Neither were you right that the FAQ doesn't treat it differently. Also, while 'funny' should be blatantly obvious, it actually gets an explanation twice.. you may not find that odd or goign to great length, considering the subject at hand, I do think it goes to great length to explain this.
I didn't say that the FAQ doesn't treat funny differently, I said "In only one place in the FAQ is funny treated to more comprehensive explanation than other moderations". Read it carefully. Please don't make me quote that line to you a third time. Also note that it is an FAQ: all the positive mods are blatantly obvious, yet they get explained. Funny happens to get a couple of notes elsewhere pointing out that funny doesn't add karma. That's not "great lengths".
The exact result of a single post you cannot judge, and I don't think karma should in any way be a major consideration. But when you are moderating anyway, you know that your actions will have some effect on others, and I really don't see any reason why that is wrong to keep in mind.
I don't object to keeping it mind at all, although I don't see the point because you can't know what effect you're having. I do object to people switching from an accurate funny mod to an inaccurate interesting mod because you don't agree with the site owners' rules. If you're worried about reversing the effect of a down-mod, either contact an editor or assume it'll get dealt with in M2.
Anyway I think we've about done this to death, so while I will read any reply you make, I probably won't reply myself. It's been a enjoyable discussion, thanks for that.
Sice JDK 1.2 there is the strictfp declaration that can be applied on methods which needs the precicise IEEE floating point.
I don't think you understand what strictfp means. You should have another read through that tutorial you linked to. strictfp means that arithmetic must be performed with all intermediate value conforming to IEEE 754 form. Not using strictfp allows the compiler/JVM some leeway in the handling of intermediate values - specifically intermediate values can use an expanded exponent range so that expressions that would overflow due to intermediate values overflowing no longer do so. For example, consider the expression 10*x*0.1. With strictfp the intermediate value 10*x must conform to IEEE 754 format and so can cause an overflow even though the final expression will not overflow. Without strictfp the compiler/JVM can optionally use an expanded exponent range for the intermediate value to prevent that overflow.
strictfp has nothing to do with allowing alternative floating point formats to be used other than for intermediate values (and then only increased exponent ranges). The lack of strictfp will not permit implementations to use machine-native formats that do not produce identical results (including binary compatibility) to IEEE 754. It is not going to fix the floating point performance issues on x86.
Just because two queries return the same results today do not mean that they will continue to do so in the future.
You missed the parent's point here. The parent was meaning things like:
select * from tab1 where col1 in (select col1 from tab2)
versus
select * from tab1 where exists (select 1 from tab2 where tab2.col1 = tab1.col1)
versus
select tab1.* from tab1, tab2 where tab1.col1 = tab2.col1
These queries all return the same set of results in all cases, but may be excuted differently and perform differently.
That's like trying to do math without a concept of zero. Sometimes, things just don't apply and we put "N/A" on the form and "NULL" in the database.
The difference is that zero can be treated just like any other number in almost all cases. But in SQL, null cannot. It makes many queries much more complex for little gain. I've been dealing with RDBMSs and SQL for many years and I've come to the conclusion that null is evil, and in most cases we'd be better off without it.
However, once they start stomping on the rights of small developers, that's fucking low. This is the second time they've done this, and this time it's an even more blatant case of copyright infringement.
Clearly you don't understand copyright, patent, and trademark law. The only thing that could be protecting Konfabulator would be a patent on the method of implementation of the idea. Copyright can only protect authorship - in this case the code that makes up Konfabulator, the graphics, etc. It can't protect the implementation of an idea or "how it works", no matter how unique that idea is. After all, if the software world works the way you think it does why haven't we seen a deluge of lawsuits from the makers of the first program in each category (spreedsheet program, word processor, relational database, etc)?
If Apple had developed Konfabulator, and Arlo had developed dashboard 1 year later, Arlo would've been nailed by Apple's legal department.
They may have sent threatening letters but they wouldn't have a real case unless Arlo reused some Apple developed code or images, an Apple patented method, or if he stole a trade secret.
