Whatever contract the publisher had with the plagiarist is meaningless as copyright defense. Sure they could turn around and sue the plagiarist for contract violation, but they still violated copyright and you could still sue them. Its just unlikely they would be found to have willingly done it so damages would be low.
I would still do it however. Let them put their attack dogs against the plagiarist. In fact you could sue them both for violating copyright laws and the plagiarist would have willingly done it.
Obviously IANAL and NVP (not victim of plagiarism).
Understanding the precise mechanism of the primary recognition stage of genetic recombination may shed light on how to avoid or minimise recombination errors in evolution
Hey it's great that some interesting study is being done, but really there's no need to make far reaching wild guesses as to why it's important. Let the achievement stand on it's own merits.
I'd like to add that the material in question is speech and it's digital which means it's a virtual good and you cannot deprive the original author of it by making copies therefore it cannot be theft and no one can be a thief. At most it's copyright infringement. It's not even plagiarism for goodness sakes. And that's if you assume that anything improper had taken place... which it didn't!
How do you determine what is generally accepted? Do you count everyone or just the people who have actually looked into the evidence? I work in biotech for a company that makes vaccines and blood products. Most people who work with vaccines are generally very ill-informed about the history, the long-term ramifications of certain current vaccines and what a real risk-benefit analysis looks like. Their only interest and full time goal is to get their products approved by the FDA and out on the market, even if their own products are dubious at best.
Do you think there's any incentive for the multi-billion dollar industry to look for evidence that it's own products are in some cases worthless in others harmful? That's not going to happen anytime soon.
Here's an example of someone who has tried the complicated task of judging the evidence: Polio, smallpox presentation
Is it reasonable to have a 'can do no wrong' view of any complex medicine? Because of manufacturing practices, lack of knowledge at the very start and refusal to disclose because of the consequence after; the vaccine industry infected millions of people with cancer causing viruses like S40 and others. Their manufacturing techniques were horrible, leaving a veritable soup of viruses and all to push vaccines that had no positive health benefits in the great majority of use cases after a simple risk-benefit analysis.
Please ignore the horrible re-editing of this PBS documentary but it is the best Example I found.
Oh and as a last point, vaccination by definition can't be effective (you state there's ample evidence of it). Only immunization can be effective and those are not synonyms. Sometimes it takes multiple vaccinations to produce any immunization.
Unfortunately these numbers don't reflect the bastardization they've introduced into the game. I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of subscribers who actually play the game is much lower now than a year ago. I'm one of those players. The only reason I haven't canceled my account is that the market is a one trick pony. There are no decent alternatives to Warcraft. If they have so many subscribers why are most realms turning into empty wastelands?
The more they take content and put it into instances, both pve and pvp; the more it becomes a pointless game to play. Why play a Mmorpg which has turned into an Orpg? Does it matter that there can be 2k people on your server when you only ever see a dozen or so every night because the game is all instanced?
Then there's the cottage cheese-y-ness they've done with pvp. It used to take some skill, quick thinking and some organization. Now with resilience , other damage mitigation and overpowered healing that can keep anyone alive things like arena matches turn into long grind fests. The outcome of pvp encounters used to be maybe 50% skill and preparation, 20% luck and 30% gear and class make-up. With all of the changes they've introduced this past year, your typical arena match is determined by 10% skill and preparation, 5% luck, 85% gear and class make-up. Doesn't that sound exhilarating kids?
This happens with a lot of mmorpgs. They are released in a form that is slightly buggy and end up with all of these unplanned and unforeseen novelties in terms of gameplay, strategy, interaction. Then after the corporation that develops it spends a few years tightening the cogs and getting RID of the unplanned and unforseen elements as well as anything that gets complained about by the userbase, voila! You end up with a bland, boring game no one plays anymore.
I was a member of a guild with over 100 people and kept in touch with a former guild of 200. They've both dried up and shrivelled out of existence because every patch slowly turned the game more and more bland. Both 'realms' I used to frequent have died horrible deaths and the main cities are ghost towns.
