I like your modesty, you are out of touch. The users are fully satisfied once they start using it, the problem is the wireless providers are peddling what they think is the best and not what is the reality. So it is popular phone in its user community, why should it be popular with iPhone or Android folks?
exactly, and the key features will be available in Windows Phone 7.8 update and what is missing requires hardware upgrade so it makes sense.
Not sure why such hue and cry
Considering the late start, the Windows Phone team has done a great job on this OS. The UI is best, and all features slick and well implemented.
Its just matter of time to get the market share it deserves.
I know slasdotters will find it difficult to accept, but the product is good and it will be in the top 3 contenders from here on.
you are sure hating it, otherwise you do know that keyboard is a hot selling accessesory for Ipad which is the current market owner. It is a tablet with same form factor as iPad, but with a keyboard, USB, flash support and a better touch interface. So not sure which part you dont understand.
Difficult to say it, but this is the first tablet worthy of competing with iPad. The strategy is brilliant, instead of depending on OEM to come up with the right hardware for the OS they now have set a standard that others will need to beat.
This will sell very well, the Pro version with its Win7 compatibility will grab some of the 700 million Windows 7 users and the momentum will help the ARM version.
So all key things in place, they just need to release it as early as possible and the right price point.
Cmmon folks, its just speculation by different sites. Why argue on something that has no basis?
If Microsoft thinks it will help their business they will otherwise not, chill out
now that is a sensible feedback, it works for some pretty well. I have not heard any actual users complaining, but too much noise from non-users and Android and iPhone folks
all those static icons, in grid-lock drives me nuts too!
The tiles are live, and single glance tells me whats happening in my world. No need to jump in and out of apps to find that out.
Thats the first sensible comment to read, I have very similar experience. The product is great and it will catchup given some time and support from carriers.
None of Windows phone users are going to go back to iOS or Android after spending some time with it, iOS looks outdated and Android looks unfinished
Why develop key product for competing platform? Its business sense.
OSX was hardly 3% few years back so not a big market for VS on it anyways.
By the same lines, why not have OSX development tools on Windows? Why do I need to buy expensive Apple hardware to develop for iOS?
I am not sure if that is true, even with 2% market share their Applications actually increased faster than Android. So developers are interested or motivated to develop for Windows phone. Its all relative, even iOS and Android were at 100,000 at some point of time.. no one jumped to 500,000 in few months. cheez.. common sense guys
So can you develop iOS without OSX? Why would any business want to lose advantage of its biggest selling product.
Get real, 90% users are on Windows.. even if it is supposed to be bad and expensive or forced
many will say the same with Desktop Linux for that matter, burned once never to touch it again. So it is alright to have specific opinion and preferences.
but it is a fact that Windows Phone is nothing like Windows Mobile, it is way better
I have a different opinion -
1) UI is its best feature, and it is way better than Android or iOS. Fundamentally it is activity oriented instead of application oriented, so things are simply quicker and easier to do. The subtle animations and beautiful fonts are different and good, and content focussed.
2) No issues with marketplace, its been growing at a good pace even if the market share at few points (that is an achievement, why developers are supporting it puzzles me)
3) Battery life is way better than Android, period ! It has tighter management of background processes, Samsung Focus S outperforms Samsung Galaxy II with same responsiveness
4) Enough key applications, did not find any issues and the quality is good.
5) Bing has improved a lot, as good as Google
Microsoft is driving all development towards WinRT, where they can control application quality, security and maintain top user experience. The traditional application development was abused quite a bit. The legacy compatibility will help run all current applications, but eventually the newer versions of those will mostly move to WinRT. So decision is logical, only serious developers will invest into paid tools (which is absolutely worth the quality and productivity)
I am surprised about these comments, never used it and they still find it ugly compared to static grid of icons.
Try it, actually it is a better UI both in form and function and need to give some credit to the folks.
WOA is a tablet OS, and falls in line with remote managebility like Windows Phone, iOS or Android via their new updated Intune management software.
Its all about driving the whole ecosystem forward, and leverage platforms. Its absolutely not a timing issue, if they have it on x86 it is not a big jump to recompile it on WOA. But understand, they now have an option to build a tighter platform WOA with no legacy baggage and it seems they have a well thought approach. Everything seems to be logical now, Microsoft always works better when cornered.
Metro is the reason, very unique and well throught UI. The satisfaction rate of folks who actually use it is better than iOS or Android.
I am using it for over a year now, and see no reason to even think of moving to iOS or Android.. perfect smartphone experience
Surprised to see pro Windows comment on Slasdot, so there are rational evaluaters on this forum as well.
