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Wozniak Praises 'Beautiful' Windows Phone
judgecorp writes "Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has praised the user interface of Microsoft's Windows Phone, saying that aspects of its user interface are more 'beautiful' than comparable sides to the iPhone. The comments, in a New Domain, follow on from a comment by Forrester boss George Colony who blogged that Apple would decline in the post-Jobs era. Both pieces have kicked off the kind of online argument you would expect."
I played with a Lumia 900. It's well thought out but execution is lacking. The thing wouldn't get on the in store AT&T wifi. So I go to toggle it off and see what LTE is all about and the soft toggle for wifi on/off gets stuck in the middle. Err. What? It's a UI element! Really?
Windows phone 7 is full of interesting and good ideas with poor execution and little polish.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Yeah, and they've been paying clueless morons to rave about their shit on the internet too. Combined with subpar features and absolutely no interest from the public market, WP7 will make a fucking killing in Slashdot comment threads but nowhere else!
...because if it was a Microsoft phone this would look bad.
If Virgin Mobile picks up a decent WP7 phone I may be interested, actually.
"Microosft's"
Proofread much?
OK, the hyper-coordination between articles praising the WinPhone and gushing first posts is getting annoying.... How about a 15 minute rule between article and first post? Or maybe restrict first post to accounts that have been around for more than 15 minutes?
"Both pieces have kicked off the kind of online argument you would expect"... I expect the kind that has all the /. trolls and shills locked in I-wish-it-was-mortal combat for the next, say 12 hours.
Too bad they both suck, Maemo 4evah!!
/me's work here is done...
Probably some Anti-Apple shill.
So what if Woz praised something a competitor produced? He's entitled to his own opinion, negative or positive, and it says nothing about the state of Apple. Is Apple going to decline without Jobs? Who know, but Woz having an opinion is hardly a sign one way or the other. The only thing it does is dispell any notion that he's an arrogant prat who couldn't possible even deign to glance at a competitor's product without vomiting.
Maybe this sort of thing gets to me too much, but I'm really fed up of this "you must be 100% for whichever brand-tribe you join!" guff. If he liked bits of another product then so what, that's competition for you.
I really like my WP7. It's simple and straight-to-the point in how it gets the job done. The MS Office integration between desktop 2010 and WP7 using live is excellent and I don't think it would be easy to live without now that it's something in my phone! My biggest complaint is that lack of "ease" of integration with Windows 7. The Zune software is really crappy. Additionally not being able to link with bluetooth is silly, really the phone should be able to do everything over BT but instead it's a pointless addition to any WP7 handset. Otherwise I have been really impressed by the WP7. I bought it not knowing what I'd get and have been more than pleasantly surprised.
However, that is about to change now that Nokia will be putting out quality WP7 smart phones.
'Nokia' and 'quality' should not be put in the same sentence.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Bah.
Yet another obvious Microsoft shill.
As to the story: There's a reason, Woz has been an engineer and not a designer at Apple.
Dude! You're totally right! Once I get this and Windows 8 I'll be like completely stoked!! And oh yeah, send me that sweet Bill Gates wallpaper, bro!
Its not surprising that Wozniak stuck to tech rather than going into management. He gives his honest opinion, saying what he believes to be true. There is no place for this sort of thing in the boardroom.
Have fun with your windows phone and its 3 Apps.
I think your post misses one huge flaw with WP7
The developer API, it's too restrictive. No good way to get your apps to share data between each other. Only network connection allowed is HTTP. No single source of online storage (last I checked the SkyDrive API wasn't opened, so you can't use it, by the developer contract).
Yes, it has a clean and effective API, but in terms of functionality from 3rd party apps, it lacks, and would still lack, even if it had all the developers of iOS and Android combined.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
Or you should visit the Firehose more often.
The UI may be great and the development environment good, but Microsoft, in a misguided attempt to lock developers to the platform (that only works when you have them to begin with), made it impossible to use c++ and OpenGL on them meaning every part of an Android or iOS game/app has to be rewritten to work on Windows Phone 7.
When you make it too hard, developers will stick with the platforms where the customers are; Android and iOS
(Posting AC because I'm at work and I don't log in from work)
I love Woz as much as the next geek (and I'm an Apple geek so I love him even more) but he is not a good judge of the market's desires. That's what made the Woz/Jobs partnership so successful. Woz was the hardware geek who loved to tinker with the guts of a machine and play with it and Jobs was the marketing genius who knew how to direct that passion into making a highly marketable product. Woz is brilliant but he likes to get to the guts of a machine. That is about as far from what "the market" wants as possible.
I'm not saying he's wrong - I haven't played with a WP7 phone at all so I have no personal experience with one - but I think people need to remember who's making the comments and what his passion is.
Are you still shilling for your MS overlords?
I have a WP7 phone (HTC). I've never seen those issues. I'm guessing they are hardware/driver issues. I'm guessing the UI toggle is tied to the processing state of the action - it stalled in the middle, so it died.
And you can't blame the phone OS if the store can't make their WiFi and phones work together. I've used my phone on my WiFi at work and the Sprint store, and had no issues whatsoever.
WP7 has it's flaws, particularly with the 3rd party dev API, but the issues you mentioned seem more likely to be AT&T or the hardware manufacturer.
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Come on, that's not fair. The first poster, TechCar, has a long history of 8 posts dating all the way back to two days ago! :)
The one Windows Phone evangelist who claimed the current devices would be upgradable, quickly walked those statements back.
Source here .
If you buy one of these "beta test" phones, you will soon be stuck in a multi-year contract with a device that will not be upgradable to the current version of the OS. There is nothing beautiful about that. Do not buy before Win Phone 8 is released!
Pretty much everything you just complained about is not true anymore. When they released Mango it allowed for more than just http requests and also the SkyDrive API is quit open. You should give it another gander because things have changed drastically in the last year.
Wozniak is a nerd's nerd. He isn't the general public, and what woz thinks is awesome is not likely to be what Joe average wants to use. That is not meant to be an insult by the way, the man is a genius. But he's a technical genius and not a genius with regards to what people want (that was Jobs).
I'd say that getting a glowing review by wozniak is just as likely to be the kiss of death as it is to be the harbinger of iphone doom...
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
When MS bought out the Chevron utility and built it as an option, it made the platform attractive -- no worrying about rooting or jailbreaking. A recent XDA article showed that that functionality is going away soon.
