulin synthesis plant.
What's the big huff about nano/bio/whatever tech? It's been around for millenia! Only the words used when talking about it are different.
While working in Hawaii on the island of Oahu, one evening on the way home I picked up a Texas Rangers post game show on the car radio, loud and clear. For the curious, it was 50KW(I think) WBAP 820 back then.
At first I was flabbergasted, what in the world is some Hawaiian radio station doing talking about the Rangers? Then I recognized some of the broadcasters' voices and finally heard a station ID.
>As for moral and technical issues,
>they are often ignored by corporations
As if corps are somehow special because of this behavior. Corps are run by people, and just like people, no, BECAUSE of the people that run them, they have the same failings. If anything, they commit fewer moral transgressions than the equivalent people just because there are some "good" people in the mix that will make efforts to counter the "bad" people.
There are no "good" nor evil corps. There are however some good and some really, really, evil people, and evil people will do evil things whether they are in a position of power and influence or not.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
You might look up some older EE types. They all have decent math backgrounds. I know a couple that are retired that work in university labs for free, just for the fun of it. Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
What I was after was the "first contact". It seemed that they were touting the NEAR mission as the first time the USA has been the first to touch another body(landing or not). For "first touch" they are not the first. If they make a good landing then it will mark a first for the USA. Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
The stable ones are somewhat more limited. It is even possible to have multiple planets in the same orbit(same plane, same params). The 180 opposed configuration that you proposed is not stable. The 60+/- or 120+/- is stable(ever hear of Lagrange points or Trojan asteroids?). So is a configuration like the one we have: Earth + Moon in a "common" orbit around the Sun.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
The only reasons that I support Reps when there is no LP candidate are because they are generally in favor of a smaller government and are generally strong on national defense. Those two features also happen to be constitutional. I think that the feds should mind their own business, which appropriately enough, does not include my business. While a smaller govt. is not exactly what I'm after, it's closer to my ideal than what we have now and a smaller federal govt. means a de facto less powerful and less intrusive one. I really don't give a flip about whatever family values the pres. or any candidate exhibits, since I have my own and no campaign is going to change them.
I think that you'll find that there are many more people that "are" libertarian compared to the number that "think" they are. There are a lot of folks who consider themselves Reps and/or Dems who have personal "platforms" that match that of the LP much better than those of the two majors. Why they don't vote that way I don't know. Perhaps if they did, then the USA wouldn't be working within a two party system.
Read the constitution, really. It can be enlightening. You'd think that it would be required in all of the government schools. For some reason(?) it is not. After that, surf over to Amazon and have them ship you a copy of The Federalist Papers. Come on out of the closet and join us. There is afterall a certain prestige associated with thinking, acting, and voting along side of the 99th percentile rather than with the crowd.
Cheers, here's to anticipating the next election!
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
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That would not explain why crime drops after concealed carry laws are passed. Given two states with similar or at least comparable crime rates, when one allows concealed carry, crime drops. It does not drop a comparable amount in the other state.
Nor would it explain why crime drops after a case where someone successfully defended against an assault by shooting and killing the attacker is broadcast all over TV and radio.
>Let's please not make the "guns are just a tool" argument.
Why not? You have said nothing to refute it. Unless you or some other "person" uses or abuses the tool, nothing happens. Just like the saw, the gun just sits there. Until someone that does not know to use it or does not practice proper discipline while using it arrives.
>It's logical to argue that if people are allowed to carry guns, they are well prepared to defend
>themselves against those who have obtained guns illegally.
Not just against those that have illegal guns, anyone.
The pistol I carry is not a tool for shooting people. It is a tool for self defense. Just like the locks on my doors, the security system at home and the dog. Speaking of dangerous, the dog can and does act alone! Are we going to outlaw dogs?
I have shot many, many holes in paper. I have yet to shoot anyone. I have shown my pistol to some people. I have demonstrated it to my friends. I have also shown it to one person that approached me with a knife.
