When I was a kid, I was taught that the Government existed, in America, as a reflection of the people, and the Constitution and Bill of Rights were a reflection of those goals.
If the Government is malevolent, cruel, vile, and evil, maybe that's not the Government's fault.
Of course not. I'm saying we should have gone much much further.
Basically your problem is is that we're not extending the civil rights movement to include the brown people we're currently bombing.
Which is kind of crap. I'm not saying that Iraqis deserve it or that we should feel like we're entitled to use military force whenever(I'm along your lines on this), but the model you suggest that unless we achieve absolute egalitarianism both domestically and in foreign contexts, everything we do is worthless. Which is bullshitting all over any progress made because it's not a perfect solution. That's bullshit because you're not seeing the value in the progress we have made. Those of us who are applauding the DADT repeal are still pushing for more perfect solutions. Perfection doesn't just rise out of the ether, especially where Congress is concerned. This is what I have a problem with.
Plus your description of the mechanisms used to oppress and keep populations down ignores the reality of how oppression and marginalization work, which isn't nearly that simple.
The comment above is clearly written in a way that will get a rise out of people, but it makes a legitimate point. Insofar as the LGBTQ civil rights struggle is one rooted in justice and equal rights, the DADT repeal strategy has left a lot of us scratching our heads. Any civil rights struggle which fits in a broader context would necessarily come to the same conclusions that the 60s/70s racial civil rights struggle in the US did: the oppression of classes within the domestic population is part of the same system of oppression waging imperial war elsewhere, and that the internal oppression is used as a means of social control in order to divide people who might otherwise unite to stop the broader system of oppression.
If in less than a year, the flagship changes from Nexus One to Nexus S, the whole fucking ecosystem has fucking -problems-.
I'll reiterate a point John Gruber made. If the selling point of the Nexus S, if the big selling point behind the nexus S is no crapware and a stock OS, then the whole thing has problems.
What happened to the Nexus One? is it even getting Gingerbread?
you describe the same shitty, paranoid chomskyite worldview that tends to exist at the most extreme end of the liberal spectrum espouse.
You stated elsewhere in this thread you basically think that the Government uses the same mechanisms of oppression to oppress lower classes as they do to go to war and that allowing the GLB community to serve in the military isn't equal rights due to, in your view, imperialism in the broad scope of American foreign policy?
Except, they're not. And it's paranoid. It also has a strong whiff of a conspiracy to hold minority populations down. You also implicitly dismiss any sort of skeptical notion that negligence on the Government's part would possibly be a part of any societal ignorance as to what they're doing. You also imply that the mechanisms of injustice and prejudice are being directly manipulated by the Government to further it's goals, again with out any possibility that other mechanisms could be at work.
All i'm asking you for is, do you have any solid evidence that what you're saying is true?
Or maybe the fact that nearly anything of substance(and a lot of things that aren't) are getting filibustered regularly in a political atmosphere that's ever more hostile to reason and rational thinking in the name of short term political gains?
I can't even begin to comprehend the political calculus if the healthcare reform bill would've been possible if the democrats started from a stronger point of view.
There was posted a long list of accomplishments by Barack Obama in the last two years.
Don't give me this bullpucky that Democrats can run on their accomplishments, because it's not that simple. Russ Feingold? He ran on those accomplishments. and lost.
On the other hand though, Blanche Lincoln? Ran away from those accomplishments and still lost.
The political arena these days is a place where common wisdom goes to die. It's going to be a very weird few years.
I'm tired of this phony intellectualistic post-modern conspiracy theory.
I am so fucking tired of it.
With out quoting Chomsky or with out resorting to, "The lack of proof IS THE proof of a conspiracy!" can you prove that there is a systematic oppression of minorities and gays that's spanned 5 decades since the 60's with a consistent message that also removes any doubt or skepticism anyone might have that this might be instead the result of short sighted and ignorant thinking?
