I've been saying this for a couple of years. It's close enough that a lot of the people would move - who do you think they have greater loyalty to, the US of A or the guy who made them rich on options?
Actually I thought for awhile they might move to China, since they both have similar management attitudes... what's better for a monopolist than a Communist country? "All computers WILL run Windows 2000... any non-conforming machine will be formatted immediately..."
But then the Chinese got the Linux religion, realizing they could do the same thing but not have to share control with Bill. Much better. I expect RMS and Linus to be given a medal by the Chinese and Indians at least, given that Linux (or even GNU/Linux:-)) gives them the means to take control of their machines and also produce more native-language stuff. And code written in ASCII-ized Hindi or Chinese will be damn near impossible for US security types to figure out.
No, just the usual complete inattention to the language they're writing in. And if you mention it you're off-topic, and if they make 2 obvious mistakes in the same sentence then they say oh we do it on purpose, we're too cool to be bothered with spelling. I hope these guys don't actually try to write code. You just can't spell "malloc" as "mailocc" and get away with it.
Well, we really do have a thing about free speech, and that doesn't just mean love letters.
And I do appreciate that you acknowledged that Americans did help a wee bit. You should know that we don't forget much about WWII either, especially given that this weekend is Memorial Day which is when we remember our veterans. But in the larger picture, if France can stop an American Yahoo! (and apparently the articles weren't advertised on the French Yahoo!) then Iraq (with whom France seems to like doing business) should be able to shut down all the fashion runways of Paris! They certainly don't let good Islamic women wear that stuff, right?
Hell, if you really want to be offended watch Hogan's Heroes, a comedy about a WWII POW camp. It's been running for 30 yrs here.
> The truth seems to be that very little of your CD money will make it into Eminem's hands. Dr Dre probably has a slightly better deal, but still the majority of the money you spend never gets into Dre's hands either. If you want to support the artists, go to their concerts and buy their t-shirts.
So if the artists don't receive that much per album wouldn't it be even more important for them to sell as many as possible? At what point does that kick in - it's OK to pirate their music if they only make 12 cents per CD, and not if they make $1 per CD?
Funny, he seems to explicitly state his opposition to attacking Stallman personally here:
Bob Metcalfe, in a recent InfoWorld column, did not hesitate to write that "Richard Stallman is a communist". I do not actually think such comments are particularly useful; the best way to counter the sometimes outrageous attacks of the most extreme "freedom" advocates may be to keep a cool- headed, rational attitude, and not try to match their antics. (Dr. Stallman himself said, in response to a Byte interviewer, that he is neither a socialist nor a communist.)
I had occaision to visit their headquarters in Clerwater around '85 because my girlfriend was working with (and for) a Scientologist, and all I can say is: Be afraid, be very afraid.....
I just read some ads for this new Casio with an IBM hard-drive in it, sounded pretty good. 3.3M pixels gives a 2048x1536 (or close) picture resolution, and they said it had an IBM micro-drive that would hold 236 pics (maybe not at high-res). USB, etc. And it looks like a real camera too. Digital cameras have a ways to go before they can really beat std cameras on quality, but this is one I'm tempted to get.
Well I hope it doesn't come to that, but good luck defending yourself. I don't think they're going to have much of a problem. It's a little late in the game to get their patent overturned.
This is such a non-issue it's ridiculous. What percentage of people bitching here have actually written any software that would require them to pay? Anyone just using Photoshop or something equivalent to do their website GIFs is covered. No fee. No problem. No need to avoid them, ESPECIALLY because the bloody patent will expire in a couple of years anyway!
Well, he's not alone in being affected financially by the market. There's a story in the Washington Post about it's effect on (pre) IPO'd tech workers.
Since I religiously spend all my money on equipment and booze I have no such worries....:-)
I can dig all that, but the only sticking point to me is they need to figure the number of people who are downloading music that would actually BUY it if it wasn't available online. THAT's the number of real sales they're losing, and I'm sure it's a smaller number than they think. It's like pirating 3D Studio - if the program costs $3k and a student pirates it, is AutoDesk really losing money? Well no - it just wouldn't be bought.
I think a lot of people will grab stuff to check out because it's free, but wouldn't actually get to the point of buying a CD in the store. For those people Metallica isn't losing anything.
And personally I never much liked 'em, so I wouldn't take their stuff free or not.