The NY Times article talks about a drug antibody to prevent myostatin from reaching muscle satalite cells.
So the extra muscle mass is due to satelite cells being developed prematurely. I guess that means that these people will suffer muscle wasting as they age, and muscle injuries will take longer to heal, if they do so at all.
Lets see, you can't find it in the FAQ obviously, but for example, a bit beyond the part that you qouted you'll find:
I wrote:
In only one place in the FAQ is funny treated to
more comprehensive explanation than other moderations:
I don't think a short reference back to the one line explanation provides much support for your assertion that "the FAQ goes to quite some length tryign to explain why funny is different".
Then, I don't consider the actual karma that a poster will get (and as you rightfully say, I can't)
Yet you said "Wether or not you feel that the post should provide karma to the poster should be part of your judgement however".
I do take into account that funny is treated differently then any other choice when moderating
Funny is hardly alone in that, underrated and overrated are also treated differently.
it means AVOIDING funny as moderation whenever possible
That's fine, of course, but not how this discussion started. It started with someone suggesting that modding a funny post insightful or interesting or whatever was the right thing to do because funny doesn't give the poster karma. My main problem with this is it means the comment reason modifiers I can set won't do what I want because some people are incorrectly categorising posts. If people want to protest "funny" not providing karma, either don't use funny as you suggest (but don't mod posts incorrectly) or take it up with the people who set the rules. Why inconvenience other users?
If I am the first one you hear complain about this then you have not been listening much or you just haven't been around long enough.
It would be more accurate for me to say that this is the first discussion of it that I've seen (since you're not the only poster whose talked about it here). As for not having been here long enough, look at my user ID. Note that I've posted twice as many comments as you have. I've been around a long time (I remember when karma was a number you could see and funny gave you karma) and I've spend a lot of time here.
If one option in the system is broken, don't use that option. No reason to not use the system at all.
If you want to talk broken options, we should be talking underrated and overrated. Funny is not broken, and your's is the first time I've heard anyone complain about funny not awarding karma (and then it came up only in the context of correcting someone else's karma penalising mod).
That FAQ tells that funny was originally intended to work the same as any other 'judgement'. That was changed at a certain point, and ever since, there are people who refuse to moderate things funny when there is any alternative, draw your conclusion.
My conclusion is that you're acting irrationally in trying to consider karma when you can't do so accurately anyway, and in making Slashdot a less ordered place (which is saying a lot really) by incorrectly categorising posts. I also conclude that some of your incorrect mods probably get flagged unfair in M2, which is as it should be. It's really very altruistic of you to be so worried about other users' karma that you'll put your own on the line.
Also, the FAQ goes to quite some length tryign to explain why funny is different then all other moderation options, so the FAQ doesn't exactly confirm that its simple.
Sorry, what? In only one place in the FAQ is funny treated to more comprehensive explanation than other moderations:
Note that being moderated Funny doesn't help your karma. You have to be smart, not just a smart-ass.
One line. That's your "great lengths". It really is simple: if it's funny mod it funny. If it's insightful mod it insightful.
Lets get something very clear here, yes, the people who runt the site own the server, own the domain, and set the rules. They do not own the content.
Who owns the content is completely irrelevant. You can't refuse to have your comments moderated, even though you own them. You can't have your comment removed, even though you own it (although I'm not sure if Slashdot's rules would protect the owners in court over this).
Besides, if people would all agree on how to moderate, there would be little point in letting multiple people moderate the same post.
Obviously people will disagree about whether a particular comment is interesting or whatever. However you're are talking about deliberately moderating incorrectly. That's a completely different story, and one which you have failed to justify to me (not that you need to, of course, but convincing the other person of your view is the seldom-achieved goal of debate, right?).
I happen to disagree with 'funny' being treated differently, and as a result will refuse to use it. Means I'll have to select another option, insightfull may not always be the proper one, but funny doesn't give the proper result imho so is never the right thing to do.
So don't moderate. The moderators job is to judge the worth of posts, not to hand out karma. If you don't want to do that job correctly, don't do it at all.