>actually suggesting that gunplay should be on the curriculum alongside maths and history
Sure, it used to be why not now? Rifle and Pistol Team was great fun. Odd, I don't remember any armed assaults on schools happening back then. Did you skip that history class?
>I suppose that having guns on the premises would make it easier for the Columbine kids to go on a rampage
Sure it would, except they probably wouldn't do such a thing knowing that their targets can shoot back.
>why not give each child his or her OWN gun
Good idea! We already give out condoms, why not guns? Hell, Every child in my family has their own, gun. I'll let them get their own condoms.
>it'd put a stop to playground bullying
Now that you bring it up, I don't think bullies were so much of a problem back when "gunplay" was on the curriculum along side math and history.
That's all for now...
access_log is now 1500% larger than normal...
At least I doubt it will.
I imagine that most songs with such degrading or insulting content will be rather unpopular for quite some time anyway. No one will want to listen to them, why bother playing them.
...My friend's site is now down. His servers are located on the south end of Manhattan and have been running on diesel since they cut off the power Tuesday. They ran out of "gas" yesterday. :-(
...you were trying to be.
Taken seriously, who are the cats?
What if the cats don't want to do our dirty work?
Ethically, what is the distinction between using our own hands and using hired hands?
...economically anyway.
There's no way that the US gov could police us all for *any* particular purpose. For example, they can't even stop us from funding drug lords in Columbia and we *do* have lots of laws against that. They are smart enough to not even bother trying to stop us from "just sending money to my relatives overseas".
Please explain this to your peers. I wonder if the UK has banned Sinn Fein funding itself? Did it have any effect? Has anyone been prosecuted for breaking said law? I really am curious since from my point of view from this side of the A the reason that it has not been banned is so obvious that it certainly should not merit press coverage, discussion, or debate at all.
Sorry to lay it out like that, but since I have honestly no position on that particular situation, perhaps I can objectively add that what some call "terrorists", others call "freedom fighters", or heroes. Yes, I can say that even in light of what has happened here. I can understand why some in Egypt would celebrate. I can still be angry and have a desire for vengance as well...
OTOH, you can bet that the various agencies will be analyzing all trades in stocks, precious metals, oil futures etc. on the various exhanges around the world so that perhaps they can find leads to people that did know that this was coming. Perhaps a few speculated with a number of well placed orders figuring that they could make material gain as well as "spiritual". I would not be surprised if they do find a few that opened accounts and shorted some stocks the day before, bought a bunch of gold, and then sold after, etc.
When I was young...
An idiot tried to mug me with a knife. Apparently he thought the vacuum cleaner I had in my left hand was something valuable and he didn't see the 3 foot long steel vacuum cleaner pipe I had in my right hand. It didn't require much thinking. He called out "Hey you". I turned around. He brandished the knife. I swung the pipe. He fell. I went in and called the police. I went back out, watched over him and waited.
MAJOR rush. It is definitely hard to think under those conditions.
The police officers shook their heads in disbelief after the ex-idiot was on his way to the morgue with a smashed in head. They let me go. I've had no further trouble of that sort.
...you must enter the sewer.
> And to fight it, we will need to lower ourselves
> to their level -- and maybe even then some.
You cannot sit and wait for them to poke their noses above the drain, else you will never win. You will only be able to knock off the stupid ones, while the smart ones are working behind your back raiding the pantry.
Somehow the idea of a declaration of war has gotten an attached requirement of a "Nation State" as the target. This is simply not true.
The USA was once at war with "The Barbary Pirates" who were the equivalent of modern terrorists in their day.
As far as the Constitution and laws of the US are concerned, "war" is simply a different operational state for the government. Different things are allowed while at war. As such it is dangerous to invoke war because many civil liberties can be tossed with out the process that is involved while not at war. So a declaration of war is a very serious matter; something that should be considered very carefully, at least in the USA.
That's the way the world works.