I wish it weren't the case, but I am tired of locked down platforms, and find Android the one that sucks the least. For example, if I want to block calls/texts with iOS [1], i'm forced to jailbreak. At least with Android, I can use Mr. Number or a root-level blacklist and be done with it.
What would be ideal would be a system similar to the one used for unlocking Nexus phone bootloaders -- an obstacle that will make Joe Sixpack go "hmm, maybe I shouldn't do this", but for someone who knows their stuff, would be trivial. That way, people who don't know what they are doing are protected by the phone's security and the gatekeeper at the app store, while people who are more interested in customization can do what they want.
[1]: Yes, there are apps that supposedly do blocking, but a lot of them do nothing except create a new contact entry with [Blocked] in it.
George Colony who blogged that Apple would decline in the post-Jobs era.
Since day one of the Macintosh, or you might say day one of the IBM PC, people have been predicting the demise of Apple. With every new model and every new OS, legions of entrenched industry analysts stood up and said with certainty..."whoa, this may be the end of Apple".
I guess if they just keep saying that, one day it will be true and they can pat themselves on the back for being so prescient.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
I don't think the app count is the issue, there are a lot of apps.
The app usefulness is the issue - the API, is at bast, extremely lacking in a lot of areas. There are some modern things that are very useful for apps, that just can't be done effectively with it. Outside of single player games, and some trivial stuff, there's not much interesting, in a modern sense, that you can do effectively with it.
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It's true, too. Windows Phone 7 UI is beautiful and even better than iPhone's, not to mention Android. Microsoft really outdid themselves with that.
In the turbid angry seas of opinion, personal choice, and inclination, its always refreshing to finally find some cold hard incontrovertable, academically provable, undeniable truth in a slashdot comment, without all the irrelivant and superfluous mucky muck editorial.
The Admin and the Engineer
Or restrict first posts to only say "First!", like we always used to do...
There's a difference between the UI and the OS.
Even if the WP7 UI is better it doesn't make it a better phone if the underlying OS is still a POS.
We need the stability and features of iOS, the openness of Android and the interface of WP7!
Acronyms are fun!
Look, just because his name is similar to other first-posting newly created account names accused of being MS shills (TechNY/TechLA), the account was created just yesterday and he only made pro-MS and anti-Google postings since then doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything at all ...
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
I understand that none of the current phones can be upgraded to WP8 when it is released.
If this is true then what is the point of anyone buying any of the current phones at the moment?
If Microsoft were really, really serious about phones then they wouldn't restrict their hardware like they seem to want to do.
Even Apple with its Walled Garden upgrade two year old phones to the latest version of IOS.
In Internet time, two days ago is like two centuries! ...wait a minute, we didn't even have computers and internet two centuries ago!!
TechCar is an alien visiting from the future!!!
I was given a Windows phone (older Samsung) at a conference to "eval". It does seem nice and all, but there aren't any apps for it yet. Things like - Google Voice - which is a must for me just aren't there. (And no, using the web page to make calls is not a workaround - it is a joke.) So instead of switching to the Windows phone for a bit, I thought I'd just activate it as a second phone for a couple of months. Verizon wanted a minimum of $60 a month more for me to just have a phone to play around with. And that was if I changed my plan (which would cancel my current unlimited data). If I stayed on my current plan they wanted $70 more a month. It just wasn't worth it. But I've played with the features of the phone over WiFi and it seems very nice. Without apps though not too many people will want it.
One word "Ugly".
Color scheme is right out of Hot Dog On a Stick. Icons look like my 3 year old drew them. If that is what is facing me every time I use my phone I think I'd be sick.
Granted Apple's icons are more polished, but the usability of iOS leaves much to be desired, they really need to redesign the flow and usability. Same with Android.
I'm not sure anyone is doing it right so far. HP WebOS was starting to look and feel promising, but we all know how that worked out.
Oh well, I'll just deal with these cruddy UI's until these companies actually do some usability studies before releasing garbage.
the shit by posting this article. What are you a sophomore high school tabloid? Why, yes. As a matter of fact you are.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
people seem to have forgotten the old days, which may well be back now that Jobs is gone -- " Apple computer, proudly going out of business since 1977 "
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Yeah and like 3-4 of them are raving about some sort of MS product, dissing Linux or dissing Google.
Yeah, I played with it too, and it did feel like an early release product.
It was interesting enough though that I would consider it in a year or so. What would make the difference for me will be how they handle integration with MS Office (and OneNote); if this is seamless and intuitive this would make a good business phone. The iPhone (my current phone) is great for everything else I do, but still seems forced whenever it needs to interact with Exchange, and Safari doesn't seem to handle SharePoint sites well (although this is not likely Apples fault). Android also seems to have this issue, and it was non-existent on my BB.
So I'll wait and see...
Wow, that's some pretty horrible justifications there.
What's left unsaid is often as important as that which was uttered aloud. Windows Phone being the most beatiful, and iOS having the most apps leaves Android not being special in any significant way, which I think Woz was aiming at, all along.
I still think Harmattan is the fairest of them all.
Just because Woz originally helped found Apple Computer in the 70's doesn't mean he's a shill for Apple 30 years later, long after having worked as one of their employees, and after the company changed names (simply "Apple" today -- with the "Computer" part purposely deleted).
I really do think the man speaks honestly about technology he uses, no matter which vendor it comes from. He often likes Apple's products, and when he does, he'll tell you so. But the media seems to assume he's "supposed to be saying that" and jumps to conclusions whenever he says something good about a competing product instead.
As a big fan of the iPhone myself, I'd agree with Woz about Windows Phone 7 too. It *does* have a refreshing and attractive-looking UI to it -- something I'm doubly impressed came out of Microsoft, after their LONG standing belief that everything they designed should have a START button in the corner. (Even their embedded systems for such things as vehicle navigation systems still required developers to purposely code the software to completely hide the OS's UI underneath, because nobody wanted a touchscreen in their car or truck to look like it was just another PC running a version of Windows, with icons to double-click.)
Well, to be more fair, he almost certainly has a shitload more posts than that going back for quite a bit longer, just spread between a few dozen accounts.
Yes, because anecdotal evidence tends to be more true.
The price is always right if someone else is paying.
He's not an Apple fanboy. He just likes good technology regardless of who makes it.