Bring back the wild west. Bring back the buggy, unforseen, wild, insulting, violent mess that was Ultima Online back in the early years. There were no cookie cutter classes. There was gambling, extortion, confidence tricksters, scammers, spammers, raiders, looters, exploiters, thieves, honorable and dishonorable fighters and gangs. There was somewhat of a safety zone in towns. There were no factions, everyone and everything was fair game. There was no one way to play the game, I'm sure people have so many interesting stories about how they or friends played. I had a friend who liked to spend his time stealing useless items. He was a weird looking fellow and a clepto. He also enjoyed running around town naked. He would yell at the NPCs and get angry at the guards when they caught him and killed him. That was his take of the game.
If I wanted to play around in a world where everything gets regulated and restrained and anything that causes people to whine gets the axe I would... Not go pay $50 bucks + $15 per month to do it on a computer, there's plenty of it in a non-virtual world.
The only reason WOW hasn't collapsed like a house of soggy cards is that there is still an influx of new players and the game does have a great unique feel with LOTS of art and content to discover as you level. But once you're done leveling, the game is over.
In reference to your youtube video.
Just for your information, smallpox was not eradicated by vaccination. It was already on it's way out and in great decline before vaccination, which failed by the way at first to have any impact. It was only when the WHO started quarantine rules of villagers where smallpox was found that a decline was seen.
In fact many vaccines like smallpox and polio actually spread much more disease than they ever cured. It's very interesting to see the somewhat mythical success vaccination has in people's minds compared to what actual data suggest.
This is easy, write down what you think he said over the phone then send him an email which says: Is this what you want me to do?
Just keep the meeting minutes yourself and get him to sign off on them.
I mean really -- "gun fetishists who really just want to shoot someone without getting caught"
Lovely.
Maybe you should realize that the second amendment is in our constitution for protection from the government, as in fact is the purpose of the entire document. To Free the people from tyranny and slavery. Tyranny is the norm of thousands of years of abuse on this earth. Freedom is the new, odd occurrence. The Constitution was written by people who had experience with tyranny, with blanket warrants, no due process, abuse of power and being enslaved. They realized that the opportunity was there for a new experiment, one where the self evident rights of man were protected by legislation.
You're nothing but an astroturfing shill and a gatekeeper. You're here to push the agenda of those who enslave us. Just realize that we will fight back and people like you will be first against the wall. You have chosen an untenable position: You lose either way.
For those of you who do want to wake up, and don't want to listen to this dream killing life drain parent poster, I suggest you start your journey with a motivated speaker, one who can talk about the issues with cover to cover knowledge of the entire US criminal code and historical view of civil liberties and Freedom in our country: Judge Andrew Napolitano.
Remember: It's easy to spot a shill for social control and enslavement, think self empowerment, think Freedom, realize that we are all incredibly powerful beings who have capacity for enormous and drastic change to all around us.
When you find out along your journey that you are being enslaved, throw out your chains, stand up and be heard. Make this world your own and the truth will set you free.
If you want a real shock to the system. A dose of truth that will make your head spin, watch the excellent Zeitgeist Movie.
How about this. Let's say that you cannot run a simulation completing in O(1) as he proposes. Would it then not be logical to assume only two choices remain?
It's not VR
It is VR, but you are being manipulated
Thus reducing this line of thinking to only two possible options. IE. progress has been made in canceling out other possibilities. Whether it answers the final question or not, it furthers our understanding and is worth contemplating. Yes?
If you really want an answer to your question: why, then you should look for the person at google who makes those decisions and ask them. No one else can answer for those in power for the decisions that they make. And decisions almost always come down to one man. Who is the man in charge?
I actually like some of the Microsoft hardware. Their mice are great, their routers are great (the ones I have personally purchased, ie not many). In fact I wish they would just quit everything else and focus on their only good products, mice and routers.
You seem to be confused. One could easily slaughter a great many cows in the US and keep their excrement out of the product. It would just cost more.
Also, there are treatments that kill 100% of e.coli, like radiation for example. The reason they are not allowed is not safety but because the beef industry would just use it as an excuses to get away with even cheaper methods of slaughter which leave even more excrement in your beef since even pure excrement can be consumed if properly irradiated.
It's a tough choice: make food safer by irradiation but eat more excrement.
I graduated in '02, back then most of these drugs were taken for pleasure.
I have friends who graduated in '04. In the two year timespan they described a very different situation. Already a shift had occurred where you can literally hear sniffing of all kinds in the university library of people taking amphetamines. Nasal consumption is more direct so a lot of people just snort.