You can say its simple, but things that are a matter of opinion are really not simple at all, and definitely not as black/white as you try to make it.
Either mods have enough information to judge the post or not.
Sorry, some bad editing on my part. Mods have enough information to judge the post, they don't have enough information to judge the impact their mod has on the posters karma.
And since it does, many moderators also keep it in mind and won't mod a post funny.
Most posts modded funny are only modded funny. That's good, and how it should work. People modding funny material insightful when it is not insightful are not modding correctly. It's as simple as that.
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I tried to get an answer out of Perl using: prinft("%.70f\n",100/2.54);
Wether or not you feel that the post should provide karma to the poster should be part of your judgement however.
No. Mods are not there to individually decide whether or a poster is a good one and should be able to post with the bonus (which is the sole point of karma, and the indirect effect of awarding it). Mods are there to judge an individual post. A mod doesn't have enough information to make the judgement anyway. For example, you don't know whether your's, or others' mods will actually affect a users karma - they may be at the cap, or a mod may be metamodded unfair.
In the particular case of the funny mod, people are not supposed to get karma for merely being funny. A post is both funny and a troll, well the karma loss is something that poster should accept as the cost of posting that particular type of joke. If the troll mod is unfair metamod will sort it out and the poster's karma will be unaffected by it.
When judging something, it makes sense to consider how your judgement will work out in reality.
And yet in many competitions where a group of judges are used, they do not confer or compare their judgement to the others. With moderation you should be considering only the value of the post in the context of the story, the thread, and it's current score, not whether or not the author will get karma from your moderation.
Unless I'm mistaken, the conversion factor is defined the other way: 1 inch=2.54 cm, exactly. Python tells me that this is more like 39.370078740157481.
If you care about accuracy enough to use 15 decimal places, wouldn't you better to use the exact value?:
When something that's meant to be funny gets modded as troll, I'm inclined to moderate it insightful so the poster can reclaim the karma lost.
Your job as a mod is not to correct other peoples' moderations. That's what metamoderation is for. If a post is marked as troll when it's not that moderation will probably be flagged as unfair, and the poster will get their karma back (not that I understand why you're so hung up on this point of karma). Metamods are just as likely to mark your insightful mod as unfair if the post was not insightful, only funny. I would. If you absolutely must counter the troll mod use underrated.
The PowerPC G5 is the product of a long-standing partnership between Apple and IBM, two companies committed to innovation and customer-driven solutions. In 1991, they co-created a PowerPC architecture that could support both 32-bit and 64-bit instructions.
A bit revisionist, don't you think? Motorola was an equal partner in the PowerPC alliance, and infact all Apple PPC machines used Motorola CPUs until quite recently.
It also had a near-ready piloted moon program (look up N-1), that was (unfortunately) scrapped when Americans beat them to the moon as politically non-necessary and embarassing.
The N1 program was nowhere near ready. They tried to launch the N1 booster 4 times, all 4 launches failed.
Speaking of next week... I think Space Ship One has good odds of success in the single-person-to-100km flight. I only see two real issues they may hit: The extended burn above the atmosphere may run into some control issues as the nozzle ablates, which will be hard to correct with only cold gas attitude jets. This would be a fairly benign failure, with the pilot just shutting off the main engine if he can't hold the trajectory. The dangerous part of the test will be the reentry with a significantly bigger drop than the previous test. At this point, I hope Burt has everything work out and he is able to make the X-Prize flights soon, because our prospects are pretty dim for getting everything working perfectly in the big vehicle in five months and having permission to fly it. I certainly don't want the insurance company to keep the prize money. If Space Ship One crashes, we will probably throw ourselves at an attempt, but it will be a long shot. No, I don't think any of the other teams are close.
Best of luck to Mike and the Scaled Composite team.
Rollercoasters regularly hit 6G's or more without people suffering blackouts. Prolonged 6G force could cause a blackout but people can handle transient G forces much higher. John Stapp (biography exposed himself to as much as 45G without permanent injury (though the 45G experiment did cause him to black out).