What you suggest is to lay down and be bulldozed, not a very attractive proposition.
Not much really.
I have long maintained that the first product that was mass produced was not an automobile as in Henry Ford, rather it was alcohol as in beer and wine.
That's nano/biotech at it's best.
More recently we have discovered fungi that make antibacterial materials. Now we can actually do open body surgery and have some real expectation to recover from the wounds.
Even more recently we have engineered bacteria to make insulin. We have big tubs of these nano-bio-machines. Each one is a tiny self replicating insulin synthesis plant.
What's the big huff about nano/bio/whatever tech? It's been around for millenia! Only the words used when talking about it are different.
While working in Hawaii on the island of Oahu, one evening on the way home I picked up a Texas Rangers post game show on the car radio, loud and clear. For the curious, it was 50KW(I think) WBAP 820 back then.
At first I was flabbergasted, what in the world is some Hawaiian radio station doing talking about the Rangers? Then I recognized some of the broadcasters' voices and finally heard a station ID.
Then I was really amazed.
Really? Proprietary software that includes gcc?
Not any more. No matter if it's a passenger's or not.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
>As for moral and technical issues,
>they are often ignored by corporations
As if corps are somehow special because of this behavior. Corps are run by people, and just like people, no, BECAUSE of the people that run them, they have the same failings. If anything, they commit fewer moral transgressions than the equivalent people just because there are some "good" people in the mix that will make efforts to counter the "bad" people.
There are no "good" nor evil corps. There are however some good and some really, really, evil people, and evil people will do evil things whether they are in a position of power and influence or not.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
You might look up some older EE types. They all have decent math backgrounds. I know a couple that are retired that work in university labs for free, just for the fun of it.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
Remember the RC car that you got for Christmas?
What did you do with it?
Why you ran it until the batteries were dead of course.
Until that time, you ran it everywhere it could go...
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
I remember this stuff.
What I was after was the "first contact". It seemed that they were touting the NEAR mission as the first time the USA has been the first to touch another body(landing or not). For "first touch" they are not the first. If they make a good landing then it will mark a first for the USA.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
...rather than crash, ie ending up nonfunctional after contact is my definition of a crash.
All of the previous "first contact" missions have been "hard" landings, ie crashes, or in the case of Jupiter, a burn up in the atmosphere.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
Has everyone forgotten the probe to Jupiter?
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
The stable ones are somewhat more limited. It is even possible to have multiple planets in the same orbit(same plane, same params). The 180 opposed configuration that you proposed is not stable. The 60+/- or 120+/- is stable(ever hear of Lagrange points or Trojan asteroids?). So is a configuration like the one we have: Earth + Moon in a "common" orbit around the Sun.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
...libertarian to me.
Look up the L party line and see what you think.
The only reasons that I support Reps when there is no LP candidate are because they are generally in favor of a smaller government and are generally strong on national defense. Those two features also happen to be constitutional. I think that the feds should mind their own business, which appropriately enough, does not include my business. While a smaller govt. is not exactly what I'm after, it's closer to my ideal than what we have now and a smaller federal govt. means a de facto less powerful and less intrusive one. I really don't give a flip about whatever family values the pres. or any candidate exhibits, since I have my own and no campaign is going to change them.
I think that you'll find that there are many more people that "are" libertarian compared to the number that "think" they are. There are a lot of folks who consider themselves Reps and/or Dems who have personal "platforms" that match that of the LP much better than those of the two majors. Why they don't vote that way I don't know. Perhaps if they did, then the USA wouldn't be working within a two party system.
Read the constitution, really. It can be enlightening. You'd think that it would be required in all of the government schools. For some reason(?) it is not. After that, surf over to Amazon and have them ship you a copy of The Federalist Papers. Come on out of the closet and join us. There is afterall a certain prestige associated with thinking, acting, and voting along side of the 99th percentile rather than with the crowd.
Cheers, here's to anticipating the next election!
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.