By my friends' estimates greater than 90% of the students in my old uni's library were on these amphetamine-like compounds to study before their exams or write a big paper. A lot of them describe a feeling that they can no longer study well without taking them and are somewhat dependent.
Who knows where this will lead? The only thing I know is that there are side effects and people are kidding themselves if they think they can get away with increased performance and decreased need for sleep in any long term way. These are not new drugs, they have been around for a long time and they were given to soldiers of every faction in WW2; Germans, Americans, Japanese etc. Furthermore, a lot of people think they contributed to the Japanese who were willing to kamikaze in their planes. I'm not sure if being high as a kite on amphetamine helps, but I would suspect it does. Hitler himself used to get daily amphetamine cocktail injections.
Nevertheless I do believe universities are the place where most of this use is currently taking place. But how much of a new phenomenon is it? There have always been people who think getting high on cocaine gave them the same benefits, didn't wall street run on cocaine in the 80's? And cocaine has been around a shitlong time. So have amphetamines. What's changed? I think the factor is that they're now prescribed en masse to kids who have 'ADD' and it filtered into the uni populous this way.
Oh that's right... I forgot whining and crying about "teh police state" is so much more important and helpful than supporting people, like this judge in Vermont, that actually stand up for individual liberties. Sorry man, really.
Excuse me? So you first misread my post (you missed a period), then you accuse me of whining and crying when I'm dead serious about a serious topic, then you put words in my mouth with a misspelled quote I did not say and top it all off by being disingenuous and you get moderated insightful? I guess that's just what you can expect on slashdot, accuse people of crying and whining and you get modded up.
...Ms. Harman's proposal includes an absurd attack on the Internet, criticizing it for providing Americans with "access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda," and legalizes an insidious infiltration of targeted organizations. The misnamed "Center of Excellence," which would function after the commission is disbanded in 18 months, gives the semblance of intellectual research to what is otherwise the suppression of dissent...
...While Ms. Harman denies that her proposal creates "thought police," it defines "homegrown terrorism" as "planned" or "threatened" use of force to coerce the government or the people in the promotion of "political or social objectives." That means that no force need actually have occurred as long as the government charges that the individual or group thought about doing it.
Any social or economic reform is fair game. Have a march of 100 or 100,000 people to demand a reform - amnesty for illegal immigrants or overturning Roe v. Wade - and someone can perceive that to be a use of force to intimidate the people, courts or government.
The bill defines "violent radicalization" as promoting an "extremist belief system." But American governments, state and national, have a long history of interpreting radical "belief systems" as inevitably leading to violence to facilitate change.
Examples of the resulting crackdowns on such protests include the conviction and execution of anarchists tied to Chicago's 1886 Haymarket Riot. Hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee for several decades during the Cold War and the solo hearings by a member of that committee's Senate counterpart, Joseph McCarthy, demonstrate the dangers inherent in Ms. Harman's legislation...
Madame Speaker, I regret that I was unavoidably out of town on October 23, 2007, when a vote was taken on HR 1955, the Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. Had I been able to vote, I would have voted against this misguided and dangerous piece of legislation. This legislation focuses the weight of the US government inward toward its own citizens under the guise of protecting us against "violent radicalization."
I would like to note that this legislation was brought to the floor for a vote under suspension of regular order. These so-called "suspension" bills are meant to be non-controversial, thereby negating the need for the more complete and open debate allowed under regular order. It is difficult for me to believe that none of my colleagues in Congress view HR 1955, with its troubling civil liberties implications, as "non-controversial."
There are many causes for concern in HR 1955. The legislation specifically singles out the Internet for "facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process" in the United States. Such language may well be the first step toward US government regulation of what we are allowed to access on the Internet. Are we, for our own good, to be subjected to the kind of governmental control of the Internet that we see in unfree societies? This bill certainly sets us on that course.
This seems to be an unwise and dangerous solution in search of a real problem. Previous acts of ideologically-motivated violence, though rare, have been resolved successfully using law enforcement techniques, existing laws against violence, and our court system. Even if there were a surge of "violent radicalization" -- a claim for which there is no evidence -- there is no reason to believe that our criminal justice system is so flawed and weak as to be incapable of trying and punishing those who perpetrate violent acts.