I agree, shit SUCKS for the lower classes and it's largely because of moves by the moneyed elites who have worked to screw the poor; but to say that there's an active oppression going on really does disservice to what actual systematic oppression is. Given the fact that upward social mobility is a reality(yes, social upward mobility is absolutely slim, and the mechanisms that would allow it are so fucking restrictive it's not even funny), you're pretty dead wrong and dangerous. You ignore real change and wish to instill apathy until you get your absolute way. The reality is, the world is way more complex than you present it to be and that's incredibly dangerous.
Christ. Unless you can show documents or other actual evidence proving your conspiracy theory, shut up. There is no conspiracy to oppress the lower class; the rich aren't nearly that smart.
No, this isn't hetero-splainin' or what have you, I'm bi, and I've got friends who are GLB(T is still not covered under this repeal; hopefully soon) and serving. They serve because they love the service.
I'm not sure what the threshold is, but, at some point if you're using grey market suppliers to buy products you're going to sell, you're probably violating tariff laws and other importation laws. This isn't just true for watches. It's also true for books, cars, and even cigarettes.
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Someone, please add one!
It is a moral imperative!
The reality of the story is that if he weren't so paranoid and kept his phone on, he wouldn't be in this mess.
When I was a kid, I was taught that the Government existed, in America, as a reflection of the people, and the Constitution and Bill of Rights were a reflection of those goals.
If the Government is malevolent, cruel, vile, and evil, maybe that's not the Government's fault.
I noticed they did this at fry's. Probably for this reason alone.
"Dear Gaddafi, I sent you some EMAILS. I hope you get them."
-- President Sarah Palin.
usually I'll fanboy for Sony, but...
Yeah, after SW:G and EQ2...
God I almost feel like setting fire to my PS3 adn Bluray player.
Of course not. I'm saying we should have gone much much further.
Basically your problem is is that we're not extending the civil rights movement to include the brown people we're currently bombing.
Which is kind of crap. I'm not saying that Iraqis deserve it or that we should feel like we're entitled to use military force whenever(I'm along your lines on this), but the model you suggest that unless we achieve absolute egalitarianism both domestically and in foreign contexts, everything we do is worthless. Which is bullshitting all over any progress made because it's not a perfect solution. That's bullshit because you're not seeing the value in the progress we have made. Those of us who are applauding the DADT repeal are still pushing for more perfect solutions. Perfection doesn't just rise out of the ether, especially where Congress is concerned. This is what I have a problem with.
Plus your description of the mechanisms used to oppress and keep populations down ignores the reality of how oppression and marginalization work, which isn't nearly that simple.
The Philippines threw the US out in the early 1990's.
I was there right as they were throwing everyone out.
We haven't invaded, and we're still allies.
Are you saying we shouldn't have bothered with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 at all?
Are you seriously suggesting that GLBT people shouldn't serve their country? What about conservagays and lesbolibertarians?
The comment above is clearly written in a way that will get a rise out of people, but it makes a legitimate point. Insofar as the LGBTQ civil rights struggle is one rooted in justice and equal rights, the DADT repeal strategy has left a lot of us scratching our heads. Any civil rights struggle which fits in a broader context would necessarily come to the same conclusions that the 60s/70s racial civil rights struggle in the US did: the oppression of classes within the domestic population is part of the same system of oppression waging imperial war elsewhere, and that the internal oppression is used as a means of social control in order to divide people who might otherwise unite to stop the broader system of oppression.
Prove it.
That was back in November.
It's the middle of December.
"Any day now?"
This isn't true either. if the media had it's way, It wouldn't have been McCain/Obama, it would've been either Romney/Clinton or Huckabee/Clinton.
Clinton was a huge media darling during the '08 campaign. Don't even get me started on the '10 elections.
If in less than a year, the flagship changes from Nexus One to Nexus S, the whole fucking ecosystem has fucking -problems-.
I'll reiterate a point John Gruber made. If the selling point of the Nexus S, if the big selling point behind the nexus S is no crapware and a stock OS, then the whole thing has problems.
What happened to the Nexus One? is it even getting Gingerbread?
No, just deeply federalist.
you describe the same shitty, paranoid chomskyite worldview that tends to exist at the most extreme end of the liberal spectrum espouse.
