Android and Apple devices are eating their lunch at home. There's no money to be made selling low margin devices. If this keeps up, they may not be in the phone business too long.
Take a good look at the N8 and then try to say this with a straight face. That's possibly the best keyboardless phone money can buy today, and easily the best one in its price range. Don't you see even Americans comparing the N8 to the iPhone 4, even though the N8 costs about half as much?
I can. And I have. The software that it runs blows. Even if the hardware is incredible. Even if they packed a CPU that chugged along like an i7 and sipped power like an ARM Cortex.
Yes, Americans are comparing the iPhone 4 with the N8, but, those are also the gadget obsessed geeks. Not the average lay user. To the average lay user, Nokia's shit stinks. The phone's hardware features are held back by the lousy software.
(The N8 is only $100 cheaper; and boy does it show).
Then, look at things like giving free, offline GPS voice navigation for every customer. Isn't that driving the market (or at least driving TomTom and Garmin out of the market)? Who was the first to develop a 100% open source mobile OS that actually works, leading the innovation that lead to WebOS and Android? Who has a phone that actually can use 3G roaming to every network on the planet? And before you say it, that isn't easy. If it was, it would never have been a problem.
Symbian went open source in '08. Android has been open source since 2007.
Also, doing Quadband isn't that big of a deal for most users. Most people won't travel from the UK or Europe to the US and viceaversa. Yes, the carrier lock thing stinks to high hell, but, no one's disputing that it's easy, but is it necessary for most users?
Saying Nokia doesn't matter in the mobile ecosystem just utterly stupid, just like saying that Linux doesn't matter in the Free Software/Open Source ecosystem. People only do it either because it wasn't invented by them and they're jealous, or because it's cool to hate on the leader, or maybe for sheer ignorance.
So prove it. What about Nokia is similar to Linux?
Candy bar, all screen, no physical keyboard, as few buttons as possible, *touch* not stylus
Yes, there were phones that did some of this, but, before the iPhone, the Android reference design looked like a Black Berry. Nokia wasn't doing a similar looking phone.
Coke wasn't the first cola drink. Not by a long shot. But since Coke? They owned the Cola drink.
When the Motorola RAZR dropped in '03, the OS mimicked Symbian. In fact, until the iPhone, most everyone was playing a game of copy that UI and everyone targeted Symbian. Except RIM(who got mimicked by Google with Android(look up the original reference designs), and Microsoft.
The fact that the N8 and the N97 and other Nokia phones(and Android phones) have aped the iPhone form factor means that yes, Nokia doesn't matter.
Will they be the biggest? Maybe. But will they be the most profitable(no, and they aren't by a long shot)? What innovations will they bring to the mobile world that Android or Apple won't?
The Ovi Store says it all. Gruber's take says it all. Nokia might not be done selling smart phones, but they're not the market leader anymore and probably will never be again.
Nokia's the phone equivalent to GM. #1 in sales globally, sure, but, who's making waves in the industry? Who's dictating where things go? It's certainly NOT GM. And it's certainly not Nokia.
My right to pay whatever price I choose, as it is yours
You indeed have that right. I also have the right to contribute to the conversation when you spew nonsense.
FTFY. And you do have the right to your opinion and the choices you make based on it, as long as your opinion/choices don't hurt me (and any constrained imposed on the free market are going to hurt me... this is why I don't like Apple). Are we cool honey-bunny?
Of course this is my opinion. However, you didn't address my point. Why are you supporting Google in this matter? The Nokia fanboys at least consistent with their beliefs of freedom.
Google's licensing deals are toxic for the future of the Android platform.
a. "fragmentation" still allow for choices. As always, freedom is not gratis, always come with a price (as anything in this world).
So why are you paying that price and not the OEM or the network vendor?
The prices you pay kind of suck. You paid them for the phone. Google fucked up because they should've strong armed OEMs into providing proper and timely updates.
Also, what's the difference between SenseUI in say, Donut or Eclair that isn't in say, FroYo or Gingerbread?
Exactly. I really don't care about the marketing hype.
Tell the devs it's going to be as powerful as the PS3, have them push out snazzy screen shots and marketing promotional material telling us to buy the damn thing.
The PS3 was in my greedy hands when MGS4 dropped. The Wii was in my greedy hands with the announcement of well, quite a lot of pretty good stuff. Virtual On Oratorio Tangram/Force made the purchase of a 360 a no-brainer.
Gamers largely shouldn't care about the number of triangles or how many shaders a console has. Yes, it's true, better graphics can enable developers to put together a deeper experience. But don't spew CPU/GPU bile to me about how powerful a machine is. Show me the games first. And if the device is really up for the task, the games will be amazing.
I had one of those during a brief period in May when my iPhone 3GS got stolen. I can tell you why.