Yeah, but as they say in Texas, some people just need killin'. Personally I don't own a gun OR have a family, but I'd rather shoot you than see you run off with my server. Besides, you're missing the guys point entirely.
Sorry, but he's completely correct in avoiding any URL with obvious sexual content when surfing from work. You must be aware that many companies monitor net access and might flag that as inappropriate. You want him to get called into the boss' office for an explanation and have a note in his employee file about accessing sex sites? I don't even read Salon at work!
He's indicating an interest in helping, and then you jump down his throat for making a legitimate point. Maybe it's you who need to chill and get a clue.
So the artists and music companies haven't invested any time and money in their product? Heck, at least a copy-cat website has to do the work of setting it up; allowing people to download music doesn't involve the cost of setting up a recording studio. I don't see how you can say one is OK and the other isn't.
Make money on the service, the documentation, the support.
The better the program is, the less support and doc it needs. He was talking about making money on open-source s/w. That WAS the topic, and the only thing I've ever heard here to answer that question is "sell support, docs, and t-shirts".
Sorry, wrong answer friend.
If your program is good enough to not need any support or docs then you make nothing. (And why should docs not go with the program? It costs nothing to drop HTML or text files into the distribution, same as the s/w itself! You write docs for the love of it just like programs, right? That IS the basis for this line of thought!)
So anyone wanting to make money by this formula on open-source had better sell a ton of t-shirts. That implies that you make the program difficult to use instead of easy so you can sell the support. This is pretty simple logic, and pretty basic human nature.
I write programs for money. I have no personal use for a system to report adverse drug reactions to the FDA.
This smarmy "remember it's not about money, it's about software" is a joke. Get a job, get a life, and stop telling other people what to do.
Well I've been making a living at it for 20 years and intend to do so for another 20 if I don't cash out earlier. If you think big companies are all going to get rid of their programmers because some idiot has posted some source code somewhere you have an exceedingly thin grasp on reality.
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I've been saying this for a couple of years. It's close enough that a lot of the people would move - who do you think they have greater loyalty to, the US of A or the guy who made them rich on options?
:-)) gives them the means to take control of their machines and also produce more native-language stuff. And code written in ASCII-ized Hindi or Chinese will be damn near impossible for US security types to figure out.
Actually I thought for awhile they might move to China, since they both have similar management attitudes... what's better for a monopolist than a Communist country? "All computers WILL run Windows 2000... any non-conforming machine will be formatted immediately..."
But then the Chinese got the Linux religion, realizing they could do the same thing but not have to share control with Bill. Much better. I expect RMS and Linus to be given a medal by the Chinese and Indians at least, given that Linux (or even GNU/Linux
No, just the usual complete inattention to the language they're writing in. And if you mention it you're off-topic, and if they make 2 obvious mistakes in the same sentence then they say oh we do it on purpose, we're too cool to be bothered with spelling. I hope these guys don't actually try to write code. You just can't spell "malloc" as "mailocc" and get away with it.
I dunno about all that :-) but it does put lie to the phrase "when it comes to real estate, they're not making any more of it."
Hey somebody tell Mr. Bronfman the ideas behind the wheel and house have been copyrighted and he's not allowed to have either....
It makes perfect sense that he's working with Real, one of the worst with respect to your privacy.
Arrrrgh...
Well, we really do have a thing about free speech, and that doesn't just mean love letters.
And I do appreciate that you acknowledged that Americans did help a wee bit. You should know that we don't forget much about WWII either, especially given that this weekend is Memorial Day which is when we remember our veterans. But in the larger picture, if France can stop an American Yahoo! (and apparently the articles weren't advertised on the French Yahoo!) then Iraq (with whom France seems to like doing business) should be able to shut down all the fashion runways of Paris! They certainly don't let good Islamic women wear that stuff, right?
Hell, if you really want to be offended watch Hogan's Heroes, a comedy about a WWII POW camp. It's been running for 30 yrs here.
Yeah, I just read it for the articles...
> The truth seems to be that very little of your CD money will make it into Eminem's hands. Dr Dre probably has a slightly better deal, but still the majority of the money you spend never gets into Dre's hands either. If you want to support the artists, go to their concerts and buy their t-shirts.
So if the artists don't receive that much per album wouldn't it be even more important for them to sell as many as possible? At what point does that kick in - it's OK to pirate their music if they only make 12 cents per CD, and not if they make $1 per CD?