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The mill's closed. There's no more work. We're destitute. I've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments.
Quality phones?
When are they going to get 720p displays? I upgraded from 800x480 and I would never go back.
Not that windows phone is for me anyway. I am not going to be locked into one market and no real ROM scene since there is no source available.
TechCar is the latest iteration of a large group of astroturfing accounts. There's a bunch of high UID accounts with similar style names (two random words smashed together) that shill pro-Microsoft and anti-Google positions. Unsurprisingly, he was born yesterday to post in Bonch's story claiming Google management knew about the wifi harvesting. He shows up to defend a well-established anti-Google (and pro-Apple) shill and has since posted a series of anti-Linux, anti-Google, and pro-Microsoft comments.
Assuming he follows the same pattern as the rest, mods will catch on in a week or two and his karma will plummet. The account will get put to sleep and a new one will be created.
Yes, because anecdotal evidence tends to be more true.
I've found that to be true in my personal experience.
My relative got W7 phone as her first smartphone. During contact export from SIM card some phone numbers got reattached to wrong contacts. This is exactly what I told her: it is new, raw and un-patched, you bought it at your own risk.
How about growing up, and just ignoring things that bother you on the internet?
It's not like the 50th, 100th, 200th post is insightful. This is slashdot.
They now have a BI section. They think that has to do with nerds and technology.
It is the worst of "IT World", and the worst of fark. The trolls are the only thing I find enjoyable about the site anymore.
HTTP is not a replacement for every other protocol. I am sick of the brain dead thinking it is. We have other protocols for a reason.
As a simple example, http sure is not enough for an ftp client, ssh client, etc, etc, etc. 7.5 of course will let you do all these things.
It really doesn't matter how good (or not) Windows phone are:
1. The intersection of MS fanboys and people with widespread credibility is exactly 0.
2. Nobody (apart from MS employees and shareholders) wants it to succeed. - Most people who care about tech gear want MS products to fail so the company will die and be replaced by several other, better companies.
3. We all want competition, good products, and good value, but nobody associates any of those things with microsoft. We all reasonably expect competitors products to be at least as good and better value.
4. We'll happily take an apple/google duopoly over another MS monopoly anyday.
So unless the phones are both outstanding compared to the competition, and much better value, nobody is going to care about them. This seems unlikely.
If MS wants people to care about it's brands and products, it needs to split itself up into it's various divisions. Smaller, independent businesses would be forced to compete and innovate instead of relying on marketing and monopoly to ensure success. If WP7 became a genuine underdog, it might actually get some credible supporters. But since this won't ever happen, it will simply die a long, painful and expensive death. So props to MS on the strategy so far.
secure data transmission. Assuming Http is the only thing allowed that would mean https is not allowed.
Just the first thing that pops into my head... SSH?
Unless you're going with the notion that everyone should rent a VPS and run their own IP-over-HTTP tunnel through it, which somehow seems unlikely to go well with the mass-market...
Wow all those posts about TechNY / Bonch / Tech** being an utter shill werent jokes. You really are the biggest shill in the world.
How much are they paying you to do this? Have you ever criticized anything MS, or complimented anything Apple or Google? How many sites do you troll, looking for opportunities to drop your poison comments on?
Posting anon so I can mod your comment appropriately.
Until people start getting a BSOD while calling 911.
Hey! "Indestructible" is a quality.
And thus completes the circle of life...cue Elton John!
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
And besides HTTP, what do you see it needing? What can't be done with HTTP?
What are you babbling about? Come, come, elucidate!
For example, I have security cameras at home. I cannot access them via port 80 due to my ISP, I must access them via a different port that I "port forward". I could still access via the browser, but not the app, I would assume, but the app is nicer than the browser interface. But that's just me, not the person you are talking to...
Hey! "Indestructible" is a quality.
Yes... and it's one Nokia phones lack.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
How is the overall stability? With my android phone running Samsung/AT&T OEM Android Gingerbread I suffer about three hard lock-ups a week requiring a battery pull to reset the system. I hate it. A factory restore a month ago made things better for a while but I'm back to lockups again. I just disabled Javascript in the browser, hopefully that'll help. I use the phone for light to moderate web browsing, text messaging a lot and making phone calls. It seems like it can't handle a lot of fast app switching and fast switching from standby to on and back. Or maybe the user input queue gets hosed. It locks up a lot when I get a key bounce on the "on" button and double stroke it by accident.
Sure HTTP/S can replace ftp, even SCP, and there are plenty of implementations of the common uses for an SSH client that use HTTP/S. The biggest problem is if you are trying to connect to a service that you don't control, in that case you'll need clients designed for a specific protocol which would make things difficult with a locked down phone platform.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
The astroturfing and that song have a few things in common... one of which is irritation. It's pretty sad how Slashdot is getting "gamed" so easily by this group. (I seriously don't think it's just one person...)
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
my first thought was Gary Oldman
In 48 months there will be a Steve Jobs hologram.
Your complaint is hardly specific to Windows Phone 7 tho - I've not used it (consider that a caveat) so I can't comment on WP7, but I've had my fair share of UI glitches and software slide buttons sticking on both Android (HTC Desire, 2.1 iirc) and iPhone.
I've even had situations where the iPhone wont let me answer a call thats ringing, because the screen isnt responding to the slide - the call goes to voice mail, the screen reverts back to the lock screen, and suddenly everything works again.
I've had situations where I couldn't hang up the call on both the iPhone and Android. Now thats not a great situation to be in!
My iPhone also won't connect to my local pubs wifi, even when Im sat a couple of meters away from the router - won't see it, and if I try and connect manually it won't join the network.
So execution is really lacking all round.
I'm sure both other WP7 customers share your impressions.
If you aren't part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
The SkyDrive and other Live APIs are indeed opened -- for Windows Phone, iOS, Android, and Windows.
The Freelance Wizard
Did you actually mean to say that you think Steve Wozniak is a paid Microsoft Shill? (Not to mention a clueless moron?) Or did you just fail to proofread your trolling?
Wow, that is some pretty blatant Microsoft bashing there.
Look, just because his name is similar to other first-posting newly created account names accused of being MS shills (TechNY/TechLA), the account was created just yesterday and he only made pro-MS and anti-Google postings since then doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything at all ...