This legislation will set up a new government bureaucracy to monitor and further study the as-yet undemonstrated pressing problem of homegrown terrorism and radicalization. It will no doubt prove to be another bureaucracy that artificially inflates problems so as to guarantee its future existence and funding. But it may do so at great further expense to our civil liberties. What disturbs me most about this legislation is that it leaves the door wide open for the broadest definition of what constitutes "radicalization." Could otherwise non-violent anti-tax, antiwar, or anti-abortion groups fall under the watchful eye of this new government commission? Assurances otherwise in this legislation are unconvincing.
In addition, this legislation will create a Department of Homeland Security-established university-based body to further study radicalization and to "contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism." I wonder whether this is really a legitimate role for institutes of higher learning in a free society.
Legislation such as this demands heavy-handed governmental action against American citizens where no crime has been committed. It is yet another attack on our Constitutionally-protected civil liberties. It is my sincere hope that we will reject such approaches to security, which will fail at their stated goal at a great cost to our way of life.
It's a sad sad day in America that the truth of the 5th ammendment and the constitution itself is even called into question in this way. Thanks to the judge who supported the constitution, unfortunately there are laws shredding it up as we read this news.
Ever heard of Push Polling? That's where people call your house under the guise of conducting a poll and then feeds you information with leading questions designed to shape your opinion on a topic instead of assessing it.
This slashdot article seems to be a mix of push polling and advertisement on slashdot.
Why did the submitter word his "Question" in such an obvious way to make wikipedia come off looking so well?
Now it has secret overlords and secret mailing lists.
Anyone notice lately less and less pages can be edited?
How long until the same people who puppet the US mainstream media have total control?
Without TOTAL transparency wikipedia is nothing but a half-rotten corpse.
P.S. Reductio ad Hitlerum doesn't help your argument.
I guess you didn't read my post or any of the information I linked.
If you had you would have realized I am talking about early 1930's Germany for the most part. Germany was a parliamentary democracy, fairly liberal and very similar to the U.S. today. Way before Hitler and before the National Socialist party was anything but an outsider. You could easily have the conversation and compare it to ANY fascist state that used to be a democracy and closed in on itself; Italy in the 20's, Russia in the 30's, East Germany in the 50's etc.
Since you mention the Constitution, there are laws being passed as we speak (already passed this year and proposed right now) that dismantle and subvert the constitution.
But as a matter of fact, there are direct links between Hitler, Hitler's financier and Prescott Bush, our current president's grandfather. Prescott Bush was involved in a coup attempt in the U.S. to overthrow FDR. The attempted coup was financed by the same man who financed Hitler. Congressional hearings at the time have evidence of this. BBC Reference
Furthermore, the movement within the U.S. government has directly used tactics, imagery, phrases and ideas from fascist Germany in current times and it's directly related to the things that I'm talking about.
I call Bullshit on your pompous invocation of Godwin's law and ask that you at least dig around a bit before responding.
PODCASTof a radio interview the Alex Jones show for further reference.
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Whatever contract the publisher had with the plagiarist is meaningless as copyright defense. Sure they could turn around and sue the plagiarist for contract violation, but they still violated copyright and you could still sue them. Its just unlikely they would be found to have willingly done it so damages would be low.
I would still do it however. Let them put their attack dogs against the plagiarist. In fact you could sue them both for violating copyright laws and the plagiarist would have willingly done it.
Obviously IANAL and NVP (not victim of plagiarism).
From TFS:
Hey it's great that some interesting study is being done, but really there's no need to make far reaching wild guesses as to why it's important. Let the achievement stand on it's own merits.
+1 to that
I'd like to add that the material in question is speech and it's digital which means it's a virtual good and you cannot deprive the original author of it by making copies therefore it cannot be theft and no one can be a thief. At most it's copyright infringement. It's not even plagiarism for goodness sakes. And that's if you assume that anything improper had taken place... which it didn't!
see my other reply in this thread.
Do you think there's any incentive for the multi-billion dollar industry to look for evidence that it's own products are in some cases worthless in others harmful? That's not going to happen anytime soon.