Can you name one single country in the world, not counting I guess China, where the content of cable television is regulated?
It certainly is where I have lived, in New Zealand and Australia. It is not possible in either country for cable providers to air whatever they like, e.g. banned films. In NZ they are also subject to the Broadcasting Standards Authority, a government body whose function in terms of pay TV (satelite and cable) is to require standards which are consistent with:
a) The observance of good taste and decency;
b) The maintenance of law and order;
c) The privacy of the individual;
d) The principle that when controversial issues of public importance are discussed, reasonable efforts are made, or reasonable opportunities are given, to present significant points of view either in the same programme or in other programmes within the period of current interest.
In addition pay TV broadcasters are subject to the Advertising Standards Authority.
I very much doubt NZ is unique in its regulation of pay TV.
Will highly optimized C/C++ toast all other languages? Yes, but writting the code is significantly more difficult and time consuming. For many tasks computers are fast enough now where it doesn't matter for many tasks..
Right, and what all this benchmarking is showing is that the difference between C++ and Java is about 10% overall (though up to 1000% is specific cases). So anyone using the blanket statement "I won't use Java because C++ is much faster" is really only displaying their ignorance.
Not necessarily, sometimes the OS is better able to run a RAID setup efficiently than a dedicated controller. Think RAID 1 with multple read requests.
1) You don't need drives that are the same size.
I've done hardware RAID, had a drive fail 2 years down the road and not been able to find an 18GB SCSI drive to re-insert to the array. That has the potential to jack your entire array. With software RAID, you buy a 36G drive, partition it so that 1 partition fits your array, and off you go
You must of had a crap RAID controller. Generally the drives do not have to be the same size (even 18GB drives from different manufacturers will probably not be exactly the same size). As long as the new drive is larger than it needs to be you'll be fine. You lose the extra capacity with a hardware RAID setup (while you can use it with software RAID), but that's generally not a big factor for people. Incidentally, I don't know where you were looking because 18GB SCSI drives are still easy to find, for exactly this reason.
Raid 0+1 does mirrored stripe sets -- you get the speed advantages of raid 0 with the full protection of raid 1.
RAID 10 is a better choice than RAID 0+1.
With RAID 0+1 if you lose a disk (assuming the common 2x2 setup) you are down to using a RAID 0 array. Lose a second disk and you're dead. When you put in a replacement disk you generally have to remirror the entire remaining RAID 0 array (some controllers may be smart enough to just rebuild the new drive, but certainly not all).
With RAID 10 (striped mirrors) you can lose a disk from each mirror (so generally 2) without losing the array. Pop in a new disk and just rebuild that mirror. If you are unlucky and lose both disks from a particular mirror you're screwed, but there's not much you can do against that sort of luck.
Example: two SATA drives
RAID-0: Write Speed: 2x, Read Speed: 2x
RAID-1: Write Speed: 1x, Read Speed: 2x
You are unlikely to get double read performance from a RAID 1 setup. It's theoretically possible, but in practice it doesn't happen (take a look at the recently posted review at Tech Report). It's actually easier to get good performance with RAID 1 using software RAID as the OS is in a much better position to schedule reads efficiently than a RAID controller.
For those of you haven't bothered to listen to Dave's audio blog, he explains exactly the criticisms leveled here.
I've listened to it. It didn't explain my criticisms. Maybe you can:
He saw Userland wanted to dump the blogs and tried to move it to his own private server. This worked poorly.
So Winer knew what hardware weblogs.com ran on, found some other (presumably lesser) hardware to move them to and was then suprised when it didn't work? Why couldn't he determine what hardware would be required in advance? Why did he decide to leave the hardest sites until last? Does that not sound like a bass-ackwards way of doing it? I thought this guy was supposed to be an IT professional.