The question is whether this behaviour is actually shilling, or just a troll wanting to wind people up by making them think he's shilling (badly). I suspect the latter.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
Windows Phone is a pale imitation by comparison. You get tiles, some which show non-interactive information and you can rearrange them in a vertical list. Oh and set your screensaver wallpaper. Otherwise what you get is what you're given with little other customization possible.
It's pretty weak and reflects the OS as a whole. It's probably fine if you don't know any better but if you do then the flaws become apparent very quickly.
I have to laugh at the fanboys who modded this down.
I'm pretty sure that the people doing the first post prepared in advance are just trolls stepping up their game.
Apple Shill
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shill
No, it cannot. You might use it that way and you might think it is a good thing to do, but that does not make it so.
The biggest problem is that is not what it was designed to do. No different than people who think emailing files around is a good way to transport them. Which is what happens when you don't know that email BASE64 encodes everything since it was only designed to really deal with ASCII text.
Windows phone 7 is full of interesting and good ideas with poor execution and little polish.
Sounds like every Microsoft product ever.
Oh look - more anti-MS shilling here on Slashdot.
And you can't blame the phone OS if the store can't make their WiFi and phones work together
Umm.
Yes. You can. In almost all cases. If the store Wifi is working and everyone else can get on and that phone can not, What exactly is to blame?
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
So reading this I went hrmmm that seems dumb like how could Skype work over http? (I'm sure it could but that would be really weird), quick google search shows it has full sockets support http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202874(v=vs.92).aspx
Everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shill
Apple's co-founder Steve Wozniak
Sadly, most Apple fans these days don't consider Steve Wozniak the co-founder of Apple. They think Steve Jobs said "Let there be light" and then created everything Apple by himself. And I wish I were joking.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
There's a reason, Woz has been an engineer and not a designer at Apple.
Yeah - he actually invented things instead of putting pretty packages and a neat UI on existing things and marketing the hell out of them. He had the audacity to put function over form.
"But this one goes to 11!"
So, do you work for /. or do you pay them for them to post your story submissions?
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
meh, the shilling works backwards when it's done so poorly. it's a good question though who the fuck has time for that. and if they really wanted to really, really shill why the fuck don't they just create a regular account, post some random geeky stuff and info relevant to articles, get excellent karma and just disrespected whatever company they want all day long while not having to create a new account every now and then since the karma is sitting steadily at excellent.
fucking weirdos man.
wp isn't pad for a remote control ui, for a pda ui it sucks balls, for complex ui's sticking to the ui paradigms really blows - for really simple stuff it's sort of ok, the only good thing about it is that it doesn't pretend to be a real alarm clock look, doesn't pretend to display real pages, real toggles etc stuff. but technically the released stuff is still pretty much just "hey let's slap a phone soc on a zune and call it a day" and the smartphone programmable extendability features are certainly lacking, which makes managing the wifi and some other things a real pain and you can't get a 3rd party program to do the thing you need often done with one click.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
And out of his eight posts, four are negative of Google, one is negative of Linux, and three are positive about Microsoft.
I've been using my WP7/HTC for just about a year and love it.
Connection with Office works perfectly, Wifi everywhere I have tried it works, BT integrates with my GPS for hands free phone and even allows my GPS to read text messages.
Interface is simple and effective.
Camera is quite good and integration for uploading pics to places like Facebook is effortless.
Zune does suck though and I really wish a straight connection to PC was part of the package. (I don't like my iTunes/iPad connection any better)
Apps are a bit sparse for WP7 but really, who needs some of the ones out there anyway. The ones I do have are quite useful.
All in all it "just works"
MTCW
This is the kind of online argument I'd expect: ... you're a stinky poopy-face!
A: This is a superior product, because XYZ.
B: But it's inferior because other products have KLM, which is better than XYZ.
A: Whaddaya mean, XYZ rocks, KLM sucks!
B: Your product sucks!
A: Well, yeah
B: I'm not, but yo momma is!
A: B is totally like Hitler!
I am officially gone from
Obviously we cannot all be as enlightened as the iPhone lemmings. Its statistically impossible. :)
fuck online storage(for which there are api's), give a _proper_ local storage.
as far as phone stuff goes, the api is missing all the fun stuff. might just as well be coding for a zune.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Um, wow what a worthless response. The fact is that the real world has found plenty of ways to make HTTP do what many other protocols do which makes life easier for everyone since HTTP works without an end to end model which is increasingly not feasible in the real world.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
As to the story: There's a reason, Woz has been an engineer and not a designer at Apple.
So, then, you're saying his opinion is related to usability instead of aesthetics?
Works for me - I've always felt that form should follow function, not vice versa... which is exactly why I have never owned a single Apple product. Not to say they're unusable, but it's obvious to me that Apple is more concerned with their company image and style than actually making their products better.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
'Nokia' and 'quality' should not be put in the same sentence.
Poor quality is still quality.
I had the same with a Samsung Android on Sprint - having toyed with and heard of a few others, I'm inclined to blame Samsung.
This is an HTC, and it has crashed once in the year that I've had it. Which is more than I'd like, but tolerable.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
"Yeah, I played with it too, and it did feel like an early release product."
You mean it came early? Eeewww.
C|N>K
You are assuming it is working with all of the others.
Also, you are assuming the issue isn't with the driver or hardware (which would be the manufacturer of the phone, and not the OS).
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
SEO/Reputation Management firms pay people to do this shit. I actually personally know someone who does this for a living ("Work from home" jobs) and I expressed my distaste for the acts to them several times. I eventually just stopped talking to them altogether.
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
Correct, and the best of them are reviewed here.
Cross talk between applications. Talking with servers that would be better suited with a persistent connection?
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
Windows did it.
We all know it.
If Windows is anywhere near the scene of the crime, "Windows Did It."
Have we learned nothing?
The last good OS from Microsoft Was DOS 6.22. If you replaced command.com with 4dos.com.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
Current ones, maybe. You could cast one of the old Nokias (the old, phone-shaped ones) into Mt. Doom and it would still work (although I bet Mordor gets pretty bad reception).
HTTPS tends to be available in APIs that supply HTTP...
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
OK, last I saw, since MS didn't have their API available on the phone, you couldn't use it, even if you wrote your own code to handle it. Guess I'm outdated on that.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
He gives his honest opinion, saying what he believes to be true. There is no place for this sort of thing in the boardroom.