Here's an example of someone who has tried the complicated task of judging the evidence:
Polio, smallpox presentation
Is it reasonable to have a 'can do no wrong' view of any complex medicine? Because of manufacturing practices, lack of knowledge at the very start and refusal to disclose because of the consequence after; the vaccine industry infected millions of people with cancer causing viruses like S40 and others. Their manufacturing techniques were horrible, leaving a veritable soup of viruses and all to push vaccines that had no positive health benefits in the great majority of use cases after a simple risk-benefit analysis.
Please ignore the horrible re-editing of this PBS documentary but it is the best Example I found.
Oh and as a last point, vaccination by definition can't be effective (you state there's ample evidence of it). Only immunization can be effective and those are not synonyms. Sometimes it takes multiple vaccinations to produce any immunization.
Unfortunately these numbers don't reflect the bastardization they've introduced into the game. I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of subscribers who actually play the game is much lower now than a year ago. I'm one of those players. The only reason I haven't canceled my account is that the market is a one trick pony. There are no decent alternatives to Warcraft. If they have so many subscribers why are most realms turning into empty wastelands?
The more they take content and put it into instances, both pve and pvp; the more it becomes a pointless game to play. Why play a Mmorpg which has turned into an Orpg? Does it matter that there can be 2k people on your server when you only ever see a dozen or so every night because the game is all instanced?
Then there's the cottage cheese-y-ness they've done with pvp. It used to take some skill, quick thinking and some organization. Now with resilience , other damage mitigation and overpowered healing that can keep anyone alive things like arena matches turn into long grind fests. The outcome of pvp encounters used to be maybe 50% skill and preparation, 20% luck and 30% gear and class make-up. With all of the changes they've introduced this past year, your typical arena match is determined by 10% skill and preparation, 5% luck, 85% gear and class make-up. Doesn't that sound exhilarating kids?
This happens with a lot of mmorpgs. They are released in a form that is slightly buggy and end up with all of these unplanned and unforeseen novelties in terms of gameplay, strategy, interaction. Then after the corporation that develops it spends a few years tightening the cogs and getting RID of the unplanned and unforseen elements as well as anything that gets complained about by the userbase, voila! You end up with a bland, boring game no one plays anymore.
I was a member of a guild with over 100 people and kept in touch with a former guild of 200. They've both dried up and shrivelled out of existence because every patch slowly turned the game more and more bland. Both 'realms' I used to frequent have died horrible deaths and the main cities are ghost towns.
Bring back the wild west. Bring back the buggy, unforseen, wild, insulting, violent mess that was Ultima Online back in the early years. There were no cookie cutter classes. There was gambling, extortion, confidence tricksters, scammers, spammers, raiders, looters, exploiters, thieves, honorable and dishonorable fighters and gangs. There was somewhat of a safety zone in towns. There were no factions, everyone and everything was fair game. There was no one way to play the game, I'm sure people have so many interesting stories about how they or friends played. I had a friend who liked to spend his time stealing useless items. He was a weird looking fellow and a clepto. He also enjoyed running around town naked. He would yell at the NPCs and get angry at the guards when they caught him and killed him. That was his take of the game.
If I wanted to play around in a world where everything gets regulated and restrained and anything that causes people to whine gets the axe I would... Not go pay $50 bucks + $15 per month to do it on a computer, there's plenty of it in a non-virtual world.
The only reason WOW hasn't collapsed like a house of soggy cards is that there is still an influx of new players and the game does have a great unique feel with LOTS of art and content to discover as you level. But once you're done leveling, the game is over.
In reference to your youtube video.
Just for your information, smallpox was not eradicated by vaccination. It was already on it's way out and in great decline before vaccination, which failed by the way at first to have any impact. It was only when the WHO started quarantine rules of villagers where smallpox was found that a decline was seen.
In fact many vaccines like smallpox and polio actually spread much more disease than they ever cured. It's very interesting to see the somewhat mythical success vaccination has in people's minds compared to what actual data suggest.
This is easy, write down what you think he said over the phone then send him an email which says: Is this what you want me to do?
Just keep the meeting minutes yourself and get him to sign off on them.
FYI: The daily kos is a front for the CIA.
The truth will set you free.
I love your straw man.
I mean really -- "gun fetishists who really just want to shoot someone without getting caught"
Lovely.