My experience with Windows Phone has been great, started with Samsung Focus and now Focus S. The OS and UI are nice, fluid and top performing and have not seen any application limitations.. plenty to choose from. It will be difficult to move to other phone, once you get used to Metro
No problems with multi tasking, its nicely and efficiently managed. Applications can run background tasks, which are limited in number to conserve battery.
Everything just works fine, no complaints
So if majority folks at Slashdot use Linux, why worry for how and why Microsoft designed Win 8 the way it is? For Slashdoters anything that Microsoft does is wrong anyways.
On the second hand, from Microsoft perspective it all makes very much sense. The UI will help it get consumer share, especially on Tablet while backward compatibility to Win7 applications will help people upgrade x86 without at hitch. Metro essentially is just a new replacement for start menu for tranditional desktop folks and everyone will get used to it after few hours of use.
The default Metro will help developers write applications in WinFX, which Microsoft anyways want to steer folks in the longer run.
In terms of the UI, Metro is way better than static grid lock of current touch UI's in place. So looking from other viewpoint, it seems to be the best strategy for Microsoft.
Exactly! The interface is better than static icon grids, more alive and dynamic. It is perfect for tablet, but not bad for desktop once you get used to it. Finally nothing to lose, good ol fashion desktop is just a click away!. I installed it, and the integration between Xbox, Phone, Skydrive and live services is freakin good.
They have a winner here, the haters cannot affect it much
it is actually the best decision for the platform, more you control hardware and software distribution the better for end-users.
The hobbyist need to play with Linux, not sure why they are interested in discussing Windows in the first place
WOA is a tablet OS, so no need to have full IDE environment running on it. Its like expecting iOS or Android run full fledged IDE.
For that, you need x86 Windows 8. Once they gain maturity and more powerful hardware evolve they can even merge it into one platform.
In terms of use, it will gain big traction in corporates. They need office compatibility, enterprise manageability and they are good to go. The corporate culture is way different mindset. At least in my organization I have seen hightened interest with few folks playing with developer release
The momentum will keep it selling, and the applications will catch up. Even with poor Windows Phone sales, the applications have grown pretty quickly. Windows always had bigger developer community and the huge desktop share will trickle into WOA as well. So predicting failure is too early
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I like your modesty, you are out of touch. The users are fully satisfied once they start using it, the problem is the wireless providers are peddling what they think is the best and not what is the reality. So it is popular phone in its user community, why should it be popular with iPhone or Android folks?
exactly, and the key features will be available in Windows Phone 7.8 update and what is missing requires hardware upgrade so it makes sense. Not sure why such hue and cry
Considering the late start, the Windows Phone team has done a great job on this OS. The UI is best, and all features slick and well implemented. Its just matter of time to get the market share it deserves. I know slasdotters will find it difficult to accept, but the product is good and it will be in the top 3 contenders from here on.
you are sure hating it, otherwise you do know that keyboard is a hot selling accessesory for Ipad which is the current market owner. It is a tablet with same form factor as iPad, but with a keyboard, USB, flash support and a better touch interface. So not sure which part you dont understand.
Difficult to say it, but this is the first tablet worthy of competing with iPad. The strategy is brilliant, instead of depending on OEM to come up with the right hardware for the OS they now have set a standard that others will need to beat. This will sell very well, the Pro version with its Win7 compatibility will grab some of the 700 million Windows 7 users and the momentum will help the ARM version. So all key things in place, they just need to release it as early as possible and the right price point.
Cmmon folks, its just speculation by different sites. Why argue on something that has no basis? If Microsoft thinks it will help their business they will otherwise not, chill out
now that is a sensible feedback, it works for some pretty well. I have not heard any actual users complaining, but too much noise from non-users and Android and iPhone folks
all those static icons, in grid-lock drives me nuts too! The tiles are live, and single glance tells me whats happening in my world. No need to jump in and out of apps to find that out.
Thats the first sensible comment to read, I have very similar experience. The product is great and it will catchup given some time and support from carriers. None of Windows phone users are going to go back to iOS or Android after spending some time with it, iOS looks outdated and Android looks unfinished
Why develop key product for competing platform? Its business sense. OSX was hardly 3% few years back so not a big market for VS on it anyways. By the same lines, why not have OSX development tools on Windows? Why do I need to buy expensive Apple hardware to develop for iOS?