I also want a competent web browser, applications that aren't written in ancient dialects of J2ME, an MP3 player that just actually worked(Seriously, syncing over bluetooth sucked; syncing over usb was impossible because the pin connector was bent; say what you will about the 30 pin dock connector; between 4 iPhones and 3 iPods and i've never had this problem) with real headphones(Say what you will about the iPhone 1's recessed jack; I can easily hack, literally with a knife, an adapter cable).
Just because it's useful doesn't mean it has to be hackable and completely reconfigurable. if I had to baby my phone like I would a computer, I would throw it out(Alternatively if I was locked out of my computer the way I was with my phone, I'd throw it out too; here's to hoping Lion doesn't lock down OSX like iOS). I need to make and take calls, texts and email while not chained to a computer or worrying about xml configuration strings. There's so much more life out there than just computing. Occasionally you have to go outside and get booty.
(Windows Mobile 7 has an interesting take on this; too bad the phone OS sucks).
The mute switch is infinitely more useful than a orientation lock. Especially if you're use to iOS and you're trying to post prank wall postings to their Facebook wall with out them hearing the click click click of the on screen keyboard. Hardware keyboards are louder and less stealthy for this task.
I don't trust myself to not fuck up my phone(because, well, it's a phone and not a computer. Hours of downtime I'd get by fiddling around isn't acceptable for me here). I don't trust the carriers or Microsoft.
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So sue me. The n97 has a keyboard. big whoop.
Android and Apple devices are eating their lunch at home. There's no money to be made selling low margin devices. If this keeps up, they may not be in the phone business too long.
Take a good look at the N8 and then try to say this with a straight face. That's possibly the best keyboardless phone money can buy today, and easily the best one in its price range. Don't you see even Americans comparing the N8 to the iPhone 4, even though the N8 costs about half as much?
I can. And I have. The software that it runs blows. Even if the hardware is incredible. Even if they packed a CPU that chugged along like an i7 and sipped power like an ARM Cortex.
Yes, Americans are comparing the iPhone 4 with the N8, but, those are also the gadget obsessed geeks. Not the average lay user. To the average lay user, Nokia's shit stinks. The phone's hardware features are held back by the lousy software.
(The N8 is only $100 cheaper; and boy does it show).
Then, look at things like giving free, offline GPS voice navigation for every customer. Isn't that driving the market (or at least driving TomTom and Garmin out of the market)? Who was the first to develop a 100% open source mobile OS that actually works, leading the innovation that lead to WebOS and Android? Who has a phone that actually can use 3G roaming to every network on the planet? And before you say it, that isn't easy. If it was, it would never have been a problem.
Symbian went open source in '08. Android has been open source since 2007.
Also, doing Quadband isn't that big of a deal for most users. Most people won't travel from the UK or Europe to the US and viceaversa. Yes, the carrier lock thing stinks to high hell, but, no one's disputing that it's easy, but is it necessary for most users?
Saying Nokia doesn't matter in the mobile ecosystem just utterly stupid, just like saying that Linux doesn't matter in the Free Software/Open Source ecosystem. People only do it either because it wasn't invented by them and they're jealous, or because it's cool to hate on the leader, or maybe for sheer ignorance.
So prove it. What about Nokia is similar to Linux?
GM was #1 as of '09. So I'm a few years off. They're still #2.
That wasn't my point. My point was, "Who's driving innovation? Who's driving the market?"
It's not Nokia.
Or compare him to OPK.
Steve Jobs: "Android isn't best for the customer."
OPK: "Android is like peeing in your pants."
Candy bar, all screen, no physical keyboard, as few buttons as possible, *touch* not stylus
Yes, there were phones that did some of this, but, before the iPhone, the Android reference design looked like a Black Berry. Nokia wasn't doing a similar looking phone.
Coke wasn't the first cola drink. Not by a long shot. But since Coke? They owned the Cola drink.
Seriously.
"If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride."
Symbian MAY have lead innovation, but not anymore.
What has Symbian done that's been beneficial to the mobile ecosystem SINCE iOS dropped?
Maybe there's nothing new for mobile for now.
When the Motorola RAZR dropped in '03, the OS mimicked Symbian. In fact, until the iPhone, most everyone was playing a game of copy that UI and everyone targeted Symbian. Except RIM(who got mimicked by Google with Android(look up the original reference designs), and Microsoft.
The fact that the N8 and the N97 and other Nokia phones(and Android phones) have aped the iPhone form factor means that yes, Nokia doesn't matter.
Will they be the biggest? Maybe. But will they be the most profitable(no, and they aren't by a long shot)? What innovations will they bring to the mobile world that Android or Apple won't?
The Ovi Store says it all. Gruber's take says it all. Nokia might not be done selling smart phones, but they're not the market leader anymore and probably will never be again.