Maybe you should realize that the second amendment is in our constitution for protection from the government, as in fact is the purpose of the entire document. To Free the people from tyranny and slavery. Tyranny is the norm of thousands of years of abuse on this earth. Freedom is the new, odd occurrence. The Constitution was written by people who had experience with tyranny, with blanket warrants, no due process, abuse of power and being enslaved. They realized that the opportunity was there for a new experiment, one where the self evident rights of man were protected by legislation.
You're nothing but an astroturfing shill and a gatekeeper. You're here to push the agenda of those who enslave us. Just realize that we will fight back and people like you will be first against the wall. You have chosen an untenable position: You lose either way.
For those of you who do want to wake up, and don't want to listen to this dream killing life drain parent poster, I suggest you start your journey with a motivated speaker, one who can talk about the issues with cover to cover knowledge of the entire US criminal code and historical view of civil liberties and Freedom in our country: Judge Andrew Napolitano.
Remember: It's easy to spot a shill for social control and enslavement, think self empowerment, think Freedom, realize that we are all incredibly powerful beings who have capacity for enormous and drastic change to all around us.
When you find out along your journey that you are being enslaved, throw out your chains, stand up and be heard. Make this world your own and the truth will set you free.
If you want a real shock to the system. A dose of truth that will make your head spin, watch the excellent Zeitgeist Movie.
If you really want to know there are places you can go to start finding out.
How about this. Let's say that you cannot run a simulation completing in O(1) as he proposes. Would it then not be logical to assume only two choices remain?
Thus reducing this line of thinking to only two possible options. IE. progress has been made in canceling out other possibilities. Whether it answers the final question or not, it furthers our understanding and is worth contemplating. Yes?
If you really want an answer to your question: why, then you should look for the person at google who makes those decisions and ask them. No one else can answer for those in power for the decisions that they make. And decisions almost always come down to one man. Who is the man in charge?
I actually like some of the Microsoft hardware. Their mice are great, their routers are great (the ones I have personally purchased, ie not many). In fact I wish they would just quit everything else and focus on their only good products, mice and routers.
You seem to be confused. One could easily slaughter a great many cows in the US and keep their excrement out of the product. It would just cost more.
Also, there are treatments that kill 100% of e.coli, like radiation for example. The reason they are not allowed is not safety but because the beef industry would just use it as an excuses to get away with even cheaper methods of slaughter which leave even more excrement in your beef since even pure excrement can be consumed if properly irradiated.
It's a tough choice: make food safer by irradiation but eat more excrement.
I graduated in '02, back then most of these drugs were taken for pleasure.
I have friends who graduated in '04. In the two year timespan they described a very different situation. Already a shift had occurred where you can literally hear sniffing of all kinds in the university library of people taking amphetamines. Nasal consumption is more direct so a lot of people just snort.
By my friends' estimates greater than 90% of the students in my old uni's library were on these amphetamine-like compounds to study before their exams or write a big paper. A lot of them describe a feeling that they can no longer study well without taking them and are somewhat dependent.
Who knows where this will lead? The only thing I know is that there are side effects and people are kidding themselves if they think they can get away with increased performance and decreased need for sleep in any long term way. These are not new drugs, they have been around for a long time and they were given to soldiers of every faction in WW2; Germans, Americans, Japanese etc. Furthermore, a lot of people think they contributed to the Japanese who were willing to kamikaze in their planes. I'm not sure if being high as a kite on amphetamine helps, but I would suspect it does. Hitler himself used to get daily amphetamine cocktail injections.
Nevertheless I do believe universities are the place where most of this use is currently taking place. But how much of a new phenomenon is it? There have always been people who think getting high on cocaine gave them the same benefits, didn't wall street run on cocaine in the 80's? And cocaine has been around a shitlong time. So have amphetamines. What's changed? I think the factor is that they're now prescribed en masse to kids who have 'ADD' and it filtered into the uni populous this way.
Don't forget:
All of these issues are related and inseparable.
Excuse me? So you first misread my post (you missed a period), then you accuse me of whining and crying when I'm dead serious about a serious topic, then you put words in my mouth with a misspelled quote I did not say and top it all off by being disingenuous and you get moderated insightful? I guess that's just what you can expect on slashdot, accuse people of crying and whining and you get modded up.
Here is a baltimore sun story:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.thoughtpolice19nov19,0,2384977.story
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr120507h.htm
Remarks on Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, HR 1955
5 December 2007
Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.