You stated elsewhere in this thread you basically think that the Government uses the same mechanisms of oppression to oppress lower classes as they do to go to war and that allowing the GLB community to serve in the military isn't equal rights due to, in your view, imperialism in the broad scope of American foreign policy?
Except, they're not. And it's paranoid. It also has a strong whiff of a conspiracy to hold minority populations down. You also implicitly dismiss any sort of skeptical notion that negligence on the Government's part would possibly be a part of any societal ignorance as to what they're doing. You also imply that the mechanisms of injustice and prejudice are being directly manipulated by the Government to further it's goals, again with out any possibility that other mechanisms could be at work.
All i'm asking you for is, do you have any solid evidence that what you're saying is true?
Lame?
Or maybe the fact that nearly anything of substance(and a lot of things that aren't) are getting filibustered regularly in a political atmosphere that's ever more hostile to reason and rational thinking in the name of short term political gains?
I can't even begin to comprehend the political calculus if the healthcare reform bill would've been possible if the democrats started from a stronger point of view.
There was posted a long list of accomplishments by Barack Obama in the last two years.
Don't give me this bullpucky that Democrats can run on their accomplishments, because it's not that simple. Russ Feingold? He ran on those accomplishments. and lost.
On the other hand though, Blanche Lincoln? Ran away from those accomplishments and still lost.
The political arena these days is a place where common wisdom goes to die. It's going to be a very weird few years.
I am coming to the view that we would be better off globally with smaller countries and more power given to local authorities.
Since about the middle of the Bush administration, I've come to the conclusion that we need decent and competent people in power.
Let's assume for a moment that yes, obtuse useless boobs vastly outnumber anyone with an ounce of brain power.
Decentalizing power will mean that more morons will be running things and those who should be running things are less able to do what's right.
Fuck that noise.
oh SHUT UP.
I'm tired of this phony intellectualistic post-modern conspiracy theory.
I am so fucking tired of it.
With out quoting Chomsky or with out resorting to, "The lack of proof IS THE proof of a conspiracy!" can you prove that there is a systematic oppression of minorities and gays that's spanned 5 decades since the 60's with a consistent message that also removes any doubt or skepticism anyone might have that this might be instead the result of short sighted and ignorant thinking?
I agree, shit SUCKS for the lower classes and it's largely because of moves by the moneyed elites who have worked to screw the poor; but to say that there's an active oppression going on really does disservice to what actual systematic oppression is. Given the fact that upward social mobility is a reality(yes, social upward mobility is absolutely slim, and the mechanisms that would allow it are so fucking restrictive it's not even funny), you're pretty dead wrong and dangerous. You ignore real change and wish to instill apathy until you get your absolute way. The reality is, the world is way more complex than you present it to be and that's incredibly dangerous.
Christ. Unless you can show documents or other actual evidence proving your conspiracy theory, shut up. There is no conspiracy to oppress the lower class; the rich aren't nearly that smart.
No, this isn't hetero-splainin' or what have you, I'm bi, and I've got friends who are GLB(T is still not covered under this repeal; hopefully soon) and serving. They serve because they love the service.
PMs are like PR, except on a micro level.
A good one will stay behind the scenes, make YOU look good while their bosses are watching in on whatever trickery you're doing.
Actually, no you can't.
I'm not sure what the threshold is, but, at some point if you're using grey market suppliers to buy products you're going to sell, you're probably violating tariff laws and other importation laws. This isn't just true for watches. It's also true for books, cars, and even cigarettes.
whoosh.
Shoes? Shoe boxes? Feet?
yeah.
whooooosh.
I wish that Wendy Carlos had done some work on the sound track. Seeing as how she's 71 now though, I don't think that was possible.
I am sick and fucking tired about hearing about "conspiracies."
No, there is NOT a conspiracy to keep down information. There is NO conspiracy to oppress people.
Best explained by ignorance, bigotry, and the general confusion of life.
Conspiracy? feh. Incompetence. short sighted incompetence.
4chan's /b/ and anons are like, a bouncy ball, a ball that is capable of making you happy, and be fun.
Lesson:
Do not taunt happy fun ball.
What the hell is it about Wikileaks that brings out the nutbag libertarians?