Duh... whoops! mea culpa :-)
Funny, he seems to explicitly state his opposition to attacking Stallman personally here:
Bob Metcalfe, in a recent InfoWorld column, did not hesitate to write that "Richard Stallman is a communist". I do not actually think such comments are particularly useful; the best way to counter the sometimes outrageous attacks of the most extreme "freedom" advocates may be to keep a cool- headed, rational attitude, and not try to match their antics. (Dr. Stallman himself said, in response to a Byte interviewer, that he is neither a socialist nor a communist.)
I had occaision to visit their headquarters in Clerwater around '85 because my girlfriend was working with (and for) a Scientologist, and all I can say is: Be afraid, be very afraid.....
Thanks for the lowdown!
I just read some ads for this new Casio with an IBM hard-drive in it, sounded pretty good. 3.3M pixels gives a 2048x1536 (or close) picture resolution, and they said it had an IBM micro-drive that would hold 236 pics (maybe not at high-res). USB, etc. And it looks like a real camera too. Digital cameras have a ways to go before they can really beat std cameras on quality, but this is one I'm tempted to get.
Well I hope it doesn't come to that, but good luck defending yourself. I don't think they're going to have much of a problem. It's a little late in the game to get their patent overturned.
Cheers...
This is such a non-issue it's ridiculous. What percentage of people bitching here have actually written any software that would require them to pay? Anyone just using Photoshop or something equivalent to do their website GIFs is covered. No fee. No problem. No need to avoid them, ESPECIALLY because the bloody patent will expire in a couple of years anyway!
'nuff said.
Well, he's not alone in being affected financially by the market. There's a story in the Washington Post about it's effect on (pre) IPO'd tech workers.
Since I religiously spend all my money on equipment and booze I have no such worries....:-)
I can dig all that, but the only sticking point to me is they need to figure the number of people who are downloading music that would actually BUY it if it wasn't available online. THAT's the number of real sales they're losing, and I'm sure it's a smaller number than they think. It's like pirating 3D Studio - if the program costs $3k and a student pirates it, is AutoDesk really losing money? Well no - it just wouldn't be bought.
I think a lot of people will grab stuff to check out because it's free, but wouldn't actually get to the point of buying a CD in the store. For those people Metallica isn't losing anything.
And personally I never much liked 'em, so I wouldn't take their stuff free or not.
"Hey George, I gave Steve Jobs $150M to kill that patent suit, you sure you only need $75M?"
'nuff said.
Like they say on MSTK3000:
"If you're wondering how they eat and breathe, and all those science facts... repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax."
Yeah, I think that's what he was saying.
Yeah, but as they say in Texas, some people just need killin'. Personally I don't own a gun OR have a family, but I'd rather shoot you than see you run off with my server. Besides, you're missing the guys point entirely.
Sorry, but he's completely correct in avoiding any URL with obvious sexual content when surfing from work. You must be aware that many companies monitor net access and might flag that as inappropriate. You want him to get called into the boss' office for an explanation and have a note in his employee file about accessing sex sites? I don't even read Salon at work!
He's indicating an interest in helping, and then you jump down his throat for making a legitimate point. Maybe it's you who need to chill and get a clue.
So the artists and music companies haven't invested any time and money in their product? Heck, at least a copy-cat website has to do the work of setting it up; allowing people to download music doesn't involve the cost of setting up a recording studio. I don't see how you can say one is OK and the other isn't.
What he said was:
Make money on the service, the documentation, the support.
The better the program is, the less support and doc it needs. He was talking about making money on open-source s/w. That WAS the topic, and the only thing I've ever heard here to answer that question is "sell support, docs, and t-shirts".
Sorry, wrong answer friend.
If your program is good enough to not need any support or docs then you make nothing. (And why should docs not go with the program? It costs nothing to drop HTML or text files into the distribution, same as the s/w itself! You write docs for the love of it just like programs, right? That IS the basis for this line of thought!)
So anyone wanting to make money by this formula on open-source had better sell a ton of t-shirts. That implies that you make the program difficult to use instead of easy so you can sell the support. This is pretty simple logic, and pretty basic human nature.
I write programs for money. I have no personal use for a system to report adverse drug reactions to the FDA.
This smarmy "remember it's not about money, it's about software" is a joke. Get a job, get a life, and stop telling other people what to do.
Well I've been making a living at it for 20 years and intend to do so for another 20 if I don't cash out earlier. If you think big companies are all going to get rid of their programmers because some idiot has posted some source code somewhere you have an exceedingly thin grasp on reality.