Actually this sort of thing is perfect for the boardroom, and it is something a person with the heart and soul of a salesman is likely to say at that level. The difference is that such a person would not say such a thing in public, only the privacy of the boardroom.
There are plenty of dysfunctional board members but not all are so. This is exactly the reason you have expert who are not competitors on your board.
Wish I knew how to get my beak wet on this. I have a WP7 phone that I simply adore and I'd love to get paid to say nice things about it. Maybe Tech* can hook me up?
usually but not always. Always make sure. Been burned by that in the past.
There were job openings for skype developers specifically on Windows Phone prior to MSs acquisition of Skype. I think it is safe to assume that Skype, therefore, is not limited to the restriction of 3rd party APIs...
However, the sockets support is an interesting, new thing. I haven't actually played around with it since last fall. It looked like there were no plans on progressing on the 'network sockets' front. I'm glad this has changed. It's one of the big reasons I gave up on writing anything for the platform.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
Oh man that was great I so want to buy one now but you forgot the social loot link at the end of the post, that's too bad
Two posts out of 8 for Tech Car state the following:
I'm a big fan of Google's products, I use gmail and my Android phone every day (even develop for it), but even I think this is scary and completely unacceptable. Just because its Google it doesn't make it right.
This is also one of the reasons I would never trust Google or their services.
It's nice that the shill can't even keep his story straight for two days.
Hey, I think the XNA API is rather nice (far superior to ObjC), plus there is a nice converting library for it called ExEn http://andrewrussell.net/exen/ . I'm a Java developer by history so I have a natural affinity for the Android API, but I think Microsoft did a great job with the API.
The issue I ran into using the windows mobile phones is that the one sprint offers doesn't support 4g, has a small screen, and is rather bad hardware all around. I'm waiting for one that is like my galaxy s2 then I will probably pick it up.
WTF Slashdot, why do I have to login 50 times to post?
Reminds me more of the South Park Circle of Poo
Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave!
I purchased a Lumia 900 on 4/8. Previous phones include Nokia N900 (still "running" MeeGo...) and HTC G2. So far the Lumia experience has been good. Pros: - Fluid, smooth and intuitive UI - Majority of everyday apps I use are native MS/Nokia, or good quality 3rd party (UC Browser, Nav, Google Voice, social networking, email, music player) - Excellent Nokia Drive navigation, probably best nav app I've used. Very quick GPS lock, nice UI while driving, good voice navigation - Good battery life. 16 hours of moderate/heavy use (not always on LTE though), with still juice left. - For me the home screen tiles work. IMO they are a nice compromise between an icon and widget, obviously this boils down to preference. Then again, if you load up your home screen with tiles, you've effectively made your home screen an app menu, just with super large icons... - Display works well in daylight - VKB is ok. Pretty quick swapping from portrait to landscape mode, but like with any touch keys, nothing beats the real keyboard. Pleased to find my native language as a quick switch option while typing. - LTE speeds so far have been good (7-8 mbps download in West L.A.; good/great 4G-speeds in Miami) - "Multitasking". Obviously nowhere near what the N900 offered, but in my daily use I find it similar to Android. - Last but not least, though this one seems to be an ignored feature of a modern smartphone: fantastic call quality -- mind you this on AT&T's famously shitty network. Cons: - Browser options (for now): IE9 is ok, not great, but I'd like to see Firefox and Opera Mobile as options. UC Browser as an IE9 variant offers some welcomed tweaks. - App menu: minor gripe in my use, but if you load your device with apps, the single file scrolling can become a real nuisance. Not that I found Android's App Drawer with 4-5 pages (or a cube/wheel/cylinder...) that much better. I use the KISS principle, worked on Android, works on WP7. - Battery (no percentage) and time displayed only on main screen, not when in app menu. - Display: while it works well outdoors, the screen res. does show its numbers, especially while browsing. Pixellation is apparent on the browser while zoomed out, after you pinch zoom in the text/font looks ok -- for some reason I'd think this would be the other way around. - Camera: Not bad, but not excellent either. It seems like my N900 takes as good pictures as Lumia 900, though this is subjective as I am not a photo-pro. So, the cam is a minor disappointment. - Integration with Zune. Only reason I've used Zune was to do a firmware upgrade. But, signing up with Microsoft/Apple, you kinda know that this is the shit you have to put up with. - Lack of specific apps. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't live without -- i.e. I've modified my phone usage, like I had to do with the N900 -- but Android app market makes life much more fun if you have the time and energy to read about, test, and install/uninstall apps. - The non-upgradeability to WP8. This one's going to bring some suckage. Though I have to admit, I wasn't even thinking about it when I bought the Lumia 900 (ok, so I got a refund for the purchase price, thanks Nokia!). So I guess I shouldn't complain after all. And it's not like my 2-yr old G2 was getting any love from HTC/T-Mo (ICS Beta on it, ran like, a beta...). I have no idea how the app devel process varies between WP7, Android and iOS, but from an enduser, albeit not a superuser, experience, IMO Lumia 900 works well. I've dumbed down my device requirements, but so far I'm liking it. When I want to dig into an OS, I'll just continue tweaking my Arch with OpenBox :)
Don't allow posts from accounts less than a year old to appear as first post. Hold them in queue until a few dozen posts have been made. You could also slow them down a bit by requiring two mod-ups to raise their score one point.
AFAIK they already don't allow brand spankin' new accounts to moderate. The real challenge is dealing with established accounts that don't 'turf; but moderate up the turfers. It could be a political issue if you simply LART them.
I hypothesize that if a user's up-mods all go towards new accounts, that user is likely a shill. They certainly have a strange bias. There's not much reason to skew your mods towards new accounts. Yeah, sympathy for high ID numbers; wanting to make new users feel good; but that's not really productive. We can do without that.
There's still nothing to stop a determined bunch of 'turfers from gaining access. You should make them work for it though.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
... because Wozniak also stated that hos most preferred phone is still the iPhone. Does that mean that the iPhone is dying anytime soon, or does your selective logic apply only to Windows Phone?
Seems legit to me
I haven't tried a new Windows phone yet but I've seen videos of the Metro interface, which will showcase in the Windows 8 desktop/laptop operating system. I think its ugly and unimpressive but that's my opinion. I don't see why Woz is ecstatic about it.