Nokia's the phone equivalent to GM. #1 in sales globally, sure, but, who's making waves in the industry? Who's dictating where things go? It's certainly NOT GM. And it's certainly not Nokia.
Stock, vim's :set autoindent and ;set magicindent both do tabs.
Mostly because when you're using arrow keys (or hjkl in VIM), having to scroll past 20 spaces is more annoying than just going 3 tabs over.
My right to pay whatever price I choose, as it is yours
You indeed have that right. I also have the right to contribute to the conversation when you spew nonsense.
FTFY. And you do have the right to your opinion and the choices you make based on it, as long as your opinion/choices don't hurt me (and any constrained imposed on the free market are going to hurt me... this is why I don't like Apple).
Are we cool honey-bunny?
Of course this is my opinion. However, you didn't address my point. Why are you supporting Google in this matter? The Nokia fanboys at least consistent with their beliefs of freedom.
Google's licensing deals are toxic for the future of the Android platform.
a. "fragmentation" still allow for choices. As always, freedom is not gratis, always come with a price (as anything in this world).
So why are you paying that price and not the OEM or the network vendor?
The prices you pay kind of suck. You paid them for the phone. Google fucked up because they should've strong armed OEMs into providing proper and timely updates.
Also, what's the difference between SenseUI in say, Donut or Eclair that isn't in say, FroYo or Gingerbread?
Exactly. I really don't care about the marketing hype.
Tell the devs it's going to be as powerful as the PS3, have them push out snazzy screen shots and marketing promotional material telling us to buy the damn thing.
The client.
The lawyer's going to get paid either way.
The PS3 was in my greedy hands when MGS4 dropped. The Wii was in my greedy hands with the announcement of well, quite a lot of pretty good stuff. Virtual On Oratorio Tangram/Force made the purchase of a 360 a no-brainer.
Gamers largely shouldn't care about the number of triangles or how many shaders a console has. Yes, it's true, better graphics can enable developers to put together a deeper experience. But don't spew CPU/GPU bile to me about how powerful a machine is. Show me the games first. And if the device is really up for the task, the games will be amazing.
If you've got 20 seconds to post, "Free lunch to everyone who likes this." that's too many taps to achieve your goals of pwnage.
I think Apple's solution is best, do both and hide the configuration somewhere where average users won't find it.
I had one of those during a brief period in May when my iPhone 3GS got stolen. I can tell you why.
I also want a competent web browser, applications that aren't written in ancient dialects of J2ME, an MP3 player that just actually worked(Seriously, syncing over bluetooth sucked; syncing over usb was impossible because the pin connector was bent; say what you will about the 30 pin dock connector; between 4 iPhones and 3 iPods and i've never had this problem) with real headphones(Say what you will about the iPhone 1's recessed jack; I can easily hack, literally with a knife, an adapter cable).
Just because it's useful doesn't mean it has to be hackable and completely reconfigurable. if I had to baby my phone like I would a computer, I would throw it out(Alternatively if I was locked out of my computer the way I was with my phone, I'd throw it out too; here's to hoping Lion doesn't lock down OSX like iOS). I need to make and take calls, texts and email while not chained to a computer or worrying about xml configuration strings. There's so much more life out there than just computing. Occasionally you have to go outside and get booty.
(Windows Mobile 7 has an interesting take on this; too bad the phone OS sucks).
The mute switch is infinitely more useful than a orientation lock. Especially if you're use to iOS and you're trying to post prank wall postings to their Facebook wall with out them hearing the click click click of the on screen keyboard. Hardware keyboards are louder and less stealthy for this task.
This a matter of control and trust.
I don't trust myself to not fuck up my phone(because, well, it's a phone and not a computer. Hours of downtime I'd get by fiddling around isn't acceptable for me here). I don't trust the carriers or Microsoft.
So my only choice is iOS.
you mean a whole host of different phones built by a whole host of different OEMs finally caught up to one OEM?
Seriously?
Android's a joke.
he said "obvious" not, "Shattered old relic from times long past and gone by."
After years and years of having my UK brethren taunt me for lousy wireless, I get to see this.
HA HA.
I wonder if O2 or any other GSM provider in the UK is going to follow suit.
If Doctor Who has taught me anything, don't drink the Martian water. Not with out an appropriate water filter of course.
You're absolutely right, it was bullshit. But it's hard to be rational when this is what you hear every day, day in and day out from those around you.
There's still a chance I could be right, initially, that this guy was a tea party wingnut, but the odds of it are slim.
I spent the last election cycle hearing about 2nd Amendment remedies and how we've got to keep the members of congress in our crosshairs.
Sorry for jumping to conclusions but, quite frankly the last election cycle made me a little you know, jumpy.