The management change that resulted in the free blogs being dropped happened 6 months ago. Why has Winer waited until the old service is not available to tell people their data is unavailable? The "heads-up" he talks about should have happened months ago, before the migration to this unsuitable server. His claim that people would just have found some other problem to complain about is a straw-man, and to me highlights Winer's arrogance.
You might say he should have fixed the server, and his response is already in the blog -- it would have taken a big time investment, and he's not healthy enough to do it.
Fine, find or pay someone else to do it. It's not like the guy is poor. Solicit donations if necessary. I'm sure the 3000 users he just screwed over would have been willing to chip in. For that matter I'm sure one of those people would have been able to do the work necessary to get everything running.
Why do users have to request to have their blog exported? Surely he's not exporting them one at a time manually, so how can it be more work to export them all than to sort through a list and export only the ones that asked nicely? Why not just zip them all up and email them to their owners? Or set up an FTP site just for the owners. That couldn't cost much.
And what are the legal ramifications? AFAIK, the content of those blogs is still owned by the authors, if he's holding it so that it is inaccessible to them that amounts to theft, doesn't it?
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Anyway I think we've about done this to death, so while I will read any reply you make, I probably won't reply myself. It's been a enjoyable discussion, thanks for that.
strictfp has nothing to do with allowing alternative floating point formats to be used other than for intermediate values (and then only increased exponent ranges). The lack of strictfp will not permit implementations to use machine-native formats that do not produce identical results (including binary compatibility) to IEEE 754. It is not going to fix the floating point performance issues on x86.
In the particular case of the funny mod, people are not supposed to get karma for merely being funny. A post is both funny and a troll, well the karma loss is something that poster should accept as the cost of posting that particular type of joke. If the troll mod is unfair metamod will sort it out and the poster's karma will be unaffected by it.
1 meter = 10000/254 inches.
Rollercoasters regularly hit 6G's or more without people suffering blackouts. Prolonged 6G force could cause a blackout but people can handle transient G forces much higher. John Stapp (biography exposed himself to as much as 45G without permanent injury (though the 45G experiment did cause him to black out).
a) The observance of good taste and decency;
b) The maintenance of law and order;
c) The privacy of the individual;
d) The principle that when controversial issues of public importance are discussed, reasonable efforts are made, or reasonable opportunities are given, to present significant points of view either in the same programme or in other programmes within the period of current interest.
In addition pay TV broadcasters are subject to the Advertising Standards Authority.
I very much doubt NZ is unique in its regulation of pay TV.
With RAID 0+1 if you lose a disk (assuming the common 2x2 setup) you are down to using a RAID 0 array. Lose a second disk and you're dead. When you put in a replacement disk you generally have to remirror the entire remaining RAID 0 array (some controllers may be smart enough to just rebuild the new drive, but certainly not all).
With RAID 10 (striped mirrors) you can lose a disk from each mirror (so generally 2) without losing the array. Pop in a new disk and just rebuild that mirror. If you are unlucky and lose both disks from a particular mirror you're screwed, but there's not much you can do against that sort of luck.
The management change that resulted in the free blogs being dropped happened 6 months ago. Why has Winer waited until the old service is not available to tell people their data is unavailable? The "heads-up" he talks about should have happened months ago, before the migration to this unsuitable server. His claim that people would just have found some other problem to complain about is a straw-man, and to me highlights Winer's arrogance.
Fine, find or pay someone else to do it. It's not like the guy is poor. Solicit donations if necessary. I'm sure the 3000 users he just screwed over would have been willing to chip in. For that matter I'm sure one of those people would have been able to do the work necessary to get everything running.Why do users have to request to have their blog exported? Surely he's not exporting them one at a time manually, so how can it be more work to export them all than to sort through a list and export only the ones that asked nicely? Why not just zip them all up and email them to their owners? Or set up an FTP site just for the owners. That couldn't cost much.
And what are the legal ramifications? AFAIK, the content of those blogs is still owned by the authors, if he's holding it so that it is inaccessible to them that amounts to theft, doesn't it?
If you're only searching on one word just add "a " to the front - if there's more than one word FireFox doesn't try to resolve it as a URL.