HTTP is not a replacement for every other protocol. I am sick of the brain dead thinking it is. We have other protocols for a reason
This didn't happen because people are idiots. Admins censored the other ports, and people routed around it. Of course there are network tools that can tell if you are trying to piggyback something else through port 80, so you might as well finagle your exchanges into legitimate HTTP traffic.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
"I also surmised that Steve Jobs might have been reincarnated at MS (Microsoft)" Classic! :) What if??? A new meme is born! http://memegenerator.net/Reincarnated-Microsoft-Employee-Steve-Jobs
From what I read Skype does have the multitasking restriction. You can receive and answer Skype calls, just not if the app goes in the background.
If you switch to the web browser, you don't receive calls. If you're in a call and switch to the web browser, your call drops.
Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
Windows phone 7 is full of interesting and good ideas with poor execution and little polish.
Why would you expect it to be polished? They've barely had any time to work on it, and they needed to rush it out to market.
My good friend who's a diehard Apple user had an upgrade come up, and basically got paid to get Lumia due to the recent $100 thing. He's absolutely in love with it. TMS may have a winner on their hands.
The main significance is WHO is praising the Windows phone, not that it is MS shilling. Unfortunately, the poster degenerated into Apple bashing, which I find annoying. If you want to bash, look at market share - iPhone and Android crush Windows phone, which has less market share than mac does. I don't know where Windows phone stands today, but it lacked numerous features when Windows Phone 7 was released and I was in the market for a phone almost 2 years ago (like multitasking, html5 support, threaded email, and copy/paste).
As for newsworthy, probably not as much as Ubuntu on Android though personally I dislike some of the changes made to Ubuntu lately (I have several flavors of Linux on various VMs for solving user problems, so "not using it" is not an option - I often have to use what customers use to see the problems they are seeing). I have no idea how it will translate to a phone.
Hey, I agree that the UI looks ok on a phone (it's not what I prefer but I understand the draw). However, MSFT is hedging its bets on that UI being on their desktop too.
I'm sorry but it sucks on the desktop and while they may have made a great choice for the mobile devices of the world, they fucked up royally on desktops.
Considering the posts have the same time stamp as the story it is obvious that /. is complicit in this and therefor unlikely to implement any changes.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
If it ran on Verizon, you could have probably used it on PagePlus for $12 per month assuming it was out of contract and unlocked.
The last good OS from Microsoft Was DOS 6.22. If you replaced command.com with 4dos.com.
I'd mod you +1 Funny and insightful for this if I had points. That brings back some memories.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
It's still a "windows" phone, advertised as such, so any failings in operation that appear to be software related will justly be seen as an MS failing.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
How can it be 'most' of them? It must be either all, 1/2 or none! Unless fractional people get opinions. You can't get a 'most' of a group of only 2 people!
HTTP is itself insecure. It's also TCP based, PTP, and there are a host of other reasons/limitations why it's unsuitable for a large range of purposes. But, if your world revolves around a simple insecure request/response model, I suppose it can accommodate.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Windows phone 7 is full of interesting and good ideas with poor execution and little polish.
Sounds like every Microsoft product ever.
Wow, a blatantly trolling comment and it gets +5 insightful. Slashdot really is the Fox News of news sites - keep the group-think alive people, what's the worst that can happen!
throw new NoSignatureException();
I use a Lumia 900 quite a bit nearly every single day and have yet to experience any of those issues.
No, it was a real response. You might like these kludges and braindead solutions, I don't. You might be able to hack HTTP into a replacement for all these things but that only means we don't get good replacements for those things.
I love my Lumia 900 and can always use extra money so can you please tell me how I might go about getting some of that money? Of course it could be simply that people actually like the product. Shocking I know.
I like Windows Phone 7 so does that make me a shill?
Probably due to hidden SSID which the phones can't handle.
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/08/04/windows-phone-missing-feature-of-the-week-connect-to-hidden-wireless-
networks/
I find Windows 7 to be very polished. I just prefer Linux.
When was the last time you checked? 1. 3 years ago? http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2011/06/07/new-skydrive-features-coming-in-mango.aspx
If users are going to have to fight with drivers on their Windows phones, then Microsoft has already lost the race. Nobody wants to muck with drivers on their friggin' phone. What the hell does that even mean? It's not like someone swapped out the network adapter or anything -- so if they wifi doesn't work out of the box, the entire phone is suspect and isn't ready for consumers.
Well, then maybe the OS+phone combo, but people kind of expect wi-fi to be a well solved problem. Find the network, enter the password, and go. It's not like it's new or anything.
If I was testing out a phone, and I couldn't get it to use the wifi in the store, I'd simply move onto the next phone. That's some serious warning signals the phone is going to be problematic.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Only network connection allowed is HTTP.
You are wrong. I SSH from my WP7 all the time using "The SSH Client" on the marketplace. I'm not sure where you're getting your information.
Sorry but you are an idiot. Nearly everyone is connecting to a service they don't control, especially if they use Microsoft or Apple products!
Much more accurate
As a shareholder, I demand to see the MSFT deal announced, and/or for it to appear as a line item on the balance sheet. I should be getting paid (indirecty) for this too.
My relative got W7 phone as her first smartphone. During contact export from SIM card some phone numbers got reattached to wrong contacts. This is exactly what I told her: it is new, raw and un-patched, you bought it at your own risk.
Corrupting your data isn't a bug, it's a feature. Security isn't required if the data leaked from your phone is invalid.
It actually doesn't mean anything. Ad hominem attacks are not valid arguments.
Well, Stallman would be hard pushed to comment on this seeing as he point blank refuses to have a mobile phone, believing them to be tracking devices. Which I suppose they are.
Because the DEVELOPER experience is TERRIBLE, No access to bluetooth, no side loading, no db storage, no this no that...
Ever wonder why there is hardly any apps for WP? That is why. No developer story worth talking about...
Everybody is going Droid because you can access everything. Field service/embedded/wearable apps are done with Android and iOS, not WP for a reason. Droid is open, WP is crippled.
Bye bye WP. I know because I faced exactly this problem and had to recommend Android for a company, they had a choice forced onto them by Microsoft. Balmer loses yet again in the mobile space for another 5 years, they are at least 3 years behind the competition with regards to developer adoption.
So, then, you're saying his opinion is related to usability instead of aesthetics?
I think you mean utility. Engineers know next to nothing about usability and intuitive interfaces.