Madame Speaker, I regret that I was unavoidably out of town on October 23, 2007, when a vote was taken on HR 1955, the Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. Had I been able to vote, I would have voted against this misguided and dangerous piece of legislation. This legislation focuses the weight of the US government inward toward its own citizens under the guise of protecting us against "violent radicalization."
I would like to note that this legislation was brought to the floor for a vote under suspension of regular order. These so-called "suspension" bills are meant to be non-controversial, thereby negating the need for the more complete and open debate allowed under regular order. It is difficult for me to believe that none of my colleagues in Congress view HR 1955, with its troubling civil liberties implications, as "non-controversial."
There are many causes for concern in HR 1955. The legislation specifically singles out the Internet for "facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process" in the United States. Such language may well be the first step toward US government regulation of what we are allowed to access on the Internet. Are we, for our own good, to be subjected to the kind of governmental control of the Internet that we see in unfree societies? This bill certainly sets us on that course.
This seems to be an unwise and dangerous solution in search of a real problem. Previous acts of ideologically-motivated violence, though rare, have been resolved successfully using law enforcement techniques, existing laws against violence, and our court system. Even if there were a surge of "violent radicalization" -- a claim for which there is no evidence -- there is no reason to believe that our criminal justice system is so flawed and weak as to be incapable of trying and punishing those who perpetrate violent acts.
This legislation will set up a new government bureaucracy to monitor and further study the as-yet undemonstrated pressing problem of homegrown terrorism and radicalization. It will no doubt prove to be another bureaucracy that artificially inflates problems so as to guarantee its future existence and funding. But it may do so at great further expense to our civil liberties. What disturbs me most about this legislation is that it leaves the door wide open for the broadest definition of what constitutes "radicalization." Could otherwise non-violent anti-tax, antiwar, or anti-abortion groups fall under the watchful eye of this new government commission? Assurances otherwise in this legislation are unconvincing.
In addition, this legislation will create a Department of Homeland Security-established university-based body to further study radicalization and to "contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism." I wonder whether this is really a legitimate role for institutes of higher learning in a free society.
Legislation such as this demands heavy-handed governmental action against American citizens where no crime has been committed. It is yet another attack on our Constitutionally-protected civil liberties. It is my sincere hope that we will reject such approaches to security, which will fail at their stated goal at a great cost to our way of life.
It's a sad sad day in America that the truth of the 5th ammendment and the constitution itself is even called into question in this way. Thanks to the judge who supported the constitution, unfortunately there are laws shredding it up as we read this news.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955
Welcome to the police state.
Ever heard of Push Polling? That's where people call your house under the guise of conducting a poll and then feeds you information with leading questions designed to shape your opinion on a topic instead of assessing it.
This slashdot article seems to be a mix of push polling and advertisement on slashdot.
Why did the submitter word his "Question" in such an obvious way to make wikipedia come off looking so well?
It used to be Free and open.
Now it has secret overlords and secret mailing lists.
Anyone notice lately less and less pages can be edited?
How long until the same people who puppet the US mainstream media have total control?
Without TOTAL transparency wikipedia is nothing but a half-rotten corpse.
I guess you didn't read my post or any of the information I linked.
If you had you would have realized I am talking about early 1930's Germany for the most part. Germany was a parliamentary democracy, fairly liberal and very similar to the U.S. today. Way before Hitler and before the National Socialist party was anything but an outsider. You could easily have the conversation and compare it to ANY fascist state that used to be a democracy and closed in on itself; Italy in the 20's, Russia in the 30's, East Germany in the 50's etc.
Since you mention the Constitution, there are laws being passed as we speak (already passed this year and proposed right now) that dismantle and subvert the constitution.
But as a matter of fact, there are direct links between Hitler, Hitler's financier and Prescott Bush, our current president's grandfather. Prescott Bush was involved in a coup attempt in the U.S. to overthrow FDR. The attempted coup was financed by the same man who financed Hitler. Congressional hearings at the time have evidence of this.
BBC Reference
Furthermore, the movement within the U.S. government has directly used tactics, imagery, phrases and ideas from fascist Germany in current times and it's directly related to the things that I'm talking about.
I call Bullshit on your pompous invocation of Godwin's law and ask that you at least dig around a bit before responding.
PODCASTof a radio interview the Alex Jones show for further reference.