I am not sure if that is true, even with 2% market share their Applications actually increased faster than Android. So developers are interested or motivated to develop for Windows phone. Its all relative, even iOS and Android were at 100,000 at some point of time .. no one jumped to 500,000 in few months. cheez.. common sense guys
So can you develop iOS without OSX? Why would any business want to lose advantage of its biggest selling product. Get real, 90% users are on Windows.. even if it is supposed to be bad and expensive or forced
many will say the same with Desktop Linux for that matter, burned once never to touch it again. So it is alright to have specific opinion and preferences. but it is a fact that Windows Phone is nothing like Windows Mobile, it is way better
I have a different opinion - 1) UI is its best feature, and it is way better than Android or iOS. Fundamentally it is activity oriented instead of application oriented, so things are simply quicker and easier to do. The subtle animations and beautiful fonts are different and good, and content focussed. 2) No issues with marketplace, its been growing at a good pace even if the market share at few points (that is an achievement, why developers are supporting it puzzles me) 3) Battery life is way better than Android, period ! It has tighter management of background processes, Samsung Focus S outperforms Samsung Galaxy II with same responsiveness 4) Enough key applications, did not find any issues and the quality is good. 5) Bing has improved a lot, as good as Google
Microsoft is driving all development towards WinRT, where they can control application quality, security and maintain top user experience. The traditional application development was abused quite a bit. The legacy compatibility will help run all current applications, but eventually the newer versions of those will mostly move to WinRT. So decision is logical, only serious developers will invest into paid tools (which is absolutely worth the quality and productivity)
I am surprised about these comments, never used it and they still find it ugly compared to static grid of icons. Try it, actually it is a better UI both in form and function and need to give some credit to the folks.
WOA is a tablet OS, and falls in line with remote managebility like Windows Phone, iOS or Android via their new updated Intune management software. Its all about driving the whole ecosystem forward, and leverage platforms. Its absolutely not a timing issue, if they have it on x86 it is not a big jump to recompile it on WOA. But understand, they now have an option to build a tighter platform WOA with no legacy baggage and it seems they have a well thought approach. Everything seems to be logical now, Microsoft always works better when cornered.
Metro is the reason, very unique and well throught UI. The satisfaction rate of folks who actually use it is better than iOS or Android. I am using it for over a year now, and see no reason to even think of moving to iOS or Android.. perfect smartphone experience
Surprised to see pro Windows comment on Slasdot, so there are rational evaluaters on this forum as well. My experience with Windows Phone has been great, started with Samsung Focus and now Focus S. The OS and UI are nice, fluid and top performing and have not seen any application limitations .. plenty to choose from. It will be difficult to move to other phone, once you get used to Metro
No problems with multi tasking, its nicely and efficiently managed. Applications can run background tasks, which are limited in number to conserve battery. Everything just works fine, no complaints
So if majority folks at Slashdot use Linux, why worry for how and why Microsoft designed Win 8 the way it is? For Slashdoters anything that Microsoft does is wrong anyways. On the second hand, from Microsoft perspective it all makes very much sense. The UI will help it get consumer share, especially on Tablet while backward compatibility to Win7 applications will help people upgrade x86 without at hitch. Metro essentially is just a new replacement for start menu for tranditional desktop folks and everyone will get used to it after few hours of use. The default Metro will help developers write applications in WinFX, which Microsoft anyways want to steer folks in the longer run. In terms of the UI, Metro is way better than static grid lock of current touch UI's in place. So looking from other viewpoint, it seems to be the best strategy for Microsoft.
Exactly! The interface is better than static icon grids, more alive and dynamic. It is perfect for tablet, but not bad for desktop once you get used to it. Finally nothing to lose, good ol fashion desktop is just a click away!. I installed it, and the integration between Xbox, Phone, Skydrive and live services is freakin good. They have a winner here, the haters cannot affect it much
it is actually the best decision for the platform, more you control hardware and software distribution the better for end-users. The hobbyist need to play with Linux, not sure why they are interested in discussing Windows in the first place
WOA is a tablet OS, so no need to have full IDE environment running on it. Its like expecting iOS or Android run full fledged IDE. For that, you need x86 Windows 8. Once they gain maturity and more powerful hardware evolve they can even merge it into one platform. In terms of use, it will gain big traction in corporates. They need office compatibility, enterprise manageability and they are good to go. The corporate culture is way different mindset. At least in my organization I have seen hightened interest with few folks playing with developer release
The momentum will keep it selling, and the applications will catch up. Even with poor Windows Phone sales, the applications have grown pretty quickly. Windows always had bigger developer community and the huge desktop share will trickle into WOA as well. So predicting failure is too early