My cousin's friend's girlfriend says you can trust what people say online.
I drank what? -- Socrates
Meta-trolling? I hates me some meta-trolls something fierce I do!
I drank what? -- Socrates
Thanks, that made me appreciate my N9 even more because 1) there are no immature fart apps on the N9. 2) the swipe UI on the N9 is awesome (how many times did he have to hit the back button to close "fart commander"?). 3) the N9 has proper multitasking (vs WM7's lame "do not close the app or lock your phone" message on one of those apps).
Is Woz losing it? Going on "Life on the D List" and then "Dancing with the Stars". Not sure I trust the judgement here anymore. Still the Apple I and II were great computers and great accomplishments.
Woz was the hardware guru who created the original Apple computers; Jobs was the marketing guy who got them in people's hands.
But as a true "geek", Woz has the decency to respect his competition, and no shame in giving them praise when it's due.
It's a shame so-called "businessmen" couldn't be as generous in their dealings with the competition.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
I believe GP is referring to the high-UID, immediate first post shill that he replied to, not the Woz.
He had the audacity to put function over form.
Which is an equivalent mistake to putting form over function. A well balanced amount of both is what makes a good product great.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
I haven't seen one in person yet, but from the comemrcials they look pretty slick. Goatburg also gave a good reveiw. Once a model comes to VMo I'll give them a close look.
This comment, and the other comments of this user remind me of an "Unspeakable Vault" comic strip:
http://www.goominet.com/unspeakable-vault/vault/376/
I was going to mod it up, until I saw that it was from a shill account.
As for you: -1, clueless
you're assuming that the average business grad has the mental capacity for critical thinking or planning, seeing as 90% of them go into business school in the first place as a lazy get-rich-quick scheme. You just have to look at most tv commercials to see that the only place the average business marketer is manipulative is in their own head (and the South).
At least some are funny, though. Just look at the allstate commercials.
For all intents and purposes (FTFY)
C++ and OpenGL ES are respectively the most used language and graphics API for development of 3D applications on mobile devices. These are not available on WP7 phones. Is this locking developers in or out of WP7 app development?
Maybe Steve Woz was just trying to channel Steve Jobs' spirit, but got Steve Ballmer's anti-spirit in an appalling New-Age screw-up. Did he also throw a chair or scream about killing Google?
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
I've noticed Woz speaking more freely lately from praising open source to now liking microsoft phone interface over iphone's.
Course we all know Steve Jobs was bipolar, would verbally assault employees, and even physically assault one at one point. Throwing temper tantrums, making developers work 16+ hours a day and the story that even made it to that old movie firing a guy for nodding off after 100 hour work week.
He ran the place as a tyrant. and no telling how much verbal abuse and possible legal threats Woz received when he left. There are some candid interviews with Woz where he states he could be Job's friend but was a monster.
Now with Jobs dead he has freedom now to finally speak his mind instead of be worried that some appletard will sue him or try and kill his pension for being anti apple now.
There are thousands of shill accounts on Slashdot with excellent karma, regular fanboys like Bonch, BasilBrush and SuperKendall who spend most of their time doing freelance (and most likely free) PR for some corporation. They usually don't get troll mods unless they deserve it, and I don't think it's more deserved just because the corporation in question is Microsoft.
I had my Linux laptop crash yesterday. I looked up and saw a window trying to hide behind some venetian (sp?) blinds. I blame Gates.
So? People rarely go around memorizing founders of companies. How many remember Paul Allen of Microsoft? Larry Ellison founded what became Oracle with two other people, but hardly anyone knows the names of Robert Miner and Ed Oates. The first names of Hewlett and Packard? But it's not a big deal.
You are not joking because you actually believe that... that is the sad part.
Yeah, and they've been paying clueless morons to rave about their shit on the internet too.
Well I certainly never saw a dime of that money.
I find the Mac OS X interface very unproductive and prefer either Gnome2 or Windows over it.
Having said that, it's still miles behind Gnome3 in terms of being the most unproductive.
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One doesn't just get four bars in Mordor.
Here's the problem people seem to forget; much to the advantage of apple.
The OS goes on many different hardware devices. So it's difficult with one phone having problem to judge is its the OS, the Hardware, the OS implementation.
I have huge respect for Woz. I give him more credence then pretty much any technical blogger. I really like how useful mt Nexus Android is, but I will taker a look wt windows latest offering when I want to upgrade.
I probably won't, because MS links everything together in such away that fi one of them gets compromised, they all stop working.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
One ring to rule them all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq0EmbY3XyI
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" I've always felt that form should follow function"
that was Steve Jobs fucking mantra. It WHY they are successful, you git. Their image comes from having better products.
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Nah - it just means that you lack taste. ;)
(I jest, but you did leave the opening...)
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Don't you think you should back up such accusations? For the past two years quite enjoyed my N900, and suited me ok. Before that a K800 (or some such), which also was quite a sturdy phone.
But hey, that's just my anecdotical evidence against yours, right? Ohwait, you didn't even supply any 'evidence'.
Regardless of your port forwarding and your ISP's limitations, it's still HTTP.
Damn, people are grumpy today!
Not saying HTTP is the best protocol for all situations, but if you've got HTTP and nothing else, you can pretty much do anything. You could even pre-encrypt your data and sent it over HTTP if you really had the need.
agreed, so a more interesting question is what's more unproductive - unity or gnome3? both make me want to kill myself, but i like unity better because it makes me desperate to kill myself quicker, like with a gun, as opposed to slitting my wrists, which i hear can make you chilly and sensitive to drafts. with mac os x, it's more like a desire to jump off a building -- i still want to die quickly, but maybe a little user experience along the way doesn't hurt. and then the abrupt too-much-user-experience stop at the end.
insensitive clod overlords obligatory xkcd car analogy russian reversals whoosh pedant fanbois ftfy in 3...2...1..PROFIT
The phone's network stack was probably written by the same fine folks responsible for several million angry, frustrated, and miserable users with laptops and new installations of Vista who found themselves unable to connect to most wi-fi access points courtesy of the "feature" that ultimately led to KB928233 ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233/en-us ) -- usually, when they were someplace where they couldn't easily get online to look up the solution.
That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but with which I disagree. While I don't own any Apple products, I have used them before, and found their functionality and user interface to be lacking.
that was Steve Jobs fucking mantra.
Hate to burst your bubble but IMO your human Adonis, The Great and Powerful Jobs, was an abject failure in following his own mantra, then. If so, why do I hate their stuff? Oh, right - because locked down, proprietary bullshit that I pay for but technically do not own is the complete opposite of "functional" in my book. BTW, how long did it take Jobs to catch up to the PC industry, by realizing that having to click the mouse and hold a hotkey down is not the most functional way to access a context menu? 20 years?
It WHY they are successful, you git.
Negative, Ghost Rider - they are successful because they managed to turn being a douchebag hipster with more money than sense from a niche market to the mainstream... or maybe because douchebag hipsters became mainstream on their own...
Their image comes from having better products.
Again, this is a purely subjective topic, but what exactly makes their products "better," and what are they better than? Their OS is interesting but not spectacular, and kind of a pain-in-the-ass to use; their MP3 players are pretty, sure, but require locked-down, proprietary software; Their tablets are... well, as useful as any other tablet (which, to me, is not useful at all), but hardly anything to write home about.
Their products are "pretty," I will admit. Unfortunately, in this case, pretty doesn't make the sale.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
ByOhTek, TechLA, TechNY, TechCar, etc etc have been busted many times as shills. They're paid by Burson Marsteller to promote Microsoft products and denigrate their competitors. I'd rather trust a random AC than them.
Does it use any bits of zune? Oh it does? Then I would have to say Woz was only looking at half the picture. If it has zune stuff (i.e. software for syncing) then Woz hasn't even seen how horrible that experience can be and why it is something that trumps whatever pluses the phone has.
Microsoft refuses to let the zune stuff die and it will likely take down this phone too.
Locked down? Why, I rooted my MacBook Pro in less than 15 minutes! I think the hardest part was figuring out what password to use.
If I used a sig over again, would anyone notice?
...first he claims that Apple is actually innovative in the last couple of decades, and then he calls that ghastly fugly UI from M$ pretty or something?!
I think that Woz must be suffering from a brain tumor of some sort given these comments, or loads of monies and lawyers and financial advisors...
wince(including their aborted wince 7 aka winders phonez 7 and winders 8 for ARM is nothing more than their crappy wince embedded OS which has been variously loaded down with crappy UI starting with teh originalz having winder 3.0 UI while being just as useless AND having fewer "featurez"...)
Did you actually mean to say that you think Steve Wozniak is a paid Microsoft Shill? (Not to mention a clueless moron?) Or did you just fail to proofread your trolling?
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the parent post by TechCar. The post is almost worded like a Microsoft commercial.
Someone needs to post a "host" file containing all the shill accounts for us to 127.0.0.1 (i.e. add to our foes list).
He did say that Android "is no contest."
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Most of the argument is based on his actual posting history, which isn't ad hominem.
You can verify the posts and confirm or deny any bias the poster had.
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
"My primary phone is the iPhone," said Wozniak. "I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do."
http://www.dailytech.com/Woz+I+Wish+My+iPhone+Did+All+The+Things+My+Android+Does/article23798.htm
Hi. While you were stuck in 2010, this feature was added in the Mango release.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
fuck online storage(for which there are api's), give a _proper_ local storage.
Proper for which use case?
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
At least he seems not to be biased.
Man, 4DOS was the best! I still use 4NT as my main command prompt in Windows 7. It's starting to show its age though, but there really isn't a good replacement so that's why I keep using it..
We are going to have to agree to disagree here. I would much rather have something ugly and useful than something pretty and useless. Function before form always. Putting it in a pretty package is just the icing on the cake.
"But this one goes to 11!"
Was specifically referring to iTunes...
Wait, rooted a MacBook? How does that work, and why would you have to root your computer?
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
I'll assume you use Linux then. And you don't use X11, but just the virtual consoles. ONE virtual console actually. There is nothing you can't do in ONE virtual console.
Come on. The balance is not necessarily the same for you, but if I forced you to do all your console work in ONE console you would be miserable.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
powershell?
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I was talking about hardware, not software. Limiting yourself to one Linux console has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I am not a minimalist stating the least amount of resources should be used to get the job done. I am saying I would rather have a piece of hardware that works well and doesn't look "cool" rather than something that looks awesome but doesn't get the functionality right.
"But this one goes to 11!"
Phones have hardware, therefore there are drivers. Users don't "muck" with them, but that doesn't mean they're not there. Because drivers are software, they can (and often do) have bugs. This is true for every phone platform from the old WM, to Android, iOS, BB, WP7, you name it. If hardware and software are interacting, a driver is necessarily involved, because that's what we call the bits of software that interact with hardware.
If you didn't know, AT&T has WiFi APs in various areas. The software on my stock Galaxy S II (AT&T version, i-777) has some sort of weird built-in extra support for these access points. It connects to them automatically whenever they're in range.
This is AT&T's software (at least on Android, I don't know how it works on WP7), so on my phone at least, I'd blame AT&T if it didn't work, not the underlying Android OS.
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People actually store contacts on SIM cards?
Huh.
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I tried using psh but couldn't really wrap my head around it. Maybe I need to try harder.
It's sad that Wozniak was always hindered by his inability to be a bullshit artist.
I question why you think he was "hindered." He's a fabulously wealthy geek who can pursue whatever interests he likes. Obviously he had no interest in becoming a buzzword-spouting script-reading corporate CxO. Feeling sorry for him for not being a successful chief executive is like pitying Steve Jobs for never becoming Prime Minister of Canada.
If so, why do I hate their stuff? Oh, right - because locked down, proprietary bullshit that I pay for but technically do not own is the complete opposite of "functional" in my book.
So buy a MacBook Pro; it's not locked down at all. My comment is a joke to anyone who knows Apple. Apple even tells you how to root it.
I rooted a Mac once so I could change the name of the main administrative user (as I recall).
If I used a sig over again, would anyone notice?
So buy a MacBook Pro; it's not locked down at all. My comment is a joke to anyone who knows Apple. Apple even tells you how to root it.
Uh.... wanna try that again?
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Even if Windows did good on new OS to late as a owner of windows mobile 5 ,6 & 7 before my IPhone should have done this sooner
Have no interest in new OS
If you're on Windows (and you seem to be), then you ought to be using PowerShell. It really is that good.
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Thanks for the encouragement. I'll try it again.
I guess it'd be really useful for server maintenance automation etc.